Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 170247 times)

jayralh · « **Reply #1275 on:** February 25, 2021, 10:49:18 PM »

So in previous match wicket was same India won because they batted first.
This match same or worse wicket. Eng batted first still India wins.

Yeah let's blame wicket.

shadowlight · « **Reply #1276 on:** February 25, 2021, 10:56:09 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 25, 2021, 02:38:26 PM

My team for the 4th Test -

Sibley
Crawley
Bairstow
Root
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Lawrence
Bracey
Bess/Virdi/Parkinson
Leach

If the pitch is going to be like the last 2 then there is no need for a seamer apart from Stokes and the more batting the better!

I do not know enough about Lawrence and Bracey bowl on regular basis but I think you might be one or two bowler short. Trying to strengthen the batting and asking Root to bowl more impact have more of a negative impact than adding another spinner.

shadowlight · « **Reply #1277 on:** February 25, 2021, 11:00:46 PM »

Quote from: six and out on February 25, 2021, 06:08:41 PM

The point was more it's a side of 9 batters and 2 spinners. I couldn't think of any other batter in the squad to replace him to be honest

I am most likely opening a can of worms here but wish England had Denly in the squad to get some bowling out of him and close batting average to other folks in the current test squad.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #1278 on:** February 25, 2021, 11:16:13 PM »

Quote from: jayralh on February 25, 2021, 10:49:18 PM

So in previous match wicket was same India won because they batted first.
This match same or worse wicket. Eng batted first still India wins.

Yeah let's blame wicket.

Typical blinkered response.

India were better than England, England were abysmal. But you are kidding yourself if you�re saying that pitch was acceptable. End of story.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1279 on:** February 25, 2021, 11:24:59 PM »

Quote from: jayralh on February 25, 2021, 10:49:18 PM

So in previous match wicket was same India won because they batted first.
This match same or worse wicket. Eng batted first still India wins.

Yeah let's blame wicket.

This pitch was so bad it didn't matter who batted first or second, India collapsed first innings same as we did.

Root has not blamed the pitch, and credit on him for not doing so as it looks like sour grapes.

This test is the earliest end to a completed match since 1935, before that the next earliest was 1890.

This was a bad pitch, India probably would of won on normal one but this was far worse than the second test.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #1280 on:** February 25, 2021, 11:38:51 PM »

Time to have ICC oversight and certification of all Test pitches before the match starts.

If this continues, Test cricket will be back to under-arm bowling.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #1281 on:** February 26, 2021, 08:54:14 AM »

Quote from: Mtown Don on February 25, 2021, 10:20:02 PM

No they don�t.

Not having this. Any pitch that gets into a 4th day and leaves a result possible at the end of day 5 is good in my opinion. Beyond your tedious �biffers� agenda, I�m not actually sure what you want to see out of a Test match?!

He just likes to moan!

I thought it was a good track aswell. Im still not sure what the criteria and scale of performance is for a Test match pitch but I feel they should be good to bat on for at least 50% of the match. Asia generally its the first 2 days. England and NZ generally days 2/3/4. Australian pitches often get flatter as they go for seamers but spin more so all bowlers have a sniff in the game if they are any good.

Balance is all thats needed. Joe Root taking taking 5-8 says it all. Michael Clarke took 6-10 or something in india a decade ago, albeit not on Day 2. Those sorts of pitches cannot be right. That would be akin to Ian Bell claiming a 5-fer on a green top with his mediums. Not good for players or spectators really other than die hard India fans

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1282 on:** February 26, 2021, 09:39:42 AM »

I'm thinking the series win has gone. The most likely set-up for the last test is a featherbed or raging bunsen.

We know what several England players can or can't do - Burns / Bairstow / Broad etc show us nothing new. Stokes' bowling seems pretty pointless over there and they seem to be limiting how much he bowls so he's a batter only - I can't see that we need any more than 2 seamers for the last test, so let's rest a couple of the old warhorses and give some youngsters as chance to shine, to do something brilliant and uninhibited.

I say pick:

Sibley
Crawley
Root
Lawrence
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
Woakes
Leach
Stone
Bess / Virdi / Crane - whomever is bowling best in nets.

Decent batting down to 8, 2.5 seamers and 3.5 spinners

That lineup can't do any worse surely?

mo_town · « **Reply #1283 on:** February 26, 2021, 09:59:29 AM »

For everyone calling it a poor wicket, I would really like to know the reason they think that. Agreed the test match was wrapped up in 2 days but, if you look at all the dismissals in the test match 90% of those dismissals were either due to lack of footwork or poor shots. The players were just not able to handle the way the ball was skidding off the pitch. It wasnt turning square. It was more a case of accurate spin bowling hurrying the batsmen. I would put that down to some brilliant accurate bowling and batsmen failing to adapt.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #1284 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:04:40 AM »

Quote from: mo_town on February 26, 2021, 09:59:29 AM

For everyone calling it a poor wicket, I would really like to know the reason they think that. Agreed the test match was wrapped up in 2 days but, if you look at all the dismissals in the test match 90% of those dismissals were either due to lack of footwork or poor shots. The players were just not able to handle the way the ball was skidding off the pitch. It wasnt turning square. It was more a case of accurate spin bowling hurrying the batsmen. I would put that down to some brilliant accurate bowling and batsmen failing to adapt.

Joe root took 5-8 turning it miles.

The problem was that one would turn square - this pitch has more then than Chennai on the final day - and then the very next ball with an identical delivery would skid on.

That�s nothing to do with brilliant bowling, that�s to do with bowling at the stumps and letting the pitch do the work.

India were very good, Axar particularly, England were abysmal. But the pitch was utter poo as well.

Kez · « **Reply #1285 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:23:18 AM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on February 25, 2021, 11:38:51 PM

Time to have ICC oversight and certification of all Test pitches before the match starts.

If this continues, Test cricket will be back to under-arm bowling.

The match referee and umpires do check the pitch before the games...
Was covering a ODI at Pune and had to wait for the officials to be happy with the wicket before the groundsman would mark it up. He had three pitches ready to choose from.
He then got caught on camera talking about how the pitch was a road and would be 330+ wicket.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/41753622

Quote from: mo_town on February 26, 2021, 09:59:29 AM

For everyone calling it a poor wicket, I would really like to know the reason they think that. Agreed the test match was wrapped up in 2 days but, if you look at all the dismissals in the test match 90% of those dismissals were either due to lack of footwork or poor shots. The players were just not able to handle the way the ball was skidding off the pitch. It wasnt turning square. It was more a case of accurate spin bowling hurrying the batsmen. I would put that down to some brilliant accurate bowling and batsmen failing to adapt.

30 wickets inside 2 days... Just because the wickets fell to straight balls is irrelevant. It doesn't have to turn square to be a poor pitch. Every ball was going through the top.
I just don't understand how a batsman could have scored runs on that pitch. Unless it was against seam, Crawley and Rohit showed that was possible. Of course there were some poor shots in there but I think a few of them were purely down to the batsman not sure how to score a run.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1286 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:23:44 AM »

Quote from: Mtown Don on February 25, 2021, 10:20:02 PM

No they don�t.

Not having this. Any pitch that gets into a 4th day and leaves a result possible at the end of day 5 is good in my opinion. Beyond your tedious �biffers� agenda, I�m not actually sure what you want to see out of a Test match?!

A result was only possible as India batted so spectacularly badly first innings (usually it's 500 plays 500 remember in India). It had bore draw written all over it otherwise.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1287 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:25:00 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on February 25, 2021, 09:27:31 PM

What�s really frustrating is that there�s no improvement from England.

Our openers are still not very good, our middle order still isn�t very good, our bowlers are still exceptional and continue to dig us out of a hole created by our batsman.

It�s just utter utter bilge in both selection, and play.

We persist with people like bairstow - who today in my opinion has nailed shut, poured petrol on, and set fire to the coffin that carries his career - yet he�s played 50 tests and averages 34.

Why aren�t we blooding youngsters like bracey/brook/hain etc rather than persisting with something that doesn�t work.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. England epitomise that.

The man management of Bess (who at the moment isn�t ready - but is clearly one for the future) just shows that England management haven�t got a clue.

wow.. finally.. someone talking sense

irrepressible · « **Reply #1288 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:45:11 AM »

It will be interesting to see how the pitch plays next Test with a red ball. One thing that may have caused a lot of the dismissals is the extra lacquer on the pink ball causing it to skid on a lot quicker than the batsmen were expecting which may have played a part.

mo_town · « **Reply #1289 on:** February 26, 2021, 10:48:45 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on February 26, 2021, 10:04:40 AM

Joe root took 5-8 turning it miles.

The problem was that one would turn square - this pitch has more then than Chennai on the final day - and then the very next ball with an identical delivery would skid on.

That�s nothing to do with brilliant bowling, that�s to do with bowling at the stumps and letting the pitch do the work.

India were very good, Axar particularly, England were abysmal. But the pitch was utter poo as well.

Root wasnt turning it miles. The only good delivery he bowled was the one to Washington Sundar. Rest were balls that went straight thru or were poor shots from lower order batsmen.

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