Topic: G1 butterfly (Read 6281 times)

The Cricket Boutique · « **Reply #15 on:** September 07, 2021, 07:25:17 PM »

Hi Gents.

Just on the G1 butterfly we have in. I did question this when it arrived but as we work on the grading given by the bat maker and work with them on agreed pricing we have gone along with it. To be honest it is a really nice bat and the grains are good. Without the stain it would definitely be classed as a G1 but as some of you have said, can a butterfly be a G1?

If you look at the Aldred pricing, the Emperor butterfly is �290 and not too long ago Keeley were showing some pro bats with butterfly stain at a similar price.

Im not saying I agree with it at all however there are a few out there going that way price wise.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 07, 2021, 07:34:36 PM »

And this was one of the main reasons for starting my own brand. I really do feel that this is just not on personally and the public just pay the price for marketing BS.

Aldreds internal grading of Butterfly is slightly acceptable on the basis that as JS Wrights pretty much set the bench mark for grading he puts the �nicer� looking ones in a higher price point.

The G1 tag is there basically to tempt a buyer into believing that the higher grade means a better overall bat which in my opinion is just nonsense.

Rant over and each to there own but I couldn�t bring myself to charge �300 for a butterfly ever, hell I don�t even sell G1 bats for that.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #17 on:** September 08, 2021, 08:12:58 AM »

"Without the blemish it'd be blemish-free."

More Glue Than Wood · « **Reply #18 on:** September 08, 2021, 08:54:15 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on September 08, 2021, 08:12:58 AM

"Without the blemish it'd be blemish-free."

mo_town · « **Reply #19 on:** September 08, 2021, 09:53:08 AM »

Quote from: TCB on September 07, 2021, 07:25:17 PM

Hi Gents.

Just on the G1 butterfly we have in. I did question this when it arrived but as we work on the grading given by the bat maker and work with them on agreed pricing we have gone along with it. To be honest it is a really nice bat and the grains are good. Without the stain it would definitely be classed as a G1 but as some of you have said, can a butterfly be a G1?

If you look at the Aldred pricing, the Emperor butterfly is �290 and not too long ago Keeley were showing some pro bats with butterfly stain at a similar price.

Im not saying I agree with it at all however there are a few out there going that way price wise.

I must say its quite interesting for a boutique retailer to have a bat like that in the inventory, given that you always have a select few of each brand. Surely the chances of getting someone interested in a butterfly willow for that price are pretty low.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #20 on:** September 08, 2021, 02:07:23 PM »

When a retailer puts up such a bat, even though the bat brand decided on the grading/price and not the retailer, a user could get the impression (irrespective of right or wrong) that the store has bats that aren't of value which could affect traffic in other ways. When competing in a tough market against other retailers who market hand picking/showcasing few bats with mis-grading the other way (G1/G2 looking at G3 price) etc., one might want to avoid such a situation IMO.

Chad · « **Reply #21 on:** September 08, 2021, 03:46:40 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on September 07, 2021, 07:34:36 PM

And this was one of the main reasons for starting my own brand. I really do feel that this is just not on personally and the public just pay the price for marketing BS.

Aldreds internal grading of Butterfly is slightly acceptable on the basis that as JS Wrights pretty much set the bench mark for grading he puts the �nicer� looking ones in a higher price point.

The G1 tag is there basically to tempt a buyer into believing that the higher grade means a better overall bat which in my opinion is just nonsense.

Rant over and each to there own but I couldn�t bring myself to charge �300 for a butterfly ever, hell I don�t even sell G1 bats for that.

Personally, I don't see how Aldred's is more or less acceptable than this case. There's a �30 difference in the pricing in this case, but this seems to be a one off case for GB. Wrights state that 2% of butterfly make it into the G2 grade bracket. A lot more than 2% of the butterflies sold by Aldred make it into the Emperor grade. Is there anything wrong with that? Up to the consumer, there's no coercion into buying the bats itself. The premium you pay for an Aldred Butterfly over a butterfly made from someone newer to the industry I'd imagine from a consumer point of view is due to a perceived track record (Aldred has worked a lot with Butterfly, and appears to know what he's doing) and a wealth of experience (He's made bats for over a decade). If he's managed to convince folks his work is worth that kind of money, then so be it.

I've gotta keep more on the ball with threads I randomly start, I think I remember doing a poll on people's thoughts on Butterfly!

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 08, 2021, 03:51:19 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on September 07, 2021, 05:21:08 PM

The whole grading things is a bit BS though isn�t it? If someone wants to buy a �300 butterfly then it�s worth �300, that�s pretty much it. If that�s not you then look elsewhere.

I don�t really understand the constant outrage at bat price threads on here. It�s not like there�s only one or two batmakers/brands in the world.

IF.. IF business had one or two that charged (in this example �300).. but the rest sold it for say between 200 and 150 then your above statement would be more vindicated. the issue is, retailers/makers see x selling for y and go 'well, I can raise my prices too'.. that way, the customer ends up having little to no choice but to spend loads of money.. there in lays the issue .. once you lose that choice because everyone is raising prices to within roughly the same range as each other then you're basically screwed.

Jimbo · « **Reply #23 on:** September 08, 2021, 04:20:06 PM »

I think my problem is more with the idea that the less well informed consumer assumes that the �300 bat is somehow superior. Not an issue if you choose to actually speak to Mark from TCB as I've always found him to be scrupulously fair to deal with, but more widely I'm not a huge fan of priced up butterfly clefts being described as G1 which some would take as an indication of quality of the bat and justification of the price. Just doesn't quite sit right.

mo_town · « **Reply #24 on:** September 08, 2021, 04:23:41 PM »

Looks sell...I bet a good looking grainy 'plank' would sell much faster than a excellent performing Butterfly G1. If I had 50 bats in my inventory, would I stock something like this? Probably not.

The Cricket Boutique · « **Reply #25 on:** September 08, 2021, 05:28:26 PM »

I understand everyone's comments on here about the grading/pricing etc. We try and be as transparent about what we sell as possible, hence each bat being individually photographed etc.

There is definitely a stronger argument if generic stock photos are used and you don't know what you are actually getting until it arrives. It definitely wouldn't sit well with us If I had taken a picture of the best looking bat and then sent someone one with a butterfly stain just because the maker had graded it as G1. Ultimately its down to the customer to decide if they like a bat or not and if they deem it to be value for money.

How many times have you seen G1 bats that look closer to G2/3, its exactly the same argument.

If you talk to us we will give an honest opinion on bats and there have been a number of times where I have advised customers to go with lower grade bats because in my opinion they perform (pre prep etc) better than a higher grade bat at a higher price that they originally wanted.

Where do people stand on "pro" bats? Sellers/Makers try and bump prices up, regardless of what the bat would be graded at (on looks) because it taps up well or a pro had an option to choose it for themselves. Would it be ok to charge �300+ for a butterfly bat if It had Root written on it in pen? Again its the same sort of argument.

We are definitely not trying to con anyone and I hope those that have dealt with us in any way have witnessed this.

Kulli · « **Reply #26 on:** September 08, 2021, 05:43:52 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 08, 2021, 03:51:19 PM

IF.. IF business had one or two that charged (in this example �300).. but the rest sold it for say between 200 and 150 then your above statement would be more vindicated. the issue is, retailers/makers see x selling for y and go 'well, I can raise my prices too'.. that way, the customer ends up having little to no choice but to spend loads of money.. there in lays the issue .. once you lose that choice because everyone is raising prices to within roughly the same range as each other then you're basically screwed.

So you can�t find anyone selling butterfly for under �300 now?

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #27 on:** September 08, 2021, 05:45:56 PM »

Another day, another brand...

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #28 on:** September 08, 2021, 05:47:49 PM »

I'm assuming this is the 'GB Willow' bat we are talking about?

Jimbo · « **Reply #29 on:** September 08, 2021, 06:29:13 PM »

Has anyone actually heard of GB Willow before now? What's their story?

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