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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #780 on: December 28, 2021, 08:01:10 AM »

What a beautiful win and to see a Victorian bury the Poms at the G! Priceless.
These Pommie tears will be very satisfying.
Let’s get that 5-0 again.

Congratulations mate. Aussies have been far and away the better side and have dished us out a well deserved mauling. Welcome to the forum btw!
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« Reply #781 on: December 28, 2021, 08:06:38 AM »

I actually feel for the players a little. They're just not good enough at present, haven't been prepared for this and are facing an extremely high class Aussie attack on home soil. Extremely difficult to come back once they had us on the rack. That said, you'd expect more fight but i do have some sympathy, as professional sportsman i can't have that they're not trying. The issues here run deeper than the captain and players for me. This will take sometime to put right i fear.
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« Reply #782 on: December 28, 2021, 08:51:21 AM »

Ribbing aside, there’s not that much disparity between the sides if everyone is honest.
We have Warner, Marnus and Smith offset by Harris, Head, Green and Carey. Smith hasn’t really shown up so far.
England are heavily reliant on Root and Malan has been solid at times.
Both bowling attacks are of similar quality, but England make poor selections that hindered them in all three tests. Broad missing out in Brisbane and Melbourne beggars belief.
As an Aussie, I’d love to say “we are back” but just 11 months ago this same team got outclassed by an Indian side picking randoms out of nowhere.
India/New Zealand are the benchmark that everyone else needs to match.
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« Reply #783 on: December 28, 2021, 09:14:10 AM »

Ribbing aside, there’s not that much disparity between the sides if everyone is honest.
We have Warner, Marnus and Smith offset by Harris, Head, Green and Carey. Smith hasn’t really shown up so far.
England are heavily reliant on Root and Malan has been solid at times.
Both bowling attacks are of similar quality, but England make poor selections that hindered them in all three tests. Broad missing out in Brisbane and Melbourne beggars belief.
As an Aussie, I’d love to say “we are back” but just 11 months ago this same team got outclassed by an Indian side picking randoms out of nowhere.
India/New Zealand are the benchmark that everyone else needs to match.

The Aussies have a few bankers batting wise, England really only have one in Root. Same with the bowling department,you have guys like Cummins who is absolutely brilliant,Stark has had a good series. And the strength in depth in the bowling department has been impressive. And a quality spinner. The English bowling attack looks a bit tired and toothless,hardly surprising as they never have a rest.Australia field well and take catches, have been ruthless and are super confident.

The two sides are polar opposites at the moment
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #784 on: December 28, 2021, 10:35:55 AM »

That new chap 'Extras' has batted quite well in Tests for us this year. Third highest scorer with 412...proper village!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #785 on: December 28, 2021, 10:55:54 AM »

For me the key factor of ending up losing so badly, is the opening partnership!
They took all the positives from 1st Delivery of this Ashes, convincing themselves, this Ashes is theirs!
When you keep losing 2 wickets cheaply, in no time, then there's huge burden on the rest of the batters!
What's the total openers have scored in the laat 6 inning?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #786 on: December 28, 2021, 11:17:42 AM »

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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #787 on: December 28, 2021, 11:56:16 AM »

We have supposedly been preparing 2 years for this.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #788 on: December 28, 2021, 12:00:31 PM »

We have supposedly been preparing 2 years for this.

Giles also said after the 50 over win test cricket would be given priority, that and the planning for this series are two huge lies told by those who run the game.

Management have go to be replaced I’ve got no issue with the players. We know they are not good enough.
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« Reply #789 on: December 28, 2021, 12:08:40 PM »

Giles also said after the 50 over win test cricket would be given priority, that and the planning for this series are two huge lies told by those who run the game.

Management have go to be replaced I’ve got no issue with the players. We know they are not good enough.

I agree the players aren’t good enough to match Australia. But there are some talented players here too. It’s up to management to get the most out of a player, that’s pretty much their job description. Under the right management group I think one or two of the players in the squad might come good.

That’s obviously just my opinion and major changes still need to be made to the scheduling and the core players. I don’t know how this group of players can get the monkey off their shoulders. It’s not possible but I’d be inclined to just replace the 10 (minus root) for the final 2 tests and see if the English lads in the Big Bash want a test and tell them just to play with freedom.

Surely that can’t be worse than 68 all out.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #790 on: December 28, 2021, 12:15:04 PM »

68!?!?!?!?!?

We are terrible.
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« Reply #791 on: December 28, 2021, 12:26:31 PM »

I agree the players aren’t good enough to match Australia. But there are some talented players here too. It’s up to management to get the most out of a player, that’s pretty much their job description. Under the right management group I think one or two of the players in the squad might come good.

That’s obviously just my opinion and major changes still need to be made to the scheduling and the core players. I don’t know how this group of players can get the monkey off their shoulders. It’s not possible but I’d be inclined to just replace the 10 (minus root) for the final 2 tests and see if the English lads in the Big Bash want a test and tell them just to play with freedom.

Surely that can’t be worse than 68 all out.

Your right it is a management role to get the best out of the players we have but replacing them with short form names will not build a side for tests.

As much as this may not make any sense now I would still pick the young batsmen, our bowling seems the best compared to batting over the last couple of years.

I would keep these and hopefully the come good, I cannot see any other option

Malan has done ok
Hameed
Crawley
Lawrence
Pope
Sibley
Root
Stokes

Out go
Butler
Bairstow
Burns

Keeper Foakes.

I don’t actually think Crawley is an opening bat but Malan could move up.

There is no way Root can manage on his own, we need a good coach to guide young players.

Silverwood and Giles have simply got to go.

That’s what I think anyway, we have actually got worse as a team over the last 2 years
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #792 on: December 28, 2021, 12:53:51 PM »

Gary Kirsten in to run the red ball team, Farbrace in to run the white ball.

Bring back a chief selector but have different selection and scouting teams for red and white ball - skillsets and knowledge required are so different now.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #793 on: December 28, 2021, 01:13:51 PM »

Gary Kirsten in to run the red ball team, Farbrace in to run the white ball.

Bring back a chief selector but have different selection and scouting teams for red and white ball - skillsets and knowledge required are so different now.

Yes agree with that. The system of County cricket will not change, one day cricket is financially too big, so it’s got to be worked around.

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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #794 on: December 28, 2021, 01:23:21 PM »

Gary Kirsten in to run the red ball team, Farbrace in to run the white ball.

Bring back a chief selector but have different selection and scouting teams for red and white ball - skillsets and knowledge required are so different now.

Absolutely this.... I would add....

Buttler to go to white ball only, to then become captain when Morgan retires.

ECB to beg Strauss to return after sacking off Giles.

Mo Bobat to also get the boot , he couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery! If you have listened to Aggers TMS podcast about Preparation for the Ashes, he is on that talking so much and literally nothing happened.

One of the Blast or the 100 to be binned, can't have both as takes up too much time in the peak of summer, but the Counties need 1 of them for revenue. Preferably the one which is the shortest for the most pay back. Leaving more time at the right time for the CC.
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