Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 196292 times)

Jimbo · « **Reply #765 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:18:47 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 15, 2021, 08:12:53 PM

Plucking County pros from obscurity is best left in a bygone era

Errr, is this not exactly how Crawley was selected? It definitely wasn't on weight of runs over time.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #766 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 15, 2021, 08:18:47 PM

Errr, is this not exactly how Crawley was selected? It definitely wasn't on weight of runs over time.

Crawley was selected on the back of 2 or 3 stand out innings watched by England selectors. Like Marcus Trescothick was

So no it isn't

Jimbo · « **Reply #767 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:26:31 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 15, 2021, 08:22:41 PM

Crawley was selected on the back of 2 or 3 stand out innings watched by England selectors. Like Marcus Trescothick was

So no it wasnt

He played a few good innings, while averaging about 35 in FC cricket, played one Lions game and then was straight into the Test squad. Think you're being more than a bit selective about your use of the phrase plucked from obscurity. Before he was in the Test squad that Lions game was his only ever England representative experience apparently.

ppccopener · « **Reply #768 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:31:32 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 15, 2021, 08:22:41 PM

Crawley was selected on the back of 2 or 3 stand out innings watched by England selectors. Like Marcus Trescothick was

So no it isn't

How do you know that is how he was selected?

alba caerulea · « **Reply #769 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:32:17 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 15, 2021, 08:26:31 PM

He played a few good innings, while averaging about 35 in FC cricket, played one Lions game and then was straight into the Test squad. Think you're being more than a bit selective about your use of the phrase plucked from obscurity. Before he was in the Test squad that Lions game was his only ever England representative experience apparently.

I get the sense you get most of your player knowledge from cricinfo.

They obviously believed those innings they saw had the makings of a world class player. And they were right - he scored 250 after a few Tests.

I dont think anyone who makes their debut at 21 can be described as an obscure county pro alongside those other guys you plucked from the stats list having never seen bat

alba caerulea · « **Reply #770 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:36:12 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 15, 2021, 08:31:32 PM

How do you know that is how he was selected?

I bumped into Rob Key and the England cameraman at the Old Dutch Hospital in Colombo in 2018 and they told me Ed Smith had been watching Crawley for the last 12 months. They also told me that he was trying to get Harmer qualified for England but thats another story

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #771 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:45:46 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 15, 2021, 08:12:53 PM

Alot of wannabee national coaches and selectors. When in reality they don't even do it for their own club sides.

If your comment is in return for my mention of Sibleys �technical flaws� it�s A) based on a selection of media pundits who of which have played at the highest level picking up on it. B) having played the game for 20 years and in that time saying I have a fair idea of the basics of batting and C) common sense in that if you play with and angled bat to limit the strike area and also the ability to play the ball back straight which is where there are less fielders.

Don�t let this get in the way of the fact I feel Sibley is a superb opening bat for test cricket and I generally think will have a long and successful test career as he already shown he works very hard at his game and will overcome this

Jimbo · « **Reply #772 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:51:26 PM »

Sibley losing 12kg because he knew he needed to be fitter and quicker was probably the best sign yet that he's got the mentality to be top class. That's a serious effort to shift that weight in a matter of months for a big bloke.

Kulli · « **Reply #773 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:56:46 PM »

Easier to shift it than for a little bloke to be fair.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #774 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:58:55 PM »

Aren't all England players plucked from 'county cricket obscurity' at some point? I can remember seeing a young Joe Root walking around Scarborough in a tracksuit. No-one had a clue who he was.

Jimbo · « **Reply #775 on:** February 15, 2021, 08:59:37 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on February 15, 2021, 08:56:46 PM

Easier to shift it than for a little bloke to be fair.

Little bloke probably doesn't have 12kg to lose 😅 but having seen one of my mates who is a big lad trying to lose serious weight it's bloody hard work with all that extra bulk you've got to shift about. Hard to change up a big person's diet too, takes some real willpower.

ppccopener · « **Reply #776 on:** February 15, 2021, 09:13:19 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on February 15, 2021, 08:59:37 PM

Little bloke probably doesn't have 12kg to lose 😅 but having seen one of my mates who is a big lad trying to lose serious weight it's bloody hard work with all that extra bulk you've got to shift about. Hard to change up a big person's diet too, takes some real willpower.

Sibley said he thought he was fine until he got to the England team and saw the level Stokes and Buttler were at then realised what was needed.

I think myself of the two openers, Sibley looks the worst playing spin, but of the two Sibley has shown he can adapt and put in the work to improve.

He's not the finished article but he's not going to be this early. Losing a significant amount of weight is a damn good sign.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #777 on:** February 15, 2021, 09:22:41 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 15, 2021, 08:58:55 PM

Aren't all England players plucked from 'county cricket obscurity' at some point? I can remember seeing a young Joe Root walking around Scarborough in a tracksuit. No-one had a clue who he was.

Root was tipped to captain England from 12 years old by Michael Vaughan. They played for the same club.

A 30 year old who hasnt been in any Lions/A team squads, is never tipped by the media and has played most of his career with moderate success in Div 2 would be my definition of an obscure national selection.

ppccopener · « **Reply #778 on:** February 15, 2021, 09:35:04 PM »

Quote from: alba caerulea on February 15, 2021, 08:36:12 PM

I bumped into Rob Key and the England cameraman at the Old Dutch Hospital in Colombo in 2018 and they told me Ed Smith had been watching Crawley for the last 12 months. They also told me that he was trying to get Harmer qualified for England but thats another story

Right ok...so he was selected the same way most others are.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #779 on:** February 15, 2021, 09:37:35 PM »

If you say so

He certainly didn't have weight of runs behind him like burns or sibley.

The selectors saw something special and went for it. Seems to have worked so far

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