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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #840 on: February 16, 2021, 06:11:39 PM »

I also think it also has something to do with the venues and TV companies wanting the matches to last the full 5 days.

But more matches are finished in four or less days than ever before?
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« Reply #841 on: February 16, 2021, 06:17:27 PM »

But more matches are finished in four or less days than ever before?

Grounds and boards want 5 days solid as it’s more money. However, without flat roads teams aren’t good enough to do it so games are ending earlier.. meaning venues then would rather it ends in four days as it’ll m losing money for the fifth day.

5 days of a flat lords wicket is worth more than a 3 days slaughter at Trent bridge
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« Reply #842 on: February 16, 2021, 06:17:52 PM »

would be controversial by the ICC but would love to see them replicate the county championship rule with the coin toss. I think we would see a huge change in the pitches worldwide. Would definitely see less green tops in England, NZ etc and day 1 dustbowls in the more spin friendly conditions.

No bias in this opinion, would like to see it across the test cricket platform as i think we would really see the best teams/players rather than those who only dominate in certain conditions

Very Interesting point and I wouldn't mind seeing that trialled for a spell.
Ironically, the thing about playing at a mid-tier club level is that you face pitches like this every August.

The previous groundsman at my club took some ill-informed advice in the Spring of 2019 and sprayed the whole square with glyphosate. By mid June we had a dustbowl. It actually suited us because we had 2 good spinners and 1 brilliant one. We lost one match at home all season. We played one match against the previous seasons champions where 1 wicket fell to seam in the match and our offy took the best figures in the clubs 150 year history. We got the second worst pitch markings from the umpires in the league that year and the groundsman was politely moved along.

As an opening batsman the easiest time to bat was against the new ball. By 10/12 overs when the opposition skipper had realised what was happening with the pitch it was spin from both ends for the duration and the ball was going square, up and down. Very challenging but actually really enjoyable and a very different type of club cricket.


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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #843 on: February 16, 2021, 06:20:12 PM »


All in all.. Preferred the second test to the first as the first was a forgone conclusion once England racked up stupid runs and India failed.. feather bed cricket.. average boosting .. second test was more entertaining and required more skill to compete

Interesting.  For me I preferred the first test, as this second test was done by lunch time day 1, as that was about how long the top lasted for.

I'd love there to be no toss in cricket; just let the Away Team pick what they'd like to do first and then play. Sure, curators and nations may still strive for home advantages but at least you do away with test matches decided on a coin flip.


 
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« Reply #844 on: February 16, 2021, 06:30:25 PM »

Very Interesting point and I wouldn't mind seeing that trialled for a spell.
The previous groundsman at my club took some ill-informed advice in the Spring of 2019 and sprayed the whole square with glyphosate. By mid June we had a dustbowl. It actually suited us because we had 2 good spinners and 1 brilliant one. We lost one match at home all season. We played one match against the previous seasons champions where 1 wicket fell to seam in the match and our offy took the best figures in the clubs 150 year history. We got the second worst pitch markings from the umpires in the league that year and the groundsman was politely moved along.

As an opening batsman the easiest time to bat was against the new ball. By 10/12 overs when the opposition skipper had realised what was happening with the pitch it was spin from both ends for the duration and the ball was going square, up and down. Very challenging but actually really enjoyable and a very different type of club cricket.

Sadly all they want are roads and slug fests. Anything challenging gets boo’d and marked down.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #845 on: February 16, 2021, 06:37:25 PM »

Interesting.  For me I preferred the first test, as this second test was done by lunch time day 1, as that was about how long the top lasted for.

I'd love there to be no toss in cricket; just let the Away Team pick what they'd like to do first and then play. Sure, curators and nations may still strive for home advantages but at least you do away with test matches decided on a coin flip.

First tests was one England have scored 400+.. well, basically it’s a draw unless India do something dumb. They did, at which point it was .. ah, game over then

Both tests produced one sided wins. Which side of the fence you sit on is probably down to nationality or personal preferred format (or simply a ‘we won so who cares woo’ and a ‘we got hammered, we need an excuse as to why’ ) . Those who like slug fests will most likely (not always) like the flatter wickets .. those who like it to challenge a batter, will probably prefer test two. Same with Saturday cricket, those who love to hit will want a road, Those who want a challenge will prefer non roads. Both can produce good games, both can and do produce Boring games where everyone knows the winner a mile away. Question is, which gives teams something to play for even if it’s one sided..(saturdays that is)

Neither wicket is perfect and could be improved but these are the two we had for these two specific games.

Next wicket may favour England but I can’t see England supporters moaning if it does. It’ll be one Jimmy Jimmy’ or ‘broaddddy’ or ‘stokey lad’ blah blah (same with India with ashwin etc)
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #846 on: February 16, 2021, 06:39:37 PM »

This just came up on my YouTube recommendations:

https://youtu.be/mgOIyVRrh5M

He's really rather impressive.

What a master craftsmen. That was fascinating to watch- the amount of practice that he must do to develop these deliveries must be huge.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #847 on: February 16, 2021, 06:49:21 PM »

Don't think this would happen but as well as the away side having the toss the ball used plays a big part in the game.

Instead of Asian sub continent teams using a Dukes ball they are unfamiliar with an SG ball could be used here.
Same with Australia touring here the kook ball.

This would even out when we are in the sub continent where a bigger seam would give a little balance back to the away team
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #848 on: February 16, 2021, 06:57:24 PM »


Neither wicket is perfect and could be improved but these are the two we had for these two specific games.


The wicket should provide equal opportunity to both bat and ball, and the first track just about managed that.  Overall the teams recognised batting units (top 5) scored six 50+ scores and spin was still the winner over seam in that first test match. Yet in the second test, the teams batting units only managed to score three 50+ scores between them and obviously spin won over seam. The second test was more of a slog fest with batsman having to hit out or die at the popping crease like Stokes did.

That second wicket should be saved for short format games, not test matches.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #849 on: February 16, 2021, 06:58:26 PM »

There's a very specific downside to this test being wrapped up in 4 days, in that it's one less day of live cricket on free-to-air UK TV. Folk I work with who have never been interested in cricket have been following along (only from 7/8am onward) and quite enjoying it, imagine there are more than a few people who have either had an interest piqued or rekindled. Shame to lose a day's opportunity for that.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #850 on: February 16, 2021, 07:04:09 PM »

Sadly all they want are roads and slug fests. Anything challenging gets boo’d and marked down.

I actually would prefer a mix.

Greenish, help for the seamers April&May. Good batting tracks June, July, early Aug. Favourable to spin Aug and Sept.

A good Test throughout the club season and a bit of something for everyone.

A club pitch should only be marked down if it's ridiculously favourable to one discipline or dangerous in my opinion. I have no problem playing on a challenging track and rate my best innings as a 60 from about 40 overs on an unprepared minefield. More satisfaction from that than a 70 ball ton i had the previous season on a road.

Not sure what the official criteria is for a Test track to be marked down. Anyone know?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #851 on: February 16, 2021, 07:06:57 PM »

This is a must read regarding Moeen, it looks like he has been completely thrown under the bus. And a really valid point about how Bess must now feel

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #852 on: February 16, 2021, 07:20:52 PM »

This is a must read regarding Moeen, it looks like he has been completely thrown under the bus. And a really valid point about how Bess must now feel

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I think the best spin on this is it's been badly handled, I have read Root has apologised later today directly to Mo.

I don't think myself Moeen will play test cricket again-just the short form
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #853 on: February 16, 2021, 07:22:36 PM »

This is a must read regarding Moeen, it looks like he has been completely thrown under the bus. And a really valid point about how Bess must now feel

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

A good read, thanks

Sounds like poor man-management mainly from Ed Smith. Not for the first time!
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #854 on: February 16, 2021, 07:52:23 PM »

This is a must read regarding Moeen, it looks like he has been completely thrown under the bus. And a really valid point about how Bess must now feel

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/india-v-england-2020-21-spurned-moeen-ali-begins-the-long-kiss-goodnight-after-choosing-to-leave-india-tour-1252037?platform=amp&__twitter_impression=true

I was fairly appalled at Root over this one.  In his position being interviewed after a game, I would have found it difficult to show the diplomacy not to criticise either the pitch or the officiating, neither of which was anywhere near the standard required for international cricket.  To side step those issues only to throw one of your team under a bus beggars belief. 
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