Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 195510 times)

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #810 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:13:52 AM »

Respect to anyone who got up today. I couldn't be bothered.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #811 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:16:17 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on February 16, 2021, 10:12:22 AM

Wrist spin gets murdered in India

I was talking about county cricket in the 1980s, if you read the post above. Your observation perhaps makes it even more relevant?

jonny77 · « **Reply #812 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:17:19 AM »

I wasnt having a dig at Ali, i think he's always been a valuable player for England and have enjoyed watching him. He's obviously a talented player and at times has proven to be a very good off spinner. However, understandablely we just don't produce the spinners to compare with the very best in the game and never really have.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #813 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:20:11 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on February 16, 2021, 10:16:17 AM

I was talking about county cricket in the 1980s, if you read the post above. Your observation perhaps makes it even more relevant?

Think it�s tough being a wrist spinner in county cricket tbh

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #814 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:22:50 AM »

We don't play our cricket in condtions conducive to the development of spin bowlers, and never have. But day-to-day professional cricket could, and should, be played in more conducive conditions than it currently is.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #815 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:25:10 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on February 16, 2021, 10:20:11 AM

Think it�s tough being a wrist spinner in county cricket tbh

Yes. But at least we have some now. Quite a few, in fact.

Did you read the post?

Real Munson · « **Reply #816 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:34:14 AM »

Seeing how badly England batted on this surface, I can't see anything but a raging bunsen for the next 2 tests - the benefits of day/night for seamers will be totally nullified.

With regards to Moeen asking to go home - I have no issue with that, the only thing I question is when he made this request - if it was before the test started, then why did they play him. They've pissed off Dom Bess for no reason.

ppccopener · « **Reply #817 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:37:33 AM »

Quote from: Real Munson on February 16, 2021, 10:34:14 AM

Seeing how badly England batted on this surface, I can't see anything but a raging bunsen for the next 2 tests - the benefits of day/night for seamers will be totally nullified.

With regards to Moeen asking to go home - I have no issue with that, the only thing I question is when he made this request - if it was before the test started, then why did they play him. They've pissed off Dom Bess for no reason.

I did wonder why myself they said Bess had to go away and get better. It seemed a bit harsh to me. Was like that's it you're not playing on tour again

beaver5 · « **Reply #818 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:43:18 AM »

Mo was due to go home anyway, so a bit odd England saying its all Mo's decision.

The ECB can largely be blamed for our lack of spinners. Somerset fined for producing a turning pitch. Not exactly encouraging counties to invest in spin if that's what you get.

Real Munson · « **Reply #819 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:58:03 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 16, 2021, 10:37:33 AM

I did wonder why myself they said Bess had to go away and get better. It seemed a bit harsh to me. Was like that's it you're not playing on tour again

Root said Bess had to go away and get better, Jetan Patel said yesterday that Bess needed a rest, that's why he wasn't playing. Whatever the reason, the camp should stick to the same story. Whether it was the plan for Ali to go or he's opted to (again different versions of events) I don't think he should have played. What was the point of Butler flying to India for 1 test? Rest players for the whole series if they are managing well-being/workload. It will be interesting to see which of the England IPL brigade opt to leave halfway through the tournament due to bubble fatigue - I bet none do.

SLA · « **Reply #820 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:58:34 AM »

Quote from: jonny77 on February 16, 2021, 09:01:27 AM

We'll always be up against it in these conditions, let's face it. It's not just our batting, but we don't have a world class spinner in our ranks. Stating the obvious but neither Bess, Leach or Ali are on the same ballpark as Ashwin. We just very rarely produce very good spinners. Just look back in previous years and its always been the case really.

Is anyone?

We won a few years ago with Panesar and Swann, didn't we? Leach is at least as good as Panesar. The problem is the lack of a really good offie, and obviously the fact that none of our batsmen can really play spin apart from perhaps Root - although his gameplan didn't work so well this time round.

frontfootdrive2 · « **Reply #821 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:10:53 AM »

Mo will suffer from the impression that he did enough to get a new IPL contract and knows he won`t play red ball cricket again for England...

Don`t really blame him but the whole bubble/isolation angle won`t sit well with the majority of England fans back home going enduring their own private struggles without a tenth of his earnings

Good luck to him

Real Munson · « **Reply #822 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:14:33 AM »

If he can't handle the bubble anymore, then that's totally understandable - he was stuck in isolation in a hotel room in Sri Lanka for 10 days. It will be interesting if he's happy to do 6 weeks of IPL, if contracted.

jonny77 · « **Reply #823 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:23:19 AM »

Quote from: SLA on February 16, 2021, 10:58:34 AM

Is anyone?

We won a few years ago with Panesar and Swann, didn't we? Leach is at least as good as Panesar. The problem is the lack of a really good offie, and obviously the fact that none of our batsmen can really play spin apart from perhaps Root - although his gameplan didn't work so well this time round.

Not sure. My point was that Swann probably was.not sure Leach is as good at this level yet as Panasar was when he was playing with Swann. It's all opinions though. Not blaming any of our bowlers, not like they're not trying to be as good as they can be.

Gurujames · « **Reply #824 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:33:41 AM »

Quote from: beaver5 on February 16, 2021, 10:43:18 AM

The ECB can largely be blamed for our lack of spinners. Somerset fined for producing a turning pitch. Not exactly encouraging counties to invest in spin if that's what you get.

I thinks this is the importance issue. Had a county produced a strip like that in the county championship then everyone would have been complaining.
I also believe there are plenty of people on here who would feel hard done by if they were to turn up to a ground and find the opposition have a similar wicket.

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