Topic: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches (Read 38216 times)

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #375 on:** June 14, 2021, 07:41:01 PM »

Jason Roy got some T20 runs this evening. I am fully expecting a recall for the India series.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #376 on:** June 14, 2021, 07:51:22 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on June 14, 2021, 07:37:38 PM

You're cupboard may be overflowing with high scoring CC batsmen but most of ours isn't.

He's consistently scored runs for Middlesex before moving to Yorkshire and has International experience,which counts for something.

So can I have 'Ollie Pope is scoring runs for fun'? What about Dom Sibley?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #377 on:** June 14, 2021, 07:56:29 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on June 14, 2021, 07:41:01 PM

Jason Roy got some T20 runs this evening. I am fully expecting a recall for the India series.

We all picked him. He was rubbish.

AJ2014 · « **Reply #378 on:** June 14, 2021, 08:12:47 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on June 14, 2021, 08:55:21 AM

so - Burns stays because he 'looks to score'.. you know that in test cricket whilst looking to score is good... you also, you know.. need to bat time CONSISTENTLY so that you soften the ball, make bowlers bowl 3-4-5 spells so that your middle order stroke makers (aka, the ones who 'look to score') can pick off runs EASIER (which suits them as otherwise they'll get exposed more regularly).. he's scored runs though so fair enough

Sibley - GONE.. no intent to score.... So Test teams and England NEED someone to bat time... Sure Sibley is never going to be a world beater (although I'm sure the England fans after a few runs will claim him to be like we do everyone else after a purple patch) but he's there to do a job. His job at the top of the order is not expose the middle order (which is FLAKY!!). If he does that by being 30* off 130 balls.. so what. THAT IS WHY YOU HAVE A MIDDLE ORDER of stroke makers to make hey when the going is easier

Crawley - Just doesn't really look good enough but unless you're throwing in Malan... There is LITERALLY NO ONE ELSE (if I see another call for Root, stokes, Bairstow, Pope then I'll assume that person really doesn't get Test match cricket and ignore them)

Pope - lIke everyone.. love the way he looks.. BUT.. JUST LIKE Bell in a way but also just like modern players... He's being too flashy.. to many shots.. to much 'intent'... He needs to remember it's a 5 day test match.. score when the bad balls are there, if they aren't... leave and defend.. this 'has all the talent' crap is just that.. good for a little while but he's now living off 'potential'.. time to deliver or get lost

Lawrence.. he's flavour of the month I see cause he got some runs. Lets see what his avg is after a longer period in different conditions before lauding him too much.

Amazing talent in 2020/ODI is TOTALLY TOTALLY different to Longer formats for christ sake.. Just cause Jacks for example and slog a few balls miles doesn't mean he's got the talent for longer formats.. if anything, excluding a true top end talent.. it quite literally means the opposite. The reason there are 'so many' talented white ball hitters is.. money.. It's where the money is for businessmen so they've prioritised the production line for those players. Could they have been top end longer format players.. Very likely.. but it's too late.. once you grow up only playing short formats you learn the skills for that, the mentality for that..

people may disagree but it's the same at amateur level.. They are dumbing down the game to shorter win lose formats (which people claim to be 'more fun', less 'dull' games') and then wonder why the level is worse and the tactics/skill sets are declining.. plus, just as many dull one sided games. If you only play short formats.. you will lose all the skills sets and abilities of being able top lay longer games (as a batter, bowler and captain)

The pro game isn't going to go back to longer formats now.. it's to invested in money making with businessmen/women at the top who are only concerned with getting every $$$ they can and the cricket really is just the 'product'. If they can keep the beer drinking , not really cricket fans filling the 'hollies' game in game out.. they are happy as pig in muck.

people really need to realise that the formats are generally great for diversity and giving a full spectrum of opportunity to players (who lets face it, have different enjoyments/skills which are suited to different formats) but also, the formats fit into different times of the week/day (aka.. 2020 is great for evening stuff for the kids post school or the beer heads before their Friday night out etc).. The formats suit DIFFERENT types of players, different skill sets/mentalities . The game needs all three formats as it caters for all types of players/abilities/interests but by moving the entire game basically towards 2020 styles it's not only limiting participation but also skills/interest and ultimately.. produces the same type of player.. aka.. hitters.. what is the difference really now between Bairstow, hales, roy, jacks, Warner, banton et all... realistically.. nothing.. all pretty much of a much in terms of what they can do 'on their day'..

Agree with this all!
I know you'll be able to answer this, my question is how come Indian T20 players became successful test and ODI players? Thanks

ppccopener · « **Reply #379 on:** June 14, 2021, 08:14:18 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on June 14, 2021, 07:51:22 PM

So can I have 'Ollie Pope is scoring runs for fun'? What about Dom Sibley?

Pope is the most gifted young player in the Country, at his age he's way ahead of anyone else.

You know exactly what England are doing they are backing potential with a hope he settles in and starts repaying us with some better scores.

Let's see if England extend that run and work with him because as someone else pointed out, drop him and he's back scoring heavy for Surrey so what have they learnt?

Sibley I actually don't know about, he can bat all day but he's not scoring enough runs.

I suspect he will be given a bit longer as well. The England selectors are getting tested out.in my time watching England this is about he hardest time to get a settled order.

Root is our only top 6 batter from the current series averaging more than 34, I don't ever remember that happening before.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #380 on:** June 14, 2021, 08:24:31 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on June 14, 2021, 08:14:18 PM

Pope is the most gifted young player in the Country, at his age he's way ahead of anyone else.

You know exactly what England are doing they are backing potential with a hope he settles in and starts repaying us with some better scores.

Let's see if England extend that run and work with him because as someone else pointed out, drop him and he's back scoring heavy for Surrey so what have they learnt?

Sibley I actually don't know about, he can bat all day but he's not scoring enough runs.

I suspect he will be given a bit longer as well. The England selectors are getting tested out.in my time watching England this is about he hardest time to get a settled order.

Root is our only top 6 batter from the current series averaging more than 34, I don't ever remember that happening before.

How long do you back potential for though? It could be argued that Pope is actually regressing as a test match batsman.

Sibley�s time is limited. He might be able to bore bowlers to death, but he also needs to be able to score runs. He has a big flaw against the ball that moves late and away from him too - two bowling line ups he won�t want to face are India and Australia. I think it�s going to be a tough summer for the poor old chap.

six and out · « **Reply #381 on:** June 14, 2021, 08:40:59 PM »

Sibley and Crawley are conceivably the only 2 in any danger TBH, as remember this test series was missing our main middle order.

Stokes and Buttler back in, stick with Pope because he is the future and you are only going to find out 1 way.

You always have the option of playing Buttler as a batter and Foakes with the gloves. Stokes bats 3, Buttler 5, Pope 6 etc.... just an option if things are going really pear shaped.

For me Sibleys game isn't adept enough and the good bowlers are working him out. Blooding a new opener now isn't easy so if anyone replaces him I would expect it will be Hameed.

Crawley is having a lot of brain fade moments and if they don't stop soon then Malan might be the answer, giving some experience and is decent against pace for the Ashes.

joeljonno · « **Reply #382 on:** June 14, 2021, 10:39:09 PM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on June 14, 2021, 07:16:36 PM

Adam Lythe would also be a better option than sibley.

As much as it pains me to say it - runs should be the only currency that matter - and on that basis, even Gary balance should be in the picture.
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When people �talk averages�, Gary Ballance is a prime example. He still averages around 37.5 for England.

billyb · « **Reply #383 on:** June 15, 2021, 06:30:40 AM »

Big fan of the Ballance talk coming back!
If things had gone differently, Ballance, Vince, Lyth, Westley could have been our top order for a couple of years by now.

We seem to have a few county batsmen who are either not good enough or the England test set-up is not good enough to produce class test batsmen. On recent evidence, I'm pretty sure it is the latter.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #384 on:** June 15, 2021, 07:34:47 AM »

Meanwhile, in the Vitality Blast...

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #385 on:** June 15, 2021, 08:11:01 AM »

Quote from: joeljonno on June 14, 2021, 10:39:09 PM

When people �talk averages�, Gary Ballance is a prime example. He still averages around 37.5 for England.

Has he stopped missing straight balls yet?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #386 on:** June 15, 2021, 09:08:34 AM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on June 15, 2021, 08:11:01 AM

Has he stopped missing straight balls yet?

has Bairstow stopped getting bowled through the gate yet?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #387 on:** June 15, 2021, 09:27:10 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on June 15, 2021, 09:08:34 AM

has Bairstow stopped getting bowled through the gate yet?

Nope. Neither should be in the test side as they have obvious flaws in their technique (like a lot of England batters at present).

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #388 on:** June 15, 2021, 09:49:59 AM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on June 15, 2021, 09:27:10 AM

Nope. Neither should be in the test side as they have obvious flaws in their technique (like a lot of England batters at present).

and yet Bairstow is always one of the first to get mentioned about a re-call sadly

SD · « **Reply #389 on:** June 15, 2021, 10:48:36 AM »

I was very much underwhelmed by the appointment of Chris Silverwood in the first place - it seemed to be driven by virtue signalling from Ashley Giles that the next coach had to be English rather than picking the best available candidate for the job - and his performance so far has been very much underwhelming.

Ed Smith carried the can for selection decisions over the winter but, on the evidence so far, Silverwood either had more of a say on selection than Smith, or they were broadly of the same opinion when it came to the balancing the side.

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