Topic: England v India series (Read 83837 times)

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #990 on:** July 06, 2022, 12:31:08 AM »

I am sure all teams will eventually be forced to employ similar tactics, otherwise they wouldn't stand any chance going forward. Gone are the days when 200-300 targets in 4th innings will be considered defendable.

Think this is the only possible evolution for Test cricket to stay relevant in this age of T20, it will definitely bring back more fans back to test cricket. What Mccullum and Eng have done is a watershed moment for cricket, decades down the line, ppl will refer to Test cricket as BM and AM (Before Mccullum and After Mccullum). Plus I read somewhere, attack is the skills most youngsters grow up with now anyway, so better to leverage it than try to teach new Test skills. Instructions for newbies coming into tests - you attack for 20 overs in T20, do same in Tests, but for 180 overs. Everything else remains same

potzy248 · « **Reply #991 on:** July 06, 2022, 01:26:44 AM »

Quote from: adb club cricketer on July 06, 2022, 12:31:08 AM

I am sure all teams will eventually be forced to employ similar tactics, otherwise they wouldn't stand any chance going forward. Gone are the days when 200-300 targets in 4th innings will be considered defendable.

Think this is the only possible evolution for Test cricket to stay relevant in this age of T20, it will definitely bring back more fans back to test cricket. What Mccullum and Eng have done is a watershed moment for cricket, decades down the line, ppl will refer to Test cricket as BM and AM (Before Mccullum and After Mccullum). Plus I read somewhere, attack is the skills most youngsters grow up with now anyway, so better to leverage it than try to teach new Test skills. Instructions for newbies coming into tests - you attack for 20 overs in T20, do same for 180 overs in Tests. Everything else remains same

I think you'll see more doctored pitches if other teams start going down this route though. Hard pressed to do this in India when it rags from ball one. Saying that if its hard to bat defensively in India then why not go down this route, nothing to lose. It's great to see.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #992 on:** July 06, 2022, 01:38:27 AM »

Quote from: potzy248 on July 06, 2022, 01:26:44 AM

Saying that if its hard to bat defensively in India then why not go down this route, nothing to lose. It's great to see.

Yes, will be great to see. Greats like Amla and De Villiers have played epic defenses in India in past but not much difference in result. I feel attack is only option. You might lose some, but likelihood of winning increases. Plus entertainment value for fans.

edge · « **Reply #993 on:** July 06, 2022, 06:46:29 AM »

What a game, delighted that India got a thumping after bottling this game last year.

Bairstow looks a whole different player batting like this, brilliant. McCullum/Stokes have already been a success if getting him playing this well is the only thing they manage! Potts has massively exceeded expectations too, amazing that with so many injuries there's still serious competition for bowling spots.

I do worry what will happen when we have to bat first though...

mo_town · « **Reply #994 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:33:20 AM »

How much of this success can be attributed to a fairly dry summer this year and pitches not providing as much assistance on Day 4/5 as previous years? It was the same case with the NZ series as well.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #995 on:** July 06, 2022, 09:26:43 AM »

Quote from: mo_town on July 06, 2022, 08:33:20 AM

How much of this success can be attributed to a fairly dry summer this year and pitches not providing as much assistance on Day 4/5 as previous years? It was the same case with the NZ series as well.

Dry weather would make pitches better to bat on at the start but make them crumble and deteriorate as the game goes on. Basically a good Test match pitch.

jonny77 · « **Reply #996 on:** July 06, 2022, 11:00:58 AM »

Quote from: mo_town on July 06, 2022, 08:33:20 AM

How much of this success can be attributed to a fairly dry summer this year and pitches not providing as much assistance on Day 4/5 as previous years? It was the same case with the NZ series as well.

England have still taken 80 wickets. We've still got issues though. Crawley still doesn't convince and for me neither does Pope at 3. Leach is getting there maybe, but then still Broad and Anderson to replace shortly.

Not being all doom and gloom as it's been a great summer so far, but still a lot of work ahead.

Manormanic · « **Reply #997 on:** July 06, 2022, 01:30:40 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on July 06, 2022, 11:00:58 AM

England have still taken 80 wickets. We've still got issues though. Crawley still doesn't convince and for me neither does Pope at 3. Leach is getting there maybe, but then still Broad and Anderson to replace shortly.

You have hit the nail on the head here: the top three are all on probation and none of them are entirely convincing, though i expect they will get the South Africa series to see if they can make it now. This is made easier for them by the fact that there is not an easy replacement for any of them, though I could see Harry Brook succeeding at three if pushed. I also wonder how James Vince would fare with this mindset?

The real issue is with the ball. Anderson is good for the first innings and one spell now, then he becomes a holding medium pacer. Thats fine, except Broad is also down on pace. I think they should be an either/or for the next 18 months as we try to establish the next generation and keep them fit.

ppccopener · « **Reply #998 on:** July 06, 2022, 02:39:41 PM »

Disagree a bit with that, the find of the summer for me is Potts without a shadow of a doubt

Good pace accurate and does not seem the lose pace later in the day. If he stays injury free he will be permanent.

It�s great to see us chase these big scores but I have some caution myself-the balls go soft very quickly, outfields are very fast and the number 1�.the wickets not only have not deteriorated they have not spun either.

However the new management style has very quickly taken hold, we needed to be more positive and we are.

Those not naturally attacking, like Lees and maybe Sibley of recalled are the true test.
The big scores have come from the middle order, possibly to do with the balls doing nothing much.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #999 on:** July 06, 2022, 07:24:38 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on July 06, 2022, 02:39:41 PM

Disagree a bit with that, the find of the summer for me is Potts without a shadow of a doubt

Good pace accurate and does not seem the lose pace later in the day. If he stays injury free he will be permanent.

It�s great to see us chase these big scores but I have some caution myself-the balls go soft very quickly, outfields are very fast and the number 1�.the wickets not only have not deteriorated they have not spun either.

However the new management style has very quickly taken hold, we needed to be more positive and we are.

Those not naturally attacking, like Lees and maybe Sibley of recalled are the true test.
The big scores have come from the middle order, possibly to do with the balls doing nothing much.

Broad has been faster than Potts every game I've watched. Hes been impressive but low 80s so not exactly pace to write home about

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1000 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:13:11 PM »

Maybe it's not about the pace but more about where he puts it and how he bowls - he's taking wickets as was Robinson before him - neither of whom were express pace.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1001 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:18:12 PM »

Robinson - 9 tests, 39 wickets @ 21,28

Potts - 4 tests, 18 wickets @ 26.72

Neither to be sniffed at - Angus Fraser was medium paced, and he wasn't the worst!

jonny77 · « **Reply #1002 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:25:21 PM »

His pace isn't an issue in the UK, but we could really do with some express options when touring OZ

ppccopener · « **Reply #1003 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:43:06 PM »

Agree with Fattus on this, he�s quick enough I reckon but hopefully we will have Wood back at least for genuine pace.

I think Potts is a real good prospect, Woakes has not played this year, Robinson showed huge promise but is not fit enough, Broad and Anderson cannot go on for ever.

He�s not competing for a place with Archer,Wood or Stone, but in the fast medium slot.

Manormanic · « **Reply #1004 on:** July 06, 2022, 08:58:52 PM »

Potts is a great prospect, i mean no disrespect to him. He will get better - he will get a little bit quicker over the next 2 to 4 years, and reminds me so much of Scott Boland - the kind of bowler you might score of, but you never really get on top of.

But we are missing, what, Archer, Wood, Woakes, Stone, Fisher, Mahmood, Robinson.

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