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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #60 on: April 14, 2021, 11:04:51 AM »

Only people who are angry about new format are the purists. They will be happy when ECB invents a time machine so  they can travel back in time and oil bats for WG Grace.

Here's my view, I think the format is daft.
However I am upset that this has been railroaded through at the expense of the Blast, a very successful and profitable tournament, at the expense of the 50 over competition, just after we became world champions and at the expense of the county championship at a time when it is more popular than ever.

Test cricket bankrolls English cricket. We need a successful team to support that. As a result putting the 4 day games in April and September is utterly insane. There is no chance of us having a successful team long term with this, plus it will ruin squares.
The other thing that upsets me about this is that the ECB has blown the entire capital reserves on a massive gamble, driven by marketing and unpublished market research.

This is appalling.

Plus as said above it is alienating the majority of cricket fans.
It will take me longer to get to a match than a match will last, and my wife and kids are notionally the tarket market for this. Travel will cost them over £100.
It is just daft.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #61 on: April 14, 2021, 11:44:08 AM »

The fact that there is this much discussion about it already can only be a good thing. Cricket is being spoken about. People will be watching the hundred regardless of whether they agree with it or not. It's cricket at the end of the day, we're all cricket fans, we like to watch cricket.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #62 on: April 14, 2021, 11:44:24 AM »

Here's my view, I think the format is daft.
However I am upset that this has been railroaded through at the expense of the Blast, a very successful and profitable tournament, at the expense of the 50 over competition, just after we became world champions and at the expense of the county championship at a time when it is more popular than ever.

Test cricket bankrolls English cricket. We need a successful team to support that. As a result putting the 4 day games in April and September is utterly insane. There is no chance of us having a successful team long term with this, plus it will ruin squares.
The other thing that upsets me about this is that the ECB has blown the entire capital reserves on a massive gamble, driven by marketing and unpublished market research.

This is appalling.

Plus as said above it is alienating the majority of cricket fans.
It will take me longer to get to a match than a match will last, and my wife and kids are notionally the tarket market for this. Travel will cost them over £100.
It is just daft.




I'm not even a traditionalist - I don't particularly watch county cricket and have always lobbied for new ideas to adopted. But these ideas are just BAD. Everything about the 100 is just like a list of the dumbest ideas someone could come up with. I'm constantly amazed at how little the ECB seem to know about what makes sports leagues prosperous and successful.

Imagine if the MLB did this?

Reduce the number of venues - scrap half the teams, leaving millions of people without a team to support

Shorten the game in the most inefficient way possible - Replace a 9-inning game with an 8-inning game in order to save 10 minutes, but then add in extra advert breaks to use up all that extra time!

Mess with the rules for no apparent reason - odd numbered innings you only need 2 outs to retire the side

Destroy years of history and tradition - Abolish the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox and replace with the East River Nobodies and Massachusetts Tea Parties and then mix all the players up.

Arbitrarily change a bunch of the terminology - strikes are now "in-zones", balls are now "out-zones". Confusingly, the strike zone is still called the strike zone.

Waste your entire financial reserves - undermine a profitable tournament with one that you yourselves forecast is going to lose money

Burn all your goodwill - your existing fans should be your sports greatest ambassadors. Piss them off at your peril.











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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #63 on: April 14, 2021, 12:08:06 PM »

And then Covid comes along and makes the burning of the financial reserves look even more foolish.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #64 on: April 14, 2021, 12:19:03 PM »

The fact that there is this much discussion about it already can only be a good thing. Cricket is being spoken about. People will be watching the hundred regardless of whether they agree with it or not. It's cricket at the end of the day, we're all cricket fans, we like to watch cricket.


umm.. are you reading the same pages and social media as us?? literally no one is talking about it in a way that isn't 'what a bad idea' and 'I won't be watching or go to a game'...

sure, there is a saying that all publicity is good publicity but as Buzz said.. if these new kids and mums are the targets and they won't afford the time or expense to travel.. who exactly is going to watch it??

it's not really cricket is it... no real skill in it over than 'who can hit the ball harder most often'
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #65 on: April 14, 2021, 03:44:53 PM »


umm.. are you reading the same pages and social media as us?? literally no one is talking about it in a way that isn't 'what a bad idea' and 'I won't be watching or go to a game'...

sure, there is a saying that all publicity is good publicity but as Buzz said.. if these new kids and mums are the targets and they won't afford the time or expense to travel.. who exactly is going to watch it??

it's not really cricket is it... no real skill in it over than 'who can hit the ball harder most often'

Pretty certain people were saying that when T20 was introduced. Remember how it was going to be the death of spin bowling?

Did we need a completely new format? Probably not and probably not at this level of expense but I for one will watch it where I can and as much as many might be too proud to admit it, I am certain I'm not the only one. Might even buy the Trent Rockets kit, don't live anywhere near Nottingham but I do love a pack of skips.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #66 on: April 14, 2021, 03:50:24 PM »


umm.. are you reading the same pages and social media as us?? literally no one is talking about it in a way that isn't 'what a bad idea' and 'I won't be watching or go to a game'...

sure, there is a saying that all publicity is good publicity but as Buzz said.. if these new kids and mums are the targets and they won't afford the time or expense to travel.. who exactly is going to watch it??

it's not really cricket is it... no real skill in it over than 'who can hit the ball harder most often'

There is plenty of people talking about it in a positive way between all the negativity. Yeah sure the negative comments on social media outway the positive comments.

Of course it is still cricket. Is T20 cricket? Yes. Is kwik cricket, cricket? Yes. Is test cricket, cricket? Yes.
I would hazard a guess that most people on here will end up watching some games on TV, live or both. Because guess what... its cricket.

I don't agree with all the changes and think it is daft trying to add another format into the season. But I will watch some of it I have no doubt about that.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #67 on: April 14, 2021, 04:26:29 PM »

Seems the hundred is to target the US market.
Which is just bonkers.

Right. This is the market where lot of franchises are headed next. In 2020, there was a franchise minor-league tourney. CPL wants to expand in the US and so does BCCI/IPL.

A new format that jazzes things up for a new market isn't a bad thing. If it takes off, it will be great for cricket "classic". :D Coke. Pepsi.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #68 on: April 14, 2021, 04:30:06 PM »

Plus as said above it is alienating the majority of cricket fans.

What happened to these fans when T20I and franchise cricket took over the airwaves or social-media waves.

I still follow Test cricket. I watch when I can.

I don't disagree with rest of your points but change is needed to attract/grow new markets. When IPL dominates a format, it is a pretty savvy strategy to try something different. I give ECB credit because they are trying something new despite criticism.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #69 on: April 14, 2021, 04:33:56 PM »

Imagine if the MLB did this?

They are highly profitable sporting franchises so the comparison is incorrect. They are minting money!

You don't know what they'd do if they were losing money or desperately competing against another franchise sport. Having said that, it has been very hard for them to get new teams from different countries - except maybe Canada.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #70 on: April 14, 2021, 05:03:31 PM »

Remember how it was going to be the death of spin bowling?

You could make a decent argument that it has been.
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #71 on: April 14, 2021, 05:44:26 PM »

Pretty certain people were saying that when T20 was introduced. Remember how it was going to be the death of spin bowling?

Did we need a completely new format? Probably not and probably not at this level of expense but I for one will watch it where I can and as much as many might be too proud to admit it, I am certain I'm not the only one. Might even buy the Trent Rockets kit, don't live anywhere near Nottingham but I do love a pack of skips.

Spin bowling in t20 is totally different to a red ball game.
Where are the attacking spinners now in tests that can build pressure? They aren't there, they are all going at 7 plus an over in t20 leagues chucking in their "variations"
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #72 on: April 14, 2021, 05:52:53 PM »

Remember how it was going to be the death of spin bowling?




umm, are you counting fire in in bowling as spin?????
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2021, 07:06:19 PM »

Spin bowling in t20 is totally different to a red ball game.
Where are the attacking spinners now in tests that can build pressure?

Or even the spinners who can land six consecutive balls on roughly the same part of the pitch?
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Re: Breaking News: ECB to dumb down cricket even further...
« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2021, 07:42:12 PM »

Spin bowling in t20 is totally different to a red ball game.
Where are the attacking spinners now in tests that can build pressure? They aren't there, they are all going at 7 plus an over in t20 leagues chucking in their "variations"

Exclude Warne and Murali as they are a class above anything that came before them, or anything that will ever follow them, and has there ever been this plethora of attacking spinners that could build pressure you seem to be suggesting there was? But certainly off the top of my head I can think of Lyon, Jadeja and Ashwin. The latter combines building pressure with lots of variations making him a real attacking threat.

Particularly in this country it's easy to think back to Swann and forget that prior to his emergence we never really had a spinner that could both attack and build pressure. For years we stuck with the likes of Tufnell, Giles and even to an extent Panesar who could all hold up an end but were never particularly attacking options. They were there to give the quick bowlers a rest.
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