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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #315 on: June 12, 2021, 09:11:03 PM »

Bairstow’s played 60/70 Tests and he’s been found out along time ago. No need to go back to him.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #316 on: June 12, 2021, 09:34:14 PM »

It does of course that footballer is up and awake thankfully just reported on BBC.

It doesn't excuse England thou, the question is where from here? Stick or twist with new players....batsmen anyway, do we have anyone better.

Before the series started the management spoke about gearing for the ashes, preparation for the ashes...

We must must must somehow STOP this inane rubbish, New Zealand and India await, if we don't get good results at home is unrealistic to expect we turn up and turn over Aussies our in their own backyard-it won't happen.

Off the top of my head this is what I think

Bracey.  Looks frightened. Not the first he won't be the last but he can't be in the team or near it.

Burns. Stick. He gets runs.
Sibley. Stick. More time needed and no obvious replacement. Hameed needs a good season behind him.
Crawley...reluctantly twist, time out away and back to County.
Pope...hmmmm. Tricky. Massive potential, not enough runs. Stick for a bit longer.
Lawrence. Stick. When he's in looks to play his shots, unorthodox he appears confident enough.
Root. A shoe in our best by miles.
Stokes. Back in ASAP.
Foakes. Back in asap.
Buttler back in id rather Foakes kept but you could make an argument he might play as a batsman.
Leach. Hot dry conditions should of played.

We can't blame the bowlers again they did alright, if catches were held it would of been even on first innings.

Silverwood needs to get a grip, and quick.

Malan is an option, may just get an Ashes trip in the winter, but let's forget about he Ashes  :)

Don’t disagree hugely, but if the players you’re keeping. What’s the batting order. Or rather, who’s at 3?
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #317 on: June 12, 2021, 09:34:26 PM »

I don't get all the doom and gloom, were weak at the moment but missing loads of players

My full strength side:

Burns
Sibley
Any form 3
Root
Stokes
Pope/Lawrence
Buttler
Foakes
Wood/stone
Leach
Broad
Anderson

4 seamers 1.5 spinners

And batting

Yes this is self inflicted this summer and the (No Swearing Please) about prepping for ashes is just that but we all knew we would be weak this summer
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #318 on: June 12, 2021, 09:35:57 PM »

That’s 12 players, maybe the only way to get some half decent scores?
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« Reply #319 on: June 12, 2021, 09:47:05 PM »

Don’t disagree hugely, but if the players you’re keeping. What’s the batting order. Or rather, who’s at 3?

The problem is no 3 and it’s been that way for a while. I think Crawley-who I thought would make decent runs-should be left out, Pope is borderline because he hasn’t done enough-but might do if he’s kept in.
I’ve thought for ages Root should be 3 because we have so many middle order players, Lawrence the latest of them, but that exposes our best batsman in a position he doesn’t want, so it won’t be him.

There’s no easy answer to the number 3 spot. Malan possibly but that would drop Pope I think.



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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #320 on: June 12, 2021, 09:52:41 PM »

The problem is no 3 and it’s been that way for a while. I think Crawley-who I thought would make decent runs-should be left out, Pope is borderline because he hasn’t done enough-but might do if he’s kept in.
I’ve thought for ages Root should be 3 because we have so many middle order players, Lawrence the latest of them, but that exposes our best batsman in a position he doesn’t want, so it won’t be him.

There’s no easy answer to the number 3 spot. Malan possibly but that would drop Pope I think.
I’d like Malan at 3 for Oz,  less sure for the india series. If they give him that and he doesn’t go well, then we have big problems.

I’m not a fan but it does almost convince we that we could almost stick a Woakes or a No at 3 just to fill the spot. He’s not have to average many for it to be a success, but it would be an odd move.

On a realistic note I’m not sure who else is on the list of realistic options, Haneed (hope they leave him at Notts for a full season), Libby, Bracey was clearly lined up for it but it’s hard to pick him there after the two tests he’s had now.

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« Reply #321 on: June 12, 2021, 11:49:20 PM »

 Thanks for the high praise for NZ  :D

Burns looks ok, at least he tries to score. Crawley gone, Sibley (Terrible technique and no intent to score) gone, Pope Id persevere with he looks good but gets out, Lawrence gone (Looks very average).

Surely in the whole of England there must be some better batsman. I'm not saying you should pick T20 players but everytime I watch that I see some amazing players. With the talent in T20's there must be some talent in Red ball cricket? Are there any older journeyman that are still carving up First class level? Get Darren Stevens in I say.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #322 on: June 13, 2021, 06:16:46 AM »

That’s 12 players, maybe the only way to get some half decent scores?

Yeah just can't count 🤣🤣
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« Reply #323 on: June 13, 2021, 07:33:26 AM »

Thanks for the high praise for NZ  :D

Burns looks ok, at least he tries to score. Crawley gone, Sibley (Terrible technique and no intent to score) gone, Pope Id persevere with he looks good but gets out, Lawrence gone (Looks very average).

Surely in the whole of England there must be some better batsman. I'm not saying you should pick T20 players but everytime I watch that I see some amazing players. With the talent in T20's there must be some talent in Red ball cricket? Are there any older journeyman that are still carving up First class level? Get Darren Stevens in I say.

New Zealand have absolutely out played us in all areas and I'm sure everyone will agree.
The batting by England in the 2nd innings was for the most just brainless.
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« Reply #324 on: June 13, 2021, 07:59:11 AM »

A top 7 as below doesn't look too bad, but still issues with the opening spot and Pope not convincing at 6. Had issues with openers for what seems like forever, but still no answers!

Burns
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Malan
Root
Stokes
Pope
Butler/Foakes/Bairstow

No idea who comes in to open tbh, but think Malan was cast aside too early and deserves a go at 3.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #325 on: June 13, 2021, 08:35:44 AM »

Sibley will be opening long term, there's no one else
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #326 on: June 13, 2021, 09:38:18 AM »

Jake Libby to open or bat at 3 for me..

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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #327 on: June 13, 2021, 09:40:55 AM »

Sibley will be opening long term, there's no one else

Agree, but think we have to try someone different as just don't think Sibley will be a long term answer
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #328 on: June 13, 2021, 10:50:58 AM »

Definitely think changes need to be made for the first test against India, I’d like to see Jake Libby or Alex lees given a chance as they are the inform batsmen on the county circuit atm (although lees currently has a broken hand) I’d have malan in at number 3 and then a middle order of root, stokes, butler and foakes(wk). I don’t think we can continue to carry Pope after his recent run of form.
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Re: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches
« Reply #329 on: June 13, 2021, 11:26:50 AM »

Here we go ...
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