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Title: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on March 03, 2011, 04:37:43 PM
Shane Watson bat's right handed, bowl's right handed and throw's right handed. But for some reason, well from this picture anyway, he seems to write left handed. Very weird.

http://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/109738105/Getty-Images-Sport
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: justnotcricket86 on March 03, 2011, 04:39:00 PM
Noel Gallagher is left handed at everything, yet plays guitar with his right. I'm right handed, but my left is stronger?

Work that one out
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2011, 04:39:45 PM
not really.
I bat, bowl and try and throw right handed (I have a terrible throw), but write left handed.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Canners on March 03, 2011, 04:41:24 PM
Oh so that explains your girly throw ;)
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Colesy on March 03, 2011, 04:42:11 PM
I know someone who bowls both right and left handed, throws both right and left handed, bats right handed and writes left handed. He's 9 too
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on March 03, 2011, 04:43:25 PM
I'm use to say'

Micahel Clarke - Bat's right, but throws and bowls left.

Mike Hussey - Bat's left, but bowls and throws right

Matt Hayden - Bat's left, but throws right

Adam Gilchrist - Bat's left, throws right.

In all these cases, their throwing/bowling arm, is their writing hand. However, this is hte first time I have seen someone who Bat's, bowl's and throw's right, to then write with his left hand. Although the other alternative is that he taught himself to write with his left and he can write with both hands, I didn't think about that.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on March 03, 2011, 04:44:46 PM
I'm use to people being ambidextrous, but throwing is different to writing.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: tommo256 on March 03, 2011, 04:45:55 PM
Someone at my club can bat left handed and right handed, bowl left and right handed, throw left and right handed but writes right handede
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Canners on March 03, 2011, 04:46:33 PM
I know someone who bowls both right and left handed, throws both right and left handed, bats right handed and writes left handed. He's 9 too

Sounds very handy

Wish I could throw with both hands, would confuse the hell out of the batsman
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Tumo on March 03, 2011, 04:48:14 PM
Sounds very handy

Wish I could throw with both hands, would confuse the hell out of the batsman
I've practised, Jesus it's hard! You end up looking like a girl if it goes wrong, and if it goes right then it's still limp compared to your strong hand...
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on March 03, 2011, 04:48:25 PM
He probably taught himself how to do it.

I play A.F.L and when I first started, I was terrible on my left, but as the years went by, I became better and better. Now I can kick 60 meters on my right and about 40-45 on my left. If anyone knows about A.F.L, I played Full Back for ages and always had a big kick, but last year I played Full Forward as we needed some bigger kicks in our forward line.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: uknsaunders on March 03, 2011, 04:48:36 PM
Write left, bowl left, bat right ,throw right, favour right for catching.

Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: mdl_1979 on March 03, 2011, 05:03:15 PM
One of the lads I coach throws overarm with his left hand (he's a left arm spinner), but underarms with his right hand.  And has always done so.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Talisman on March 03, 2011, 05:04:33 PM
If the right side is dominant you should use this as the top hand batting and bat "left handed".
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Steny12 on March 03, 2011, 05:04:52 PM
lol.... im odd. i bat, bowl and throw right handed,play any hitting sports right handed but play darts and tenpin bowling left and write and kick left, i can bowl decent left handed except I jump off the wrong foot so hard to get out of that.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Colesy on March 03, 2011, 05:12:13 PM
I'm trying to encourage my brother to bat left handed, but at 4 he prefers bowling.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: tim2000s on March 03, 2011, 05:17:56 PM
If the right side is dominant you should use this as the top hand batting and bat "left handed".
So here's the question, if you are right hand, right eye dominant, what should you do?
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Vantage Cricket on March 03, 2011, 05:18:32 PM
My old man plays golf with a mixed set of r/h and l/h clubs as when he started playing years ago he bought 2nd hand clubs one by one and for some reason bought both right and left handed until he had a full set.
With regards to cricket he bats/throws left handed and bowls right handed.
He also writes right handed.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Talisman on March 03, 2011, 05:23:01 PM
So here's the question, if you are right hand, right eye dominant, what should you do?

I would say given Buzz's advice elsewhere that you should have your head level when batting so still bat "left handed".
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on March 03, 2011, 05:27:14 PM
No - right eye dominant would mean you bat right handed, in my view - but Kieron (Bulldog) is right eye dominant and bats well left handed, I hear, so the likelihood is that you should go with what is comfortable.

In my case I am left handed - and play tennis/squash left handed, but bat right handed, so have the control of my left hand at the top - I am also right eye dominant and that may cloud my theory that you should have your outside eye as your leading eye.

My theory is that it is easier to keep your eyes level if your outside eye is the dominant one. I have never done a survey of it though... perhaps I will do one here... keep your eyes peeled!!

Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Alvaro on March 03, 2011, 05:29:49 PM
One of the lads I coach throws overarm with his left hand (he's a left arm spinner), but underarms with his right hand.  And has always done so.
I do this but the other way around
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on March 03, 2011, 05:34:14 PM
No - right eye dominant would mean you bat right handed, in my view - but Kieron (Bulldog) is right eye dominant and bats well left handed, I hear, so the likelihood is that you should go with what is comfortable.

In my case I am left handed - and play tennis/squash left handed, but bat right handed, so have the control of my left hand at the top - I am also right eye dominant and that may cloud my theory that you should have your outside eye as your leading eye.

My theory is that it is easier to keep your eyes level if your outside eye is the dominant one. I have never done a survey of it though... perhaps I will do one here... keep your eyes peeled!!



same as buzz i left handed in everything i do bat batting and right eyed dominant

I find it causes me slight problems with balls going across me early on 
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Maverick79 on March 03, 2011, 09:04:29 PM
My old man plays golf with a mixed set of r/h and l/h clubs as when he started playing years ago he bought 2nd hand clubs one by one and for some reason bought both right and left handed until he had a full set.
With regards to cricket he bats/throws left handed and bowls right handed.
He also writes right handed.

I bat right handed but play golf left handed. If i try and play golf right-handed or bat left-handed it just feels un-natural.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Bez013 on March 03, 2011, 10:13:51 PM
There are plent of examples of bat one way bowl/throw with the other - Michael Clarke, Mike Hussey, Junnaid Siddique, Stuart Broad, James Anderson, James Tredwell, Eoin Morgan....

Going back a few years think of Graham Thorpe and Brian Lara.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: awp on March 04, 2011, 02:49:30 AM
apparently all the top golfers that play right handed are left hand dominant and visa versa, there's also a correllation between double handed sports and single handed sports, but we'll leave that one alone :)
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Johng on March 04, 2011, 05:36:30 AM
I bowl right, bat left and throw left a genetic stuff up!!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: roco on March 04, 2011, 07:57:22 AM
Have you noticed there are loads who bowl right bat left but far less who bowl left bat right
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: mattw on March 04, 2011, 07:59:55 AM
I heard quite a few kids were being told to bat left handed if they are right handed?
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: roco on March 04, 2011, 08:05:27 AM
That's just nuts you should bat which ever way you feel confident but granted both my kids bat left but eldest is a lefty anyway
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Tumo on March 04, 2011, 08:18:50 AM
Have you noticed there are loads who bowl right bat left but far less who bowl left bat right
I've noticed this, at all the clubs I've been at, I reckon I've only seen one other apart from me that do it.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Bez013 on March 04, 2011, 08:09:51 PM
The theory is that the dominant eye if you are right handed will more often than not be the right eye and if you are left handed it is generally your left eye.

If you are right eye dominant and you bat in a left handed stance your right eye will be in front so I can understand the theory into making a right eye dominant kid bat left handed, however there have been studies that show there isn't much difference between batting averages between right hand bat / right eye dominant and left hand bat / right eye dominant and vice versa with left hand bat / left eye dominant and left hand bat / right eye dominant.

As I put on another thread it would be interesting to compare scoring areas of these players as this may tell you more than their averages, i.e. do they score in the direction of the dominant eye.

I am left eye dominant and bat right handed and I use my right hand for writing, racquet sports etc although I can play tennis and badminton almost as well left handed as I can right handed.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: tim2000s on March 04, 2011, 09:15:44 PM
The theory is that the dominant eye if you are right handed will more often than not be the right eye and if you are left handed it is generally your left eye.

If you are right eye dominant and you bat in a left handed stance your right eye will be in front so I can understand the theory into making a right eye dominant kid bat left handed, however there have been studies that show there isn't much difference between batting averages between right hand bat / right eye dominant and left hand bat / right eye dominant and vice versa with left hand bat / left eye dominant and left hand bat / right eye dominant.

As I put on another thread it would be interesting to compare scoring areas of these players as this may tell you more than their averages, i.e. do they score in the direction of the dominant eye.

I am left eye dominant and bat right handed and I use my right hand for writing, racquet sports etc although I can play tennis and badminton almost as well left handed as I can right handed.
I suspect the ability to get decent scores has less to do with eye dominance and more to do with talent...
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: roco on March 04, 2011, 09:18:43 PM
No it's all down to the bat not talent you should know this by now
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: awp on March 04, 2011, 10:45:00 PM
Absolutely, interesting none the less. There was a freak here a few years ago that made A Grade (level below Sheffield shield) hundreds both right and left handed, he was a freak. Incredible natural hand eye coordination.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Watsontotty on March 05, 2011, 12:28:35 AM
was watching a spot of darts last night and noticed Barney signed the board with his left hand which i thought was odd, i bat left handed but do everything else right handed including golf. Brian Lara deliberately learned golf right handed so it didn't interfere with his batting and he plays off something stupid like 3 or something.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: johnnyw on April 11, 2011, 09:36:57 AM
Has anyone been watching him bat this morning...incredible
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: mattw on April 11, 2011, 09:39:42 AM
nah i havent, but he's killed it.
take a bow son.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Jeet on April 11, 2011, 09:43:29 AM
Unreal hitting by Watto. 185 off 96 with 14 x 4s and a World Record 15 x 6s!

If Oz batted 1st Watto may have got 300!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Colesy on April 11, 2011, 09:44:13 AM
15 x 4 Jeet ;)
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: johan95 on April 11, 2011, 10:32:20 AM
Phenomenal.
Quality hitting!! Love the fact he was saying: It was humid so I was trying not to run much. He should do that more often seems to come off! :D
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 10:42:59 AM
I know it's early, but Watson has to be the leading contender for the 2011 world player of the year!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 11, 2011, 10:48:53 AM
I know it's early, but Watson has to be the leading contender for the 2011 world player of the year!
humm - I do love some morning Aussie over enthusiasm - I think Dhoni or Tendulkar for their performances in winning the 2011 world cup may be slightly ahead of Shane playing in a game against some pie chuckers - I don't even rate this innings above Naill O'Brian's against England in the world cup.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Riddy on April 11, 2011, 10:49:44 AM
probably cause niall o biren didnt score many runs against us ;)
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 10:59:25 AM
Dont forgot Watson's Ashes series (not as good as Cook or Hussey, but very solid) and his two great t-20 performances against you guys, his 161 no against you guys aswell, plus he made the world cup team and now his 185 n.o, so he is the most consistant over all forms imo
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 10:59:46 AM
Dhoni had 1 score in the world cup, so he is no where near getting it!!!!!!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Colesy on April 11, 2011, 11:00:43 AM
Yeah but leading you team to a World Cup final, and winning it may put him in contention
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 11:02:30 AM
Fair enough, but his performances as a whole were very, very average
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 11, 2011, 11:05:00 AM
sorry - Big Kevin...

I need some more tea!!

And Langer - Dhoni captaincy throughout was pretty good - remember his bowling attack wasn't that special - and being a quality player is about when you perform as well as just consistency.

and it is calendar year so the ashes don't count (or Cook and the forgotten man Trott would be MILES ahead of him)

I agree he is a very good player and also performs despite a huge workload.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on April 11, 2011, 11:08:50 AM
I think ther cricketer of the year should go to Ricky Ponting for leading us to the Ashes cheers Rick :D :D :D
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Number4 on April 11, 2011, 11:09:55 AM
Just quickly back to the left and right handed thing...

I worked with a guy who broke his arm, his writing hand, and taught himself to write left handed, then taught himself to write with both hands at the same time and then he could sign his name with his right hand writing forward and his left hand writing backward...at the same time...and both signatures looked identical..like you were looking in a mirror...weird...and he was 7 foot tall and weighed 170kg..man mountain...I don't think he fully evolved from caveman
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 11:13:28 AM
I agree it is really between him and Trott (Cook has no chance). I just had a look at the cricket schedule for this year, and England has alot of cricket, so Trott might edge ahead!

I think that Watson is a better all round player than Trott, maily because he can bowl and is a better t-20 player
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on April 11, 2011, 11:16:45 AM
I think Trott has been top top class many did not rate him but he has something not many have a desire to bat and bat and bat.

Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 03:49:50 PM
I just found this on cricinfo: http://www.espncricinfo.com/bangladesh-v-australia-2011/content/current/story/510566.html

It's details and stats about his innings. All of Watson's sixes were on the leg side, and only 38 of his runs were scored on the off-side, the rest were on the leg-side. He also holds the record for the 3 highest scores in ODI's for a team batting 2nd. There's heaps more stats in it.

Great Knock!!!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: roco on April 11, 2011, 03:56:16 PM
Missed it earlier as at work but have sky+ the bad boy
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 11, 2011, 04:15:37 PM
Found highlights of the innings aswell: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCJNzNEjV3M
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: jonpinson on April 11, 2011, 04:18:45 PM
Surely of all the astonishing stats about the knock, the most remarkable is that it only took 26 overs to get within 15 of the world record. Got to go down as the greatest one day innings.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
Surely of all the astonishing stats about the knock, the most remarkable is that it only took 26 overs to get within 15 of the world record. Got to go down as the greatest one day innings.

I agree! I have a few Indian friends who were dissing the knock simply because he wasnt Indian and how Tendaulker's and Sehwag's knock'a were better. Both were good, but neither of them were even close to scoring at the rate that Watson did, let alone close to hitting 15 sixes! Some people just don't get it, ahah :)

Watson was at it again today, only 72 off 40 this time. It is a shame beacuse they were batting first this time and he could have gotten that 200, lol.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 13, 2011, 09:56:40 AM
Surely of all the astonishing stats about the knock, the most remarkable is that it only took 26 overs to get within 15 of the world record. Got to go down as the greatest one day innings.

Sorry I can't agree - I think Viv's 150 in a world cup final or Gilchrist's 150 in a world cup final are much "greater innings" compared to a slog fest against a load of pie chuckers...

I am not saying it wasn't a wonderful display of hitting or that he isn't a quality player - just that you should put this innings into perspective.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: johan95 on April 13, 2011, 10:03:31 AM
I think that's a fair point actually Buzz. It was one of the greatest displays of pure hitting and just brutalising the bowlers, but the question is would he have been able to replicate this effort against India/Sri Lanka or any other top international team. ???

Still takes nothing away from his innings, great knock!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 10:37:07 AM
Lol, India has a terrible bowling attack compared to most other top nations
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 13, 2011, 10:41:17 AM
Lol, India has a terrible bowling attack compared to most other top nations
Humm again nonsense - Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Sing would get into every test team (apart from when Swann is playing).
And anyway, what relevance has that to Viv Richards' assault against England and Adam Gilchrist's against sri lanka? or in a very difference breath Shane Watson's against Bangladesh?
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on April 13, 2011, 10:45:28 AM
When century's took 2 days

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/each-side-plays-its-part-in-the-farce-of-crickets-fastest-century-1485897.html

quality i was there worst bowling ever as well

Viv Richards fault as well
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Jeet on April 13, 2011, 10:54:48 AM
Langer is that same Indian attack with contributed to dethrone Australia as World Champions?

Australia's attack is pretty pitiful if truth be told.

Watson slogged around some crap bowlers. His innings isn't in the top 10 all time innings.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: alexrickyponting on April 13, 2011, 10:56:29 AM
Langer is that same Indian attack with contributed to dethrone Australia as World Champions?

Australia's attack is pretty pitiful if truth be told.

Watson slogged around some crap bowlers. His innings isn't in the top 10 all time innings.
Well said, unfortunately  :(
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on April 13, 2011, 10:58:50 AM
Off topic you found anywhere to get them shirts yet Jeet.

Agree with everything people are saying but 185 in 20 odd overs is special no matter who your playing i would call it amazing hitting
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 11:05:38 AM
Australia's batting struggled, not India dominating them. White sould have been dropped, but he wasnt for some reason. My Indian mate who goes against Australia in every sport, not matter who they are playing, agreed with me that India's attack minus Zaheer, is very average.'

You can say he slogged crap bowlers all around the park, but at the end of the day he still did it, with 15 sixes and at a strike rate of almost 200. You would be hard pressed to point out another innings like that. At no stage did I ever compare his innings to Richards or Gilchrist's, so I have no idea why people have bought up those innings, as they are on a different scale and arent even relevant to the topic. I didnt say it was the best, because its not, Watson's display was awesome in its own right, and will go down as one of the great one day innings.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Johng on April 13, 2011, 11:09:10 AM
Off topic you found anywhere to get them shirts yet Jeet.

Agree with everything people are saying but 185 in 20 odd overs is special no matter who your playing i would call it amazing hitting
But it will not be in Jeet's eyes because Watson is not Indian. In fact I saw a documentary the other day discovered that in fact cricket was not invented in England some 500 years ago but first played in the back streets of India lol!!!!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 13, 2011, 11:09:50 AM
Got to go down as the greatest one day innings.

I brought up the innings by gilcrist and Viv because of this comment.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 11:11:40 AM
Yes one of the greatest, not the best.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Jeet on April 13, 2011, 11:13:08 AM
Australia's batting struggled, not India dominating them. White sould have been dropped, but he wasnt for some reason. My Indian mate who goes against Australia in every sport, not matter who they are playing, agreed with me that India's attack minus Zaheer, is very average.'

You can say he slogged crap bowlers all around the park, but at the end of the day he still did it, with 15 sixes and at a strike rate of almost 200. You would be hard pressed to point out another innings like that. At no stage did I ever compare his innings to Richards or Gilchrist's, so I have no idea why people have bought up those innings, as they are on a different scale and arent even relevant to the topic. I didnt say it was the best, because its not, Watson's display was awesome in its own right, and will go down as one of the great one day innings.
Oz struggled because India's bowling is poor? You're either mentally challenged or deranged. Oz only got 260 cos India didn't allow them to get more. Simple really.

Watson's 185 will be remembered like Hayden's 380. Bashing the minnows and will soon be forgotten
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: peplow on April 13, 2011, 11:14:31 AM
you clearly havent forgotten haydens 380.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Buzz on April 13, 2011, 11:15:48 AM
Watson's 185 will be remembered like Hayden's 380. Bashing the minnows and will soon be forgotten

that is a perfect comparison.

Peplow - pretty funny, I suspect Matty H hasn't forgotten it either!
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 11:16:13 AM
you clearly havent forgotten haydens 380.

ahahahaha
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Jeet on April 13, 2011, 11:19:43 AM
you clearly havent forgotten haydens 380.
Ask anyone and they all ways says Brian Lara 375 or 400. I've never came across anyone saying Hayden's 380...
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 11:22:31 AM
Oz struggled because India's bowling is poor? You're either mentally challenged or deranged. Oz only got 260 cos India didn't allow them to get more. Simple really.

Watson's 185 will be remembered like Hayden's 380. Bashing the minnows and will soon be forgotten

I beleive that it was Australia's batting that struggled and not India's bowling dominating them. I watched the ashes and the one day series against England, and there wasnt one game where everyone contributed with the bat, it was more that 1 or 2 players went really well and the rest were really just there filling space.

Call me mentally challenged all you want mate, Watson's innings was great and sorry you can never change that!

I'd like to see you get 380 mate! At the end of the day I am fairly confident that most would agree that 185 of 96 balls is a very, very good score and rate, so stop bashing him.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: langer17 on April 13, 2011, 11:24:05 AM
Ask anyone and they all ways says Brian Lara 375 or 400. I've never came across anyone saying Hayden's 380...

Aahahhaha, you've done it again. Thats the second time you've mentioned Hayden's 380 and the first time you've mentioned Brian Lara's innings. So you've just contradicted yourself, ahaha.
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: procricket on April 13, 2011, 11:27:40 AM
off topic what ever happened to vinod Kambli
Title: Re: Shane Watson
Post by: Jeet on April 13, 2011, 11:29:29 AM
off topic what ever happened to vinod Kambli
Fell out with the BCCI and it ruined his career