Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90853 times)

LockieEP · « **Reply #510 on:** December 21, 2021, 12:10:31 PM »

Quote from: Devondumpling00 on December 21, 2021, 11:54:20 AM

Shows how little there is coming through. Jake Libby should get a shot at opening. Obviously won't happen this series, but for next summer can we pick batsmen who are in form please selectors?!

Isn't this the issue....championship played April/May and end of Summer so who is actually in form come June/July/August? For the Ashes none of the red ball players would have batted since September and no meaningful warm up practice.

Also,as much as I love the heroics of Leach and his "legend" status not sure he is up to the job so who out there in county cricket land is?

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #511 on:** December 21, 2021, 12:29:46 PM »

Quote from: LockieEP on December 21, 2021, 12:10:31 PM

Isn't this the issue....championship played April/May and end of Summer so who is actually in form come June/July/August? For the Ashes none of the red ball players would have batted since September and no meaningful warm up practice.

Also,as much as I love the heroics of Leach and his "legend" status not sure he is up to the job so who out there in county cricket land is?

I agree, something should be done about the scheduling. Our test team is suffering because of it. I don't blame batsmen who travel the world playing for franchises or focus on the shorter formats, maybe there should be a larger incentive for First Class batsmen and bowlers? The other thing that needs to change is warm up games when touring abroad. Enough of these intra-squad 2x 2 day games to warm up for a 5 test match series. Take test cricket seriously if you want to be good at it, dont cut corners on warm up games and expect to jump right into form come ball one.

And on selection...

Personally, I'm at a point where I don't care who we select, so long as there is a breath of fresh air. Burns has had his chance, Sibley too, Pope, Bairstow, all the guys like that. When the summer tests roll around, there are people who will be doing well in the county championship. If you can score runs in April and May, you can score runs in July and August. It feels like a vicious cycle at the moment with the constant regurgitation of batsmen who have already failed. Like mentioned previously, Bairstow averages 24 since 2018, sorry Jonny, thats not good enough, lets see whos next. Burns isn't in form, lets try Crawley etc etc.

six and out · « **Reply #512 on:** December 21, 2021, 12:36:13 PM »

This is so funny its actually beyond a joke.

The Ashes: England coach Chris Silverwood says he would pick same teams again for first two Tests - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59739472

alexhilly1492 · « **Reply #513 on:** December 21, 2021, 12:36:30 PM »

Quote from: Rez on December 20, 2021, 10:54:13 PM

Test 78 138 8 4381 167* 33.70 8031 54.55 6 22 517 28 195 13
Test 22 38 4 1013 135* 29.79 1990 50.90 1 6 115 2 22 0

looking at one season means nothing....

Pope hasn't had anything to worry about other than scoring runs and not playing ridiculous shots. Hmmmm, how has that been working out.

You're right one season means nothing take out Jonny's 2016 and he's been ordinary

ppccopener · « **Reply #514 on:** December 21, 2021, 12:55:17 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 21, 2021, 12:36:13 PM

This is so funny its actually beyond a joke.

The Ashes: England coach Chris Silverwood says he would pick same teams again for first two Tests - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59739472

It�s staggering reading with every commentator and a lot of fans thinking we had 2 wrong teams why Silverwood thinks nothing is wrong

We have bigger problems than we thought! Root if he is to remain Captain needs a good experienced coach to work with
What we have now is not working

Rez · « **Reply #515 on:** December 21, 2021, 02:05:32 PM »

Sadly, the reality is that we just don't have much of a squad to chose from. It's a valid point that whoever isn't selected seems to be a good option again until the next time they are and then the merry go round continues.

Sack Silverwood, rebuild from grass roots and we may be able to compete again in 10 years if Test cricket survives that long.

golders · « **Reply #516 on:** December 21, 2021, 02:49:56 PM »

Silverwood is going to carry the can for this I reckon.
It's not just his fault. He has mostly average players, especially batters and spinners,to work with.

We had one good crop of real test match quality batsmen in Cook, Strauss,Bell,KP, Trescothick,Vaughan,Trott.

Since then only really Root,and the rest are mediocre,with flashes of brilliance or good seasons. Plus there is chopping and changing again like in the 90's

Harrison has a lot to answer for I reckon.

Manormanic · « **Reply #517 on:** December 21, 2021, 05:00:53 PM »

I do totally accept that Silverwood has had a tricky task in the Test arena, in that the long form of the game is not getting the right environment to flourish within the domestic game, ergo we are not really seeing the volume of players come through, and those that do often have techniques adapted to the particular rigours of playing on a damp green top in sub Arctic winds!

The other side to that is, the minimum you would expect from a coach is that they make the best of what they have available to them, and it is manifestly clear that he is not doing that. The blame does lie at his door for the wrongheaded selection of both Test sides, as it must for picking a squad which is nothing more than four years older than when it failed last time round - in a not dissimilar position in 1999 Duncan Fletcher picked on character and managed to bring Michael Vaughan and Marcus Trescothick into the side (okay, he also tried Chris Adams and Gavin Hamilton but hey, by current standards they don't look *that* bad a pair of selections!) - where was the call to bring Mahmood, Garton or Parkinson this time? Or to promote someone like Matt Fisher when he looked like a massive handful in the Lions game?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #518 on:** December 21, 2021, 07:22:41 PM »

Silverwood likes to play it safe. He is the cricket version of Gareth Southgate, minus the ability to admit when has gotten things wrong.

ppccopener · « **Reply #519 on:** December 21, 2021, 07:34:16 PM »

Seeing a seamer bowl offies and still not admitting we should of had a spinner in the side beggars belief.

And those on here saying forget the bowling our batting is awful�you are all right.

However did anyone read Pointings remarks when Root said we bowled too short�he�s right we did

Who is responsible for telling bowlers their length is wrong

The bowlers should know replace them If they can�t
The coach
The Captain.

My gut feeling is Root we know is not a good Captain but is he being hampered by senior players?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #520 on:** December 21, 2021, 07:42:17 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 21, 2021, 07:34:16 PM

Seeing a seamer bowl offies and still not admitting we should of had a spinner in the side beggars belief.

And those on here saying forget the bowling our batting is awful�you are all right.

However did anyone read Pointings remarks when Root said we bowled too short�he�s right we did

Who is responsible for telling bowlers their length is wrong

The bowlers should know replace them If they can�t
The coach
The Captain.

My gut feeling is Root we know is not a good Captain but is he being hampered by senior players?

He�s a terrible captain, but also a weak one too. If your bowlers won�t listen to you and bowl in the way you want them to, then you are well within your rights to haul them off. He won�t do that for fear of upsetting the applecart.

Kulli · « **Reply #521 on:** December 21, 2021, 09:07:07 PM »

I�m not a Root fan, as captain, but to be fair Robinson only bowled offies when Root was off the field. Part of the issue with Leach is that they have so many lefties. If Robinson bowling offies was the best option for a over or two then why not. Though I get that it does give the press en easy stick to beat them with.

rickjames · « **Reply #522 on:** December 22, 2021, 01:57:04 PM »

Sounds like Crawley, Leach, Bairstow and Wood are going to get a look in

SD · « **Reply #523 on:** December 22, 2021, 03:01:57 PM »

I would go with

1. Hameed
2. Crawley
3. Mallan
4. Root
5. Stokes
6. Bairstow
7. Butler
8. Robinson
9. Wood
10. Anderson
11. Leach

The tail is long but any runs Woakes is scoring don't outweigh his lack of contribution with the ball

Jimbo · « **Reply #524 on:** December 22, 2021, 03:29:07 PM »

That but with Lawrence for Bairstow IMO. Bairstow has been poor against decent pace bowling with a red ball for a long time now.

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