Topic: ENG vs IND series (Read 170264 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1680 on:** March 08, 2021, 08:12:41 PM »

Quote from: edge on March 08, 2021, 04:00:42 PM

Without rotation players like Buttler/Moeen/YJB/Woakes etc would have gone out to Sri Lanka in the first week of January and stayed stuck staring at hotel walls without seeing their family or friends or doing anything except training/playing until early May. Sounds like a surefire recipe for a breakdown, and you can guarantee anyone put through it would be playing shocking cricket by the end of it. That said, trying to rotate players in and out of the squad/team midway through a series was a disaster, not helped by some of the lousy selection through this series.

On the IPL - they're gonna play it, fine. But if England players get rested from international games or even miss international games for the IPL, what is the point in central contracts?

Well, out of them only Woakes was really a test player. The rest could and probably should have just been kept for white ball. Buttler is replaced by Foakes for tests, with Moeen and YJB dropped and easily replaced (Bairstow especially).

The likes of Stokes/Root who you can say should play both formats can simply rest from the white ball side. There are plenty of replacements for them in white ball.. ZERO replacements for them in red ball. IPL Wise.. quite simple.. you are paid to play tests, so you are expected to play them. The likes of Curran .. meh, let them go. No loss to the test side

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1681 on:** March 08, 2021, 08:15:07 PM »

Quote from: billyb on March 08, 2021, 06:00:31 PM

I'm not sure the patriotic world you describe really exists in the pandemic. It is of course an honour to play for your country, but they are not soldiers. They are young men being paid to hit a leather ball with a stick of wood while a pandemic rages around the world. I think we're lucky to have had any cricket at all! I would be mentally shot after a very short period in the bubble, I have no doubt. You cannot penalize players for their mental health.

We're also building up to the T20 World Cup, so they may be more lenient on the IPL this year.

Paid way more than said soldiers btw... one is expected to have a few restrictions on their life but still get to play sport.. the other.. die

England have won a T20 so meh.. Doesn't really mean anything

edge · « **Reply #1682 on:** March 09, 2021, 10:51:57 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on March 08, 2021, 08:12:41 PM

Well, out of them only Woakes was really a test player. The rest could and probably should have just been kept for white ball. Buttler is replaced by Foakes for tests, with Moeen and YJB dropped and easily replaced (Bairstow especially).

The likes of Stokes/Root who you can say should play both formats can simply rest from the white ball side. There are plenty of replacements for them in white ball.. ZERO replacements for them in red ball. IPL Wise.. quite simple.. you are paid to play tests, so you are expected to play them. The likes of Curran .. meh, let them go. No loss to the test side

It's a tour, particularly with coronavirus restrictions a lot of players who aren't first choice test selections are going to be involved. You drop everyone who plays white ball out of test reckoning and the test reserves suddenly look pretty thin.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1683 on:** March 09, 2021, 12:28:29 PM »

I don't know how to post the links but there are a couple of interesting articles on the Guardians webpage, one on the rotation of Curran which....well doesn't seem to have worked as intended even if he was not in the final 11. One on Bairstow and how he has been shoved into different roles with England(he doesn't get in my best 11 for tests personally).

But also mentioned in the influence of Jos Buttler to Root and the senior role he plays being missed for the most important part of the tour.

I've said many times I think Jos has improved a lot in test matches and was the vice captain up till recently. Whether he can actually fit into the same team as Foakes I guess is unlikely come the summer.

No doubt in my mind a space could be made for him as a batsman.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1684 on:** March 09, 2021, 03:17:50 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on March 09, 2021, 12:28:29 PM

I don't know how to post the links but there are a couple of interesting articles on the Guardians webpage, one on the rotation of Curran which....well doesn't seem to have worked as intended even if he was not in the final 11. One on Bairstow and how he has been shoved into different roles with England(he doesn't get in my best 11 for tests personally).

But also mentioned in the influence of Jos Buttler to Root and the senior role he plays being missed for the most important part of the tour.

I've said many times I think Jos has improved a lot in test matches and was the vice captain up till recently. Whether he can actually fit into the same team as Foakes I guess is unlikely come the summer.

No doubt in my mind a space could be made for him as a batsman.

Interesting article, not likely to go down well with the Army of YJB haters on here, I have to say. It is interesting in light of some of the arguments it contained to see how many people trump Buttler's improvement - to a a standard below the one Bairstow was at before going back into the eye of Smith's changes - and argue it is grounds for him to be in the side. In reality, I reckon right this moment neither make the best XI for the start of the English season.

Jimbo · « **Reply #1685 on:** March 09, 2021, 03:40:22 PM »

Army of Bairstow haters 😂 plenty don't want him in the Test team but I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting he isn't a key white ball player.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #1686 on:** March 09, 2021, 04:02:34 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on March 09, 2021, 03:40:22 PM

Army of Bairstow haters 😂 plenty don't want him in the Test team but I don't think I've seen anyone suggesting he isn't a key white ball player.

tbf, Bairstow before he decided to be a white ball player was looking better and better. Then he decided to become one the best white ball players in the game. No disgrace in that, plenty fo money to be made from being a white ball specialist. However, sadly... except for a few exceptions people just can't do both.

He is one of the best players in white ball England have, without question. Just shouldn't be anywhere near the Test squad

Jimbo · « **Reply #1687 on:** March 09, 2021, 04:17:08 PM »

Bairstow had one brilliant year where he averaged almost 60. Other than that year he's never averaged 35 in a calendar year in Test cricket, I'm not sure that "better and better" quite rings tru.

That said, I'd rate him as one of the most complete and destructive England white ball batsmen ever, right up there with Pietersen and Buttler. Have yet to see a challenge in white ball cricket he hasn't risen to.

csnew · « **Reply #1688 on:** March 12, 2021, 12:34:10 PM »

Glad this series is back on sky

No one more boring than cook and strauss

rickjames · « **Reply #1689 on:** March 12, 2021, 12:41:46 PM »

It's nice to have the production on show again

You look at that top order of Roy/Buttler/Bairstow/Malan/Morgan/Stokes they really should be scoring 800 every game

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1690 on:** March 12, 2021, 12:59:35 PM »

is this on the radio - ie TalkSport2?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #1691 on:** March 12, 2021, 01:05:34 PM »

Yikes. Look at how many people are in that stadium! Reminds me of a Donald Trump rally.

rickjames · « **Reply #1692 on:** March 12, 2021, 01:06:35 PM »

That XI is elite, sheesh

csnew · « **Reply #1693 on:** March 12, 2021, 01:41:55 PM »

Someone�s had their sharpie pen out

rickjames · « **Reply #1694 on:** March 12, 2021, 02:01:44 PM »

This is brilliant

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