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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #15 on: December 01, 2010, 08:32:22 PM »

Honestly, I thought those were perfectly and looked £320 bat without any doubt. I am not too sure about its performance but lookwise it was definately looking like a £320+ bat. The only good bat with similar grains I have seen in my life is Laver but again that Laver is almost double the price of this bat.

to me it looked like it was premium willow bat and definately looks like the 1% one.

I do too, I'm just playing Devil's advocate. The not-overly-positive response that they gained did nothing to put me off my quest, but it does open up a good debate. It is a fascinating subject that few who have answers seem willing to get involved in, and I've noticed batmakers reading this thread.

Let us not get too hung up on looks alone though. A respected forum member I'm sure would tell you density is more of a factor, and grains are really not important. So forgetting all else for a moment, it should be said that no matter how good these super bats are, part of it is us wanting something pretty too.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #16 on: December 01, 2010, 08:33:29 PM »

Guess its a law of averages...if we sold 200 bats a year 2 of them might come out looking like the legend examples you posted. If your making 40,000 bats a year 400 might turn out to be like this.

As mentioned above the boys of here might get lucky and land one which i think they should charge accordingly for in order to cash in on their luck so to speak.

You can't force a tree to produce a cleft with 16+ perfectly straight grains as its a natural product that has its own agenda....therefore when a true beauty does come along a limited edition is obviously an attractive option to maximise profits as the raw willow wont have cost any extra or the bat making process.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #17 on: December 01, 2010, 08:42:09 PM »

Guess its a law of averages...if we sold 200 bats a year 2 of them might come out looking like the legend examples you posted. If your making 40,000 bats a year 400 might turn out to be like this.

As mentioned above the boys of here might get lucky and land one which i think they should charge accordingly for in order to cash in on their luck so to speak.

You can't force a tree to produce a cleft with 16+ perfectly straight grains as its a natural product that has its own agenda....therefore when a true beauty does come along a limited edition is obviously an attractive option to maximise profits as the raw willow wont have cost any extra or the bat making process.

Plus of course all that assumes everyone is on the straight and narrow, that everyone gets the same mix of quality, that the super stuff isn't cherry picked. I have no proof for it, of course, but hell, if I could sell a cleft for double the normal, I'd be motivated to look for them.

Good point about nature too. This year there could be none, as I said earlier, nature doesn't do straight lines and sub millimetre perfect spacings...
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #18 on: December 01, 2010, 08:52:50 PM »

its all pot luck what stunning clefts you get from wrights !the 1% rule is spot on really, it all depends what is avaliable . To produce a cleft with 20+ grains has to be 40 year old + trees bloody hard to find! the value to a grower would be to cut the tree as soon as the min 56'' is ready ,to get his money why leave for another 20 years? The tighter older trees are normally the plantations that have been forgoten about over the years.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #19 on: December 01, 2010, 08:55:48 PM »

its all pot luck what stunning clefts you get from wrights !the 1% rule is spot on really, it all depends what is avaliable . To produce a cleft with 20+ grains has to be 40 year old + trees bloody hard to find! the value to a grower would be to cut the tree as soon as the min 56'' is ready ,to get his money why leave for another 20 years? The tighter older trees are normally the plantations that have been forgoten about over the years.

Thankyou Matt, I was hoping you would reply. I'd not considered it from that point of view. This is exactly why I wanted someone in the know to get involved.

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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #20 on: December 01, 2010, 10:53:11 PM »

I'm sure every bat maker has the odd wonder cleft, I'd be surprised if any of the bat makers (bar GM) on here sell over 300-500 bats a year. In which case they'd only get a couple of them a year, unless as Tom says they have their own trees or are on very good terms with a willow baron. In which case they'll have a few more.

i can conform CHASE sold over 500 bats last season oh sorry he does not advertise on here
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #21 on: December 01, 2010, 11:08:25 PM »

i can conform CHASE sold over 500 bats last season oh sorry he does not advertise on here

Does Chase make a super premium model?
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #22 on: December 01, 2010, 11:13:12 PM »

they make 10 ranges and 3 models mate but this forum is not the place to discuss Chase bud it a forum for the sponsors and not Chase there many good bats from the sponsors bud
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #23 on: December 01, 2010, 11:15:50 PM »

they make 10 ranges and 3 models mate but this forum is not the place to discuss Chase bud it a forum for the sponsors and not Chase there many good bats from the sponsors bud

I thought it was a forum to talk about all cricket equipment ????
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #24 on: December 01, 2010, 11:17:13 PM »

ok yes they make a special premium model but as i have said there are some very good bats of this forum


Chase new premier model has not been released yet
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #25 on: December 01, 2010, 11:20:13 PM »

I'm not sure what your intentions are but it is clear you didn't post in this thread to add to the conversation. If you have a problem with the way the forum is run, I'm sure the Admins would be happy to listen to your concerns :)
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #26 on: December 01, 2010, 11:20:57 PM »

there are some very good bats of this forum

haha dont worry i was most definitely not disagreeing with that !

i just think we should give time to all bats :)
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #27 on: December 01, 2010, 11:23:13 PM »

Who Jon me

i just answered a little question that was posed as a bidding batmaker well not quite there yet and as a avid cricket fan

hope this helps you if not please fell free to pm...

I answered a question correctly and also if you look you find i got the actual batmakers/retailers  bat from Chase but because i support other brands on here which if you took the time to look at you would understand

I have no hidden agenda mate

you asked a question too about them so as a forum intrest follows


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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2010, 11:28:17 PM »

oh forgot i also own a Laver and have owned many in my time and yes Dan at Chase made me a carbon copy of my Private Bin with the same grain structure as James himself uses on his top 20 per cent of bats but you never gave me time to explaim myself
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2010, 11:29:35 PM »

chase are (No Swearing Please) mate! just face it.
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