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Re: England v India series
« Reply #720 on: September 06, 2021, 04:54:50 PM »
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #721 on: September 06, 2021, 05:06:06 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on September 06, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
He would be a point of difference though. As would Wood or Stone.

IMO they'd be a stronger side with Foakes too rather than Bairstow.
Don’t get me started on Bairstow...
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #722 on: September 06, 2021, 05:12:53 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on September 06, 2021, 04:50:25 PM
He would be a point of difference though. As would Wood or Stone.

IMO they'd be a stronger side with Foakes too rather than Bairstow.

A few months ago I would agree with this but I think Foakes should 100% play but at the expense of Butler I would rather have JYB at 5/6 than the likes of Butler, Lawrence etc. I like the batting line up of:
Burns
Hameed
Malan/Crawley
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
3 bowlers plus Stokes who is missing and due to this it just makes the side unbalanced currently

Burns and Hameed have had 2 x 100 stands so far so a lot better at the top and JYB hasn’t been bad this series just not got the score he would have wanted and I generally feel those balls Pope and Bairstow got would have got many a better batsmen out at that pace with reverse swing.

On to Manchester and I don’t think a drawn series is a bad result against this side given our issues as a Test side at the moment and the strength of the Indian side, remember they are the best test side in the world with a class seam attack in the best country condition wise for seam bowling
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #723 on: September 06, 2021, 05:25:52 PM »
Have to agree on the Pope and Bairstow wickets, could have got anyone out with that kind of reverse swing and pace. Have heard that reverse swing occurs late, making it more difficult to play compared to conventional swing which in itself is difficult to play.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #724 on: September 06, 2021, 05:38:42 PM »
Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on September 06, 2021, 05:12:53 PM
Burns
Hameed
Malan/Crawley
Root
Bairstow
Stokes
Pope
Foakes
3 bowlers plus Stokes who is missing and due to this it just makes the side unbalanced currently

I don't hate that line up but I'm not convinced with only 3 bowlers and Bairstow is the man I'd sacrifice from that side personally.

Hameed
Burns
Malan
Root
Pope
Stokes
Foakes

Bowling all-rounder(Woakes/Overton), Leach/Parkinson and a couple of bowlers suited for the conditions (Anderson, Robinson, Broad, Archer, Wood, Mahmood, Stone).

I'd also argue Robinson should be a nailed on starter outside of the subcontinent at this point. Think his style of bowling just gives you so much as long as the attack around him is suited to conditions.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #725 on: September 06, 2021, 05:51:17 PM »
The Bairstow hate on here is funny. Inswinging yorker at 90mph or thereabouts is bound to get even the best out at times. I'm not sure how anyone thinks Foakes would be a better bet?! We dropped crucial catches and Bumrah bowled very well after lunch, a great spell. They're two flawed teams imo, but India have stepped up when needed.

I'd rest Anderson next game, as he's bowled a lot of overs and looked a little leggy. I'd bring Wood in and go with the below. I like Moen but he still can't offer control or much threat in general, so I'd bring Leach in.

Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Pope
Bairstow
Woakes
Wood
Overton
Robinson
Leach
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #726 on: September 06, 2021, 06:21:27 PM »
Quote from: jonny77 on September 06, 2021, 05:51:17 PM
The Bairstow hate on here is funny. Inswinging yorker at 90mph or thereabouts is bound to get even the best out at times. I'm not sure how anyone thinks Foakes would be a better bet?! We dropped crucial catches and Bumrah bowled very well after lunch, a great spell. They're two flawed teams imo, but India have stepped up when needed.

I'd rest Anderson next game, as he's bowled a lot of overs and looked a little leggy. I'd bring Wood in and go with the below. I like Moen but he still can't offer control or much threat in general, so I'd bring Leach in.

Burns
Hameed
Malan
Root
Pope
Bairstow
Woakes
Wood
Overton
Robinson
Leach

In the short term, Bairstow makes sense. Long term, I'm less convinced.

Agree with much of that side for the next test, other than Wood batting ahead of Overton and Robinson  :D
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #727 on: September 06, 2021, 06:40:30 PM »
Bairstow has done no better or worse than most others so I don’t think leaving him out would improve us at the moment.
Moeen has been made VC so dropping him would just make the selectors look stupid.

Our seamers did look tired of the ones we have not sure who would be best, maybe Wood.

We have to win at OT so England might consider leaving out a batsman to get Leach in. I think myself the reality is England won’t pick Leach-he hasn’t played at all this year.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #728 on: September 06, 2021, 08:32:33 PM »
Sadly, we just need to accept that we are currently a very average test outfit and average performances will happen as a result.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #729 on: September 06, 2021, 09:29:32 PM »
Quote from: AJ2014 on August 29, 2021, 07:16:42 AM
England are better team and have the momentum with them, England will win next Test despite any changes in Indian team!

This aged well @AJ2014
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #730 on: September 07, 2021, 08:21:29 AM »
All this series has shown is how much we miss Stokes and how bad a side we are without him.

He balances the side with both bat and ball and also fields at 2nd slip and catches the ball when he's there!!!
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #731 on: September 07, 2021, 08:53:43 AM »
Definitely we miss Stokes, he can make things happen and is a leader on the field which Root needs.
Butler available for old Trafford according to the papers but not sure that strengthens us much in current form.

Like to see Leach in who is our best spinner but don’t think that will happen.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #732 on: September 07, 2021, 09:31:19 AM »
Quote from: ppccopener on September 07, 2021, 08:53:43 AM
Definitely we miss Stokes, he can make things happen and is a leader on the field which Root needs.
Butler available for old Trafford according to the papers but not sure that strengthens us much in current form.

Like to see Leach in who is our best spinner but don’t think that will happen.

Have to question who Buttler replaces? As you say, no upgrade on Bairstow and they're not going to drop Pope after his 80 odd.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #733 on: September 07, 2021, 09:45:24 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on September 07, 2021, 09:31:19 AM
Have to question who Buttler replaces? As you say, no upgrade on Bairstow and they're not going to drop Pope after his 80 odd.

Yes very much so. I think Mahmood has picked up a niggle and our two best seamers, Robinson and Anderson are looking a bit tired.

Wood in probably as he’s fit, old Trafford will turn but we don’t have many options.
I think I’d have Wood for Overton, still playing Robbo and Anderson for one more game.

We probably won’t play leach and it will be Mo and a bit of Root.

Not easy to see options to win the next match. A big first innings score and hope the wicket falls to bit later on.

We are grasping at straws.
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Re: England v India series
« Reply #734 on: September 07, 2021, 10:12:30 AM »
Butter in for Bairstow whom is averaging 21 in his last 34 innings.
Leach for Moeen whom is averaging 19 in his last 30 odd innings.
Wood is for either Anderson or Robinson.
If it’s gonna spin big Parkinson for Overton whom looked like he copped a bad blow to his arm yesterday anyway.

Hameed
Burns
Malan
Root
Pope
Buttler
Woakes
Wood
Leach
Parkinson
Anderson/Robinson
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