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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #60 on: February 24, 2023, 04:09:30 PM »
Forget the keeping for a moment.
What Root and Foakes provide is balance to all the stroke players. You can't pick 7 one dimensional batters.

Bairstow is clearly a class player and I suspect the approach will be pick the best keeper and best batsman and somehow work out the batting order from that.

Crawley will likely score runs in the second innings here too...
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #61 on: February 24, 2023, 04:09:49 PM »
Yeah you’re right actually I was a bit loathe to suggest Brook opening. Will be interesting to see who they do go with assuming Bairstow is fit. Stokes to show his big cajones perhaps and just get on with it.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #62 on: February 24, 2023, 04:53:26 PM »
Stokes with license against a hard new ball that travels off the bat doesn't sound fun to bowl to. Wouldn't hate that at all!

@Buzz bold call suggesting England will need to bat twice 😅 touch wood...
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #63 on: February 24, 2023, 07:02:58 PM »
Quote from: SD on February 24, 2023, 03:00:31 PM
Assuming Bairstow is fit for the summer, he has to play given his recent record which means Foakes makes way. Foakes has a couple of nice test hundreds against off spin but he isn't a test match batsman against pace bowling which is what Australia will bring this summer

Sometimes I read stuff posted on here and just scratch my head thinking I’m seeing something one way, others see something completely different.

You need a gutsy player somewhere in the order with a brain who can read the game. Foakes seems to still be seen as weakening the batting when he is picked.

It’s absolutely baffling….
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #64 on: February 24, 2023, 07:52:34 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on February 24, 2023, 07:02:58 PM
Sometimes I read stuff posted on here and just scratch my head thinking I’m seeing something one way, others see something completely different.

You need a gutsy player somewhere in the order with a brain who can read the game. Foakes seems to still be seen as weakening the batting when he is picked.

It’s absolutely baffling….

I'd keep Foakes personally, but if it was a straight shoot out between Bairstow and Foakes, purely as a batsman, you can't surely rate Foakes higher? 

I'm not saying I'd drop him, but Bairstow is a better batter imo
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #65 on: February 24, 2023, 07:59:03 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on February 24, 2023, 04:09:30 PM
Forget the keeping for a moment.
What Root and Foakes provide is balance to all the stroke players. You can't pick 7 one dimensional batters.

Bairstow is clearly a class player and I suspect the approach will be pick the best keeper and best batsman and somehow work out the batting order from that.

Crawley will likely score runs in the second innings here too...

Agree with all of the above #Buzzball
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #66 on: February 24, 2023, 08:05:00 PM »
Think people are just presumably Barstow after all this time out will come back in and scores hundreds from the off. Even Root has had a lean spell until last game. We all need to enjoy the ride, I for one can remember the dark days of us the worst team in the world!
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #67 on: February 24, 2023, 08:14:30 PM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on February 24, 2023, 08:11:07 AM
Classic CBF

I am sorry - I couldn't help it.

Looking forward to tonight. Hope Brook gets 200.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #68 on: February 24, 2023, 08:16:40 PM »
Quote from: jonny77 on February 24, 2023, 07:52:34 PM
I'd keep Foakes personally, but if it was a straight shoot out between Bairstow and Foakes, purely as a batsman, you can't surely rate Foakes higher? 

I'm not saying I'd drop him, but Bairstow is a better batter imo

If it’s purely as a batsman Bairstow is the better player. I cannot see JB taking the gloves again as it’s not the position he last played in and has had a broken leg or ankle.

I don’t see the comparison as they are not playing for one place.

When Bairstow comes back and he’s been in great form until the injury he has to displace a batsman.

Difficult I can see exactly who unless there is a shuffling of the order but they will have to so he plays. Foakes is the keeper batsman.

If I was to guess I’d say Pope could move up
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #69 on: February 24, 2023, 08:50:01 PM »
Nighthawk to open the batting, get your bets placed now.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #70 on: February 24, 2023, 09:36:53 PM »
Have to say that’s one of the most enjoyable things about the new positive play. Broad is perfect as well as he cannot survive defensively but he can hit and he takes on the short ball.

Just occasionally and I do mean occasionally he reminds me of his Dad thru the offside.
 
Good batsman his Dad was too
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #71 on: February 24, 2023, 09:40:37 PM »
Gutted for Brook, that's a phenomenal grab.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #72 on: February 25, 2023, 03:10:04 AM »
If Leach was an alpha-male or idk had the attitude of Swann/Warne etc, nobody would question his place in the side.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #73 on: February 25, 2023, 07:51:27 AM »
Wouldn't be the hero he is without his glasses polishing though!
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2023, 09:41:55 AM »
Quote from: ppccopener on February 24, 2023, 08:16:40 PM
If it’s purely as a batsman Bairstow is the better player. I cannot see JB taking the gloves again as it’s not the position he last played in and has had a broken leg or ankle.

I don’t see the comparison as they are not playing for one place.

When Bairstow comes back and he’s been in great form until the injury he has to displace a batsman.

Difficult I can see exactly who unless there is a shuffling of the order but they will have to so he plays. Foakes is the keeper batsman.

If I was to guess I’d say Pope could move up

It would appear somewhat baffling to me to find it odd to suggest picking a man who had played 49 tests as a wicket keeper to keep wicket but then suggest moving a guy who hasn't opened the batting in professional cricket to open in a test match
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