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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #60 on: November 28, 2023, 06:22:08 PM »

Demand, when demand outstrips supply and people are scrabbling around for it you can charge what u like 😳

Do you mean demand for willow, rather than cricket bats themselves?
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #61 on: November 28, 2023, 06:44:54 PM »

Do you mean demand for willow, rather than cricket bats themselves?

Yes everyone in the industry who makes bats is after more, how do u scale a business to make more of something if the raw material to make in from isn’t something you can obtain readily/quickly with no guarantee on grade until you’ve waited 20 years to chop it down.

Due to the shortage prices for it have gone up and people and now acting as willow merchants to make a margin simply buying and selling on the clefts.


As Johnny says overheads have increased in the UK drastically (my cricket clubs electric/gas bill went up £8k last year!) so these costs increase along with the raw materials themselves. So the end product will cost more as a result before going through the 1/2/3 or even 4 stages of mark up.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #62 on: November 28, 2023, 06:58:46 PM »

I wonder though if in the uk demand is less because of affordability this year ?
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #63 on: November 28, 2023, 08:23:51 PM »

It doesn't seem to me that the rapid escalation in prices is likely to abate any time soon. One supplier has an effective monopoly on the raw material, there is an exponential explosion in demand from the Indian market and the time it takes from planting a tree to selling it is a significant barrier to new suppliers entering the market.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #64 on: November 28, 2023, 08:35:36 PM »

Can only lead to a couple of things

Ppl buying less and buying lower grades

As well as more fakes and Serbian willow and other willows coming into the market

As well as combined willow

I don’t see how the demographic in uk unless cricket is made up mainly wealthy people can continue buying at this they did in the past with the increases

Some companies will go under it seems
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« Reply #65 on: November 28, 2023, 08:48:16 PM »

I wonder though if in the uk demand is less because of affordability this year ?

Think a large part of it is although the Asian market has got more expensive in recent years people still get attracted by the top grade top specs that they produce certainly the specs to @Jonnys point 2lb 9oz gauge fillers they do produce and the majority don’t realise it’s 104mm wide maybe 100-102 at the back angled edges, thin handle and god knows what under all the stickers. Now please don’t get me wrong there are plenty of good and great bats that come from that part of the world but the amount of people that get a bat that they either know to be Asian made or believe is uk when it’s imported and then expect the same specs from a genuine uk maker is nuts.

Costs are rising that’s for sure clefts are now twice 2021 prices, handles are more expensive.

As for the prices of main stream bats they are crazy but brands advertising works. As people still pay it just for stickers. £650
For a Keeley or £400 for a Keeley with other stickers. £550-£650 for a G1 from GM/GN/Kook etc and I say G1 as I’m going to say it until I die there is no such thing as pro grade just nicer G1 it’s still a G1 or £300-£350 for a G1 from a small independent. The difference very often is the stickers
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #66 on: November 28, 2023, 09:38:15 PM »

The 2017 bat regulations haven't helped the situation at all. I am not convinced there was ever a real issue that needed to be addressed. The biggest consequence seems to be a fixation on measurements that wasn't there before. It is a rational response though to seek the biggest bat permissable if you are being told that the advantage of bigger bats is such that the law makers have been left with no option to limit them
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #67 on: November 28, 2023, 09:41:15 PM »

Do you mean demand for willow, rather than cricket bats themselves?
Unfortunately some people are controlling 60-70% of all the willows in the world and dictating the price for it.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #68 on: November 28, 2023, 09:50:30 PM »

What about GN and Gm
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #69 on: November 28, 2023, 10:06:58 PM »

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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #70 on: November 28, 2023, 10:10:09 PM »

They grow their own willow don’t they ?

Have they had big increases from 21 onwards ?
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #71 on: November 28, 2023, 11:18:06 PM »

They grow their own willow don’t they ?

Have they had big increases from 21 onwards ?

Even if their willow prices hadn't directly increased, the cost of growing and harvesting willow will have shot up - electricity for machinery, fuel for vehicles, wage rises for staff, etc.

Wouldn't say that either GM or GN had hugely increased prices but they've probably gone up about in line with general market trends?

The other consideration will be the cost of player sponsorship which I imagine will have risen due to inflation.
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #72 on: November 28, 2023, 11:25:42 PM »

Not sure but gN have way more sponsored players than Gm

Depends on how the contracts are structured performances alongside appearances

Perhaps why Gm are reasonable is because of the lack of sponsored players …on the g1 downwards 909 etc
And perhaps subsidise their bats business with other businesses not sure

Gn from just looking at the moment seem more expansive than GM but maybe have more sponsorship costs ..
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2023, 05:53:03 AM »

Don’t buy a bat from Etsy, that should be day 1, morning session of CBF basic training
Having used 100s of bats over 35+ years of cricket the obsession with G1 willow is PURELY aesthetic and nothing to do with performance.
The carbon footprint of U.K. willow that has been shipped back and forth to India should be massively taxed
If price is a factor then a well made, well balanced and well pressed lower grade from any of the guys contributing in this thread will be more than enough for even the most elite CBF batter.
Good looking but cr@ppy made, versus minger made by trusted craftsman has a very clear winner
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Re: Etsy custom bat order
« Reply #74 on: November 29, 2023, 07:08:08 AM »

I wonder how much of the price hikes from the big brands are due to the market in other sports, particularly golf. I know plenty of people who will drop a grand on a set of irons just because Tiger McIlroy uses them. Surely there's going to be a similar market for those £800 a pop SS SKY replicas.
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