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Re: England v India series
« Reply #420 on: August 18, 2021, 04:26:51 PM »

They have picked Malan because he has a good international record and was good on the last Ashes tour.
Makes sense.
Also keeps the left hand right hand dynamic down the order.

Malan is a fair shout. Just bizarre how they aren't backing the younger players but are backing Bairstow/Curran and Moeen who have all been tried.. and realistically.. failed time and Time again
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #421 on: August 18, 2021, 04:27:31 PM »

Not backing the younger players, Curran is only 23!
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #422 on: August 18, 2021, 04:35:27 PM »

If we believe the announcement wi the team, they clearly think Crawley will be back and they have invested time in him so maybe that is right. He clearly has the talent and the shots.

I'm not so sure about Sibley, he might find it harder to expand his game. There is only so much time in the nets that's worth wil thou.

These players need match games and there's precious little for them to play in.

Personally I think Crawley has the game to return. It may have to be high up the order thou it's too crowded in the middle.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #423 on: August 18, 2021, 04:42:13 PM »

Malan is a fair shout. Just bizarre how they aren't backing the younger players but are backing Bairstow/Curran and Moeen who have all been tried.. and realistically.. failed time and Time again

You can't drop the majority of the side.

Bairstow was brought in at the start of the series so should be given the series to see what happens, otherwise what was the point in bringing him back in the 1st place.

I really feel that Curran is playing because Stokes and Woakes are unavailable. Whether you think that's right or wrong, not much choice if they feel that's the best way to balance the side. And the same could be said of Mo being picked.

Malan in for Sibley, Hameed to open is as good as anything. I just hope Hameed gets some runs, otherwise it will look really really dire.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #424 on: August 18, 2021, 04:54:10 PM »

What balance is Sam Curran offering? 59 runs @ 19 and 1 wicket @ 171. Literally offering nothing.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #425 on: August 18, 2021, 05:14:29 PM »

As @six and out says thou Jeff, no Woakes,no Stokes.Broad out, Archer won't be seen again in tests, Wood won't be risked in this match and Jimmy is set to play 3 on the bounce.

I don't think anyone on here has him ahead of any of those players.
He's going to have to play as a bowler. If you take him out and put Overton in, everyone is right arm over medium pace.

I suppose they could do that.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #426 on: August 18, 2021, 05:45:14 PM »

At preent in the top10 averages in the county championship only 1 player is not available to play for England. With this being the case we are theoretically in a better position than years past yet we still go the old guard time and time again.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #427 on: August 18, 2021, 06:01:18 PM »

CDG and Bedingham?

5/10 by total runs aren’t England qualified
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #428 on: August 18, 2021, 06:15:47 PM »

The reality is all players fit into 1 of 4 broad categories:

1) Proven Legends. These players will likely only not be selected due to injury or rotation. If they get into a bad patch of form they're likely to be played anyway in the hope they can play themselves back into form.
Examples in Current side: Anderson, Broad, Root, Stokes

2) Quality Place Holders. These players meet the 'international player' quality line and are capable of looking like they belong but are primarily selected on form. The thing these players all have in common is that they have shown they are capable of outstanding performances, but usually are unable to reproduce this form consistently enough to be automatic picks and earn them Category 1 status. This is a much larger category than category 1 and so players are picked on form/ match conditions.
Examples in current side: Bairstow, Moeen

3) Desperate Place Holders. Players who, were there half decent alternatives that weren't considered gambles, would likely not be selected. Very much 'for now' men. Capable of quality performances but rarely look comfortable at the highest level. They show just enough to make you think that they might be Category 2 players but ultimately are unable to banish their demons.
Examples in current side: Burns

4) The un-placed. Young players who are still developing and could therefore fall into any of categories 1-3.

Our problem as a media/ support base is that we categorise people far too early. Someone scores a ton and half the media claim that someone special has been found - but that's rarely the case. It is also the reality that in a good generation half your team will be Category 1 players (think of the Strauss era), in a weaker period (now) there is a much more even spread across all categories. You can't necessarily select out of this issue and the crux is that there isn't enough CC cricket to allow us to select on form. If we're honest Malan, Vince, Lyth etc are all category 2/3 players but we can't pick them based on form because we have no idea who is actually in form! This is also why the old hats like Bairstow continuously get selected ie they've shown they are capable of producing good performances and the chances of them coming into form are considered less risky than picking a Cat 4 players - plenty of people disagree with this approach but management of risk is particular to each coach.


This manifests itself in patchy performances because if half your team are category 2/3 players, for everyone that succeeds the other fails and this advantage cancels each other out. Conversely if they all fire on the same day you think you have a team of legends and are then surprised when two matches later they all fail and you get an absolute drubbing!

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Re: England v India series
« Reply #429 on: August 18, 2021, 08:19:17 PM »

Is Alex Less in the mix or what?

He came and played down here in NZ a few years ago and was an absolute Gun plus a fantastic human. I have followed his progress since and he seems to be batting well this season.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #430 on: August 18, 2021, 08:35:06 PM »

Is Alex Less in the mix or what?

He came and played down here in NZ a few years ago and was an absolute Gun plus a fantastic human. I have followed his progress since and he seems to be batting well this season.

Has been better of late but hasn't put together many really big scores to force the conversation.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #431 on: August 18, 2021, 09:49:38 PM »

He’s spent time out injured but in the last 2 seasons he’s been fantastic at Durham. If he has another top year next year I’d think he would be in the conversation for sure.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #432 on: August 18, 2021, 10:03:42 PM »

What balance is Sam Curran offering? 59 runs @ 19 and 1 wicket @ 171. Literally offering nothing.

I think that's very unfair. The Indian batsmen are loving his offerings down the leg side at gentle medium pace!
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #433 on: August 18, 2021, 10:30:52 PM »

As @six and out says thou Jeff, no Woakes,no Stokes.Broad out, Archer won't be seen again in tests, Wood won't be risked in this match and Jimmy is set to play 3 on the bounce.

I don't think anyone on here has him ahead of any of those players.
He's going to have to play as a bowler. If you take him out and put Overton in, everyone is right arm over medium pace.

I suppose they could do that.

Just to your last point, I’d absolutely rather that all our bowlers were right arm medium pacemen as opposed to our “point of difference” bowling left arm throw downs from 3ft 1 at 78mph. As others have alluded to, he averages 36 with the ball and 25 with the bat. It’s dire.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #434 on: August 19, 2021, 07:04:10 AM »

Not backing the younger players, Curran is only 23!

but he is not good enough with the ball
not good enough with the bat

I mean, quite literally the only positives ever said are 'he can hit a few balls' 'he's variation' 'he's really aggressive'.    is that really the quality of player that should be even considered a test player
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