Topic: England v India series (Read 84057 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #375 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:42:17 AM »

Quote from: adb club cricketer on August 16, 2021, 11:40:00 PM

Sometimes the technique and the position the batsman gets into makes it feel as if it is unplayable though it might not necessarily be the case. For e.g., Pujara gets "unplayable" balls a lot more than others but I feel it is because he stands still and also crouches low, so looks like he gets unplayable balls as soon as there is some deviation near off stump or if the ball rises a bit more than expectecd. Imagine De Villiers playing similar delivery - he would get behind the line and either defend or leave it well based on line or even height by dropping the hands.

ABdV lets face it like Ponting/Williamson/Kallis/Sangakkara et all are just levels above players like Pujara and co. Sure look to them for inspiration and how to do things but lets not expect them to be able to do it.. or at least not consistently

Jimbo · « **Reply #376 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:57:21 AM »

Crawley and Pope are 23, bit early to be writing them off altogether. Crawley has shown he has the technique and mentality to go big, he's just in horrible nick and needs to go away and work on a few things with his coaches. Pope has had a string of injuries but his talent is clear to see, he needs a run of injury free game time and to be batted in the right position in the order.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #377 on:** August 17, 2021, 10:06:34 AM »

Crawley hasn�t shown the technique at all. A one off �fluke� is all that 267 was.

Burns not enough good heck he�s got more ducks than hundreds...
Sibley literally has one scoring shot
Crawley clearly not good enough
Pope the greatest thing since slice bread exposed at the highest level.
Bairstow averages 50 in domestic red ball yet after 70 odd tests still hasn�t got it at test level.
Buttler(I�m a massive fan) but the geezer isn�t red ball standard. I keep reading �Jos is like Pant� yeah sure he is...
S Curran nothing against the boy but he�s truly one of the worst ever England test cricketers. Can�t bowl for toffee. Now the brainless slogging isn�t working either.

So 7 lame ducks not like we�ve got another 7 capable to replace them...

But at least we got some 100 ball garbage...

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #378 on:** August 17, 2021, 10:29:45 AM »

Ollie Pope just had his stumps demolished by Chris Rushworth for a duck...yeah he�s not gonna cut it as #3.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #379 on:** August 17, 2021, 10:48:00 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on August 17, 2021, 10:06:34 AM

Crawley hasn�t shown the technique at all. A one off �fluke� is all that 267 was.

Burns not enough good heck he�s got more ducks than hundreds...
Sibley literally has one scoring shot
Crawley clearly not good enough
Pope the greatest thing since slice bread exposed at the highest level.
Bairstow averages 50 in domestic red ball yet after 70 odd tests still hasn�t got it at test level.
Buttler(I�m a massive fan) but the geezer isn�t red ball standard. I keep reading �Jos is like Pant� yeah sure he is...
S Curran nothing against the boy but he�s truly one of the worst ever England test cricketers. Can�t bowl for toffee. Now the brainless slogging isn�t working either.

So 7 lame ducks not like we�ve got another 7 capable to replace them...

But at least we got some 100 ball garbage...

None of Burns, Sibley, Hameed or Crawley seem good enough.. However, they are the best options currently so we might as well back the 3 youngest but ensure they work on RED BALL technical improvements/mentality. That means Burns becomes the spare from the three

Curran/Bairstow/Buttler can all go play white ball cricket please. Buttler at least tries to bat long but just isn't really good enough.

pope looks the business but keeps getting out. Again, there isn't anyone better so might as well persist but just get him ONLY playing red ball and develop his mental ability as that's obviously where the issue is.

This can't be fixed short term but realistic expectations are needed about players and the team. We've seen just this week how one good (by good we mean just not as reckless!) knock by Bairstow suddenly makes him a shoe in again when he really shouldn't be anywhere near or at the most, people should be going 'he's not good enough but had a good knock)

Jimbo · « **Reply #380 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:32:15 AM »

Sam Curran one of the worst England test cricketers ever? I only started watching in 2005 and I know that's a lot of mince.

six and out · « **Reply #381 on:** August 17, 2021, 11:37:56 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 17, 2021, 11:32:15 AM

Sam Curran one of the worst England test cricketers ever? I only started watching in 2005 and I know that's a lot of mince.

Sam Curran makes or is at least very close to making my worst ever England Test XI - that would be an interesting thread lol

Jimbo · « **Reply #382 on:** August 17, 2021, 12:14:09 PM »

Quote from: six and out on August 17, 2021, 11:37:56 AM

Sam Curran makes or is at least very close to making my worst ever England Test XI - that would be an interesting thread lol

That's your recency bias shining through, you're forgetting how awful England have been at test cricket in the past. Some far better examples of "worst test cricketers" even over the last ten or so years.

Simon Kerrigan, Jason Roy, Samit Patel, Zafar Ansari, Jake Ball...

six and out · « **Reply #383 on:** August 17, 2021, 12:39:33 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 17, 2021, 12:14:09 PM

That's your recency bias shining through, you're forgetting how awful England have been at test cricket in the past. Some far better examples of "worst test cricketers" even over the last ten or so years.

Simon Kerrigan, Jason Roy, Samit Patel, Zafar Ansari, Jake Ball...

The age I am believe me I have seen some rubbish, like Aftab Habib or numerous 1/2 cap wonders from the 80/early 90's.

The problem with Curran is he actually thinks he's good. He is amongst that list in my book.

But I completely take your point there are some awful players in your list.

jonny77 · « **Reply #384 on:** August 17, 2021, 12:40:12 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 17, 2021, 10:48:00 AM

None of Burns, Sibley, Hameed or Crawley seem good enough.. However, they are the best options currently so we might as well back the 3 youngest but ensure they work on RED BALL technical improvements/mentality. That means Burns becomes the spare from the three

Curran/Bairstow/Buttler can all go play white ball cricket please. Buttler at least tries to bat long but just isn't really good enough.

pope looks the business but keeps getting out. Again, there isn't anyone better so might as well persist but just get him ONLY playing red ball and develop his mental ability as that's obviously where the issue is.

This can't be fixed short term but realistic expectations are needed about players and the team. We've seen just this week how one good (by good we mean just not as reckless!) knock by Bairstow suddenly makes him a shoe in again when he really shouldn't be anywhere near or at the most, people should be going 'he's not good enough but had a good knock)

Wish you'd stop sitting on the fence and tell us if you rate Bairstow or not! 😆

For me Burns and Sibley have never convinced they'll be up to it. So not sure where we go from here with out top 6 tbh, but obviously Stokes slots straight back in at 6 when fit. I'd personally give Bairstow a run at 5, as he's never realy had a settled role in the test side and there's nobody else beating down the door who convinces me they'd do more. Hameed maybe to open with Burns (struggling to find an alternative) and Malan at 3, Root 4, Bairstow 5, Butler 6.

Still not convinced by most of this top order tbf, but it's the best i can come up with for now. In fairness to India, they do have a very good bowling attack which works well in our conditions. If we'd have bowled better yesterday morning and run through their tail, then we could have been having a much different discussion now.

Jimbo · « **Reply #385 on:** August 17, 2021, 12:57:40 PM »

Quote from: six and out on August 17, 2021, 12:39:33 PM

The age I am believe me I have seen some rubbish, like Aftab Habib or numerous 1/2 cap wonders from the 80/early 90's.

The problem with Curran is he actually thinks he's good. He is amongst that list in my book.

But I completely take your point there are some awful players in your list.

What do you mean "he thinks he's good"? Do you not reckon plenty of other, worse cricketers have rated themselves?

I'd say the biggest problem with Curran is he simply hasn't played enough non-Test FC cricket so he doesn't have a method worked out when his favoured game plans aren't working. His lack of discipline with the ball in this test betrayed the lack of experience and nous. With the bat, if he can't attack he doesn't look convincing at all, that I'd also put down to not having played enough FC matches.

six and out · « **Reply #386 on:** August 17, 2021, 01:09:59 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on August 17, 2021, 12:40:12 PM

Wish you'd stop sitting on the fence and tell us if you rate Bairstow or not! 😆

For me Burns and Sibley have never convinced they'll be up to it. So not sure where we go from here with out top 6 tbh, but obviously Stokes slots straight back in at 6 when fit. I'd personally give Bairstow a run at 5, as he's never realy had a settled role in the test side and there's nobody else beating down the door who convinces me they'd do more. Hameed maybe to open with Burns (struggling to find an alternative) and Malan at 3, Root 4, Bairstow 5, Butler 6.

Still not convinced by most of this top order tbf, but it's the best i can come up with for now. In fairness to India, they do have a very good bowling attack which works well in our conditions. If we'd have bowled better yesterday morning and run through their tail, then we could have been having a much different discussion now.

In terms of people knocking on the door, when you look at this years CC it is Libby at Worcester with 798 runs @68, then Karlson at Glamorgan with 790 @65, Haines at Sussex with 767 @45, after that noone has scored 700 runs in 10 matches.

And any of those 3 would be very left field picks, apart from maybe Libby who has a few good seasons behind him.

six and out · « **Reply #387 on:** August 17, 2021, 01:14:00 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 17, 2021, 12:57:40 PM

What do you mean "he thinks he's good"? Do you not reckon plenty of other, worse cricketers have rated themselves?

I'd say the biggest problem with Curran is he simply hasn't played enough non-Test FC cricket so he doesn't have a method worked out when his favoured game plans aren't working. His lack of discipline with the ball in this test betrayed the lack of experience and nous. With the bat, if he can't attack he doesn't look convincing at all, that I'd also put down to not having played enough FC matches.

What I mean by that is I think he looks arrogant with it all, when he isn't very good.

You are probably right with regards his FC experience.

Jimbo · « **Reply #388 on:** August 17, 2021, 01:16:19 PM »

Quote from: six and out on August 17, 2021, 01:14:00 PM

What I mean by that is I think he looks arrogant with it all, when he isn't very good.

You are probably right with regards his FC experience.

Are you absolutely sure this isn't just because of his daft hairdo? 😂

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #389 on:** August 17, 2021, 02:13:47 PM »

Sam Curran has played 50 fc matches + 20 odd tests. That�s not a small sample size. In those 70 odd matches he�s got ZERO centuries. Yet he�s hyped up as Ben Stoke 2.0.
Curran is bang average simple as.

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