Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 195647 times)

SLA · « **Reply #825 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:49:18 AM »

Quote from: Gurujames on February 16, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

I thinks this is the importance issue. Had a county produced a strip like that in the county championship then everyone would have been complaining.
I also believe there are plenty of people on here who would feel hard done by if they were to turn up to a ground and find the opposition have a similar wicket.

Ironically, the thing about playing at a mid-tier club level is that you face pitches like this every August.

six and out · « **Reply #826 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:52:11 AM »

Quote from: Real Munson on February 16, 2021, 10:34:14 AM

Seeing how badly England batted on this surface, I can't see anything but a raging bunsen for the next 2 tests - the benefits of day/night for seamers will be totally nullified.

With regards to Moeen asking to go home - I have no issue with that, the only thing I question is when he made this request - if it was before the test started, then why did they play him. They've pissed off Dom Bess for no reason.

This hits the nail on the head for me.

I have sympathy for Mo with regards bubble life etc... but at what point did it become too much and suddenly change? He's just smashed the ball around and taken 8 wickets in his 1st test for ages.

For me the ECB are making a bit of a mockery of this series. Yes it is right to put players welfare to the forefront but it seems as though to me Morgan holds a lot of power of test selection as well as white ball. By this I mean players are being rotated out of test series vs India (in an Ashes year) to be fresh for a white ball series. That has to be a 1st.

Warneymonster · « **Reply #827 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:59:26 AM »

would be controversial by the ICC but would love to see them replicate the county championship rule with the coin toss. I think we would see a huge change in the pitches worldwide. Would definitely see less green tops in England, NZ etc and day 1 dustbowls in the more spin friendly conditions.

No bias in this opinion, would like to see it across the test cricket platform as i think we would really see the best teams/players rather than those who only dominate in certain conditions

Jimbo · « **Reply #828 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:01:21 PM »

Quote from: SLA on February 16, 2021, 11:49:18 AM

Ironically, the thing about playing at a mid-tier club level is that you face pitches like this every August.

Don't imagine you get many Ashwin/Axar/Kuldeep bowling attacks playing mid tier club cricket though 😅

ppccopener · « **Reply #829 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:11:27 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 16, 2021, 11:52:11 AM

This hits the nail on the head for me.

I have sympathy for Mo with regards bubble life etc... but at what point did it become too much and suddenly change? He's just smashed the ball around and taken 8 wickets in his 1st test for ages.

For me the ECB are making a bit of a mockery of this series. Yes it is right to put players welfare to the forefront but it seems as though to me Morgan holds a lot of power of test selection as well as white ball. By this I mean players are being rotated out of test series vs India (in an Ashes year) to be fresh for a white ball series. That has to be a 1st.

This is tricky isn't it...you're referring to Buttler who is returning to the one day squad after resting for three tests..and Mo would be in the one day team also.

I'm not sure which is the priority but it's 2020 WC coming up in India soon and I would say the line of which format is more important has got closer together.
No doubt Morgan is sitting in the most influential position right now.

Is that wrong I'm wondering..,

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #830 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:25:32 PM »

Quote from: SLA on February 16, 2021, 11:49:18 AM

Ironically, the thing about playing at a mid-tier club level is that you face pitches like this every August.

Professional cricketers barely get to bowl with a red ball in August.

Real Munson · « **Reply #831 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:37:45 PM »

Quote from: Warneymonster on February 16, 2021, 11:59:26 AM

would be controversial by the ICC but would love to see them replicate the county championship rule with the coin toss. I think we would see a huge change in the pitches worldwide. Would definitely see less green tops in England, NZ etc and day 1 dustbowls in the more spin friendly conditions.

No bias in this opinion, would like to see it across the test cricket platform as i think we would really see the best teams/players rather than those who only dominate in certain conditions

The difference with a green seamer in England is that more often they get better once the freshness has gone and flatten out, see off the first session and they are usually good to bat on - they don't progressively seam more as the game progresses and go through the top on day one.

Either way, England batted and bowled crap in the first innings, and deservedly lost. The main thing I took from this was the pace the spinners bowled at - India were far more threatening as the ball turned and spat far quicker than when Leech/Ali bowled.

beaver5 · « **Reply #832 on:** February 16, 2021, 12:58:07 PM »

The rotation system would have been fine had it been, you play the Sri Lanka series or the Indian one. One game on one game off is not helpful to the players getting any rhythm.

thegowerwaft · « **Reply #833 on:** February 16, 2021, 01:24:33 PM »

This just came up on my YouTube recommendations:

https://youtu.be/mgOIyVRrh5M

He's really rather impressive.

SD · « **Reply #834 on:** February 16, 2021, 02:13:05 PM »

Quote from: Warneymonster on February 16, 2021, 11:59:26 AM

would be controversial by the ICC but would love to see them replicate the county championship rule with the coin toss. I think we would see a huge change in the pitches worldwide. Would definitely see less green tops in England, NZ etc and day 1 dustbowls in the more spin friendly conditions.

No bias in this opinion, would like to see it across the test cricket platform as i think we would really see the best teams/players rather than those who only dominate in certain conditions

It is my view that the toss should go to the away team given that the home team control the type of ball and the preparation of the pitch. I am not sure I agree though with the effect it would have on pitch preparation. My view is that it would encourage more green tracks on the first morning of a test.

The worst of test cricket in general is played on pitches that are at their best to bat on from ball 1, then gradually degrade as the match goes on. The very worst of it is played on pitches that offer little at all for bowlers until the later stages of the games. For me, the best pitches are ones that start tricky to bat on with the ball moving around, get better to bat on during day 2 when the moisture comes out of the pitch, then start to deteriorate as the match goes on.

If the away team had the toss, home sides would have to look at pitches that offered something to the bowlers first otherwise they would have to field first every time. That would be a much better balance between bat and ball for me.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #835 on:** February 16, 2021, 02:35:21 PM »

I would like to see a new approach to Test cricket: drop in a new pitch at the start of the second inning and reverse the toss for second inning. That switch in pitch conditions and batting order would be the real "Test" of a team's ability.

ICC could also create a format that follows the 5-day/pitch-toss reversal format. Call it the "Modern Test".

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #836 on:** February 16, 2021, 04:48:13 PM »

Quote from: Gurujames on February 16, 2021, 11:33:41 AM

there are plenty of people on here who would feel hard done by if they were to turn up to a ground and find the opposition have a similar wicket.

Only those who like to biff the ball about without care. Nothing more boring week in week out than rocking up to the same 'road' type surface.. You get 'top marks' on Saturday for a road but it does produce dull cricket. Would much prefer to rock up to different styles of wicket which then favour different batting styles, different bowling styles.. would produce more rounded teams and more skilful teams for sure.

England won the first test on a feather bed, India batted stupidly badly.

second test, wasn't a feather bed but wasn't a minefield either.. England bowled awfully gifting many 4 balls.... England then batted equally badly gifting many wickets away.. Listening to Strauss and the god awful Rainford-brent bang on about 'taking the positive approach'... yeah, that's fine when it's a road... look what happens when it isn't...

All in all.. Preferred the second test to the first as the first was a forgone conclusion once England racked up stupid runs and India failed.. feather bed cricket.. average boosting .. second test was more entertaining and required more skill to compete

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #837 on:** February 16, 2021, 05:27:22 PM »

Nice post. Maybe this is part of a more general dumbing down that says cricket can't be exciting unless sixes are being hit often and far?

Gurujames · « **Reply #838 on:** February 16, 2021, 05:48:57 PM »

I also think it also has something to do with the venues and TV companies wanting the matches to last the full 5 days.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #839 on:** February 16, 2021, 05:53:23 PM »

Quote from: Gurujames on February 16, 2021, 05:48:57 PM

I also think it also has something to do with the venues and TV companies wanting the matches to last the full 5 days.

Most certainly a massive factor ��

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