Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 196320 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #855 on:** February 16, 2021, 07:59:08 PM »

Quote from: SD on February 16, 2021, 07:52:23 PM

I was fairly appalled at Root over this one. In his position being interviewed after a game, I would have found it difficult to show the diplomacy not to criticise either the pitch or the officiating, neither of which was anywhere near the standard required for international cricket. To side step those issues only to throw one of your team under a bus beggars belief.

Yeah he's got it wrong. It may be just clumsy language after a defeat. The problem is not just this thou, Moeen has said before when England lose he is often made a scapegoat.

If the article is correct on cricinfo, the intial mistake was Smith asking him to reconsider when a break was scheduled in just like the other players.

And of course Mo does not have a test contract. England have got this wrong.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #856 on:** February 16, 2021, 08:03:52 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on February 16, 2021, 06:57:24 PM

The wicket should provide equal opportunity to both bat and ball, and the first track just about managed that.

First track provided equal opportunity between ball and bat? Only if you mean only batsmen for first 2-3 days and only bowlers for last 2 days - a recipe for toss win test win results/disasters. First test provided only batters opportunity for two days and nothing for the bowlers, so basically a one sided game to whoever bats first while second test showed batsmen and bowlers could do well from day 1 to 3 and thus team batting second also has a chance to win. Ind made ~300 runs in 3rd innings, still strange that criticism is on 2nd pitch while it should have been on the first one. Shows how end result (whether it is is our favor or not) can affect the perception of the pitch..

We need pitches to aid both batsmen and bowlers, I don't think we need to worry about whether it helps both fast bowlers and spinners or just one type as teams are free to select ranging from extremes of 5 fast bowlers or 5 spinners to anything in between after looking at the pitch. This change in conditions across the world is what makes tests exciting and overseas wins more satisfying..

beaver5 · « **Reply #857 on:** February 16, 2021, 08:12:06 PM »

Indian fan: Ashwin 100 runs and 8-100. Second greatest all rounder of all time after Kapil Dev

English fan: Moeen 50 runs and 8-200. Not good enough and should never play for England again.

That out sums it up, and seems to be the same opinion of the England management. Mo deserves far better treatment than this.

Manormanic · « **Reply #858 on:** February 16, 2021, 09:54:29 PM »

Smith asking him to stay on And making public that he said no is just appalling.

beaver5 · « **Reply #859 on:** February 16, 2021, 10:38:22 PM »

This isn't the first time Ed Smith has show he's not fit for his job. His treatment Malan after the Ashes, when he said he wasn't any good other than on fast Aussie pitches. He was never good enough as a player and is out of touch, but went to the right school for the ECB.

golders · « **Reply #860 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:09:00 PM »

Ed Smith is just horrendous and must surely go. What an absolute tool.

ppccopener · « **Reply #861 on:** February 16, 2021, 11:22:36 PM »

Quote from: beaver5 on February 16, 2021, 10:38:22 PM

This isn't the first time Ed Smith has show he's not fit for his job. His treatment Malan after the Ashes, when he said he wasn't any good other than on fast Aussie pitches. He was never good enough as a player and is out of touch, but went to the right school for the ECB.

I remember this well as I don�t think Malan got enough of a chance. The comments at the time from Smith didn�t really make sense as he scores runs here!
There is a running theme a bit going on here.

SD · « **Reply #862 on:** February 17, 2021, 12:41:08 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on February 16, 2021, 07:59:08 PM

Yeah he's got it wrong. It may be just clumsy language after a defeat. The problem is not just this thou, Moeen has said before when England lose he is often made a scapegoat.

If the article is correct on cricinfo, the intial mistake was Smith asking him to reconsider when a break was scheduled in just like the other players.

And of course Mo does not have a test contract. England have got this wrong.

I didn't agree with England investing in Moeen as our front line spinner (back in 2014, I would have gone with Rashid instead), but having gone with him, he seems to be to be the worst treated of the test squad. I can't think of any other player in the modern game who has been asked to bat everywhere from 1 down to 9. He was the one who had to suddenly move up to 3 mid test match when Root decided that he fancied moving back down to 4. He was very quickly dropped from his central contact after a hugely successful year with the ball. From the outside it does sometimes feel that the easy option of dumping on him is taken because he comes across as a genuinely nice guy who is unlikely to react with hostility than other members of the dressing room.

billyb · « **Reply #863 on:** February 17, 2021, 04:41:45 AM »

Ed Smith has got to go. That is disgraceful.

csnew · « **Reply #864 on:** February 17, 2021, 06:03:22 AM »

Horrible comments coming out from Ed Smith.

In fairness to Mo he�s always been the one to blame after losses. I�d imagine if moeen chooses to play the IPL the English media will go at him

edge · « **Reply #865 on:** February 17, 2021, 07:03:33 AM »

Dropping Bess for one test knowing you're going to have to pick him again a week later is also an utter clown move, especially as you can be sure a lorryload of sand is on its way to be dropped on top of the Ahmedabad square after the way this game went.

ppccopener · « **Reply #866 on:** February 17, 2021, 07:25:00 AM »

Quote from: edge on February 17, 2021, 07:03:33 AM

Dropping Bess for one test knowing you're going to have to pick him again a week later is also an utter clown move, especially as you can be sure a lorryload of sand is on its way to be dropped on top of the Ahmedabad square after the way this game went.

Yes.....but they didn't just drop Bess, they said to go away and get better. They could of said....Bess has done well to pick up wickets and is working with Patel on some fine tuning to be back in contention for a place.

But they didn't think they would need to pick him in the next week I don't think.as @SD says, Mo has been the ultimate team man so they presumed because he was back in the team he would forgo the break planned for him.

So instead of saying yes again, Mo says no......stick to the plan for a rest break out of the bubble.

It looks bad, it is bad...

Kulli · « **Reply #867 on:** February 17, 2021, 10:18:52 AM »

Root has come out abs clarified his comments.

https://www.google.no/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/16/moeen-ali-returning-home-as-england-hope-to-recover-from-india-mauling-cricket-second-test

mo_town · « **Reply #868 on:** February 17, 2021, 10:26:35 AM »

I have a feeling Eng will pick Virdi as a far left choice for the next test. About time he got a chance too. If he cannot get picked in a Test in India/Sri Lanka, he should seriously be considering his career choices!

Jimbo · « **Reply #869 on:** February 17, 2021, 10:33:16 AM »

Quote from: mo_town on February 17, 2021, 10:26:35 AM

I have a feeling Eng will pick Virdi as a far left choice for the next test. About time he got a chance too. If he cannot get picked in a Test in India/Sri Lanka, he should seriously be considering his career choices!

Third test is the most likely for them to go with one spinner and Root surely? If so it has to be Leach.

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