Topic: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches (Read 38183 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #105 on:** June 06, 2021, 06:26:43 AM »

Burns knows how to score runs, he did a long stint of consistency for Surrey before he got picked perhaps because he has an individual technique that maybe England did not fancy.

Sibley in just the one innings was a bit unlucky in my view, we saw Latham survive and LBW that DRS showed was hitting the bails so it's a fine line these players play too these days.

Pope is one for me I'm a bit concerned about, massive talent at his age and every shot in the book. He's firmly in the middle order which at least in England has proved an easier place to bat.

He seems to struggle to impose himself early on and that's when your most vulnerable. I don't think I've seen a more talented young player in recent years but bowlers maybe know how to bowl at him now. Maybe he just needs one decent score and he will get momentum.

Thorpe and Trescothick are around the England side and I hope some of what they had can influence Pope.

billyb · « **Reply #106 on:** June 06, 2021, 06:57:37 AM »

Malan can't be far away from the team on current form.

ppccopener · « **Reply #107 on:** June 06, 2021, 07:36:32 AM »

Quote from: billyb on June 06, 2021, 06:57:37 AM

Malan can't be far away from the team on current form.

He didn't get enough time first time round. Labelled a back foot player and a horses for courses player by ED Genius.

That didn't make any sense.

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #108 on:** June 06, 2021, 08:00:54 AM »

199 for Yorkshire yesterday can't have harmed his chances

Manormanic · « **Reply #109 on:** June 06, 2021, 10:42:15 AM »

Quote from: alexhilly1492 on June 05, 2021, 03:25:25 PM

Anyone still dropping burns?

I think everyone who could drop him did drop him!

Seriously, he showed more gumption than the youth in the middle order (and Crawley too for that matter) but he does need to push on and become more consistent rather than having one of these every ten tests to just squeak in.

Manormanic · « **Reply #110 on:** June 06, 2021, 10:44:57 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on June 06, 2021, 07:36:32 AM

He didn't get enough time first time round. Labelled a back foot player and a horses for courses player by ED Genius.

That didn't make any sense.

Back foot player, maybe - though that equally applies to most of the current set up, Pope apart. As you say, Smith decided and was not for changing.

As for whether he will come back, I think the slight issue is whether he will get to play enough first class cricket to get a run of scores together.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #111 on:** June 06, 2021, 11:06:58 AM »

Malan needs to be in the test side. Ed Genius Smith is, and always will be, a know-it-all buffoon.

Crawley needs to work on his game. Malan at 3 until ZC knuckles down stops playing the wafty outside off stump rubbish. I think the 260 he made last year has done more harm than good to him.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #112 on:** June 06, 2021, 11:28:40 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on June 06, 2021, 10:42:15 AM

I think everyone who could drop him did drop him!

Seriously, he showed more gumption than the youth in the middle order (and Crawley too for that matter) but he does need to push on and become more consistent rather than having one of these every ten tests to just squeak in.

Perhaps another thread, but when did no.3 stop being part of the middle-order?

Jimbo · « **Reply #113 on:** June 06, 2021, 12:21:13 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 06, 2021, 11:28:40 AM

Perhaps another thread, but when did no.3 stop being part of the middle-order?

I would always have said 3 was a top order batting slot.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #114 on:** June 06, 2021, 12:26:22 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on June 05, 2021, 10:48:50 PM

Agree he is the safest of the ones being talked about as potentially not being good enough. Sibley and Crawley however are in need of runs and some form. Crawleys dismissal along with Lawrence in this test have been awful but Sibley just looks to me to be getting worse. Let�s hope they find some form in the next test and possible our 2nd innings depending what New Zealand choose to do tomorrow, which I guess will be okay sensibly for the first half hour and then look to go hard until lunch and then give them selves two sessions to try and bowl is out again.

Looks like I called this spot on, big few hours for Sibley and Crawley I feel.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #115 on:** June 06, 2021, 12:28:55 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on June 06, 2021, 11:06:58 AM

Malan needs to be in the test side. Ed Genius Smith is, and always will be, a know-it-all buffoon.

Crawley needs to work on his game. Malan at 3 until ZC knuckles down stops playing the wafty outside off stump rubbish. I think the 260 he made last year has done more harm than good to him.

I would actually open with Crawley and drop Sibley but that could be my Kent hat on. Crawley is more attacking (when as you say not wafting outside off) and compliments Burns more than Sibley does.

This is of course if they continue with poor form

rickjames · « **Reply #116 on:** June 06, 2021, 12:39:06 PM »

Obviously not chasing this and I'd say the draw is the likely outcome, but fair play for them having a crack

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #117 on:** June 06, 2021, 01:40:45 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on June 06, 2021, 07:36:32 AM

Labelled a back foot player and a horses for courses player by ED Genius.

How does one get labelled as back foot player or a front foot player? As far as I know, Malan plays the drives (front foot) as well as the cuts ands pulls (back foot) equally well, so trying to understand how this came about. I have seen Steve smith driving off the back foot mostly, so can understand if he is labelled as back foot player mainly, but not sure about Malan.

Manormanic · « **Reply #118 on:** June 06, 2021, 02:07:12 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 06, 2021, 11:28:40 AM

Perhaps another thread, but when did no.3 stop being part of the middle-order?

When did it start being part of the middle order? I've always thought 1-3 or perhaps 1-4 is the top order, then 4 or 5 to 8 is the middle order.

Manormanic · « **Reply #119 on:** June 06, 2021, 02:11:34 PM »

Quote from: adb club cricketer on June 06, 2021, 01:40:45 PM

How does one get labelled as back foot player or a front foot player? As far as I know, Malan plays the drives (front foot) as well as the cuts ands pulls (back foot) equally well, so trying to understand how this came about. I have seen Steve smith driving off the back foot mostly, so can understand if he is labelled as back foot player mainly, but not sure about Malan.

The best description I have heard of this is the one Bob Woolmer offered, which centred on whether a player preferred to defend a length ball and work to leg off their front foot or with their weight back, by which standard Malan is not. It is more commonly used in the media to analyse a players scoring areas - so Cook, Gary Ballance and Malan, who are strong cutters and pullers of the ball, are all given that label, despite defending predominantly weight forward, whereas Joe Root, who sits back behind the crease, is not.

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