Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90763 times)

FattusCattus · « **Reply #255 on:** December 12, 2021, 06:01:32 PM »

I have questions:

1) Is Silverwood an International quality coach
2) Is there really any better option to Burns opening at the moment?
3) Is Root a better spin option than Leach?
4) Should we play Stokes as a batter only at 5?
5) I Pope really the real deal, or looking at the averages, do you pick Lawrence to come good and the second part-time spinner?

Next test I would go -

Hameed
Burns
Malan
Root
Stokes
Lawrence
Butler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson

Jimbo · « **Reply #256 on:** December 12, 2021, 07:08:56 PM »

I rate Lawrence but picking a batsman based on his ability to send down some part time tweakers off the back of a dismal batting performance is pretty bold.

Rez · « **Reply #257 on:** December 12, 2021, 08:38:56 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on December 12, 2021, 06:01:32 PM

I have questions:

1) Is Silverwood an International quality coach
2) Is there really any better option to Burns opening at the moment?
3) Is Root a better spin option than Leach?
4) Should we play Stokes as a batter only at 5?
5) I Pope really the real deal, or looking at the averages, do you pick Lawrence to come good and the second part-time spinner?

1) No
2) No
3) Yes
4) No - Easily forgotten that without any match fitness he had near instant impact removing Warner.... with a no ball admittedly
5) Not sure yet

FattusCattus · « **Reply #258 on:** December 12, 2021, 08:39:58 PM »

Bolder than picking Pope - who has really flattered to deceive, and offers one-dimension options at the mo?

Rez · « **Reply #259 on:** December 12, 2021, 08:44:31 PM »

I really am unsure with Pope..... and to complicate things, I really like the unflustered way Lawrence goes about his business. Pretty much a 50/50 for me personally but Pope is not doing himself any favours every time he goes into Pope mode and scares the bejeezus out of all of us.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #260 on:** December 12, 2021, 10:12:00 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on December 12, 2021, 06:01:32 PM

I have questions:

1) Is Silverwood an International quality coach
2) Is there really any better option to Burns opening at the moment?
3) Is Root a better spin option than Leach?
4) Should we play Stokes as a batter only at 5?
5) I Pope really the real deal, or looking at the averages, do you pick Lawrence to come good and the second part-time spinner?

Next test I would go -

Hameed
Burns
Malan
Root
Stokes
Lawrence
Butler
Woakes
Robinson
Broad
Anderson

1. Absolutely not. I�d rather see Peter Moores have a third attempt than continue with Silverwood, and his jobs for the boys, take the credit when we win/hide away when we lose act.
2. Yes. Crawley. Plus Crawley can actually catch.
3. Yes. It is obvious that Root doesn�t trust Leach. It�s very rare that the opposition go after Root when he bowls. If we were to play an out-and-our spinner again during this series I would call up Parky.
4. No. Controversial opinion alert� I think Stokes has to bowl to be worthy of a place in the team. Yes he�s had some fabulous innings over the years, but there hasn�t been so many of them that he is indispensable as a batsman only.
5. At first I thought Pope looked the real deal, but I�m now starting to think he may be style over substance. That said, if we see Lawrence back in an England shirt then we really have hit rock bottom.

2nd test team:
Hameed
Crawley
Malan
Root
Pope
Stokes
Buttler
Robinson
Wood/Bess
Broad
Anderson

billyb · « **Reply #261 on:** December 12, 2021, 10:12:41 PM »

A Lions game for Pope might be no bad thing. Bracey scored 100 for them this week, and Foakes got 70 odd.

Bairstow, Crawley, Lawrence are all higher in the pecking order though I guess. I don't think Bracey would be a bad shout.

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #262 on:** December 12, 2021, 10:51:35 PM »

Quote from: billyb on December 12, 2021, 10:12:41 PM

A Lions game for Pope might be no bad thing. Bracey scored 100 for them this week, and Foakes got 70 odd.

Bairstow, Crawley, Lawrence are all higher in the pecking order though I guess. I don't think Bracey would be a bad shout.

I think it's so important to select batsmen on form. Get Bracey and Foakes in as soon as possible. Not sure where they would bat, mind you!! Can anyone else open except for Crawley? Lees and Yates are on tour, but I don't know much about them.

Even pausing to make changes until after the 2nd test could be too late. Im sure the stats of teams recovering to win a series after going down 0-2 are damning.

six and out · « **Reply #263 on:** December 13, 2021, 06:51:18 AM »

Quote from: Devondumpling00 on December 12, 2021, 10:51:35 PM

I think it's so important to select batsmen on form. Get Bracey and Foakes in as soon as possible. Not sure where they would bat, mind you!! Can anyone else open except for Crawley? Lees and Yates are on tour, but I don't know much about them.

Even pausing to make changes until after the 2nd test could be too late. Im sure the stats of teams recovering to win a series after going down 0-2 are damning.

Pope reminds me so much of Bell in the early days, very frenetic sometimes and if he calms down can play some wonderful strokes, he may end up like Bell being in and out of the team before feeling settled and more experienced with his game etc....

golders · « **Reply #264 on:** December 13, 2021, 07:43:26 AM »

Is Ollie Pope the new Mark Ramprakashor Graeme Hick? Sounds like this discussion has already started.

I think Ollie Pope will come good this Ashes. I like Ollie hence why on first name terms with him.

Jimbo · « **Reply #265 on:** December 13, 2021, 08:37:17 AM »

Easy to forget the struggles Pope has had with injury, he's missed a lot of cricket and had to come back from some pretty serious injuries already but he's still got one of the best FC averages around.

I would back him to come good at 6 and potentially move up in future but he needs to be backed by England management. Have to imagine he would have quite a few more runs if he was batting in a team with a better top order too.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #266 on:** December 13, 2021, 10:34:59 AM »

They will not go outside the selected squad unless there are injuries.

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #267 on:** December 13, 2021, 11:03:45 AM »

Quote from: golders on December 13, 2021, 07:43:26 AM

Is Ollie Pope the new Mark Ramprakashor Graeme Hick? Sounds like this discussion has already started.

I think Ollie Pope will come good this Ashes. I like Ollie hence why on first name terms with him.

I really want Pope to succeed. Batting him at 6 for England like he does for Surrey should be working miracles for him. One gripe I had with management was their temptation to play batsmen in their unnatural order. In theory, at 6 Pope should face an old ball, with a score on the board and could capitalize on it. We know that barely happens with this team.

I think he'll come good too, but to play devil's advocate, he's had a fair shot. He's only played 9 less tests than Burns, 1 less than Sibley and 6 more than Crawley. All of which have had their selection questioned playing a more difficult role, and have been used as a scapegoat for the teams multitude of issues. Pope is still in this team based on potential. Will potential win you a test in the Ashes?

ppccopener · « **Reply #268 on:** December 13, 2021, 12:10:01 PM »

Quote from: golders on December 13, 2021, 07:43:26 AM

Is Ollie Pope the new Mark Ramprakashor Graeme Hick? Sounds like this discussion has already started.

I think Ollie Pope will come good this Ashes. I like Ollie hence why on first name terms with him.

I think he is the real deal in that middle order slot, Crawley I think will make it too he has an all round game.

The problem is if Crawley or Lawrence play in this series it will be on the back of virtually no games since the end of our season. The option of going back to Bairstow is possible but not favourite without some of us on here�

Burns is a tricky one because neither Pope Lawrence or Crawley can bat that high.

The only thing we might do is if Burns keeps failing Malan could open leaving a slot for Bairstow or one of the young batters.

But I can see Burns playing the whole series as we are short on options.

I actually think Crawley may have the game for bouncier pitches�potentially.

stamper · « **Reply #269 on:** December 13, 2021, 12:26:19 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on December 12, 2021, 06:01:32 PM

I have questions:

1) Is Silverwood an International quality coach
2) Is there really any better option to Burns opening at the moment?
3) Is Root a better spin option than Leach?
4) Should we play Stokes as a batter only at 5?
5) I Pope really the real deal, or looking at the averages, do you pick Lawrence to come good and the second part-time spinner?

1) Big no. Talks a good game. Actions speak differently.
2) Leach. He has rich history as an opener, and also in hanging around as an 11, wearing out the bowlers.
3) Yes, because Leach been royally fcked over by Silverwood in the run up. So Leach in as a batsman only.
4) No. The opposite. Stokes is the messiah. Get him in to bat, bowl, keep, 2nd slip, deep cover. and manage.
5) Batting Stokes at 5 & 6 is the best plan obvs. If the oppo have issues with that, then send Stokes round to sort it.

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