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Equipment => Bats => Topic started by: Johnny on June 08, 2011, 07:47:43 AM
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From @graynics twitter feed:
"What is your favourite Gray-Nicolls bat of all time, you may see an absolute golden oldie make a come back for 2012...."
This has me intrigued? Are Gray Nics planning a re-release? If so, what will it be?
Powerspot?
Scoop?
Can Alex give us a heads up?
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if previous threads on here about the old GN's turning up on ebay and the excitement that they got are anything to go by i reckon this could be a winner. Must admit i was a huge GN fan as a kid. Not quite to the powerspot era but millenium, longbow carbo, Powerbow. think i may have even had a schimitar aswell.
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Those aren't classics though... It's the GN500/Scoop/Twin Scoop/Dynadrive that are the classics!
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Dynadrive......? I loved mine (which I still have somewhere) I can see them doing that, still looks fairly modern after all so may even appeal to those unfamiliar with it...?
Dynadrive is my guess anyway... :D And that's all it is......a guess!
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Dynadrive please!
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Powerbow 2009 PLEASE!!
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Powerbow 2009 PLEASE!!
not really golden or oldie?!
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GN 100 5* single scoop would tempt me .
I remember them doing a powerline model which had some sort of polyarmour coating which just flaked and fell off. Bat lasted ok though.
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not really golden or oldie?!
Certainly not oldie but certainly golden ;-)
Ahh man I miss that bat!!
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Certainly not oldie but certainly golden ;-)
Ahh man I miss that bat!!
Isn't that the 3* bat you don't use very often because you don't want it to break?
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I want the Scoop!!
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Isn't that the 3* bat you don't use very often because you don't want it to break?
Absolutely mate you have nailed it, you have become a millionaire now ;-)
Here is profile shot of it;
(http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac91/minhasuz/DSC05725.jpg)
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Cover Drive - some of our B Team would agree with you, they had a Powerbow 5* in the old shape that was just superb, they all mourned it's passing and still go on about it, they've bought a new shape Carbo and they've 'borrowed' a Powerbow Titanium in that shape from our A Team but neither are good enough for them!
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Exactly! This Powerbow is probably the best bat in my 22 bats I own!
Few retailers in North America have this Powerbow (top of the line goes for like $450 which is like 280 Pounds), I have been emailing them but they don't reply :facepalm:
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Why don't you have it copied? It would be cheaper the $450.
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I doubt anyone could copy it as good as Gray Nicolls making them.
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If its the shape you are after you could probably end up with a better piece of willow. Why did you not get one of your Lavers in that shape?
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I doubt anyone could copy it as good as Gray Nicolls making them.
Why not?
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H4L copied the GN profile I wanted well...
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I think the clue in the GN's golden oldie may lie in the success of the GM Luna.
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And to be fair, it would have been made in India.
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Opener Bhai - I don't know why it didn't cross my mind then, I was in talk with Andy to get a different shape for one of my Lavers but then I was reluctant because I thought james would be master of what he makes everyday.
Tim - I know, but out of curiosity my 3* has a stamp on back saying 'Made in England'
Uksaunders - Luna is success? I doubt it mate
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Scoop no question
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Do you think Alex would let us pre-order if it is a scoop?
I hope they don't just copy the old model, but stick a 21st century twist on whatever bat they do release
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Tim - I know, but out of curiosity my 3* has a stamp on back saying 'Made in England'
Uksaunders - Luna is success? I doubt it mate
Really? Maybe it was made in England!
Why would you say that the Luna hasn't been a success?
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Thats great Tommy, thanks a ton!
HAd a good look, do you know if they are legit and anyone has dealt with them?
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I'd be a little dubious mate seeing as every bat that they are advertising on there is 2/3 seasons out of date. No evidence but I would like to speak to someone on the phone to source.
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I emailed them same day when Tommy told about them and they never replied.
I emailed many retailers in US who have this bat on there website but non of them replied.
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I don't know if its me but doesn't the bat on right in the following picture looks like Powerbow shape ?:S
(http://i434.photobucket.com/albums/qq67/aqureshi2004/Probats_6.jpg)
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Gotta be a Dynadrive!!! one of the young lads in our team has just been given one that had been in someones loft for years when it turned up on Saturday I was like a kid again Loved those bats and think they should have a "Classics range" release a few Hundred LE Grade of each of the classic profile/Shapes now that would be awesome!!
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matt walker for essex.
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/essexarsenal/Braintree-20110703-00295.jpg)
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/essexarsenal/Braintree-20110703-00296.jpg)
(http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/essexarsenal/Braintree-20110703-00297.jpg)
Hope Im not being stupid, but looks like a scoop or a dynadrive maybe ? Although original post says in 2012
Matt walker twitter - "For all of u who r asking about my new bat. It is the new retro Gray Nicholls scoop. Magnificent piece of wood"
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does look like the original scoop profile
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I'm pretty sure the original scoop never had 40mm edges!! They did show a really good pic of it on Sky last night and the edges were massive.
Also, maybe it's down to it having bigger edges, but the actual scoop part of the bat looks to be a lot wider?
I want one.... :D
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Looks some weird shaping going on there though
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from twitter:-
@mattwalker275
Matt Walker
For all of u who r asking about my new bat. It is the new retro Gray Nicholls scoop. Magnificent piece of wood
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good reading skills Nick. See 4 posts previous for more info...
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good reading skills Nick. See 4 posts previous for more info...
sorry, to busy looking at the pics!
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Anyone have a price on this new GNS ?
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40mm edged scoop I must be in heaven! Think I have found my bat for next year :D
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sorry, to busy looking at the pics!
I get that problem with the Daily Sport
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My guess is that they'd be quite extortionate
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My guess is that they'd be quite extortionate
similar price to the legend is my bet!
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Have to say ,it does look stunning gray nics could be quids in here ...
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GN have restructured in the past few years so they could well be on a nugget with this scoop.
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Were successful here 2 years ago when released in limited numbers, mainly to 30+ players reliving their youth. Much bigger profile than originals, mine was very good.
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http://yfrog.com/h2cr0dxj
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[url]http://yfrog.com/h2cr0dxj[/url]
Where did that come from?
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Where did that come from?
Matt Walker twitter
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Like it a lot but don't think I like it enough to buy one, I have used a scoop in the past with some success but I'm still not convinced it was as good as a something with a spine....also I don't know if it is the way the stickers have been applied to the scoop or just the angle of the photo but the scoop itself doesn't look even.
Anyway, I'm sure GN will do well with it.
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This would be the only bat GN could tempt me to buy as the orginal version was superb so id be interested in one for sure
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am I the only person to think it looks horrid?!
each to their own I suppose.
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The scoop looks really wide, weren't the old ones painted rather than having a sticker in the scooped bit?
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No I will second that, it does look odd and as was mentioned earlier I cant get around the fact that it doesnt have a spine.
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I like it but I'm not keen on how big both the scoop and the general profile is. It's old school with that new twist however I am not sure I like the new twist part of it!
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looks dogshiit if you ask me are gn struggling or something going all gimmicky
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This is the company which in recent years produced the GN Fusion handle, double sided bat and the Edge nothing has changed. They've always been into their scoops and let's say 'interesting' bat shapes.
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http://www.gray-nicolls.co.uk/news/scoop-gray-nicolls
:)
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What are the advantages of the scoop? I dont know anything about the bat
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I want one!
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The new one looks hideous, frankly. The scoop area is far larger on the new model and looks wrong. It is not a retro bat, it is the next stage in the obsession with having enormous edges. Batmakers are now so bothered by creating bats with big edges that they are even willing to do away with a middle.
It isn't a scoop, it is a thinly veiled scaffold plank.
I'd like to hear the GN logic in creating a bat with a very low spine height despite making models for years where the big thing was to creat a bat with a massive profile from 10 yards away.
If the scoop design was indeed as highly performing as was claimed 20 years ago/is being claimed again now, why was it dropped for 15 or so years, and why did no other makers make their own versions of it in the meantime?
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and why did no other makers make their own versions of it in the meantime?
It is a patented design. I believe Slazenger had to pay royalties on one particular bat they introduced, due to similarities.
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It is a patented design. I believe Slazenger had to pay royalties on one particular bat they introduced, due to similarities.
Ok then clever boy, variants thereof...
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And this is my same problem with df so called retro as well
they say there retro but the stickers are not the same so unlike the only true retro i have seen which is the stuart surridge the rest are all gimmicks to try and aplease our natures
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I'd wager it will be made in India and be similarly priced to the Legend too.
I can see it selling though, despite all logic.
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The new one looks hideous, frankly. The scoop area is far larger on the new model and looks wrong. It is not a retro bat, it is the next stage in the obsession with having enormous edges. Batmakers are now so bothered by creating bats with big edges that they are even willing to do away with a middle.
It isn't a scoop, it is a thinly veiled scaffold plank.
I'd like to hear the GN logic in creating a bat with a very low spine height despite making models for years where the big thing was to creat a bat with a massive profile from 10 yards away.
If the scoop design was indeed as highly performing as was claimed 20 years ago/is being claimed again now, why was it dropped for 15 or so years, and why did no other makers make their own versions of it in the meantime?
The entire Scoop concept was around making a bat which was more forgiving if not hit in the middle. This just takes it too the extreme, with even bigger edges than before!
And the performance can't be that bad, otherwise I'm sure Matt Walker wouldn't use one.
A certain B C Lara used one to good effect around 15 years ago, and the decade before that it was used successfully too. My 20 year old version still goes like stink out of the middle, so I see no reason why a modern version of this wouldn't be successful.
....even as an admitted Scoop enthusiast, I do agree that it looks slightly strange!!! The scoop looks so wide and deep!
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The entire Scoop concept was around making a bat which was more forgiving if not hit in the middle. This just takes it too the extreme, with even bigger edges than before!
And the performance can't be that bad, otherwise I'm sure Matt Walker wouldn't use one.
A certain B C Lara used one to good effect around 15 years ago, and the decade before that it was used successfully too. My 20 year old version still goes like stink out of the middle, so I see no reason why a modern version of this wouldn't be successful.
....even as an admitted Scoop enthusiast, I do agree that it looks slightly strange!!! The scoop looks so wide and deep!
I just can't see the point of making a big thing of making a retro bat and then when it comes to the crunch, making a bat based not on a retro model, but almost exclusively by modern rules (must have massive edges etc). If they had made a scoop like the original, I might be interest, but to me this isn't a scoop.
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I like the idea of a dated concept with a modern twist.
I can see the appeal of a re-make from a collectors point of view, so I could understand why Dave isn't keen on the Fearnley Retro.
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I like it. But am expecting it'll come with a very hefty price tag which will put me off buying one.
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I just can't see the point of making a big thing of making a retro bat and then when it comes to the crunch, making a bat based not on a retro model, but almost exclusively by modern rules (must have massive edges etc). If they had made a scoop like the original, I might be interest, but to me this isn't a scoop.
Presumably they're trying to get a new generation interested in the Scoop as well as hoping to tempt previous scoop users into buying. Can't see kids being very interested in something in the profile of an original scoop, given current trends.
Edited for Their/They're :(
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Presumably their trying to get a new generation interested in the Scoop as well as hoping to tempt previous scoop users into buying. Can't see kids being very interested in something in the profile of an original scoop, given current trends.
like
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don't know what the problem is, it's just another way to save weight. Sloped shoulders, harrow length blades, rounded edges, carbon handles etc etc
Scoops went out of fashion because people wanted big heavy bats in the 80/90s, then they wanted them lighter. Now they want them light and big, so why not scoop?
If you bat like me then 90% of the shots won't go anywhere near the middle.
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I like it. But am expecting it'll come with a very hefty price tag which will put me off buying one.
Not many bats around now Tom which don't come with a hefty price tag especialy the leading brands but had GN brought back the old style scoop i certinly wouldnt be interested in one as i want a new updated version.
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If the price is competitive then I may be tempted if it's Legend price then they can jog on. I'd rather get one of the custom makers on here to make something similar.
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It is a patented design. I believe Slazenger had to pay royalties on one particular bat they introduced, due to similarities.
I do believe that was the V800 which had some scooping similar to the GN500. Oh, just realised I am a sad retro scoop fan :s
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Jonpinson, if it was an exact replica of a 30 year old bat no one would buy it, people have become used to much bigger profile and expect big bats. They will sell if they are made well, it's still a great concept.
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Jonpinson, if it was an exact replica of a 30 year old bat no one would buy it, people have become used to much bigger profile and expect big bats. They will sell if they are made well, it's still a great concept.
i dunno about that mate i think people on here have said they would...
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Re: the patent GN may have for a scoop in the back.
I recall after Brian Lara smashed that WR 375 using the GN Scoop 2000, didn't he start using his own range of Lara bats about 12 months after that (after he left Warwickshire end of '95) ? I remember the Lara bats selling a scoop which was a clone of the GN Scoop or was it actually a GN product?
Those Lara stickers were hideous- all glittery with blue and orange colours I recall. Was that Lara make just a branch of Gray Nicolls at the time? It seemed to disappear pretty quickly!
The slaz V800 had several smaller scoops or grooves in the back so was a totally different design.
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Ben, I had a blue & orange lara 375, my first ever SH bat. They were made by Gray-Nics
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The Slaz V800. I can see why GN might think it was infringing...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/V800.png)
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Jonpinson, if it was an exact replica of a 30 year old bat no one would buy it, people have become used to much bigger profile and expect big bats. They will sell if they are made well, it's still a great concept.
talking to ss there retro the exact proper retro is selling ok
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The Slaz V800. I can see why GN might think it was infringing...
([url]http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/V800.png[/url])
"Cats Eyes" , beautiful profile.
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The Slaz V800. I can see why GN might think it was infringing...
([url]http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/V800.png[/url])
I still have and use one of these bad boys, a V800 Classic. Chanderpaul was the only player I remember using it, though I'm sure there were plenty of others. Has a nice middle, and goes well on fast tracks with a superb pick-up.
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mark waugh, ian bell and ben hollioake all used the v800 too
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I had a V800 that had the six scoops on the edges down the back of the profile, must have been the later model.
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richard wensley loved his scoop's!
the warrior range when he left slaz was scoop tastic!!
there was the googly they had a 3 schools on bottom near spine
i had a tridant that had one scoop at bottom
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As used by those most iconic of blue characters...
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/SmurfScoop-1.png)
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mark waugh, ian bell and ben hollioake all used the v800 too
So did Cool Carl before he went CA then Newbs.
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Definitely need to keep an eye on this. A chance to buy a modern Scoop can't be missed!
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Definitely need to keep an eye on this. A chance to buy a modern Scoop can't be missed!
If it has a middle like the older ones, I may well pass...