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I think it is fair to say the pics of the Legends at Romida have been met with a lukewarm reception. I happen to think the examples are acceptable for the price, but others disagree. Now, let us think about this. To the batmakers of the forum, is it possible to make the elusive 'perfect bat' for, lets say £320? Is the willow common enough that you all have workable examples kicking around? I suppose by perfect we mean ultimate performance and visually flawless.

I genuinely don't know and would be interested in your thoughts. Are the GNs a rip off? Or do they represent realism?
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2010, 06:25:19 PM »

I thought they looked great tbh, there's approx 350 out there and if all look like that or similar then they're a good investment (presuming they play well also)
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2010, 06:28:50 PM »

I thought they looked great tbh, there's approx 350 out there and if all look like that or similar then they're a good investment (presuming they play well also)

Yeah I think alot of people were expecting them to look like that infamous Laver. Must remember that bat cost £500 more.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #3 on: December 01, 2010, 06:30:06 PM »

And I would guess that Laver makes less than 4% of the bats GN do. There may be 1 Legend out there which looks like the infamous Laver - but there's also another 349 which won't.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #4 on: December 01, 2010, 06:32:17 PM »

i honestly thought the first one looked Amazing!
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2010, 06:33:50 PM »

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=5304.0

H4L had them a while back ......... much cheaper and better looking i think
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2010, 06:37:04 PM »

http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=5304.0

H4L had them a while back ......... much cheaper and better looking i think


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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2010, 06:37:55 PM »

And I would guess that Laver makes less than 4% of the bats GN do. There may be 1 Legend out there which looks like the infamous Laver - but there's also another 349 which won't.

Yeah and sadly that 1 is being put to good use by Mr Strauss!
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2010, 07:11:19 PM »

Come on, this is a good opportunity for the makers to promote their quality and value, if it is as easy to do as some members have suggested... ;)
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2010, 07:36:09 PM »

I wouldn't think so as bat makers on here arent going to be ordering the volume of willow that brands such as GN/GM and the big boys do in order to find the 1% premium willow.

Unless they have their own trees then that would give them direct access if they get lucky :) As per matts example I'm not sure if it was his own willow or from elsewhere ?? Undoubtedly Matt could have charged £300 for those bats by comparism!!
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2010, 07:39:06 PM »

can somone link me to the legend thread?
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2010, 07:40:33 PM »

I'm sure every bat maker has the odd wonder cleft, I'd be surprised if any of the bat makers (bar GM) on here sell over 300-500 bats a year. In which case they'd only get a couple of them a year, unless as Tom says they have their own trees or are on very good terms with a willow baron. In which case they'll have a few more.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2010, 08:22:01 PM »

I wouldn't think so as bat makers on here arent going to be ordering the volume of willow that brands such as GN/GM and the big boys do in order to find the 1% premium willow.

Unless they have their own trees then that would give them direct access if they get lucky :) As per matts example I'm not sure if it was his own willow or from elsewhere ?? Undoubtedly Matt could have charged £300 for those bats by comparism!!

Interesting, and a point I was hoping someone would make. If these Legends are not up to task in some people's eyes, show me a reliable source of consistantly better looking bats for the same or lower price. I don't think you'll find anyone. Ok, alot of the Black Cat willow looks on a par, but every one? Please, if I'm wrong, say. I mean to offend noone. Just the seeming unwillingness to discuss this irritates.

Can a small maker hope to get his hands on a volume of exceptional wood that makes offering a similar G1++ feasible? I don't see anyone offering it. Mr SAF offers this type of willow, but the customer has to wait for a piece to come in. Laver operate a waiting list for their version and charge a grand. Newbery, for all the bats they make, state only a few of these will be made, and charge a grand.

This is why I would really like to hear from the makers on here. I'm striving to understand this, it fascinates me. It isn't a dark art, I guess some of it is pure luck as to what arrives in the delivery. Buy enough willow and the holy grail shall come, perhaps. Or be unlucky and never see one. Do some just not see what all the fuss is about and would charge no more and think nothing of one of these mystical beasts?

Over to you gents, the people that know.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2010, 08:22:38 PM »

Honestly, I thought those were perfectly and looked £320 bat without any doubt. I am not too sure about its performance but lookwise it was definately looking like a £320+ bat. The only good bat with similar grains I have seen in my life is Laver but again that Laver is almost double the price of this bat.

to me it looked like it was premium willow bat and definately looks like the 1% one.
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Re: Off the back of the Legend thread, a question/challenge for the batmakers
« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2010, 08:27:34 PM »

I'm sure every bat maker has the odd wonder cleft, I'd be surprised if any of the bat makers (bar GM) on here sell over 300-500 bats a year. In which case they'd only get a couple of them a year, unless as Tom says they have their own trees or are on very good terms with a willow baron. In which case they'll have a few more.

I think (without having anything to back it up) you are probably right. I think more are cottoning on to it, too. Just think, lots of makers recently offering super premium extreme limited edition models, and charging accordingly. Can't remember that happening 10 years ago. Ok, apart from Kooka who offered a LE of 300 of each model, but that is 900 clefts a year, not the estimated 350 for GN here.
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