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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1080 on: February 24, 2021, 07:58:03 PM »

Woakes has now played 0 out of 5 matches on these Tours. Although the first one he was unavailable for. The other seamers have all played at least 1 match including 80mph Sam Curran.

You have to think England have now (rightly so imo) pigeonholed him as a home only bowler. And was probably only taken on these tours as he has a full central contract.

In any case a like for like isnt the way to go in another daytime Test. If a seamer is left out for the 4th Test it should almost certainly be a spinner brought in. You cant strengthen the tail in India to weaken the bowling - where are the 20 wickets going to come from?

If Bess is still not pickable they need to throw a wildcard in in Parkinson or Virdi. At least give yourself the right set up for the conditions.

This thought had crossed my mind aswell. The PR machine had always backed him until suddenly it didn't. Strange


For the first time(I think) I'm in agreement with you. We need 20 wickets absolutely.....with 112 in this innings we not actually giving them a chance thou, wickets needed, runs thou in India are crucial first innings.
With a bit of umpiring on our side,a catch or two taken we may of got them 5 down. But that's all ifs and buts-we didn't.

The treatment of Bess..the go away and get better stuff....baffles me, I havnt seen England react like that with a dropped player in my memory..perhaps he said something after he was dropped who knows.

Mo would of played this game,second spinner and a chance of some hitting with the bat..he's gone.

I guess that does leave Virdi but if was going to play here he should of played one game in SL-you don't want a debut in a crucial game-this was always the most important tour by miles.

Which leaves us IMO in a bit of a mess. We need seam in this match but we also know after the first game it's going to turn..so 2 spinners and our best seamers-whether Woakes is in there is a matter of opinion,I think he should be.

I saw enough movement in the air this morning to think the seamers would have an impact on the game, yet their spinners cleaned up again....now we are left a spinner short.

The only thing I think we can do to try and get into the game now is short spells from archer,broad,Anderson and Root takes some of the workload from Leach.

But yes,we need 20 wickets as priority with the team. If our bowlers get us out of jail here with anything it will be a minor miracle.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1081 on: February 24, 2021, 08:01:57 PM »

Find it a bit strange that Root hasn't bowled himself given that Axar took England apart with round arm non-spinning deliveries.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1082 on: February 24, 2021, 08:21:01 PM »

Find it a bit strange that Root hasn't bowled himself given that Axar took England apart with round arm non-spinning deliveries.
Think his bowling hand was strapped up after getting bit on the glove
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1083 on: February 24, 2021, 08:27:47 PM »

No point moaning about the umpiring now and umpire call decisions

Selectors got it wrong, England won the toss and had the best of conditions batting during the day.

The seamers weren’t great either under lights. The batsman have had another shocker.

I see the worst case tomorrow, India bowled out after two sessions with a lead of 150. England batting under lights in the final session and 4 down before close
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1084 on: February 24, 2021, 08:37:10 PM »

Think his bowling hand was strapped up after getting bit on the glove

Ah, that would explain it. Fingers crossed he's able to bowl tomorrow.
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1085 on: February 24, 2021, 08:53:31 PM »

Lets face some facts -

Leach is admirable, the rest of our spinners are workmanlike at best

Their spinners are bloody excellent

We don't play spin that well

1 spinner is never enough in India - regardless of the conditions

Stokes is not fully fit to bowl, and a bit of a luxury in Asian conditions

The England selectors / management couldn't organise their sock-drawer and have no grasp of a rotation system

They are afraid to rest Stokes / afraid to trust in Bess

Is Archer the real deal outside of Sussex / IPL

Would India prepare a pitch in any circumstance that wouldn't turn?

A sensible side in these conditions would've been:

Sibley
Crawley
Root
Woakes
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Bess
Leach
Stone
Anderson


 

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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1086 on: February 24, 2021, 09:03:37 PM »

Woakes at 4 @FattusCattus ?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1087 on: February 24, 2021, 09:22:17 PM »

I quite like that side. Pope would need to move up, stokes 5
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1088 on: February 24, 2021, 09:37:12 PM »

Woakes at 4 @FattusCattus ?

Admittedly it's a bit weird, and 4-5-6 are interchangeable, but someone had to get their ballbag put, and why not Woakes?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1089 on: February 24, 2021, 09:38:52 PM »

Pope at 4, Foakes up to 6, Woakes 7?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1090 on: February 24, 2021, 09:49:29 PM »

If we're doing fantasy cricket I'll have Thorpe back in his whites at 5 and Swann down out of the box to bowl in tandem with Leach.

And Taufel and Dickie Bird umpiring
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1091 on: February 24, 2021, 10:14:43 PM »

Bucknor surely!
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1092 on: February 24, 2021, 10:23:24 PM »

If they can't get away with home umpires during pandemic for whatever reason, just get rid of umpires call. Matter solved. Neutral or home umpires, I feel umpires call has to go away, if DRS says touched the stumps, dont care even it is 1%, then out. It is same for both teams. Even Sachin was advocating for this. When will ICC wake up..
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1093 on: February 24, 2021, 10:25:29 PM »

Isn't the point of umpire's call to allow for the error rate the ball tracking technology has?
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Re: ENG vs IND series
« Reply #1094 on: February 24, 2021, 10:33:30 PM »

Isn't the point of umpire's call to allow for the error rate the ball tracking technology has?
Yes, that's what they say to have it but the reasoning seems absurd to me as it assumes umpires have zero error rate. And it is contradictory as DRS is in place to fix umpiring howlers (means error rate of umpires is acknowledged to be much higher)
Having known error rate consistent for both teams is better than having unknown error rate of umpires that varies across teams, time of day, varying concentration of umpire etc.
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