Topic: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled (Read 28355 times)

brokenbat · « **Reply #15 on:** September 18, 2021, 06:09:53 PM »

Quote from: NT50 on September 18, 2021, 03:38:50 PM

If my country�s intelligence force told me it�s not safe to go, then i wouldn�t go. End of story!
Especially to a country where the prime minister has praised the Taliban

Yes, IMRAN KHAN had launched an elaborate scheme to get NZ over so he could ship them over to the Taliban in Afghanistan. What a moronic comment.

All the other arguments here have been reasonable, but this was just utterly idiotic

NT50 · « **Reply #16 on:** September 18, 2021, 08:59:36 PM »

Quote from: brokenbat on September 18, 2021, 06:09:53 PM

Yes, IMRAN KHAN had launched an elaborate scheme to get NZ over so he could ship them over to the Taliban in Afghanistan. What a moronic comment.

All the other arguments here have been reasonable, but this was just utterly idiotic

Where did I say this

InternalTraining · « **Reply #17 on:** September 19, 2021, 03:33:25 PM »

International cricket could very well be moving towards multiple governing bodies. I don't think ICC provides the balanced umbrella to all cricket playing nations. Either that or international cricket would be reduced to one or two countries playing against each other - NFL model.

Regardless, this trend of pulling out of tours or cancelling last minute just can't sustain international cricket as we know it. Without clauses in contracts for backup/alternate venues or later re-scheduling with monetary insurances, small (less lucrative) boards will suffer heavy financial losses.

Warneymonster · « **Reply #18 on:** September 20, 2021, 03:46:51 PM »

ECB have now confirmed the tour for both men and women is off. its a shame but no body knows the security information that has lead to this.

It doesnt help all the players and ex players who are involved in PSL teams chiming in with their opinions to gain favour with the fans, Ramiz Raja's comments are nothing short of appalling accusing the ECB and NZ of making excuses so they didnt have to play them.

SurreySam · « **Reply #19 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:14:14 PM »

Quote from: ECB Press Release

"The ECB has a longstanding commitment to tour Pakistan as part of the Men's Future Tours Programme in 2022.

"Earlier this year, we agreed to play two additional T20 World Cup warm-up games in Pakistan in October, adding a short women's tour with double headers alongside the men's games.

"The ECB Board convened this weekend to discuss these extra England Women's and Men's games in Pakistan and we can confirm that the Board has reluctantly decided to withdraw both teams from the October trip.

"The mental and physical well-being of our players and support staff remains our highest priority and this is even more critical given the times we are currently living in. We know there are increasing concerns about travelling to the region and believe that going ahead will add further pressure to a playing group who have already coped with a long period of operating in restricted Covid environments.

"There is the added complexity for our Men's T20 squad. We believe that touring under these conditions will not be ideal preparation for the ICC Men's T20 World Cup, where performing well remains a top priority for 2021.

"We understand that this decision will be a significant disappointment to the PCB, who have worked tirelessly to host the return of international cricket in their country. Their support of English and Welsh cricket over the last two summers has been a huge demonstration of friendship. We are sincerely sorry for the impact this will have on cricket in Pakistan and emphasise an ongoing commitment to our main touring plans there for 2022."

Ends

Official statement ^^^

ppccopener · « **Reply #20 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:14:49 PM »

There will be a lot of noise but whichever board it is there is the liability issue which, thankfully,has never had to be tackled so far, means the boards have to put players first and so they should.

Raja can say what he likes it makes no difference. There does have to be a way forward for Pakistan of course but I can only see making their base in the UAE, but if as others have posted on here India have that base as reserve but not using it is correct, you do wonder how they move forward for home games.

The simple answer was if indeed India have control of that facility but are not using it, it needs to be made available.
You would think that is unlikely given their relationship�.

Perhaps it�s up to the big nations like us to find a way forward for not only Pakistan but other Countries who don�t have the financial clout we do.

A pipe dream maybe..

InternalTraining · « **Reply #21 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:18:04 PM »

In the long run, this is probably the best thing that could've happened to Pak cricket and PCB.

six and out · « **Reply #22 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:27:47 PM »

The really interesting thing is that the ECB don't actually state its for security reasons. They mainly say about the bubbles and mental health of the players before the WC, that would be caused because of Covid and extra restrictions in Pakistan.

So in this case why aren't the Women touring? They don't have a WC. Also why don't we just forfill the tour with a group of players that are prepared to go, that aren't playing in the WC?

Then do the full tour in 2022.

ppccopener · « **Reply #23 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:35:32 PM »

The bubbles and mental stress on the players was all known months ago when the tour was planned.
The security risk was not until last week when the NZ team was targeted.

There�s no way the ECB would send our team after that. Why the security risk is not mentioned in the statement is odd.
Perhaps New Zealand�s decision is seen as enough for us.
There could be other reasons we don�t know about

SurreySam · « **Reply #24 on:** September 20, 2021, 05:42:21 PM »

They don't mention security risk, but they do say physical well-being of players and support staff. Which is a polite way of saying that they no longer feel safe.

Luke-scicc · « **Reply #25 on:** September 20, 2021, 07:28:27 PM »

We know there are increasing concerns about travelling to the region.

That's the mention of the security risk. I think it's the right call to cancel the tour.

brokenbat · « **Reply #26 on:** September 21, 2021, 12:28:24 AM »

If it�s a genuine security threat, then obviously makes sense to cancel. Intelligence should be shared, so the threat can be tackled.

But from the ecb statement, it seems more like players �feeling� uncomfortable, which can seem like a stab in the back to the Pakistan team. When covid was raging through the UK, the Pakistan team would have clearly �felt� uncomfortable, but they came and bailed the ecb out. Commentators at the time were all praise and couldn�t stop expressing gratitude. So if it�s just bubble fatigue and/or �feeling uncomfortable�, then it�s a massive betrayal.

A real, tangible security threat is another story of course.

InternalTraining · « **Reply #27 on:** September 21, 2021, 02:30:48 AM »

Quote from: brokenbat on September 21, 2021, 12:28:24 AM

So if it�s just bubble fatigue and/or �feeling uncomfortable�, then it�s a massive betrayal.

I think we will see some substantial changes made to international tour policies and punitive insurance/monetary elements associated with these tours. Also, we are moving towards a highly commercialized cricket world where amateurs/first-class players will represents national teams; polished veterans will play in commercial premiere league tournaments. I expect a multi-board cricket world in next 5-10 years with different money & political interests controlling those boards.

potzy248 · « **Reply #28 on:** September 21, 2021, 03:00:05 AM »

Taken some heat off NZ for the time being. You should see the offical Blackcaps FB page. Ridiculous.
In all seriousness though, if this is how their fans react imagine the people in Pakistan who actually want to hurt tourists.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #29 on:** September 21, 2021, 06:50:01 AM »

Quote from: brokenbat on September 21, 2021, 12:28:24 AM

If it�s a genuine security threat, then obviously makes sense to cancel. Intelligence should be shared, so the threat can be tackled.

If you think the ECB will be told of any genuine Int then you're very very mistaken. As for being 'shared'.. Don't be so stupid

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