Topic: Careers Cut Short Before Their Prime? (Read 9893 times)

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #15 on:** October 28, 2023, 07:07:12 PM »

I�d add Alec Tudor into that mix from memory seemed to by a very talented bowling all rounder before being struck by Brett Lee and don�t think he played again after that at international level

ppccopener · « **Reply #16 on:** October 28, 2023, 07:27:54 PM »

I played against a good friend of Carberrys a few years ago. He said he certainly felt hard done by after that Ashes tour. He has also been very outspoken about the ECB and the lack of confidence he has regarding dealing with racism in the game. State school educated he made it thru against the normal routes that are private schools.

There would be a few openers around the Strauss Cook era who could of played but that was a very strong opening pair.

As far as players who could of played more games but didn�t you could have Martin Bicknell who was pretty much injury free.

I think bowling wise I would have Steve Finn-not the most talented but had pace and let�s be honest�England handled him exceptionally badly.

billyb · « **Reply #17 on:** October 29, 2023, 01:40:32 AM »

Foakes.

SD · « **Reply #18 on:** October 29, 2023, 10:02:03 AM »

Carberry was unlucky that his peak years came when England had its most stable opening partnership for a number of generations in Strauss and Cook. He was a late developer having failed at Surrey and Kent, there wasn't an opening when he was playing at his best, then when an opportunity finally arose, he was 34 and past his best. In any other period he could have had a good international career

Manormanic · « **Reply #19 on:** October 29, 2023, 10:21:06 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on October 28, 2023, 02:09:53 PM

Carberry getting axed was pretty brutal, one of the only players to give a good account of himself that tour.

His face never seemed to fit - good, quality batsman, could bat anywhere, gun fielder...

FattusCattus · « **Reply #20 on:** October 30, 2023, 11:53:37 AM »

I think maybe Malan could've had a better run in the test side.

Manormanic · « **Reply #21 on:** October 30, 2023, 09:18:16 PM »

So, I did an "if only" side at work today. This is what I came up with:

Martyn Moxon
Michael Carberry
David Sales
Jim Love/Roland Butcher
Ben Foakes
Craig White
James Foster
Liam Dawson
Toby Roland-Jones
Dean Headley
Paul Hutchison

Manormanic · « **Reply #22 on:** October 30, 2023, 09:18:49 PM »

And yes, I did just posit Ben Foakes as a specialist bat.

SD · « **Reply #23 on:** October 31, 2023, 12:47:15 AM »

I can't find out the answer to the question which English pmayer has scored the most first class runs without playing a test match but I can't imagine that anyone has surpassed James Hildrith's 18,000 first class runs.

ch1p · « **Reply #24 on:** October 31, 2023, 07:08:38 AM »

This could be a little bit of a rogue shout because he achieved so much. But I think Liam Plunkett was given the chop from the England side far too early.

He used to have so much control from what I remember, scored some handy runs at the back end and then was all of a sudden not selected, not even in squads.

Buzz · « **Reply #25 on:** October 31, 2023, 08:46:14 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on October 30, 2023, 09:18:49 PM

And yes, I did just posit Ben Foakes as a specialist bat.

Hildreth and Glenn Chapple should/could be in that team too.

To be fair Craig White played loads and had a decent career under Duncan Fletcher, I don't think he qualifies for this list...

billyb · « **Reply #26 on:** October 31, 2023, 12:31:53 PM »

I remember that Swann felt like he missed out on a few years of playing for England because he upset a coach or selectors. He was quite scathing about who was playing for England ahead of him - maybe Udal? I can't really remember.

billyb · « **Reply #27 on:** October 31, 2023, 12:33:44 PM »

Oh, and Jofra Archer.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #28 on:** October 31, 2023, 03:00:43 PM »

A lot of these players had/ have had lengthy, fulfilled careers that wete not cut short at all. Perhaps the title of the thread should be "Ought to have played for England more"?

ppccopener · « **Reply #29 on:** October 31, 2023, 03:54:55 PM »

Quote from: billyb on October 31, 2023, 12:31:53 PM

I remember that Swann felt like he missed out on a few years of playing for England because he upset a coach or selectors. He was quite scathing about who was playing for England ahead of him - maybe Udal? I can't really remember.

You�re right except he also said he was right not to be picked before because by his own admission he was a colossal bell end when he first started getting success.

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