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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: kaustav on December 16, 2011, 02:51:31 AM
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Any thoughts Gentlemen?
Do you think Australia will bounce back or will India rectify its English summer mistakes?
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Gunna be interesting. Two pissweak bowling attacks.
If zaheer khan has lost about 10 kgs and has some match fitness, he should slice through Warner and Marsh (the latter assuming the tampons in week aligns with a test and he is playing). If we get anything flat (and given the pitches are prepared for the great, exciting and classy big bash, that's what you can expect), sehwag will be dangerous and Dravid will only get out when he is sick of batting.
Prediction is India to start slow, lose the first test only..... After that only Indian wins and draws.
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I think the Aus quick bowling will be better than the Indian quick bowling, but the Indian spinner will have the biggest impact - if he gets lots of wickets the Aussies will lose - if the Aussie batsman play him well the series will be close.
As said above - the Aussies must win the first test as the indians are traditionally slow starters.
I think the Indians should have too much for the Aussies - unless the new young aussie batsmen can keep the indian batsmen in the field for very long periods of time - that was the big thing England did in the summer.
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I think the Aus quick bowling will be better than the Indian quick bowling, but the Indian spinner will have the biggest impact - if he gets lots of wickets the Aussies will lose - if the Aussie batsman play him well the series will be close.
As said above - the Aussies must win the first test as the indians are traditionally slow starters.
I think the Indians should have too much for the Aussies - unless the new young aussie batsmen can keep the indian batsmen in the field for very long periods of time - that was the big thing England did in the summer.
Lol, Australian's keep the Indians in the field a long time, haha good one, lol.
They need to get rid of Ponting and Haddin and bring in some young players. They always say the older guys offer gret experience and they guide the younger players, but last time I checked, that's what coaches are for, so it always frustrates me when they say they add so much experience to the youth.
Also, they keep saying Ponting look great in the nets, that also gets to me because net form means absolutely nothing! No pressure, not playing for anything, so it means nothing. Anyone can be a net hero, but if they constantly fail in the middle then they clearly aren't up to standard, which Ponting falls into.
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I didn't say they woould!!
you do need experience on the pitch to help the younger players - I have seen this just in league cricket and I am sure that it onlt increases in test cricket.
the question is the balance - young players sould be nurtured into the side - so you can't have three youngsters in the top three then ponting, clarke and hussey at 4, 5 and 6 - this is why the culling of Katitch was a serious error - how much stronger would the top 6 be if (assuming fitness) it was - Katich, Warner, Hussey, Marsh, Clarke, Watson. I don't know much about the reserve wicket keepers - but if I was selecting the team this is what i would want.
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I didn't say they woould!!
you do need experience on the pitch to help the younger players - I have seen this just in league cricket and I am sure that it onlt increases in test cricket.
the question is the balance - young players sould be nurtured into the side - so you can't have three youngsters in the top three then ponting, clarke and hussey at 4, 5 and 6 - this is why the culling of Katitch was a serious error - how much stronger would the top 6 be if (assuming fitness) it was - Katich, Warner, Hussey, Marsh, Clarke, Watson. I don't know much about the reserve wicket keepers - but if I was selecting the team this is what i would want.
That's fair enough, as long as the older blokes are performing. If they aren't then they need to go, and Ponting has been on the slide for 2 years now. There is still Clarke and Hussey, so that's more than enough, plus Langer is the batting coach and he hasn't been out of the game for that long.
Katich name was tossed around at a CA meeting about the team for the Boxing Day test, but he is still highly unlikely. There have also been quite a few better batsmen in the Sheffield Shield this year, so he is down the list I would imagine. Marsh pulled out of the 3 day lead up game against the Indians, so he is highly unlikely to be fit in time as he still can't bat with his back.
2011/2012 Sheffield Shield Batting Statistics:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/sheffield-shield-2011/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=6788;type=tournament
From that list Forrest, Christian and Cowan would probably be the most likely. Also, Cooper got 182 n.o against the Indians in a two day game which concluded today, he is also the only batsmen to get a double century in the shield so far this season. I would say Christian would be the most likey of that lot as he is an all-rounder so he offers that extra bowling option, which Australia needs as Watson is coming back into the team as a batsmen only.
Paine is out for another 3-4 months as his finger didn't heal properly, so the next keeper will either be Neville or Wade, with the later being more likely in my book.
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Hmmm...do you think India's bowling line-up can take 20 wickets regularly though?
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Also, they keep saying Ponting look great in the nets, that also gets to me because net form means absolutely nothing! No pressure, not playing for anything, so it means nothing. Anyone can be a net hero, but if they constantly fail in the middle then they clearly aren't up to standard, which Ponting falls into.
Agreed - I make well over a thousand runs a season and I look *awful* in the nets!
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Serious note, the two sides look pretty even to me - India will do what they always do, which is bat well when the conditions are favourable and bat for a very long time, whilst probably struggling with the ball. Their selectors might actually need to be the braver of the two sets in making steps to try and take 20 wickets - I'd like to see them pick the young leggie, Sharma, as well as Ashwin and accept that two pop gun seamers can do pretty much the same job as three in most conditions (ie try and keep the runs down).
Australia? Well, their chances are in many ways governed by their selectors and their injury list - Watson is a loss, even if he plays as a batsman only, because I think his seamers are underrated and offer balance to the side. Will they drop Punter, Hussey and Haddin? Will they bring back Katich? All seem to be seen as impossibly brave calls, but I'd argue that at least two of tehm have to be done.
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Is Rahul Sharma in the Test squad? Rohit's there but the spinners picked are Ashwin/Ojha.
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Australia, given that Tim Paine is knacked (possibly permanently) will stick with Haddin. I also think that with Mickey Arthur saying that Hussey (seeing that Watson won't bowl in Boxing Day Test, his Collingwoods will be seen as a plus) and Ponting will play at the MCG, then as a selector, you'd take his word. Marsh, dicky back permitting will replace Khawaja, Watson will usurp Hughes. The bowling will be Siddle, Harris, Pattinson, Lyon.
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Australia, given that Tim Paine is knacked (possibly permanently) will stick with Haddin. I also think that with Mickey Arthur saying that Hussey (seeing that Watson won't bowl in Boxing Day Test, his Collingwoods will be seen as a plus) and Ponting will play at the MCG, then as a selector, you'd take his word. Marsh, dicky back permitting will replace Khawaja, Watson will usurp Hughes. The bowling will be Siddle, Harris, Pattinson, Lyon.
Harris wont play, well not if CA are true to their word. He has been told that he has to gaurentee that he can play 5 days of cricket and play multiple games in a row before he will be picked again, so if they pick him they aren't following through with what they have said. This leaves a bowling spot open as Starc will go, he bowled okay, but his wickets were either dragged on, or bad balls that the batsmen just hit in the air. I would say the candidates are Hogan or Hillfenhaus. Shame Cutting got injured as he was the clear next choice, but oh well.
I think Christian is a strong chance to get picked, so that would mean a batsmen would go as he would bat 6 and be that 5th bowling option. If this were to happen, I would drop Ponting, then move Clarke to 4 and Hussey to 5.
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Any Aussie bowling attack without Mitchell Johnson in it looks immediately stronger. There seems to be a few good young guys coming through, Pattinson in particular. I have always liked Harris, he's properly quick and seems to have good control but, as has been said, until he can last a 5 day test match it's pointless picking him. He's always carried too much weight and he still is so maybe he's not that bothered in which case don't pick him. I can't see Lyon having any impact on this series at all. He's a decent bowler but nothing more and the Indian batsmen will target him. I doubt he'll last the series imo.
If Khan turns up fit and ready then I would be massively surprised if he wasn't the pick of the bowlers in this series. I can see the likes of Warner and Watson having big problems against him.
I can see Australia having a good batting series and India having a good batting series but the bowling of both sides is very unpredictable. Drawn series if you ask me!
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Interesting. Would you not gamble on Harris in an attempt to go one-up over a notorious slow-starting opponent? I'd say there's a fair chance that if Aus do win in Melbourne then the spoilt, lazy, excuse-heavy Indian side that toured England might rear it's head.
I would personally pick McDonald over Christian but that won't happen.
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Interesting. Would you not gamble on Harris in an attempt to go one-up over a notorious slow-starting opponent? I'd say there's a fair chance that if Aus do win in Melbourne then the spoilt, lazy, excuse-heavy Indian side that toured England might rear it's head.
I would personally pick McDonald over Christian but that won't happen.
I don't think McDonald will be even on the selectors minds... Just doesn't have the runs on the board of late
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You can only afford to gamble on Harris if you know he is going to last the match and on previous evidence you'd be guessing. To be honest if you were going to do that you'd be better off persuading Lee or Tait to play one test as they are both better than Harris!
It's a fair point that India are slow starters though....if you get on top of them early in the series then it's there for the taking.
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Runs aside, it seems Australian cricketers with brains (or at least their own minds) tend not to get picked. Only the ones that bang on about 'executing their skills'.
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This is an interesting article too. Everyone likes to bag Counties for serving their own interests, but it seems it's an Australian thing too...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-new-zealand-2011/content/story/543976.html
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india are pants,load of old men and extremely average bowlers and potentially the worst fielding side in the international game today
aussies in slight transition with some exciting prospects coming through, looking forward to watching it and see how the old men cope on some fast and lively pitches hopefully in comparison to there flat tracks back home
rant over
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I haven't looked much at Indian cricket since the England series. But while everyone says they are a poor fielding side do they drop catches much? Recently I have seen many a accomplished fielding sides routinely dropping regulation catches.
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Gambhir falling over and banging his head dropping a sitter against England was quite comical.
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My question would be do they have the bowling to take 20 wkts.
There were some bowlers on show in the odi series in England that would struggle to get into county teams. To win a test match you need to get 20 wkts that's a certainty.
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I sense a change of tactics by many countries to maximise home advantage. Nothing wrong with that and it's made some of the cricket in the last 18 months far more interesting as a result. I personally don't think the teams have even come remotely close to preparing green tops, just adding a little more grass. It's nothing that a decent test batsman shouldn't be able to cope with. The big losers, of course, are India who look more and more exposed as their team ages.
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any side no matter how brilliant they are will drop catches now and again
there general all round fielding standards of india on a whole are terrible,comical to watch at times especially during the england series
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Also, they keep saying Ponting look great in the nets, that also gets to me because net form means absolutely nothing! No pressure, not playing for anything, so it means nothing. Anyone can be a net hero, but if they constantly fail in the middle then they clearly aren't up to standard, which Ponting falls into.
Just got to convince the ICC to schedule a test series in the nets and we'll have a more functional top order.
Marsh pulled out of the tour game, but intends to play in the big bash for "confidence". Bugger that. He wants to get his priorities sorted before he is given another shot. Last thing we need is more injury prone openers.
Also...... Clarke has the best form and is the leader.... How long can he hide at number 5 while the top order is so fragile? He needs to man up, get in at 3 and take the pressure off the kids trying to find their feet at that level.
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Indias bowling attack might appear pissweak to others, but it always kills Australia. Sharma will bowl like Tremlett did last summer, and Zaheer will swing it well. Any above average spinner (and Ojha is pretty good) pegs australia down.
You could count the amount of times Australia have scored 400+ on the one hand in the last 3 years. Noone scores hundreds and noone gets big hundreds more importantly.
As weird as it sounds, I also think India save there best cricket for Australia, and I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year.
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......and I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year.
Please bore us with your reasons as to why England's performance was that pointless lol, or are you just trolling?
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Khan and Sharma will only be factors if they are fit. Khan was at least 2 stone overweight against England and Sharma is brittle. I do agree though that if they are fit they will cause Australia problems. The thought of Warner and Watson opening the batting against a fit Sharma and Khan doesn't bear thinking about! On the whole though I still think it will be a drawn series. Neither sides attacks are good enough to take 20 wickets. India because they are a bit rubbish (assuming they won't be that fit) and Australia because the indian batting line up is so strong and they are a tad inexperienced.
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Sharma bowling avg 58, strike rate 94 in the england series. He's so much like Tremlett it's uncanny lol
Clarke is to loose to bat higher. He batted 4 I think in the ashes and was rubbish.
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Khan and Sharma will only be factors if they are fit. Khan was at least 2 stone overweight against England and Sharma is brittle. I do agree though that if they are fit they will cause Australia problems. The thought of Warner and Watson opening the batting against a fit Sharma and Khan doesn't bear thinking about! On the whole though I still think it will be a drawn series. Neither sides attacks are good enough to take 20 wickets. India because they are a bit rubbish (assuming they won't be that fit) and Australia because the indian batting line up is so strong and they are a tad inexperienced.
Did you not watch the England series. India can collapse on any flat wicket. Managed it 4 times lol
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can I place a bet that at least 3 Indian bowlers will return home injured by the 3rd test :D
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Australia will only lose if "Radar" Johnson returns.
There is so much great material for this test series lol
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Did you not watch the England series. India can collapse on any flat wicket. Managed it 4 times lol
They collapsed on 'proper' test match pitches against an attack that is a mile ahead of the current Australian one. These tracks will be, in comparison, much more like the roads they play on in India. Anyway, anyone betting against the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman is a brave man! They are a far better batting line up than anything Australia can pick.
I do agree about the Johnson comment though! He is Australia's Steve Harmison, only not as predictable, and the sooner they ditch him for good the better for Australia.
I don't think India will win the series but I don't think Australia will either............ :)
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They collapsed on 'proper' test match pitches against an attack that is a mile ahead of the current Australian one. These tracks will be, in comparison, much more like the roads they play on in India. Anyway, anyone betting against the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman is a brave man! They are a far better batting line up than anything Australia can pick.
I don't think India will win the series but I don't think Australia will either............ :)
I tend to agree whole-heartedly with all of what you have just said mate lol :D
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I can't really see any of the games being a draw, as Australia haven't even got the temperament to bat for more than a day against New Zealand's bowling attack. And while India's batting line-up appeared to get found out against England, they still got a big score against West Indies on a flat track. Although, to be honest, that track was so flat West Indies made 500+.
I predict 3-1 to India as in one game Australia will bowl India out cheaply twice, but fail to do so again.
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Fancy Australia to come good as their bowling looks as though its quite potent, Just if baggies can get enough runs.
I really like Ponting as a cricketer so hope he fills his boots this series.
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Indias bowling attack might appear pissweak to others, but it always kills Australia. Sharma will bowl like Tremlett did last summer, and Zaheer will swing it well. Any above average spinner (and Ojha is pretty good) pegs australia down.
You could count the amount of times Australia have scored 400+ on the one hand in the last 3 years. Noone scores hundreds and noone gets big hundreds more importantly.
As weird as it sounds, I also think India save there best cricket for Australia, and I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year.
You are either uninformed or lazy...or perhaps both.
The Aussie team that was smashed by England last summer had just come back from a two test series against India in India and managed circa 400+ in both first innings of the two tests played.
http://www.crichotline.com/australia-vs-india-1st-test-2010-scorecard-mohali/
http://www.crichotline.com/australia-vs-india-2nd-test-2010-scorecard-bangalore/
http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-1st-test-scorecard-2011/
http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-2nd-test-scorecard-2011/
http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-3rd-test-scorecard-2011/
As far as "hardly anyone scores centuries anymore", I had to laugh. I can think of Michael Clarke (three centuries in the last five tests), Shaun Marsh, David Warner, Mike Hussey and even the departed Phil Hughes have scored tons in the last six tests that Australia has played in. Watson scored an attacking 88 in the last test he played in...against Dale Steyn, Vernon Philander and Morne Morkel....unless you consider the Indian attack to be deadlier than that trio?
Ohja will not present a problem in this series as he will in all likelihood not be playing. Ashwin will get the gig as he can at least bat.
I do not know which way the series will go, but I do know that you haven't got a clue.
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I just spoke to Nostradamus; he said that Australia will win the first test match but India will come back to win one back and ultimately with some draw in between the series will be tied. :D
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They collapsed on 'proper' test match pitches against an attack that is a mile ahead of the current Australian one. These tracks will be, in comparison, much more like the roads they play on in India. Anyway, anyone betting against the likes of Sachin, Dravid, Sehwag and Laxman is a brave man! They are a far better batting line up than anything Australia can pick.
I do agree about the Johnson comment though! He is Australia's Steve Harmison, only not as predictable, and the sooner they ditch him for good the better for Australia.
I don't think India will win the series but I don't think Australia will either............ :)
Dunno if you saw the hobart pitch, but it was pretty bloody green and very bowler friendly.
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You are either uninformed or lazy...or perhaps both.
The Aussie team that was smashed by England last summer had just come back from a two test series against India in India and managed circa 400+ in both first innings of the two tests played.
[url]http://www.crichotline.com/australia-vs-india-1st-test-2010-scorecard-mohali/[/url]
[url]http://www.crichotline.com/australia-vs-india-2nd-test-2010-scorecard-bangalore/[/url]
[url]http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-1st-test-scorecard-2011/[/url]
[url]http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-2nd-test-scorecard-2011/[/url]
[url]http://www.crichotline.com/sri-lanka-vs-australia-3rd-test-scorecard-2011/[/url]
As far as "hardly anyone scores centuries anymore", I had to laugh. I can think of Michael Clarke (three centuries in the last five tests), Shaun Marsh, David Warner, Mike Hussey and even the departed Phil Hughes have scored tons in the last six tests that Australia has played in. Watson scored an attacking 88 in the last test he played in...against Dale Steyn, Vernon Philander and Morne Morkel....unless you consider the Indian attack to be deadlier than that trio?
Ohja will not present a problem in this series as he will in all likelihood not be playing. Ashwin will get the gig as he can at least bat.
I do not know which way the series will go, but I do know that you haven't got a clue.
Vic.. your pompos patronising and derogatory tone with which you start every post and with which you continue to downgrade others, is frankly boring. Get over yourself, the Aussies aren't very good, the Indians aren't very good, and heck even the English aren't particularly wonderful... just the best of the bunch at the moment after series on home soil and against a woeful Aussie side in transition. Time will tell how good they are after next years sub continent series (just to prove this isn't an Aussie bashing post). There does seem to be some good talent coming out of Australia at the moment however, which I for one am glad of. I have always said that world cricket needs a strong Australian side, otherwise beating them only gets belittled by people like you saying that 'this Australian team isn't as good as the one of the late 90's, you'll never be as good as us'....... YAWN!
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Dunno if you saw the hobart pitch, but it was pretty bloody green and very bowler friendly.
Pity they aren't playing a test against them on it then.....!
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Vic.. your pompos patronising and derogatory tone with which you start every post and with which you continue to downgrade others, is frankly boring. Get over yourself, the Aussies aren't very good, the Indians aren't very good, and heck even the English aren't particularly wonderful... just the best of the bunch at the moment after series on home soil and against a woeful Aussie side in transition. Time will tell how good they are after next years sub continent series (just to prove this isn't an Aussie bashing post). There does seem to be some good talent coming out of Australia at the moment however, which I for one am glad of. I have always said that world cricket needs a strong Australian side, otherwise beating them only gets belittled by people like you saying that 'this Australian team isn't as good as the one of the late 90's, you'll never be as good as us'....... YAWN!
As I said mate, I don't know which way the series will go - but some of the idiotic misinformation in this thread could not pass unchallenged.
Just re-read the post in question again, and if you cannot find the lies, distortions and sheer pommy chest beating stupidity within it, then you are just as bad as the miscreant internet hero who typed it behind the safety of his keyboard.
Indias bowling attack might appear pissweak to others, but it always kills Australia. Sharma will bowl like Tremlett did last summer, and Zaheer will swing it well. Any above average spinner (and Ojha is pretty good) pegs australia down.
You could count the amount of times Australia have scored 400+ on the one hand in the last 3 years. Noone scores hundreds and noone gets big hundreds more importantly.
As weird as it sounds, I also think India save there best cricket for Australia, and I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year.
Blatantly false statements like "No one scores hundreds and no one scores big hundreds" (I just highlighted seven centuries in the last six tests - which would be about normal for any test side, heck England only scored two centuries in the whole 2009 Ashes series as a comparison) and "You could count the amount of times Australia have scored 400+ on the one hand in the last 3 years." I showed how laughable that comment was by showing that Australia passed 400 in BOTH tests they played against India only a year ago in India.
While we are at it, let us examine some of the other idiotic statements in that classic post...I was actually rather generous before, but let's go to town now.
How about this one: "Indias bowling attack might appear pissweak to others, but it always kills Australia."
Where is there any evidence of that?
For the benefit of the most ignorant Englishmen (of which thankfully, there are not that many on this site), India have *never* won a series in Australia. They have brought sides with Tendulkar, Dravid, Laxman, Sehwag, Ganguly and Gambhir all in the peak along with younger less injury prone versions of Khan and Sharma with a fiesty Harbhajan thrown in and they still could not pull it off. They got rolled last time by a bowling line up of Mitch Johnson, Brett Lee, Stuart Clark and Brad Hogg!!! I am sure you all think that none of that lot can bowl (with the possible exception of Clark).
Let us move along, as the comedy gold continues in that post:
"Sharma will bowl like Tremlett did last summer, and Zaheer will swing it well."
HAHAHA!!!
Neither have taken a single wicket between them in the warm up first class matches so far on tour. Khan coming back from ankle surgery looks short of a gallop - well he is 33 after all? Ishant Sharma has just rolled his ankle, but seriously, what has ever done? A test bowling average of nearly 36 tells you all you need to know - not bloody much.
As for Zaheer, his bowling average is worse than Mitchell Johnson...so how good can he be?? Then again Harmison, Flintoff and up until two months ago - Anderson - all had/have worse bowling averages than Mitch Johnson, so I am sure that the apologists on this site will mount a case as to why Zaheer should be considered for legend status inspite of his cod ordinary career stats.
We aren't finished though, because we had this one too:
"Any above average spinner (and Ojha is pretty good) pegs australia down."
Oh really!?
Name me the last (non Australian) spinner to dominate on Australian soil?
Murali? Nope.
Harbhajan? Nope.
Kumble? Nope.
Who then?
Well the sychophants here will surely tell you that Graeme Swann is teh best spinner in the world BAR NONE. Swanny has played ten tests home and away against the weakest Australian team since the mid 1980s...and what is this geniuses bowling average against this insipid Australian team over those ten tests?
40.13
Ouch.
So let's revisit that statement again...
"Any above average spinner (and Ojha is pretty good) pegs australia down."
Can that considered to based on any fact or logic?
Do I really need to even really answer that question?
Let us finish on this doozy...
"As weird as it sounds, I also think India save there best cricket for Australia, and I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year."
Do they?
I repeat once again for the intellectually challenged here: India have NEVER won a series here in Australia. Ever.
It is not to say that they cannot win this time...theys urely have a wonderful chance, but I trying to find the precedents on which that and other quotes from that epic fail post are based on...and there is no empirical evidence to support even one claim made in that post.
India play their best cricket against Australia IN India. No coincidence, as India play well against EVERYONE on their home turf (as England will no doubt discover next year). Blokes like Allan Border, Mark Taylor and Steve Waugh NEVER tasted a winning a series in India. That is how hard it is.
However to try and wipe away the 4-0 annihilation India suffered in England as merely "I read nothing into there 4-0 loss in england this year." is hilarious.
The only away series wins they have had away from the sub continent have been against Windies, New Zealand and co incidentally, England four years ago. Other than that...nada.
Only Laxman of the Indians can claim to significantly perform better against Australia than their over all performance.
I have finished dismantling Hads post of the century, but your bile should not pass without comment either.
Please find even one skerrick of evidence where I have stated in any post on this site (or anywhere for that matter):
"otherwise beating them only gets belittled by people like you saying that 'this Australian team isn't as good as the one of the late 90's, you'll never be as good as us'"
I have never stated such a thing and never would. In fact, I was howled down recently on this very site when I innocently stated that it will take Australia about five years to get back to a position to challenge for #1 test ranked nation again.
Apparently the zealots of Albion on this site felt that five years was an outragously short period of time in which
Australia could recover from the cricketing doldrums. Many predicted a Windies like terminal decline. Most seemed to be of the opinion that England would be #1 for all eternity too.
...and you reckon I have been pompous!
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
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Boom!!!! Thank you for completely backing up my post! There is nothing wrong with arguing your point with politeness. And the last paragraph, you seem to be completely agreeing with me but just with what you deem to be more eloquence. But I'm not going to argue with you and bring the topic into disrepute.
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Boring hell! There needs to be a tl;dr at the bottom of that, that reads
tl;dr I'm an Australian fan that uses cricinfo too much!
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Boring hell! There needs to be a tl;dr at the bottom of that, that reads
tl;dr I'm an Australian fan that uses cricinfo too much!
In fairness, if we didn't you guys would say you hadn't heard of them before, when we have some talent there :D.
I'm sure there are alot of you guys who don't know much about the Australian FC players simply because you can't see them, just like I don't really keep tabs on the UK FC players as I don't see them play. Except Surrey as they have a good youtube channel, lol :D
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Boring hell! There needs to be a tl;dr at the bottom of that, that reads
tl;dr I'm an Australian fan that uses cricinfo too much!
Like like like like like, although Langer makes a good point also.
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I don't think this Australian team is in good form at all.
I don't remember the last time Australia lost a home test to NZ, which is because I was only 2 years old when in happened in 1985.
How many times in history have Australia bowled a team out for under 200 and then had them back out batting again with a lead of over 150 like they did in SA this year?
I don't remember the last time out "great new hopes" were primarily club cricketers. Cricket Australia is frustratingly made up of non-performing old blokes and kids who don't seem up to the challenge. I am tipping Cowan to do well, but India's mediocre bowling is probably enough to tackle our dismal batting.
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Boom!!!! Thank you for completely backing up my post! There is nothing wrong with arguing your point with politeness. And the last paragraph, you seem to be completely agreeing with me but just with what you deem to be more eloquence. But I'm not going to argue with you and bring the topic into disrepute.
You already brought the topic into disrepute when you stated in your previous post:
"otherwise beating them only gets belittled by people like you saying that 'this Australian team isn't as good as the one of the late 90's, you'll never be as good as us'"
Again, where did I, or for that matter any Aussie poster on this site state that?
If you need to lie to try and win an argument, you are merely resorting to the last bastion of the scoundrel. That you felt it necessary to defend the indefensible Aussie baiting post of Hads says more about your character than anything else.
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All Vic has done is ask posters to back up statements with fact, what's wrong with that? There's a lot of posts on this thread offering illinformed 'bar chat' as if it's fact.
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This the same Vic that stated how many international players used illegal bats with no actual knowledge of the facts? As an Aussie fan Vic makes me cringe with his comments and the way he makes them.
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Anyway.......Australia v India
I say 2:1 Australia (Australia win in Melbourne & Perth, India win at the SCG, draw in Adelaide)
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This the same Vic that stated how many international players used illegal bats with no actual knowledge of the facts? As an Aussie fan Vic makes me cringe with his comments and the way he makes them.
Thank you :)
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This the same Vic that stated how many international players used illegal bats with no actual knowledge of the facts? As an Aussie fan Vic makes me cringe with his comments and the way he makes them.
Errr, you clearly didn't read the post in that SAME thread from the young chap of Indian origin whose brother met teh Indian guys at practice and he asked Dhoni etc about lams and every Indian batsman had one in their kit.
Maybe they just use it in the nets. ;)
I could also "out" another anti lam poster on this site for being the hypocroite that he is, but he is already suffering as it is, so no point rubbing it in.
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Errr, you clearly didn't read the post in that SAME thread from the young chap of Indian origin whose brother met teh Indian guys at practice and he asked Dhoni etc about lams and every Indian batsman had one in their kit.
Maybe they just use it in the nets. ;)
I could also "out" another anti lam poster on this site for being the hypocroite that he is, but he is already suffering as it is, so no point rubbing it in.
Where did you get this --any links to the original comment?
Getting back to the game--that Umesh Yadav guy looks good :)
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Hussey sawn off - didn't look too pleased
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India doesn't want the drs, and Hussey is the unlucky recipient of a crap call. No where near it, what a bloody joke!
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Nothing at all on hotspot, and you can see a clear gap between bat/glove and the ball.
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Also, nothing on snicko. He was given out because the ball swung before it got to dohni.
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Nothing at all on hotspot, and you can see a clear gap between bat/glove and the ball.
The ICC should force implement DRS. Just because the Indians (which means Sachin) don't want it; if they disagreed to bowling off 22 yards would that change?
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Another bloody crap call. No snicko, and nothing on hotspot and Cowan has been given out caught behind of Ashwin.
Completely ridiculous that one team can controll so much.
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Completely ridiculous that one team can controll so much.
Player. If Tendulkar approved, then so would the board.
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Quite a turnaround from the second test of 2007 right chaps?
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Player. If Tendulkar approved, then so would the board.
I think it will take one of Tendulker, Dravid, Sehwag, Laxman or Dohni to get an absolute howler of a decision when they are in the 90's, for them to change their/his mind. I hope it happens, as it will show them that the system is good.
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DRS leveler--Haddin was out I think.
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DRS leveler--Haddin was out I think.
Not quite, still one more.
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Siddle just middled a leave for 4, lol.
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I was really impressed by Cowan to be honest; I think he has what it takes to do well at the top level.
Ponting nearly made a huge impression.
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DRS leveler--Haddin was out I think.
Of course.
Two recognized batsmen versus a wicket keeper batsman - that equals out.
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people get bad decisions, everyone who has ever played the game has got them. you have to stop bitching and get on with it.
poor decisions even up over time.
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people get bad decisions, everyone who has ever played the game has got them. you have to stop bitching and get on with it.
poor decisions even up over time.
Think you've missed my point. Every other team is happy to have DRS, but India isn't. If one team wants it, then it should be in play imo. If India don't want to use it, that's there choice, but that shouldn't mean the team that want it also misses out.
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well said buzz. back to the game, Yadav and sharma were clocking up 145kph consistantly, good pace. I think Fletcher must have had a word with sharma regarding his wrist action, as he was not keeping it behind the ball.
The australian commentators do crack me up though! Healy came up with 'the swami army'
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I think the home team should have the final word on drs
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Quite a turnaround from the second test of 2007 right chaps?
Of course.
Two recognized batsmen versus a wicket keeper batsman - that equals out.
Dont we all love the game..lol :D
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I think it's the reaction that will be different, aussies won't try and take their bat and ball and go home just get on with trying to win the game.
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I think it's the reaction that will be different, aussies won't try and take their bat and ball and go home just get on with trying to win the game.
Yes, they ARE at home..lol.
No I do get your point; sometimes winning might mean more to someone/some-side than the others depending on the circumstance....kind of a complicated story as it goes beyond cricket per se.
What did you make of Cowan though? He looked impressive.
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I think it's the reaction that will be different, aussies won't try and take their bat and ball and go home just get on with trying to win the game.
Sure, they'll just bowl underarm rollers and use aluminium bats!!!!
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Sure, they'll just bowl underarm rollers and use aluminium bats!!!!
both within the laws at the time don.
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Yes, they ARE at home..lol.
No I do get your point; sometimes winning might mean more to someone/some-side than the others depending on the circumstance....kind of a complicated story as it goes beyond cricket per se.
What did you make of Cowan though? He looked impressive.
It was good to see a batsman values his wicket, didn't think the commentators gave him the credit he deserved, they were more concerned with his run rate.
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Where did you get this --any links to the original comment?
Getting back to the game--that Umesh Yadav guy looks good :)
Here is the link:
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=13758.90
Second last post on that page.
A couple pages back before that, the venerable Pete Hosk mentions that he has handled Afridi and Tendulkar's lams as well.
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What did you make of Cowan though? He looked impressive.
Just what the Australian batting line up needs - a steady accumulating opener.
To think he was told two years ago by the previous regime (Hilditch and co) that he would never play for Australia unless he started scoring more quickly.
Every batting line up needs a stubborn accumulator.
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Sure, they'll just bowl underarm rollers and use aluminium bats!!!!
The aluminium bat had no advantage what so ever.
The only "ping" was the sound it made when you hit the ball. Plus it vibrated through your hands making them most uncomfortable.
Utterly useless as a bat and someones idea to sell lots of scrap metal.
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both within the laws at the time don.
so was running bell out, but for the spirit of the game, he was given a life by team India. Would the aussies have done that?
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Think you've missed my point. Every other team is happy to have DRS, but India isn't. If one team wants it, then it should be in play imo. If India don't want to use it, that's there choice, but that shouldn't mean the team that want it also misses out.
hi, my comment wasn't directed at this, I agree all countries playing cricket should play by the same laws and rules.
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Here is the link:
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=13758.90[/url]
Second last post on that page.
A couple pages back before that, the venerable Pete Hosk mentions that he has handled Afridi and Tendulkar's lams as well.
Yeah-- they may be simply net bats. There is no evidence of these being used in real games.
BTW, nice point DON :D
Ponting missed out on a big one today.
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Here is the link:
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=13758.90[/url]
Second last post on that page.
A couple pages back before that, the venerable Pete Hosk mentions that he has handled Afridi and Tendulkar's lams as well.
I am not sure I would take something that is posted on am internet forum, regardless of who by, me included, as fact.
and just in case anyone was in any doubt, when I get a poor decision I bitch and moan like a goodun
enough of that please can we get back on topic.
brave decision to bat first on a dodgy track with a poor weather forecast. cowen worked really hard for his runs, ponting showed some class and his age at the same time and I thing the match looks evenly balanced.
the first session tomorrow will shape the game, if the tail wags or if they are cleaned up and sehwag has a go...
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So the prediction for the game is.....?
Come on gents, bring out the soothsayers within you.
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India.
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so was running bell out, but for the spirit of the game, he was given a life by team India. Would the aussies have done that?
The Aussies wouldn't have done it in the first place.
England had no qualms doing it though to that NZer.
Didn't recall him either.
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So the prediction for the game is.....?
Come on gents, bring out the soothsayers within you.
India will score 400 plus - so they will not lose.
Australia will do well to get over the 300 tomorrow - which is not enough.
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Would I be the only one who actually rates Siddle as a batsmen?
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Would I be the only one who actually rates Siddle as a batsmen?
Siddle just middled a leave for 4, lol.
Yes!! He is a tailender who can wag his bat ;)
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India will score 400 plus - so they will not lose.
Australia will do well to get over the 300 tomorrow - which is not enough.
Won't be easy for India; remember India always struggle in the first test match of a tour and the MCG wicket will still provide some assistance to the bowlers though the pitch might improve with the sun being out.
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The middle order does make Siddle seem a useful batsman.
As for the umpiring decisions..... Didn't think it was too bad.... Haddin possibly got an LBW reprieve.... I still think Cowan hit it and Hussey did everything he could to make it look like he did hit it.
I quite enjoy going back to this cricket where the umpires decision is final and the game goes on. Its a game of human error and the umpires are no exception. The umpire doesn't get an opportunity to make a mistake unless the batsman makes one and allows him too.
Impressed with Cowan.... Bout time an Australian learned how to leave.
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I think the problem with the drs system is that it has made the umpires lazy. I think, and this is only my opinion, that umpires from years past before drs were better umpires because they had to focus more and concentrate on the game more.
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It's swings and roundabouts I think, some of the umpiring on the subcontinent used to be abysmal, ask Nasser Hussian. Drs needs tweaking tho it's turning some of the games into a bit of a farce.
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Very impressed by Cowans patience and grit. Not sure though that the very wide stance and early forward movement will prove succesful against Tremlett/Broad and or Finn (or Morne Morkel) - he could soon find himself with a rather bruised ribcage and forearm. But certainly an improvement on Hughes!
As for the DRS its a disgrace that the ICC don't have the minerals to enforce it to everyone. They are quick enough to jump on minor issues such as the amount of labelling on show on pads which have absolutely no impact on the outcome of a match, yet when an issue arises that has the potential to change the course of a test match they sit firmly on the fence. 277-4 looks alot more like Australias day.
I've heard that they want to leave it open to national boards to decide if they use it because countries such as Bangladesh and Zimbabwe don't have the finance or technology to provide it - if this is the case then these countries need to be 'relegated' to the associates competitions with Ireland, Kenya, Holland etc until their infrastructure is up to standard. The rules and playing conditions must be the same for everyone - Whether this involves the DRS or not I personally couldn't care less
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I think that if one team would liketo use it, then it should be in play. If the other team choses not to use it, well that's their choice.
I think that players do abuse the DRS a little bit, like for ones that just pitch outside, or just go over the top. I think there should be a 5 second time limit, as you know straight away whether you've hit it or not, and whether you think the batsmen is out. None of this 15 seconds, where they meet in the middle and discuss it before deciding to review on the off chance you may just be not out (batsmen)/or it may be out(bowler).
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A 5 second limit is genius, would eradicate the mini Agm's that seem to happen at the moment!!
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Thumbs up for a 5 sec limit! Mind you, Shane Watson would account for all of Australia's reviews in the first 20 mins of the match... :D
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Draw is the fav at the moment although I am tipping Lyon to play a big part if we win.
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Anyone know which bat diddle is using?
Don't recognise the stickers
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Kook blade innit?
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Yes I think so :D
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/image/546926.html?object=518944;page=1
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Zaheer on song :)
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loved the reply of Siddle's caught behind. Those high speed cameras are amazing 1000 frames /sec, awesome
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Yes. That was cool.
I love Hilfenhaus' batting style.
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anyone else feel that lyon shud be on the field at the start of the innings if he wants to be involved in the innings?
dont really agree with the whole sub fielder ruling in general
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well no whes on but what difference did 1 over make to him? why couldnt he start on the field?
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o and what are peoples feelings/views on the lack DRS, interesting to here some opinions
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o and what are peoples feelings/views on the lack DRS, interesting to here some opinions
Browse through the previous pages bud; there are plenty of opinions to be read :)
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That India are ridiculous and I don't like the BCCI one bit!
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Browse through the previous pages bud; there are plenty of opinions to be read :)
sorry missed out on the forum the last few days so missed it all
il do my research
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That India are ridiculous and I don't like the BCCI one bit!
Who cares mate?
The fact is that a series with India is the most profitable series for all cricket boards.
If the other boards feel so strongly about the DRS, then they should refuse playing India, if India do not agree to using the DRS.
Can't blame BCCI if the other cricket boards put their financial interests above their players feelings.
I too feel BCCI are sometimes like a big bully, but that is the way the world is - look at Microsoft v Apple, US, RU or China v the smaller countries. No one seems to be complaining about these things.
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I still think Cowan hit it
...and your evidence for this is?
Hot Spot - didn't touch it
Snicko - didn't touch
Replay - didn't touch it
Cowan - very unhappy and stood his ground
So what are you basing it on?
I love your rationale vis-a-vis Hussey...if someone looks like they tried to hit it, they should be out too.
What next? One hand one bounce? 8)
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That India are ridiculous and I don't like the BCCI one bit!
Who cares mate?
The fact is that a series with India is the most profitable series for all cricket boards.
Surely the most profitable are the ashes series for England and Australia?
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That India are ridiculous and I don't like the BCCI one bit!
Who cares mate?
The fact is that a series with India is the most profitable series for all cricket boards.
Surely the most profitable are the ashes series for England and Australia?
If the ECB or ACB make their annual reports public, please check for details of revenues from each series.
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Who cares mate?
The fact is that a series with India is the most profitable series for all cricket boards.
If the other boards feel so strongly about the DRS, then they should refuse playing India, if India do not agree to using the DRS.
Can't blame BCCI if the other cricket boards put their financial interests above their players feelings.
I too feel BCCI are sometimes like a big bully, but that is the way the world is - look at Microsoft v Apple, US, RU or China v the smaller countries. No one seems to be complaining about these things.
The most profitable tour is the Ashes.
Comparing the BCCI's corrupt hold on cricket to global super powers is somewhat disingenuous.
India CRAVE international competition as it serves as a validation to their burgeoning prowess. Although it would never happened, if there was a boycott of Indian cricket, they would capitulate inside 18 months.
A boycott of cricket and rugby tours brought down a whole dirty political system in South Africa, so denying a people the thing they love the most would certainly bring about change.
At present though, India know they not only write the rules of the game, they OWN the game and unlike the MCC before them, the BCCI do NOT have the best interests of cricket at heart.
Read the book by Gideon Haigh "Sphere of Influence" for an insight into the corrupt machinations of Indian cricket.
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I think there has to a limit to the amount of technology that can be used. No need for standing umpires if for everything technology has to be used.
I feel that the use of technology is taking sportsmanship away from the game. Every player wants a review and unless that are very obviously out, they will want to question the Umpires decision.
Just look at the on-field umpire using the 3rd umpire to check for a no ball when Haddin was out. This is ridiculous, that is the umpire standing there and doing???
See some of the series from 70's 80's and early 90's players used to walk off without any gesture once the umpire's finger was raised. Now, people are just standing their for reviews, umpire checking for no balls, clean catches etc.
Can robots do all work and replace us?
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Separate topic needed for the corruption of the BCCI, or does this still incorporate the current match?
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The most profitable tour is the Ashes.
Comparing the BCCI's corrupt hold on cricket to global super powers is somewhat disingenuous.
India CRAVE international competition as it serves as a validation to their burgeoning prowess. Although it would never happened, if there was a boycott of Indian cricket, they would capitulate inside 18 months.
A boycott of cricket and rugby tours brought down a whole dirty political system in South Africa, so denying a people the thing they love the most would certainly bring about change.
At present though, India know they not only write the rules of the game, they OWN the game and unlike the MCC before them, the BCCI do NOT have the best interests of cricket at heart.
Read the book by Gideon Haigh "Sphere of Influence" for an insight into the corrupt machinations of Indian cricket.
Good morning Vic!
Going to be a long day for you today as well.
Don't you sometimes feel that you should do something different today? ----- make a positive and non-cribbing post on the forum?
Sorry not as well read as you, have better books and subjects to read on and hence very selective on what i read.
As I said - Who cares mate. Everyone wants a good series. Umpiring blunders have always been a part of the game and will continue to be.
What the common fan or follower of the game thinks about the DRS, does not make a difference to the what negotiations happen between the cricket boards behind those closed doors.
Just chill and enjoy the series mate. At least it will be better than the Ashes - Aus can win a game or two (possibly a series as well)
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I think there has to a limit to the amount of technology that can be used. No need for standing umpires if for everything technology has to be used.
I feel that the use of technology is taking sportsmanship away from the game. Every player wants a review and unless that are very obviously out, they will want to question the Umpires decision.
Just look at the on-field umpire using the 3rd umpire to check for a no ball when Haddin was out. This is ridiculous, that is the umpire standing there and doing???
See some of the series from 70's 80's and early 90's players used to walk off without any gesture once the umpire's finger was raised. Now, people are just standing their for reviews, umpire checking for no balls, clean catches etc.
Can robots do all work and replace us?
Pretty much the point I was trying to make on the previous page about umpires being lazy and not as good as years gone by
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I think this is going to be a long debate about the technology vs the human element.
What do you guys think about the Indian inning?
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The problem is that although the cricket boards control and run the sport, they are essentially like a corporate which has to be run with the support of the majority (in this case the players as they are the actual revenue generators).
Can you imagine a company where the company board feels strongly in favor of a policy but the marketing and sales teams do not like it?
The players have to be 100% convinced as they will be the ones directly affected by this decision.
This is a good topic of discussion for the administrators of the game and we should leave this to them.
Let us sit back and enjoy the game (and the forum)
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I think this is going to be a long debate about the technology vs the human element.
What do you guys think about the Indian inning?
Well all depends on what Viru does and for how long :)
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See some of the series from 70's 80's and early 90's players used to walk off without any gesture once the umpire's finger was raised. Now, people are just standing their for reviews, umpire checking for no balls, clean catches etc.
I grew up watching cricket in that era and what you have described does not resemble what I witnessed first hand.
Clearly you are describing another game or something.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOscUoF7ytg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrzeQryPv8E&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3mUIOAGGg4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V9xnMvgO0A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHzax-alxb4&feature=related
That is a small sample, but fury at umpiring gaffs were just as common then as now.
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I think Gambhir thought he was still playing T20; fishing..... for what?
The Wall joins the Daredevil.
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I grew up watching cricket in that era and what you have described does not resemble what I witnessed first hand.
Clearly you are describing another game or something.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOscUoF7ytg[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrzeQryPv8E&feature=related[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3mUIOAGGg4[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V9xnMvgO0A[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHzax-alxb4&feature=related[/url]
That is a small sample, but fury at umpiring gaffs were just as common then as now.
Just too many videos to watch mate ;)
Wondering what happened to the opposite ones?
Was going to search for them and realized, WHO CARES..lol
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Good morning Vic!
Going to be a long day for you today as well.
Don't you sometimes feel that you should do something different today? ----- make a positive and non-cribbing post on the forum?
Sorry not as well read as you, have better books and subjects to read on and hence very selective on what i read.
If your "positive posts" are to merely take personal pot shots at me, then you are a real winner.
Maybe when I grow up I can be just like you! Yay.
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Maybe when I grow up I can be just like you! Yay.
Now I can't even use the phrase "grow-up" on/for you. Don't want competition :)
Nic, just take a chill pill mate.
Good games/series on offer, let's enjoy it. Will DRS make it better, I doubt it?? But sportmanship will surely will.
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Yes let us concentrate on the game guys.
But a quick question for you Vic-- you said you grew up watching the 60s and now you want to grow up further....how old are you? Are you an elf?
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...and your evidence for this is?
Hot Spot - didn't touch it
Snicko - didn't touch
Replay - didn't touch it
Cowan - very unhappy and stood his ground
So what are you basing it on?
I love your rationale vis-a-vis Hussey...if someone looks like they tried to hit it, they should be out too.
What next? One hand one bounce? 8)
Little ray of sunshine ain't you? Glad I'm not the only one to notice.
Hotspot didn't show anything on the one gambhir hit the cover off either.
My point about Hussey was when you make mistakes, you risk an umpire making one.
Part of the charm about cricket is that the umpire is always right..... The more times you play and miss, and glove at the bat moving your hand off it as the ball comes past, your a chance at being given out.
Oh look...... According to hotspot that ball didn't hit anything on Dravid?
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I agree with that trundler, my problem is you either use the technology in all games or don't use it at all.
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The most important question is: how old is Vic??
Sehwag gone!!
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Was going to have to bowl him.
I was just thinking cricket Australia always drop the best players..... First Katich, then Sehwag.
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Dravid out but the 3rd umpire calls a no-ball......wow!!! :o
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what next? One hand one bounce? 8)
You mean the Phil Hughes rulebook? :D
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tendulkar out in the last over... India probably on top, but could be in for a tough session tomorrow
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Nicely poised game.
Watching the two highest run scorers in test cricket ply their trade was magnificent and it was a far better test for patinson than NZ.
Australias selection policy is clearly confused. If the number 3 batsman wasn't fit, a bowling allrounder was coming into the side. I struggle to see any plan or direction with the selections.
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It is nicely poised indeed. India needs to score 500 in order to win the game; batting 4th and chasing anything over 150 will be very very difficult. A lot of missed opportunities for the Aussies though; I wonder why Pup did not bring himself on--- I am sure he is a better bet than Warner. Did he not take a hat-trick last time India was touring Australia?
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The commentators were saying that he has some sort of back problem which means he tries to leave himself out of the bowling attack as much as possible.
You got it. He can field and bat fine, but when he bowls he just aggravates it a bit. So unless it is absolutely necessary, he wont bowl.
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hes had bulging discs for a long time. I remember on one ashes tour of england he could hardly bat
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2 big wickets early on; Australia will win the game if India does not take at least a 150 runs lead.
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The moving ball getting the batsmen in trouble again.
India will be happy if they get to or close to 400 now
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Lots resting on Dhoni and the tail now
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Ishant has played better than the 3 recognized batsmen who have been sent back by the Aussies.
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Ishant has played better than the 3 recognized batsmen who have been sent back by the Aussies.
Totally agree with you. Did you see his flick off the pads which crashed straight into Cowan's grill at short leg?
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I have full faith and hopes on Ishant and Ashwin..
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Yes, it looked terrifying in real time. Good no damage was done.
Loving the way Ishant has been leaving the short ball. Very difficult for someone as tall as him to get out of the way. Dropping the shoulders too.
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Ishant's looking quite comfortable out there really especially against the short ball. Lucky Cowan was wearing a lid otherwise there was a broken nose on the cards for definite.
Ashwin does have a test match hundred although against a Windies attack no where near as good as this Aussie one.
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I dunno whether India will cross 300 now.
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Ishant's leave in general is genius! Better than KP's.
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Could be right kaustav. Dhoni gone now
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GONE!!!
Bye Bye MS and India will now struggle to reach 333
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333.....not even 300 boss.
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Ishant's leave in general is genius! Better than KP's.
Best leave of all time: Courtney Walsh!! There has not been any competition in world cricket in the last 20 years.
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I don't think MS is good playing defensive cricket. He should play his natural game of attacking. Even if he gets 20-30 in quick time it just ups the tempo of play and takes pressure off the other batsman.
But then the captain has to lead by example.
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It looked like a simple push, but the big bat / big edges got the ball flying to Hussey..... we still wants big bats with big edges :)
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Yash-- I don't think he was defending; the lack of technique will only take you so far.
Same story over the years-- India losing the first game of an overseas tour....
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Ishant is playing better than all the other 'batsmen'; he is a good daywatchman now.
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Yash-- I don't think he was defending; the lack of technique will only take you so far.
Same story over the years-- India losing the first game of an overseas tour....
MS was at the MCG and his bat was in Jharkhand, no where near the ball. I could have hit a football thru the gap :)
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I think India should just try and bat as long as they can and keep Aus out on the field. Get them tired and frustrated.
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What is the record for most number of consecutive maiden overs played in a test match?
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Don't know that but I think Nadkarni once bowled 21 consecutive maidens over with his charm.
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No what i meant were consecutive overs (both ends) not just one end.
Yes Bapu Nadkarni is correct. He bowled 21 maiden overs. His figures were 32-27-5-0
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Shocking decision lol that was plum.... :-[
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Yeah it was a goner.
I wonder where langer is today; last I heard he had jumped out through his window with joy.
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Ishant!!!! all the hard work just flushed down the drain with that reckless shot. Pressure of runs being scored.
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Beautiful piece of wood Zaheer has walked in with.
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Zak & Ashwin should play a T20 now to score some quick runs and push the feils out.
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Beautiful piece of wood Zaheer has walked in with.
The short-leg fielder should be careful now; he is already suffering from back stiffness..lol
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I must admit that with the plum LBW, and with a number of other total howlers in this match, I think drs should be compulsory! Is the level of umpiring always been this cR@p or is it coincidence that these howlers have occurred just in a match without drs??
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Zak's wood is rattled---the wrong one this time.
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Zak forgot he was on a cricket field. Still in his golf hangover :)
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I must admit that with the plum LBW, and with a number of other total howlers in this match, I think drs should be compulsory! Is the level of umpiring always been this cR@p or is it coincidence that these howlers have occurred just in a match without drs??
I think the home team should have the final say.
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Looks like it might not be too long until Cowan and Warner are strolling out
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I must admit that with the plum LBW, and with a number of other total howlers in this match, I think drs should be compulsory! Is the level of umpiring always been this cR@p or is it coincidence that these howlers have occurred just in a match without drs??
Agreed.But it is just unfortunate that so many errors are being made in this particular game.
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I think the home team should have the final say.
I think the ICC should make it compulsory. Don't give anyone the choice, if you don't want to use it you don't have to.
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Looks like it might not be too long until Cowan and Warner are strolling out
Another 10 mins. Just enough time to make a cup of team and snuggle down on the sofa :)
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But the problem is that some teams like Bangladesh and Zimbabwe don't have the infrastructure or so I have heard; but it will all change in the next two years I think.
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Another 10 mins. Just enough time to make a cup of team and snuggle down on the sofa :)
I'll take your word for it. Looking forward to watching Cowan bat. Missed the first innings was busy having one too many beers.
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I think the ICC should make it compulsory. Don't give anyone the choice, if you don't want to use it you don't have to.
Either compulsory or the host nation's call. Some boards like BAN, ZIM, WI cannot afford the costs associated with the technology. PAK did a good think finding a sponsor for DRS for their series v Eng
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Shaping up to be an interesting match! It looks as though India will need to bat at their best in their second innings to stand a chance AND bowl well enough to keep Aus total down!
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I am wagering my bag of chips that India is gonna loose :(
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If it's available then it should be compulsory. That way the teams who are unable to provide it, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh and the Windies will be able to learn how to use it and understand it ready for when they have it in place in their home series'.
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where did that 6 come from i.e. which part of the bat???
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Wow! Look at the huge profile of Yadav's SG---the SG bats have doubled in size since the last time I had one :o
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Ashwin is playing well now. Some good shots.
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Wow! Look at the huge profile of Yadav's SG---the SG bats have doubled in size since the last time I had one :o
its a normal bat mate. A no. 11 does not need a screamer/stunner :)
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Yes, even 'normal' SG bats are so huge nowadays; wait, how can it be a normal bat Yash?? It has to be a pro bat--Yadav is using it. I am sure the value of it has quadrupled....lol
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Why would Yadav play with a blank bat? Might as well keep the SG stickers on. Maybe some hint for securing some sponsorship :)
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Aussies 51 infront. They'll most definitely be happy with that.
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Gone! Excellent work by the Aussies. India is facing the mountain now.
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Why would Yadav play with a blank bat? Might as well keep the SG stickers on. Maybe some hint for securing some sponsorship :)
Bad choice for a bat company; will send wrong signals ;)
He might get sponsorship from one of those non-cricketing companies.
OR--maybe our own BlankBat is sponsoring him!!!!! :o
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I'll take your word for it. Looking forward to watching Cowan bat. Missed the first innings was busy having one too many beers.
A bit overtime by India. Thanks to Ashwin.
Tea time!!
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Aussies 51 infront. They'll most definitely be happy with that.
Only one result possible - Aus win the game.
Miracles? ................ late for this Christmas and too early for the next.
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You mean the Phil Hughes rulebook? :D
Yes, exactly!
When Strauss caught Hughes at Lords in 2009 when the ball bounced 6 inches in front of Strauss.
Of course Ian Botham did not call Strauss a cheat.
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I feel India's only chance is to bowl well and hope Australia self destruct.
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Of course Ian Botham did not call Strauss a cheat.
Botham does seem to think the England team can do no wrong sometimes. Much like Ian Healy in Australia and Ravi Shastri in India.
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I feel India's only chance is to bowl well and hope Australia self destruct.
After seeing Aus blow a first innings lead of 188 by capitulating for 47 in Sa just recently, NOTHING is a sure thing.
Aus have to make 350 plus to be in with a winning chance because this pitch is playing well.
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Unless a miracle happens India will lose the first test as usual. There would have been a little more chance if they were not batting last. I don't think even those lovely bats of the Hosk and our own CD's will be able to save the Indian batsmen from the deteriorating pitch when chasing anything over 225.
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Botham does seem to think the England team can do no wrong sometimes. Much like Ian Healy in Australia and Ravi Shastri in India.
Healy is annoying and Taylor cannot commentate.
Botham is generally not too bad and I simply love Bumble. I have a lot of time for Nasser Hussain and Atherton too.
Ravi Shastri biased? No! Perish the the thought!
Shastri, Gavaskar, Ganguly and Harsha Bogla are paragons of unbiased commentry!
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Healy is annoying and Taylor cannot commentate.
They both seem like over excited fans. Give me Richie Benaud all day. Only have Channel 9 coverage during Australia's home series' so I'll take the rough with the smooth. Love listening to Warne too. He always seems to want to give added insight, I guess it's something to do with being recently retired/ playing part time.
I love watching the IPL but the commentary just does my head in.
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I wish Sky would show 'The Cricket Show' during lunch.
Anyone know anywhere online that I can watch it?
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Yeah it was a goner.
I wonder where langer is today; last I heard he had jumped out through his window with joy.
Hahahahaha, lol :D
I was actually out so I missed it, but from what I saw we bowled pretty well. Pitched it up and the ball moved just enough to get the wickets.
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What's with all these top edged pulls and hooks today?
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What's with all these top edged pulls and hooks today?
Maybe extra bounce?
Either way, both batsmen struggling to make contact at all at times.
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Brother Warner gone.
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Lovely shot by Marsh to get off the mark, strange decision from Cowan to leave that ball. The match is shaping up nicely now.
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Marsh got mellowed by Yadav.
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Bloody hell, Warner and Marsh both play on.
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Hey Langer, what's the injury update on Watson?
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Now Clarke bloody chops on too, but at least this was a decent ball.
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One of those days when the bowlers are simply on song.
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Hey Langer, what's the injury update on Watson?
He twinged his calf again at the batting camp that Australia had.
People are talking about him as coming straight back in, but he was only averaging 21 over a few series when he got injured. No doubt that was due to his increased bowling load, so if he comes back in they say he will not bowl.
He became a good batsman and played for 2 years straight when he wasn't really bowling at all, then he started to increase his bowling load and his batting and body suffers. Think that tells us that he won't be able to bowl much anymore.
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BOOOM!!!! What a pull shot by Hussey.
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Hussey counterattacking. I think Australia needs a solid all rounder. Anyone in the domestic circuit you can think of who might fit the bill?
It all depends on your favorite two players now mate :)
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India to win this by 8 wickets.
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India to win this by 8 wickets.
Not so fast lad; have seen enough of India's cricket to know it.
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I have my money on Hussey and Punter!
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Not so fast lad; have seen enough of India's cricket to know it.
Have you seen much of Australias cricket to know it too???? haha.
Dont take much from losing 4-0 in England. India have always lifted for Australia and Australia have found ways to bomb tests in the space of no time, greater than any other team the last few years.
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I have my money on Hussey and Punter!
Brutus!! >:(
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Hussey counterattacking. I think Australia needs a solid all rounder. Anyone in the domestic circuit you can think of who might fit the bill?
It all depends on your favorite two players now mate :)
They have one on the sqaud, Dan Christian. He came in when Cutting was injured and has been in the squads the last 2 tests, but has missed on both occasions. Before he was picked he was leading the Sheffield Shield runs with 475 @ 59.37, but he has been overtaken as he didn't play the last shield game of the year. The stats don't show as good of a figure with his bowling, but he has actually been bowling very well but just without luck.
They were saying if Watson wasn't picked, then Christian was certain to come in as the all rounder. Dunno what happened, but must have been Cowan's brilliant form that saw him come in and Christian miss out.
For him to come in, either Ponting or Hussey had to be dropped, but the way those two are going atm, he may not come in. Dunno who would be dropped for him to come in.
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They have one on the sqaud, Dan Christian. He came in when Cutting was injured and has been in the squads the last 2 tests, but has missed on both occasions. Before he was picked he was leading the Sheffield Shield runs with 475 @ 59.37, but he has been overtaken as he didn't play the last shield game of the year. The stats don't show as good of a figure with his bowling, but he has actually been bowling very well but just without luck.
They were saying if Watson wasn't picked, then Christian was certain to come in as the all rounder. Dunno what happened, but must have been Cowan's brilliant form that saw him come in and Christian miss out.
For him to come in, either Ponting or Hussey had to be dropped, but the way those two are going atm, he may not come in. Dunno who would be dropped for him to come in.
James Fawkner is a good bowling allrounder.
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He Deffinately is.
Christian as the batting all-rounder
Faulkner as the bowling all-rounder
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I think Christian is a bit quicker, but not 100% on that.
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Punter gone...Hussey is the key now..
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Christian was there in IPL. He is a good player.
If Australia take a lead of 250 or more they will win the game I think.
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It will be tough for india to chase 300+. Also it all depends how veeru plays :)
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Hussey dropped!!
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Siddle gone.
I reckon a 350 lead would just about be enought...but not looking like getting there.
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Lyon gone lbw
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Game nicely poised I would say: remember chasing in the 4th inning is never easy lads.
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After the way he batted first innings, why move pattinson to 10?
Agree hilfenhaus is a number 11 though!
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Game nicely poised I would say: remember chasing in the 4th inning is never easy lads.
This pitch is blameless.
I would back India to make up to 300 comfortably.
Australia need 100 plus runs from teh last two wickets...and frankly, that isn't going to happen.
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good to see the aussies now have our mid ninties pessamism!
aussies are easily favourites now, but vvs is the best at managing a run chase in the history of test cricket... going to be a great day tomorrow
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Theres nothing wrong with the pitch. India should do this easy. This is still a very similar attack to what the Poms destroyed a year ago. Siddle, Hilfenhaus. Lyon isnt much better than Beer. Pattinson is an improvement however.
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Theres nothing wrong with the pitch. India should do this easy. This is still a very similar attack to what the Poms destroyed a year ago. Siddle, Hilfenhaus. Lyon isnt much better than Beer. Pattinson is an improvement however.
anything would be an improvement on Mitch!
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anything would be an improvement on Mitch!
Mitchell Johnson was so hit and miss it was unreal
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Mitchell Johnson was so hit and miss it was unreal
he had the mental weakness of an early 90s England bowler.
interesting that we're all talking about him in the past tense already!
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Shaping up to be an interesting match! It looks as though India will need to bat at their best in their second innings to stand a chance AND bowl well enough to keep Aus total down!
Well, the bowling well to keep Aus total down has happened! And India are in the game.
Looks like we could be in for another close finish in a Test match! 8)
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The Test cricket in recent weeks has been outstanding entertainment, and really shows the value of pitches with a bit of life in them. I hope that groundsmen/administrators the world over take notice, but fear that it will make no differnence.
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The Test cricket in recent weeks has been outstanding entertainment, and really shows the value of pitches with a bit of life in them. I hope that groundsmen/administrators the world over take notice, but fear that it will make no differnence.
I totally agree, batsmen having to work really hard for runs, bowlers having to hit a good line to take wickets. marvellous.
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Australia sure does provide entertaining tests. First up against SA, then against NZ and now India.
One could say that Australia is number 1 at keeping the excitement in test cricket ;)
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I totally agree, batsmen having to work really hard for runs, bowlers having to hit a good line to take wickets. marvellous.
Playing havoc with the sleep pattern though. Not in good form in the office this morning on two hours' sleep.
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good to see the aussies now have our mid ninties pessamism!
aussies are easily favourites now, but vvs is the best at managing a run chase in the history of test cricket... going to be a great day tomorrow
Yep VVS is going to play an important role; I was in fact relieved in a weird way when he did not get much runs in the first inning. It means he will be itching to play a bigger role in the second knock.
Test Match cricket is the best!!!
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Another gripping day of good Test Match cricket on the cards; this is what Cricinfo has to say:
Day four at the MCG, more sunshine, more promise of gripping Test cricket. Australia are already ahead by 230, which might not seem that daunting until you see that in the previous 49 years, no side has chased more than 200 to win a fourth-innings chase at the MCG. India still have Michael Hussey to contend with, and their chase will, as always, depend on what they get from Virender Sehwag
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Hussey is the key for me what a way to silence your critics by scoring a Ton under real pressure. That Aussie scorecard looks a mess apart from him and Punter (ironically the two that many were calling to be dropped, impossible now) would've got good odds on Sri Lanka dominating the Safs as well lol!!
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Anything over 250 in the 4th innings of a game, that too India chasing in the first game of an overseas tour: recipe for disaster for all the India backers :(
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I'm looking forward to it- as it's anyone's bag for the taking!!!
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got to love it when a decision goes against India where with the use of DRS it would be over-ruled
pure KARMA
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Beauty from Zaheer !
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Dropped!!!! >:(
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Pattinson chancing his arm here.
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Dropped!!!! >:(
BUt a great attempt. Zak surely has returned fitter.
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Pattinson chancing his arm here.
He has batted well. I think he should have come ahead of Siddle
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Awful bowling from India!!
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Awful bowling from India!!
This has been a problem since Eng series, tailenders always score against India. Need a slinga Malinga type bowler.
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Damn!!!
if India has 2 gully fielders like Aus did, Hif was gone. Great bowl from Zak (again)
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Half-chances not going India's way.
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Half-chances not going India's way.
Too defensive field for tailenders.
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Too defensive field for tailenders.
Yes--that too in such a big ground. Not liking India's chances to be honest.
Langer just messaged me--- if Australia wins the beer will be on him.
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Last 2 wickets adding nearly 80 so far. Australia firmly in the driver's seat that too of a Porsche. India will find it difficult to catch up with them in a bi-cycle :(
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Finally!! India's agony is over
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Game On!!!
1hr of Viru's talent and game could slip from Australia's hand. Come on Viru!!!
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Right, that's it.
India require 292 to win.
It is a blameless pitch as Pattinson and Hilfenhaus have just shown, so you would expect that India should be able to do it easily, but neither team has done anything easily this year - so anything can happen.
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Sehwag and Laxman will be the key. The pitch is playing okay I feel. But 292 is quite a big task batting 4th. No team has won a game at MCG chasing a score of more than 200 batting 4th in a Test Match in the last 49 years.
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England would have had a packed slips cordon and Sehwag would be on his way already.
Attack damn it, attack!
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Love the fact the commentator has just said oz r gonna whitewash England home and away hahaha
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Love the fact the commentator has just said oz r gonna whitewash England home and away hahaha
Who was the dill who said that?
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I think it was Ian Healy but I think it wasnt said with 100% seriousness behind it.
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I think it was Ian Healy but I think it wasnt said with 100% seriousness behind it.
The fall off the Segway has hurt his head..lol
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Sehwag fails to wag. Big loss for India.
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Just want Gambhir to go so I can watch Dravid and the master !
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Just want Gambhir to go
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(....lol
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I think it was Ian Healy but I think it wasnt said with 100% seriousness behind it.
Must be taking the piss, because England will win the next two Ashes series - they are back to back after all.
It will take near on five years for Australia to fully rebuild...three if everything goes unbelievably well. That still means that the next two Ashes series are a write off.
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Gambhir goes as he did in the first innings.
Dravid and Tendulkar now have the task of gettin g things back on track.
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This is riveting; when will ICC make a Test championship for heaven's sake?????
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Tendulkar looks in fine form, today could be the day :)
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The Wall has been breached once again.
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That was a no ball no?
Shows how important DRS is....India/BCCI take note of it
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No it was not a no-ball I think; it depends on where the foot lands first. It does not count when it slides forward.
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When his foot landed, I think there was nothing behind the line.
Eitherway doesn't matter now as it won't be reversed etc
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Game, Set and Match I think. Once again India loses the first game of a tour.
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Or can these two do a Langer and Gilchrist ??(in Hobart it was against Pakistan, right?-- Vic can you confirm?)
The chances are very slim though..lol
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Holy Dhonis bat pings like crazy!!! :O
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And Tendulkar flops again under pressure situation, what's point of such record when you can't perform under pressure despite playing for 22 years?!
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There is no point in having a super pinging bat when your drives go to the fielder's hands....Canners jinxed Tendulkar...lol
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And Tendulkar flops again under pressure situation, what's point of such record when you can't perform under pressure despite playing for 22 years?!
Better than playing for 10 years at an average of 30 I would say. Though I am not a blind supporter of Tendulkar but one has to acknowledge that runs are runs; also the critics tend to discard the amount of times his runs have helped his team win. Not all of them might have come in pressure situations, simply because his stay at the wicket got rid of the pressure. People noticed Lara's under pressure runs more as he had no one else to support him which was not the case with Tendulkar.
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And Tendulkar flops again under pressure situation, what's point of such record when you can't perform under pressure despite playing for 22 years?!
I would say he is still a human. CD, are you saying he has never performed under pressure? His number of runs talk volumes. I may not know much about cricket or cricketers but look at international players talk about tendulkar, they all have BIG respect for him so do I. He is a top class player.
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But CD does have a point; Sachin could have done a tad better in these pressure situations over the years. But people are just too hard on him about this overall I think.
Back to the game: Ashwin playing an edgy cameo..lol
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Yaar I admire him a lot as player and his record speak for himself but I believe there were a lot more exceptations from him, he should have done better and steered the team
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Not even God can steer the Indian team to a victory in the first game of an overseas tour that too in a place like Australia...lol
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The fast bowlers have done a splendid job.
It is amazing what happens when you ruddy well pitch the ball up - something they didn't do for two years.
Pattinson has bowled intelligently for a young un.
It is the batting that needs a lot of remedial work.
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not so much complaining about the drs now the aussies have one and hussey nicks one and wasn't given...
just thought I would mention this!
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And Tendulkar flops again under pressure situation, what's point of such record when you can't perform under pressure despite playing for 22 years?!
Funny how things go like that. You score about 35000 international runs and people only remember the runs you didn't score.
As far as drs goes, things evened themselves out pretty nicely through the test, as generally happens in cricket. The most annoying part of the test actually involved technology when simple bowled decisions were checked for no balls. Rediculous anti-climax stuff.
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I really do fear for this Indian team. The age 35+ players will retire in a year or two. the youngsters aren't really being given a chance. the bowling lacks depth and historically has been a cause for concern.
Maybe the BCCI will abolish test cricket. I personally think that the IPL will ruin cricket in the longer term.
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I suspect the BCCI will do what they have done in the past, namely play as many games as possible in the format they do best in and play those games in India. Next year expect to see 2 tests against Zimbabwe at home followed by 50 ODI's and some t20 just before the IPL starts.
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It just shows that it's all short term thinking to me. Let's face it, world cricket needs a strong Indian team, but I cant see any indications that there will be one any time soon. This Aussie side is a shadow of the side from a few years back. To me Ashwin isn't a test spinner. I would have much preferred to have seen Ohja or Kartik, was a bit of a defensive move due to his batting.
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Why does world cricket need a strong Indian team?
Yes I would prefer to see the best teams in a contest but teams strength ebs and flows
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Problem with India is the youth are failing. They havnt managed to find anyone adequate to fill ganguly's position....... Yuvraj and Raina are duds, Kholi seems the pick of them, but looked terrible at the highest level. Is that run machine Badrinath still plundering Ranji?
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The world didn't have a strong india team for most of the 20th century and cricket seemed to manage ok lol
Not seen Ashwin turn a ball outside India. His bowling to the tale enders was a disgrace, completely lacking any flight or imagination. Compare that to Swann last year.
India, like a few countries, need to get some youngsters playing county cricket. Didnt do Zaheer any harm?
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While the performance of India is terribly disappointing but one could have easily expected it; I am going to repeat what I have said a few times already---- first game of an Aussie tour, don't even think about an Indian win. I am sure they will improve from here onwards; I don't think the Aussies have the bowling firepower like the one England displayed a few months back to subdue this Indian batting line up for an entire series.
The concern about the age is absolutely valid. I feel India had reached the peak during the last couple of seasons during which it attained the number one status in the world and also won the world cup. However, India did not and will not be able to inspire the awe that the West Indies and Australia had displayed during their reign as the top side in World Cricket simply because of a not so lethal bowling line-up outside of the subcontinent. India is now looking at a massive rebuilding process and the middle order will look quite different in about 2 years time.
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Problem with India is the youth are failing. They havnt managed to find anyone adequate to fill ganguly's position....... Yuvraj and Raina are duds, Kholi seems the pick of them, but looked terrible at the highest level. Is that run machine Badrinath still plundering Ranji?
Good points man. These are the biggest nightmares for the supporters. Can one imagine the hole in the middle order without Sachin, Laxman and Dravid? Sehwag is not in his 20s either.
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I don't think the Aussies have the bowling firepower like the one England displayed a few months back to subdue this Indian batting line up for an entire series.
Given how Pattinson, Siddle and Hilfenhaus bowled in this test, I don't think the difference is that great (IMHO).
The biggest difference is that we do not have greentop pitches in Oz like in England. Greentops are like cryptonite to these Indians. Sydney will be more to their liking as it should take turn on days four and five, Adelaide which turns a little on day five is a road and Perth, the bounce will kill them.
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Schewag is 33. Unlike Dravid/Tendulkar, he isn't a technique man it's all hand eye. Therefore I doubt he'll last more than 2-3 years as his reflexes slow. He might survive as a middle order batter a bit longer, that's how ponting and hussey are managing albeit with better techniques.
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The biggest difference is that we do not have greentop pitches in Oz like in England.
Those weren't greentops in 2011 lol! A little more grass but Lords/Oval were as pretty much white and Trent Bridge/Edgbaston weren't far off by day 2.
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The world didn't have a strong india team for most of the 20th century and cricket seemed to manage ok lol
As a sidenote then,
India have managed to win 2 world cups, 1 T20 WC.
Pakistan too has won 1 WC and 1T20 WC.
Sri-Lanka has won 1 WC too.
I wonder why some teams have missed out on these even though they have had stronger teams for a longer time...lol
Sorry guys--had to bring that one up 8)
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As a sidenote then,
India have managed to win 2 world cups, 1 T20 WC.
Pakistan too has won 1 WC and 1T20 WC.
Sri-Lanka has won 1 WC too.
I wonder why some teams have missed out on these even though they have had stronger teams for a longer time...lol
Sorry guys--had to bring that one up 8)
Im staying out of this one cause my team chokes every time....
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Schewag is 33. Unlike Dravid/Tendulkar, he isn't a technique man it's all hand eye. Therefore I doubt he'll last more than 2-3 years as his reflexes slow. He might survive as a middle order batter a bit longer, that's how ponting and hussey are managing albeit with better techniques.
Very true. Lots of good readers of the game reckon he is in his twilight now.
Gambhir looks like he's been taking batting lessons off Phil Hughes too.
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As a sidenote then,
India have managed to win 2 world cups, 1 T20 WC.
Pakistan too has won 1 WC and 1T20 WC.
Sri-Lanka has won 1 WC too.
I wonder why some teams have missed out on these even though they have had stronger teams for a longer time...lol
Sorry guys--had to bring that one up 8)
England won the last t20 wc btw
Aussie won the 1987 wc (in india)
Neither were the strongest, on paper.
Proves my point. India won the 1983 wc when the Windies were clearly the best team. India weren't a great team in any format at that time. Didin't do cricket any harm.
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England won the last t20 wc btw
Aussie won the 1987 wc (in india)
Neither were the strongest, on paper.
Proves my point. India won the 1983 wc when the Windies were clearly the best team. India weren't a great team in any format at that time. Didin't do cricket any harm.
True; it seems we are on the same page then :)
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uksaunders made a good point..I think Khans stint in county cricket developed him as a bowler, Ohja too. The BCCI is riddled with corruption and this in turn is showing in the teams failures. BCCI is the richest board in world cricket, but grass roots cricket, and the nuture is young cricketers is somewhat ignored. State preferences for team selection has not always brought about the best 11 to be selected.
Kohli needs time. Gambhir needs to be dropped. Bring in Rahane. Laxman needs to be slowly phased out, bringing in Pujara. I would have loved to see Rayadu in an Indian shirt.
I think the bowling attack looks ok. P.Kumar will be the obvious successor of khan. V.Arun will come good too. Ashwin is young and will only get better.
Normally the first test for India abroad is a no contest. Seeing India have actually made a fight of this one only inspires me to think we will go on and win the series!!!! ( forever an optimist)
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Gambhir looks like he's been taking batting lessons off Phil Hughes too.
Looks shot to me after England. Everytime somebody bangs it in he doesn't like it. Middle order safety for him and not being available to tour :)
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Yes, but brace yourself for a couple of years of struggle though as the old players retire and new ones try to take their place.
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I know..still havent been able to replace dada
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Rohit Sharma, Pujara, Badrinath and Mukund need to be given an extended run.
Kohli is a show pony in the mould of Yuvraj Singh...loves the flat track and short boundries of India.
The bowling looks OK, though lacking in depth. I would bring in Unadkat before Praveen Kumar.
India have young players, but the BCCI is screwing them all over with their skewed priorities.
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Unless BCCI tries to improve the pitch conditions in domestic cricket, India will always struggle to find good deadly fast bowlers. When you start your career, all fresh and bubbling with energy, and send those 145 km/hr bouncers that do not rise above the knee of the batsmen, the confidence will go only downhill from there.
I remember my playing days in University cricket-- the pitches we got were so ridiculous that it is beyond imagination. Then in the playoffs, we would sometimes get to play in a place like the Eden Gardens and it was like heaven. :)
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Those weren't greentops in 2011 lol! A little more grass but Lords/Oval were as pretty much white and Trent Bridge/Edgbaston weren't far off by day 2.
Well, there is heaps more movement through the air and off the pitch in England compared to Australia.
Maybe iot is just the Dukes and some really good mints? :)
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Unless BCCI tries to improve the pitch conditions in domestic cricket, India will always struggle to find good deadly fast bowlers. When you start your career, all fresh and bubbling with energy, and send those 145 km/hr bouncers that do not rise above the knee of the batsmen, the confidence will go only downhill from there.
I remember my playing days in University cricket-- the pitches we got were so ridiculous that it is beyond imagination. Then in the playoffs, we would sometimes get to play in a place like the Eden Gardens and it was like heaven. :)
You have played at Eden Gardens???
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Rohit Sharma, Pujara, Badrinath and Mukund need to be given an extended run.
Kohli is a show pony in the mould of Yuvraj Singh...loves the flat track and short boundries of India.
The bowling looks OK, though lacking in depth. I would bring in Unadkat before Praveen Kumar.
India have young players, but the BCCI is screwing them all over with their skewed priorities.
Fair point Vic; the problem with giving these players extended runs lies mainly with the public; don't forget-- there are a billion selectors out there and extended failures are not something they like...lol
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You have played at Eden Gardens???
Was lucky :)
That does not make me a great cricketer though----never..lol
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Pakistan seem to produce excellent fast bowlers on dead tracks...
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Kohli is a good player. Is Rahane the lad who opened in the ODI's in England? He could hook a bouncer! Big fan of Rohit Sharma, another who can play overseas.
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Kohli is a good player. Is Rahane the lad who opened in the ODI's in England? He could hook a bouncer!
We dont want him to hook; he should start by leaving the balls outside the offstump unlike the great Gambhir.
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Pakistan seem to produce excellent fast bowlers on dead tracks...
That's a puzzle right? Even SL has Malinga.
When you go to any cricket camp, the majority of the kids want to be batsmen like Sachin and Sunny and so on.
In Pakistan, the kids want to be like Wasim or Waqar or Imran. I think that helps...lol
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Shows ODIs aren't a proper test too:P
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Test Matches are the past, present and future of cricket.
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Wow, the margin of victory for Australia is the same as the total runs scored by Ponting.
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Wow, the margin of victory for Australia is the same as the total runs scored by Ponting.
Hear that Langer? Punter won you the game and you still complain ;)
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Given how Pattinson, Siddle and Hilfenhaus bowled in this test, I don't think the difference is that great (IMHO).
Really? 3 innings wins would suggest otherwise. England had little trouble in dismissing Australia regularly on these pitches (which you are implying are flat) whereas the Australian attack, which included Siddle and Hilfenhaus were toiling for what seemed like weeks at times on the same tracks. You really need to start to beat another drum.
As mentioned by thedon, India usually start slowly and after being very competitive for 3 innings of this match I expect them to get at least a draw from this series. I'd be very surprised if Nathan Lyon took a batsmans wicket all series.
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Nathon Lyon won't get anyone out as they'll do what they did after Adelaide last year, prepare grassy decks to help seamers and minimise spin. Slowed Swann down a bit but will kill Lyon.
When's Watson back btw, could see him replacing Lyon. 4 seamers and an extra batsman makes sense on these decks (and Australia's habit of collapsing).
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Pakistan seem to produce excellent fast bowlers on dead tracks...
Pakistani's are Muslim, so they have no qualms eating meat (lamb mainly, but beef also).
No coincidence that India's best fast bowler Zaheer is a muslim.
Vegeterians struggle to put on the muscle mass to bowl fast...or maybe I have no idea what I am talking about!? :)
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Pakistani's are Muslim, so they have no qualms eating meat (lamb mainly, but beef also).
No coincidence that India's best fast bowler Zaheer is a muslim.
Vegeterians struggle to put on the muscle mass to bowl fast...or maybe I have no idea what I am talking about!? :)
Maybe you have no idea...lol.. :)
1. India has more Muslims than Pakistan
2. There are plenty of non-Muslims who eat meat of many kinds, trust me ;)
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Pakistani's are Muslim, so they have no qualms eating meat (lamb mainly, but beef also).
No coincidence that India's best fast bowler Zaheer is a muslim.
Vegeterians struggle to put on the muscle mass to bowl fast...or maybe I have no idea what I am talking about!? :)
lol no you don't! maybe 20 years ago but now with sports nutrition how it is they will be fine, Perhaps during Ramadam they will struggle but other than that, have you seen the size of Dhoni?
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Pakistani's are Muslim, so they have no qualms eating meat (lamb mainly, but beef also).
No coincidence that India's best fast bowler Zaheer is a muslim.
Vegeterians struggle to put on the muscle mass to bowl fast...or maybe I have no idea what I am talking about!? :)
If this is true its very interesting! Romesh Powar must be the same religion as me :D
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Really? 3 innings wins would suggest otherwise. England had little trouble in dismissing Australia regularly on these pitches (which you are implying are flat) whereas the Australian attack, which included Siddle and Hilfenhaus were toiling for what seemed like weeks at times on the same tracks. You really need to start to beat another drum.
As mentioned by thedon, India usually start slowly and after being very competitive for 3 innings of this match I expect them to get at least a draw from this series. I'd be very surprised if Nathan Lyon took a batsmans wicket all series.
With respect, both Siddle and Hilfenhaus bowled 100% better in this test than what they did last summer.
Because of the McGrath effect, Australian bowlers over the last decade have bowled shorter lengths to contain batsmen, called "bowling dry". It worked for McGrath, but quite frankly last summer proved that in teh hands of mere mortals, it could be picked off without danger - as England did.
Under a new bowling coach(McDermott), Australia have started fuller lengths and an off stump line much like England does and it has worked wonders (funny that?)
Also, Siddle has improved out of sight since last summer - surely you could see that? Not everyone has to stay shyte for ever you know? Just look at Jimmy Anderson - averaged 85 against Australia in 2006/07, then 45 against Australia in 2009 and now 25 last summer....natural improvement. It is allowed as far as I know! :)
Last summer was the perfect storm that shall never be repeated, though I do expect England to win the next two Ashes series as they are not far away and are back to back.
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The indian lads I know drink but the pakistani lads don't? I'm as clueless/ignorant as you Vic lol
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Maybe you have no idea...lol.. :)
1. India has more Muslims than Pakistan
2. There are plenty of non-Muslims who eat meat of many kinds, trust me ;)
I am acutely aware that India has more Muslims than Pakistan, but I am also aware via Indian bloggers that Muslim Indians believe the BJP picks the Indian cricket team and discrimates against capable Indian muslim players like the Pathan brothers.
On your second point, I believe you!
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I am acutely aware that India has more Muslims than Pakistan, but I am also aware via Indian bloggers that Muslim Indians believe the BJP picks the Indian cricket team and discrimates against capable Indian muslim players like the Pathan brothers.
Come on man that is too much; the Pathan brothers have been give just too many chances....lol; no BJP does not select the team. I am sure!!!
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Come on man that is too much; the Pathan brothers have been give just too many chances....lol; no BJP does not select the team. I am sure!!!
Not my opinion bro...and yes, the Pathan brothers haven't cut the mustard when given a shot.
Many want Wasim Jaffer in the team instead of Gambhir, but as per the Pathan's, believe he will never get another go.
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Jaffer is a proven failure; Gambhir might be struggling but his record is much better.
With the awful state of Indian fast bowling, the selectors will give the cap to a naturalized Martian if he turns out to be a good bowler.
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That yadav looks promising as does Aaron I think the other 90mph bowler those 2 plus Zaheer and a spinner looks a decent attack
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All good points Mr Nicholas but lets judge them at the end of this series, not one game into it.
To say that the Aussie attack is on par with Englands is wrong. During the Ashes Englands 4th and 5th choice seamers (Tremlett and Bresnan) came into the side and took wickets. Swann v Lyon is a non contest. One area Australia do have the upper hand in, with the inclusion of Watson, is the 4th seamer, and a very handy one at that. But what it comes down to is which attack is more likely to take 20 wickets on any surface? I think theres only one answer there
Are there any changes expected in either side for the next Test down under?
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That is because their eyes have lit up bowling on these pitches; once they go back to the sub-continent the state of the pitches will automatically drain their energy out.
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Many want Wasim Jaffer in the team instead of Gambhir, but as per the Pathan's, believe he will never get another go.
Last time Wasim came he came to Australia, he looked atrocious... .think he averaged less than 10 across 3 tests, besides, he is 4 years older than Gambhir..... not an ideal replacement for a team that needs to get younger.
Even Badrinath is 31 now.
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All good points Mr Nicholas but lets judge them at the end of this series, not one game into it.
To say that the Aussie attack is on par with Englands is wrong. During the Ashes Englands 4th and 5th choice seamers (Tremlett and Bresnan) came into the side and took wickets. Swann v Lyon is a non contest. One area Australia do have the upper hand in, with the inclusion of Watson, is the 4th seamer, and a very handy one at that. But what it comes down to is which attack is more likely to take 20 wickets on any surface? I think theres only one answer there
Are there any changes expected in either side for the next Test down under?
Steady on! I didn't say "on par", I am just saying with natural improvement they are not THAT far behind.
Fourth and fifth seamer, well I think we have some reasonable ones who could take a wicket or two:
Doug Bollinger test bowling ave 25.92
Ryan Harris test bowling ave 21.37
Patrick Cummins test bowling ave 16.71
Is Swann really that good?
A test bowling average of over 40 against Australia across ten tests home and away would suggest otherwise. Cheap wickets against Bangladesh puff the average, but do little else to convince of this guys worth. He took bugger all wickets against India this summer when it was a slaughter as well.
If we could recruit two gun South African batsmen to bolster our batting, we would at least have a chance next Ashes series, but as we are not likely to do that, I expect the batting to be the weak link as England has a far better batting line up. Runs on the board build pressure.
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Cummins has played 1 game, hardly enough to judge how good he is, Bollinger has played 12 most of which have been against NZ, Pakistan or West Indies neither of which boast an even half-decent batting line-up. Harris looks very good, but has only played 8 tests which again isn't enough to judge his prowess fully.
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Steady on! I didn't say "on par", I am just saying with natural improvement they are not THAT far behind.
Fourth and fifth seamer, well I think we have some reasonable ones who could take a wicket or two:
Doug Bollinger test bowling ave 25.92
Ryan Harris test bowling ave 21.37
Patrick Cummins test bowling ave 16.71
Shame 2 of them are out for the whole summer and the other one averages about 60 in the shield this season :(
In actual fact, I agree that Australia are not too far behind (or even behind at all) in terms of ability...... Just the English planning and execution was far superior in the last 2 ashes series. The whole "don't wildly slash at stuff outside off" never sunk in for Australia...... Mitchel Johnson was on an epic crusade to hurl balls all over the shop and the selectors were self-destructing picking Hughes and Steve Smith for vital roles.
Neither team are really that impressive...... England just are doing the basics very well, and Australia are hardly doing them at all.
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Why does world cricket need a strong Indian team?
Yes I would prefer to see the best teams in a contest but teams strength ebs and flows
Because India is an emerging economic power and they have alot to offer. The blame has to lie with the curators the tracks are docile and batting paradices no lateral movement at all. They need to get their batting accustomed to the moving ball.
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Cummins has played 1 game, hardly enough to judge how good he is, Bollinger has played 12 most of which have been against NZ, Pakistan or West Indies neither of which boast an even half-decent batting line-up. Harris looks very good, but has only played 8 tests which again isn't enough to judge his prowess fully.
Agreed!
My point is, how many tests have Tremlett and Bresnan played in comparison?
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Swann got plenty of wickets against Pakistan, they can play spin. Wasn't he the leading english wicket taker in the SA series over in SA. Being the no2 side in the world I suppose that doesn't count. Swann's success in oz, as already mentioned, was limited after Adelaide by the wickets produced.
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Agreed!
My point is, how many tests have Tremlett and Bresnan played in comparison?
They have played Aus/India/SL - real minnows. Bres played Bangladesh away, a seamers paradise lol
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Shame 2 of them are out for the whole summer and the other one averages about 60 in the shield this season :(
In actual fact, I agree that Australia are not too far behind (or even behind at all) in terms of ability...... Just the English planning and execution was far superior in the last 2 ashes series. The whole "don't wildly slash at stuff outside off" never sunk in for Australia...... Mitchel Johnson was on an epic crusade to hurl balls all over the shop and the selectors were self-destructing picking Hughes and Steve Smith for vital roles.
Neither team are really that impressive...... England just are doing the basics very well, and Australia are hardly doing them at all.
On your final point, I respectfully have to disagree.
England are a very well balanced team that is in the right age range to have great success over the next three to five years.
Trott and Pietersen are genuine superstars and the rest all perform their roles to perfection - even Swanny, who bowls thousands of overs to tie up an end and let the fast men do their stuff from the other end.
The very fact that Australia relied on Ponting and Hussey to win this test should not be lost on anyone. Neither will be playing in the next Ashes series, so Australia has to blood a reliable top six fast.
The bowling department and the keeping department (Paine or Wade) will be fine...the batting on the other hand is years away from being solid.
That is why I think England will win the next two Ashes series.
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Bresnan has a freakish record...... 10 tests, no draws, no losses, 10 wins.
Lucky fat Yorkshire lardo.
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Swann got plenty of wickets against Pakistan, they can play spin. Wasn't he the leading english wicket taker in the SA series over in SA. Being the no2 side in the world I suppose that doesn't count. Swann's success in oz, as already mentioned, was limited after Adelaide by the wickets produced.
Given that Sri Lanka is giving SA a bath in SA, I dunno that they carry that much currency any more.
Also, Hauritz took two fiver fers (in a three test series) against Pakistan as well...your point is?
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Would most international batsmen prefer to face Tremlett or Bollinger? It wouldn't take a team meeting to figure that one out.
I don't judge merely by stats Mr Nicholas, I use my eyes aswell. Its hard for Swann to pick up too many 5fers when the fast men are bowling sides out for paltry totals. When England have needed him he's taken the wickets. And I only said he was better then Lyon which is undisputable. Ask Marcus North if Swann can bowl!
By quoting bowling averages you are comparing Ryan Harris with Dennis Lillee and Waqar Younis - are you serious? Cricket (and this can be related to all team sports) is not about individuals having inflated averages its about winning matches and Engalnd have been doing alot more of that than Australia of late
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Also, Hauritz took two fiver fers (in a three test series) against Pakistan as well...your point is?
The selectors should've stuck with him, hes alot better bowler and bat than Lyon
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Englands attack is lightyears above Australia. But I think Siddle doesnt look so bad when he doesnt have a bowler leaking 5 an over like Johnson as it doesnt take the pressure off.
Anderson is the best bowler between the two sides, and Swann is lightyears above Lyon. The biggest difference is in however the batting. If you picked a combined England/Australia batting lineup then Cook, Strauss, Trott, Pieterson, Bell would be the first 5 picked and Prior would be the keeper. Australia might get a sixth bat in there, maybe Clarke/Ponting (Who were both made to look village by england last summer).
Englands batsman when they go well score hundreds, australias batsman score 70s
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To be honest, if I picked a batsman to slot into the England top 6, it would be either Clarke or (most likely) Hussey! I know Hussey is older but he still has the class!!
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Plus Hussey and Bell could compare their Kook bats at the same time! ;)
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The selectors should've stuck with him, hes alot better bowler and bat than Lyon
Better batsman I agree.
Bowler - about the same.
Hauritz was hard done by.
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What was the reason for him being dropped?
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Would most international batsmen prefer to face Tremlett or Bollinger? It wouldn't take a team meeting to figure that one out.
Save for one bad test in his career when he came back after injury (IPL CL related) fat and unfit against England last summer, Bollinger was bloody impressive in the tests he played.
He has never played for Oz again and even he opined on radio recently that he wonders if he upset one of the selectors or something?
The guy is an excellent left armer...deadly accurate with great seam movement, but like Hauritz, he will never play for Australia again and no one has ever been notified why.
In the IPL he is greatly respected for getting top order wickets...so to answer your question, in the opposition dressing rooms, Bolly would be just as feared as any going around.
Reminds me of Brad Hodge...a champion batsman who the selectors disliked for whatever reason.
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What was the reason for him being dropped?
Accoreding to the man himself - no reason was ever given.
He found out via the media that he wasn't picked in last years first Ashes test team.
They picked Doherty...then seeing the folly of that, then Beer!?!
No wonder we never stood a chance.
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To be honest, if I picked a batsman to slot into the England top 6, it would be either Clarke or (most likely) Hussey! I know Hussey is older but he still has the class!!
Hussey is also an A grade bat nerd!
That has to count for something!
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An interesting debate that misses the important point that bowlers hunt in pairs. Who are the pairs for Australia and India?
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An interesting debate that misses the important point that bowlers hunt in pairs. Who are the pairs for Australia and India?
Considering all fast bowlers bowled well in this test I would say they hunted in 3's
Sharma Pattinson
Yadav V's Hilfenhaus
Khan Siddle
All Bowled quite well
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The guy is an excellent left armer...deadly accurate with great seam movement, but like Hauritz, he will never play for Australia again and no one has ever been notified why.
In the IPL he is greatly respected for getting top order wickets...so to answer your question, in the opposition dressing rooms, Bolly would be just as feared as any going around.
Bollinger is an odd one, isn;t he? Ponting was pretty clear after that debacle that he wouldn't pick a bowler who wasn't fit to bowl through an entire test, and that label has kind of stuck to him now. Yet oddly they've been quite happy since to play Harris - great bowler but about as injury prone as anyone on earth - and Johnson, whose mental fitness is debateable at times.
That said, I'm not sure that I rate him THAT highly. As a one day bowler, he's great - a bit of variety, bit of movement - but as a Test bowler, nope, I'm not convinced. Perhaps thats tainted by his performance against England and when an overseas player here, but I just don't see him as a big threat kind of guy.
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Was mentioned before, so much easier to build pressure when you don't have a bowler (Johnson) releasing it at the other end. We are a young keeper away from heading towards number 1 again.
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Was mentioned before, so much easier to build pressure when you don't have a bowler (Johnson) releasing it at the other end. We are a young keeper away from heading towards number 1 again.
I would say also 2 middle order bats lol
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I think Watson will fill one of those slots.
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Englands attack is lightyears above Australia. But I think Siddle doesnt look so bad when he doesnt have a bowler leaking 5 an over like Johnson as it doesnt take the pressure off.
Anderson is the best bowler between the two sides, and Swann is lightyears above Lyon. The biggest difference is in however the batting. If you picked a combined England/Australia batting lineup then Cook, Strauss, Trott, Pieterson, Bell would be the first 5 picked and Prior would be the keeper. Australia might get a sixth bat in there, maybe Clarke/Ponting (Who were both made to look village by england last summer).
Englands batsman when they go well score hundreds, australias batsman score 70s
Ahhh Hads!!
The man who stated with the strongest belief that "India always lift against Australia" chimes in yet again!
Your two main bowlers Anderson and Broad average more than Mitch Johnson and about the same as Peter Siddle.
Light years eh?
Pattinson, Cummins, Harris and Bollinger all average mid teens/early 20's. Pattinson and Cummins will not be able to maintain such low bowling averages, but they will never blow out to 30 plus averages like the English legends Anderson, Broad, Flintoff and Harmison who are considered the gold standard of fast bowlers around here.
Swann 28.82
Lyon 27.47
Light years ahead of Lyon? Maybe you meant to say about 9 years older than Lyon? Swann will be retired in 3 years time (maybe sooner if doesn't start taking some wickets soon) while Lyon has a decade ahead of him.
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I think Watson will fill one of those slots.
Yeah true, perhaps also a spinner? You're definitely looking as though you're going in the right direction. would like to see Marsh and Warner given a good go in the side, I think both of them are very decent. Pace department looks good. i agree though, a bit difficult to look towards the future when nearly 1/3 of your team is nearing the end of their careers, although atm I believe that Hussey deserves his spot in the team. Don't know enough of Haddin's form to say whether he deserves his spot or not.
[edit] Although you say that you think Lyon will fill the spinners role? I don't know anything about him lol, is he a bit more of a prospect than Beer and Doherty?
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Englands attack is lightyears above Australia. But I think Siddle doesnt look so bad when he doesnt have a bowler leaking 5 an over like Johnson as it doesnt take the pressure off.
Anderson is the best bowler between the two sides, and Swann is lightyears above Lyon. The biggest difference is in however the batting. If you picked a combined England/Australia batting lineup then Cook, Strauss, Trott, Pieterson, Bell would be the first 5 picked and Prior would be the keeper. Australia might get a sixth bat in there, maybe Clarke/Ponting (Who were both made to look village by england last summer).
Englands batsman when they go well score hundreds, australias batsman score 70s
From the ashes and the next series form (again'st SL - 3 man of the matches out of 3), it would easily be Hussey for Australia. He had a lean run against SA and NZ, but he looked the goods during his 89. So it would either be Hussey or Clarke.
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Was mentioned before, so much easier to build pressure when you don't have a bowler (Johnson) releasing it at the other end. We are a young keeper away from heading towards number 1 again.
Steady on!!!
We have the keepers.
Either Paine or Wade would do the trick - both better than the fast fading Haddin.
We will not get anywhere near #1 until we have an established and reliable top six...and we are not even close to that.
It will take about five years to bed down your Maddinsons, Lynns, Harris and Pattersons in the batting order. Three of them are still teenagers.
Enjoy the ride as it will be fun, but have patience because Rome was not built in a day and the all conquering Aussie side of the 90/200's was about five years in the making too.
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Yeah true, perhaps also a spinner? You're definitely looking as though you're going in the right direction. would like to see Marsh and Warner given a good go in the side, I think both of them are very decent. Pace department looks good. i agree though, a bit difficult to look towards the future when nearly 1/3 of your team is nearing the end of their careers, although atm I believe that Hussey deserves his spot in the team. Don't know enough of Haddin's form to say whether he deserves his spot or not.
[edit] Although you say that you think Lyon will fill the spinners role? I don't know anything about him lol, is he a bit more of a prospect than Beer and Doherty?
In regards to Haddin - NO!
Worst thing is that he thinks he is going well and says he wants to play for a while yet. That made me laugh when I read it, hahah :D
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Enjoy the ride as it will be fun, but have patience because Rome was not built in a day and the all conquering Aussie side of the 90/200's was about five years in the making too.
I am looking forward to this team evolving, it looks as though there is a decent nucleus of a side in there somewhere. I am a huge fan of both Warner and Marsh as I have mentioned. Not too sure about the bowlers although your Pattinson looks a lot better than ours did lol.
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If Haddin retired at the end of last summers Ashes (at the age of 33), he would have bowed out with dignity and an excellent test batting average of around 40 odd.
Now one year on, he is a shadow of himself and his average has fallen to about 36.
Looks clunky behind the stumps in the last few series as well.
Times up.
We have younger and better options.
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If Haddin retired at the end of last summers Ashes (at the age of 33), he would have bowed out with dignity and an excellent test batting average of around 40 odd.
Now one year on, he is a shadow of himself and his average has fallen to about 36.
Looks clunky behind the stumps in the last few series as well.
Times up.
We have younger and better options.
Who's the Wade character then?
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I am looking forward to this team evolving, it looks as though there is a decent nucleus of a side in there somewhere. I am a huge fan of both Warner and Marsh as I have mentioned. Not too sure about the bowlers although your Pattinson looks a lot better than ours did lol.
To be fair Pattinson senior didn't play FC cricket until he was 29...and a few months later he was playing for England somehow.
I didn't think he was THAT bad in that test...but he was not in the same league as the guys coming through, so there was no point in playing him in the first place.
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I think they picked him as a seamer on a Headingley pitch that had no sideways movement in it, and you're right he was solid if unspectacular and shouldn't have had his spot in the first place. If a more established name had had that game he wouldn't have been dropped lol.
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Lyon is going great guns, biggest problem is every spinner gets compared to warne, no one is ever going to fill his boots. The thing I find most frustrating is our media and a lot of fans, they complained when we smashed everyone, now nearly all of the tests are very close, our record against everyone bar England over the last 3 years is pretty good and we are now not worth feeding, it's bizzare. Aussies are not what we were but we are a good competitive test team that is just struggling for some consistency, selections of the last few years have not helped.
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Who's the Wade character then?
Matty Wade
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/content/player/230193.html
Excellent gloveman and a hard hitting left handed batsman.
Timmy Paine is more of a top order style batsman rather than an attacking wicket keeper batsman type. Paine had his finger broken in an meaningless exhibition T20 game by Dirk Nannes last summer just before the Ashes and his finger has never fully recovered giving Haddin a reprieve.
With Wade coming through, Paine may have to reinvent himself as a top order batsman only - which is not silly because he played for Tassie as just a batsman when he started and made a 215 in his third FC match as an opener. His finger may never be up to keeping again...so all options will have to be considered.
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Vic, you've done this before. Looking at lifetime averages just indicates how good someone is over their career and doesn't show that in the "easy" games versus Bangladesh in Australia or West Indies in Australia someone gets a bunch of wickets for not a lot of runs. In the real tests, under pressure, they go to pieces and get battered. Or, in the early part of their career, they didn't do so well, but in the last two years have been great. Lifetime averages just don't show this, so as a way of making a comparison are a bit of an empty exercise.
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Bollinger wouldn't be in the top 8 english seamers. I'm talking about Test cricket not IPL. When I watched him he showed fight and swing early on but got far too inconsistent as he tired. Maybe the selectors should have persisted with him though and he might've improved like Siddle has.
Johnson for me is a loose cannon and I honestly don't know if i'd pick him or not, he could almost be treated like a leg-spinner when weighing up the pros and cons of selection - will win matches almost singlehandedly on his day but in between will be expensive. Maybe being a decent bat at 8 has kept him in the side?
I feel for Hauritz as he certainly wasn't the worst spinner Aus have tried since Warne.
Why keep talking about stats and averages Vic? - its pointless unless the players you are comparing have played the exact same number of matches against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions or have played long and varied careers. Its also extremely boring.
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Sorry Tim I seem to have mirrored your post there to a certain extent at the end
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Vic, you've done this before. Looking at lifetime averages just indicates how good someone is over their career and doesn't show that in the "easy" games versus Bangladesh in Australia or West Indies in Australia someone gets a bunch of wickets for not a lot of runs. In the real tests, under pressure, they go to pieces and get battered. Or, in the early part of their career, they didn't do so well, but in the last two years have been great. Lifetime averages just don't show this, so as a way of making a comparison are a bit of an empty exercise.
We haven't played Bangladesh since 2006 (two tests there).
Before that it was early 2000's as Steve Waugh was still captain (two tests here).
Only Ponting and Clarke of this team have played them before.
So our boys haven't had the opportunities like some to fill their boots with meaningless runs and wickets.
Everybody else has played them many more times.
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I think you are seeing the demise of Indian cricket before your eyes. Certainty at Test match level.
I think the Indian IPL has alot to do with it.
I just cannot see anyone in the Indian set up at the moment who will replace Dravid and Tendulkar.
Those two still have alot to give however you have to ask yourself why Laxman is still playing.
Maybe the Indians do not have much in their state cricket to replace these guys. Sureley they must be a talent pool to choose from?
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Bollinger wouldn't be in the top 8 english seamers. I'm talking about Test cricket not IPL. When I watched him he showed fight and swing early on but got far too inconsistent as he tired. Maybe the selectors should have persisted with him though and he might've improved like Siddle has.
Johnson for me is a loose cannon and I honestly don't know if i'd pick him or not, he could almost be treated like a leg-spinner when weighing up the pros and cons of selection - will win matches almost singlehandedly on his day but in between will be expensive. Maybe being a decent bat at 8 has kept him in the side?
I feel for Hauritz as he certainly wasn't the worst spinner Aus have tried since Warne.
Why keep talking about stats and averages Vic? - its pointless unless the players you are comparing have played the exact same number of matches against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions or have played long and varied careers. Its also extremely boring.
I repeat, Bollinger has a test average of 25 and bowled beautifully against India IN India only last year. He has clearly upset somebody and his papers have been stamped "never to play test cricket again". He would walk into most international line ups with the exception of South Africa's probably.
No point talking him up now - his cards have been marked.
Johnson is a killer. Will bowl brilliantly in two tests a year, then bowl like a leper for the rest of the time. His good is unbelievably good...his bad is useless. Forget it.
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hello
I think you are seeing the demise of Indian cricket before your eyes. Certainty at Test match level.
I think the Indian IPL has alot to do with it.
I just cannot see anyone in the Indian set up at the moment who will replace Dravid and Tendulkar.
Those two still have alot to give however you have to ask yourself why Laxman is still playing.
Maybe the Indians do not have much in their state cricket to replace these guys. Sureley they must be a talent pool to choose from?
They have hundreds...sorry, thousands of Tendulkars and Dravids to choose from, but in the corrupt world of Indian cricket, most of these talented youngsters parents cannot afford the bribes to get their kids out of the village and into a Ranji team.
If India ever got its act together, they would be #1 for all eternity as they have a never ending talent pool just waiting to get a chance.
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Vic, you've done this before. Looking at lifetime averages just indicates how good someone is over their career and doesn't show that in the "easy" games versus Bangladesh in Australia or West Indies in Australia someone gets a bunch of wickets for not a lot of runs. In the real tests, under pressure, they go to pieces and get battered. Or, in the early part of their career, they didn't do so well, but in the last two years have been great. Lifetime averages just don't show this, so as a way of making a comparison are a bit of an empty exercise.
very much agree
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Similair to China I should think when they pull their finger out, as has been written in AOC.
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What rot vic, Bolinger simply needs to stay fit and take wickets to be considered again, with how well the new guys have been going he has slipped back in the pecking order. The majority of your cricket knowledge seems to come from the internet Vic, much of it unfounded rumour.
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Bollinger wouldn't be in the top 8 english seamers. I'm talking about Test cricket not IPL. When I watched him he showed fight and swing early on but got far too inconsistent as he tired. Maybe the selectors should have persisted with him though and he might've improved like Siddle has.
Johnson for me is a loose cannon and I honestly don't know if i'd pick him or not, he could almost be treated like a leg-spinner when weighing up the pros and cons of selection - will win matches almost singlehandedly on his day but in between will be expensive. Maybe being a decent bat at 8 has kept him in the side?
I feel for Hauritz as he certainly wasn't the worst spinner Aus have tried since Warne.
Why keep talking about stats and averages Vic? - its pointless unless the players you are comparing have played the exact same number of matches against the exact same opposition in the exact same conditions or have played long and varied careers. Its also extremely boring.
Not boring.
Just the fact that stats show that Anderson (arguably Englands best bowler) averages about the same as Mitch Johnson (Australia's worst bowler in your eyes) and they have played a similar amount of tests - save for the fact that Johnson has never had the opportunity to fill his boots against Bangladesh as we have never played them in the entirety of Johnsons career of five years.
If Johnson was afforded four tests against Bangladesh, I am sure he could get his average below that of Andersons again (even in his current form).
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(Bollinger) He would walk into most international line ups with the exception of South Africa's probably.
Sorry but he wouldn't get anywhere close to SA or England Test bowling attack!
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What rot vic, Bolinger simply needs to stay fit and take wickets to be considered again, with how well the new guys have been going he has slipped back in the pecking order. The majority of your cricket knowledge seems to come from the internet Vic, much of it unfounded rumour.
I have to laugh.
Bollinger on radio SEN (a 24 hour sports radio station here in Melbourne) stated in an interview (seriously) "I am not sure if I upset someone...I have always given my best efforts". He also said "I basically had one bad test after being rushed back from a leg injury and after all our bowlers got flogged - I was the only one dropped? I am not sure why?"
OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT.
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Sorry but he wouldn't get anywhere close to SA or England Test bowling attack!
Not now he wouldn't.
But 18 months ago he was better than Morkel and Ntini who was still playing.
Way better.
In mid 2010 he was way better than Broad too.
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Vic averages aren't the be all and end all in cricket. Freddie had a average averages with both bat and ball but the presence and sense of belief he bought to the England could never be measured and underestimated. Get off cricinfo and start watching some actual cricket.
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Vic, the problem is you're on a forum with loads of english cricket fans, at a time when England are No. 1 in the world and Australia are being routinely humiliated. You need to be weaned off the McGrath and Warne era, you've been taken off too quickly and your persona doesn't aid this in any way.
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Vic averages aren't the be all and end all in cricket. Freddie had a average averages with both bat and ball but the presence and sense of belief he bought to the England could never be measured and underestimated. Get off cricinfo and start watching some actual cricket.
I watch cricket basically 24/7 - so stick that in your pipe and smoke it.
When people start talking about "he brings confidence to the dressing room way beyond his actual contribution on the field" they are basically talking about someone who is an ORDINARY player.
Flintoff had TWO excellent series.
Against South Africa 2004 and Australia in 2005.
That is it.
His cod ordinary figures back up that fact.
He was a serial under performer who promised much - but delivered little.
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Possibly! I'll give you that 18 months ago he may have stood a chance.
But there's a very decent quality waiting list of pace in the queue for the England test team right now where you could argue a case for all of them - and even the likes of Trem will struggle to get in if Onions and co are all fit!! Granted it's a luxury we haven't experienced often!!! ;)
And I am of the thinking that Bollinger is decent and if he were fit and encouraged, he would be a decent bowler for Aus!
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Sure you heard, but Paine's finger didn't heal properly and he is out for another 3-4 months.
Without his keeping, Paine wouldn't make it in the team as a batsman, as there are far better options out there.
Wade is the clear choice. He is solid, averaging 40.16 over his career, and isn't overly aggressive, as his strike rate of 49.57 shows. I'm sure the selectors probably don't want to bring another new player to the team, but when Haddin is dropping catches, not scoring any runs, and unsure of himself (doesn't know whether to play naturally and attack, or be patient) there is absolutely no advantage keeping him in the team. Would be much better off bringing in Wade now, and giving him time to develop prior to the next ashes series.
Wade has scored 316 in 6 innings at 63.20 this year, so I am at a loss as to why they presist with Haddin who isn't performing, and worse still, isn't sure of himself. I know stats aren't everything, but in this case I think they are important, as Haddin isn't offering anything to the team atm.
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Well Bollinger never promised much and hasn't delivered much!
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Vic, the problem is you're on a forum with loads of english cricket fans, at a time when England are No. 1 in the world and Australia are being routinely humiliated. You need to be weaned off the McGrath and Warne era, you've been taken off too quickly and your persona doesn't aid this in any way.
I understand I am not going to get any love from an all English forum.
I DO however watch alot of English first class cricket - how many of you watch Australian first class cricket??
Routinely humiliated?
We got hammered in one Ashes series in our annus horribilus.
We have lost the odd test before and since, but by and large, we have been competitive. Even with the shyte selections and players losing all sense of form that they once possessed all at once.
We are in regeneration mode right now and it will take time. We are roughly where you guys were in 1992 when Gooch and co were retiring.
Do you honestly think it will take us 13 years to win an Ashes series again?
I will let you ponder that thought.
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I have to laugh.
Bollinger on radio SEN (a 24 hour sports radio station here in Melbourne) stated in an interview (seriously) "I am not sure if I upset someone...I have always given my best efforts". He also said "I basically had one bad test after being rushed back from a leg injury and after all our bowlers got flogged - I was the only one dropped? I am not sure why?"
OR WORDS TO THAT EFFECT.
He started off okay at best this year, but got injured a little while ago, so that meant he missed out
Bollinger is a long, long way back now, behind the likes of Harris, Siddle, Pattinson, Cummins, Hillfenhaus, Cutting, Starc, Faulkner, Hazlewood, Mitch Marsh, Bird, Herrick.
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Well Bollinger never promised much and hasn't delivered much!
A test bowling average of 25 would suggest otherwise I would have thought.
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I understand I am not going to get any love from an all English forum.
I DO however watch alot of English first class cricket - how many of you watch Australian first class cricket??
Routinely humiliated?
We got hammered in one Ashes series in our annus horribilus.
We have lost the odd test before and since, but by and large, we have been competitive. Even with the shyte selections and players losing all sense of form that they once possessed all at once.
We are in regeneration mode right now and it will take time. We are roughly where you guys were in 1992 when Gooch and co were retiring.
Do you honestly think it will take us 13 years to win an Ashes series again?
I will let you ponder that thought.
You seem to be assuming that Australia are the only team that will do any improving over the next 5 years.
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Sure you heard, but Paine's finger didn't heal properly and he is out for another 3-4 months.
Without his keeping, Paine wouldn't make it in the team as a batsman, as there are far better options out there.
Wade is the clear choice. He is solid, averaging 40.16 over his career, and isn't overly aggressive, as his strike rate of 49.57 shows. I'm sure the selectors probably don't want to bring another new player to the team, but when Haddin is dropping catches, not scoring any runs, and unsure of himself (doesn't know whether to play naturally and attack, or be patient) there is absolutely no advantage keeping him in the team. Would be much better off bringing in Wade now, and giving him time to develop prior to the next ashes series.
Wade has scored 316 in 6 innings at 63.20 this year, so I am at a loss as to why they presist with Haddin who isn't performing, and worse still, isn't sure of himself. I know stats aren't everything, but in this case I think they are important, as Haddin isn't offering anything to the team atm.
It has become a no brainer - hasn't it?
Wade is in great form and on an upward curve and Haddin is on the descent.
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You seem to be assuming that Australia are the only team that will do any improving over the next 5 years.
I am not assuming anything.
Just based on Australia's past history, we regenerate faster than anybody every time.
We will not take 13 years to win the Ashes back.
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He started off good this year, but got injured a little while ago, so that meant he missed out
Bollinger is a way back now, behind the likes of Harris, Siddle, Pattinson, Cummins, Hillfenhaus, Cutting and Hazelwood.
Also Starc, Faulkner and a bolter in Jackson Bird.
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I am not assuming anything.
Just based on Australia's past history, we regenerate faster than anybody every time.
We will not take 13 years to win the Ashes back.
Ok mate, find me proof and I shall listen. Of course no-one is anywhere near as good as Australia in any sense of the word.
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Just based on Australia's past history, we regenerate faster than anybody every time.
We will not take 13 years to win the Ashes back.
Dunno about that speed - you had a pretty woeful run throughout the 80s! :D
I don't personally think the 13 year comment is relevant - unless a team develops a team of galcticos a la Waugh, Hayden, Gilchrist, Martyn, Ponting, Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, MacGill then you're not likely to see such a long run of victories any time soon, and its important to stress that whilst the 91,93,95 England sides were worse than woeful, they also fielded some very decent sides against Australia during that period - 97 was a decent team, 01 a team on the up and 03, had they had everyone fit, very competitive.
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Stronger team?
In - Watson, Wade,Hauritz (I know it won't happen lol)
Out - Marsh, Haddin, Lyon
Bat deeper, extra seamer.
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Watching what has been some very exciting Test cricket over the lasst few months it has become apparent that there are a lot of very average Test teams around the world at the moment and one very good one. Most of the top tier of Test teams have some gaping holes in their line ups.
Australia: Promising bowling attack, but an inexperienced top order, and players that routinely struggle against the moving ball. A wicketkeeper who is a liability.
India: An ageing batting line up with an opener (Gambhir) who looks all at sea, and a bowling attack that lacks firepower
South Africa: Lacking an opening batsman and a decent no. 6. Wicketkeeper is finished as a Test batsman.
Sri Lanka: Bowling attack missing the stars of Murali, Malinga and Vaas, and a captain who barely deserves a place in the batting order
Pakistan: Promising side but hurt by the fact that they can't play at home at the moment, and a batting line up that lacks inspiration
England: The only hole in the side would appear to be at no. 6 but there are a host of top quality young batsmen waiting to fill the spot. Top 5 batters are world class, and the best keeper/batsman in world cricket (now Sangakkara doesn't keep anymore). Best spinner in the world, and a conveyor belt of excellent seam bowlers who can bowl well in all conditions in Test cricket.
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Stronger team?
In - Watson, Wade,Hauritz (I know it won't happen lol)
Out - Marsh, Haddin, Lyon
Bat deeper, extra seamer.
Watson wont bowl much at all. All his injury problems come from his bowling, so he would only bowl a couple of overs here and there. His batting and body improved out of sight when he stopped bowling, but he started bowling more again, which led to his batting and body suffering.
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Not boring.
Just the fact that stats show that Anderson (arguably Englands best bowler) averages about the same as Mitch Johnson (Australia's worst bowler in your eyes) and they have played a similar amount of tests - save for the fact that Johnson has never had the opportunity to fill his boots against Bangladesh as we have never played them in the entirety of Johnsons career of five years.
If Johnson was afforded four tests against Bangladesh, I am sure he could get his average below that of Andersons again (even in his current form).
Very boring. Sky Sports don't have a list of averages up between the hours of play and the winner is determined from this. They show the competition of two teams playing against each other. It is sport, opposing teams playing against each other in a pressure situation - and Anderson comfortably out-performed every Australian bowler on the field.
This has nothing to do with your nationality or the nationality of other forum members - its to do with you talking absolute rubbish quite often. No-one cares that you watch alot of cricket, most people on this forum do. If you rate Johnson as an equal or better bowler than Anderson then I would suggest you begin watching another sport '24/7' because cricket obviously isn't for you
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Watching what has been some very exciting Test cricket over the lasst few months it has become apparent that there are a lot of very average Test teams around the world at the moment and one very good one. Most of the top tier of Test teams have some gaping holes in their line ups.
Australia: Promising bowling attack, but an inexperienced top order, and players that routinely struggle against the moving ball. A wicketkeeper who is a liability.
India: An ageing batting line up with an opener (Gambhir) who looks all at sea, and a bowling attack that lacks firepower
South Africa: Lacking an opening batsman and a decent no. 6. Wicketkeeper is finished as a Test batsman.
Sri Lanka: Bowling attack missing the stars of Murali, Malinga and Vaas, and a captain who barely deserves a place in the batting order
Pakistan: Promising side but hurt by the fact that they can't play at home at the moment, and a batting line up that lacks inspiration
England: The only hole in the side would appear to be at no. 6 but there are a host of top quality young batsmen waiting to fill the spot. Top 5 batters are world class, and the best keeper/batsman in world cricket (now Sangakkara doesn't keep anymore). Best spinner in the world, and a conveyor belt of excellent seam bowlers who can bowl well in all conditions in Test cricket.
Few things I disagree with but otherwise a reasonable summary. Dilshan does deserve a place in the Sri Lankan side, but he is not and never will be a test match opening batsman - he needs to be coming in at five or six. I wonder what happened to Tharanga, who looked okay a few years back, or whether someone like Prasanna could be moved up the order?
The Yarpies - good side, but they bottle too easily. Rudolph deserves his run in the side (and I am not just saying that because he was such a great servant to Yorkshire) but is not necessarily best suited to the top order - Id have had Prince opening, Rudolph at five and De Villiers six personally.
India....erm, not sure they have that much to offer. Dravid apart, the batsmen all look shot (appreciate that with SRT that is a nerves issue as much as anything) and their bowling is shamefully weak!
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Can't say I agree with Bollinger being hard done by..... Injured in T20 committments (and alegedly under the weather from the celebrations), he was ordinary for a few tests, then declared unfit.
Dropped back to shield to find some fitness and form, he has only managed to front for 2 games, took 4 wickets in 1 innings and still only has 5 for the season at an average of about 60.
Hauritz is a different story..... While he is not the biggest turner of the ball and not ideal on subcontinental tracks, he is the best spinner on home tracks, and he scored 2 shield centuries last year (noone scored more than 3). His problem was Ponting was a horrendous captain of spin. Warne ran his own show and was a magician anyway..... A young spinner, who is not and will never be Warne was bound to lose confidence in Ponting's sides because he treated spinners as a defensive way to rest the seamers instead of as an attacking option.
Fitness is critical as this Australian team rebuilds....Particularly amongst bowlers while there is no go through some overs (effectively too). I think thats why Bollinger and Harris are being discarded until they have proven fitness over a decent period.... Marsh, I'd write him off too til he works on his fitness, but in the absence of choice, he will be picked.
The frustration is this exciting new BiG bAsH farce is on for 2 months so there is no real way to prove match fitness.
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Very boring. Sky Sports don't have a list of averages up between the hours of play and the winner is determined from this. They show the competition of two teams playing against each other. It is sport, opposing teams playing against each other in a pressure situation - and Anderson comfortably out-performed every Australian bowler on the field.
This has nothing to do with your nationality or the nationality of other forum members - its to do with you talking absolute rubbish quite often. No-one cares that you watch alot of cricket, most people on this forum do. If you rate Johnson as an equal or better bowler than Anderson then I would suggest you begin watching another sport '24/7' because cricket obviously isn't for you
Again you miss the point.
Anderson out performed the Australian bowlers in ONE series.
Where was he in 2006/07 and 2009?
In fact, in the 2009 Ashes, Hilfenhaus, Siddle AND Johnson ALL out performed Anderson.
Comfortably too.
He had one very good series against the worst and most demoralised Australian team in living memory. Throw in some cheap wickets against Bangladesh and you suddenly have the new superstar Anderson. Extremely overrated.
I don't think that Johnson circa 2011/12 is better than anybody....but Johnson 2008/09 was as good as anyone in the world. He is finished now, so no point discussing him other than as a reference point as to how good Anderson and Broad actually are.
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Dunno about that speed - you had a pretty woeful run throughout the 80s! :D
I don't personally think the 13 year comment is relevant - unless a team develops a team of galcticos a la Waugh, Hayden, Gilchrist, Martyn, Ponting, Warne, McGrath, Gillespie, MacGill then you're not likely to see such a long run of victories any time soon, and its important to stress that whilst the 91,93,95 England sides were worse than woeful, they also fielded some very decent sides against Australia during that period - 97 was a decent team, 01 a team on the up and 03, had they had everyone fit, very competitive.
We beat the English in series in 1980 (3-0 whitewash), 1982/83 (2-1) and 1989 (4-0).
The 1980's were a black time in Australian cricket, yet we still beat the English in 3 out of 6 series.
I also for the record didn't suggest that Australia would be dominat for 13 years, I clearly stated that "it will not take us 13 years to win the Ashes back" after our rebuild, in reference to England taking that long after Gooch and co retired.
We will be very competitive again within five years.
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The 1980's were a black time in Australian cricket
We will be very competitive again within five years.
until you have been a pom or a west Indian, you don't know what a black time is.
and 5 years? I think you are already more than competitive now. you might not be the best, but the aussies are significantly better than they were 12 months ago and are getting stronger.
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until you have been a pom or a west Indian, you don't know what a black time is.
and 5 years? I think you are already more than competitive now. you might not be the best, but the aussies are significantly better than they were 12 months ago and are getting stronger.
Buzz, cricket is the barometer of the nation in Australia.
Maybe not to the same extent to India, but after the thumping we copped in the Ashes last summer, I could not help but notice the anger in your average Aussie everywhre I went.
Yes, we are starting the rebuild, but reality tells me that we have no hope of beating a full strength England in the back to back Ashes series of 2013 and 2013/14. We will have the bowlers to keep your batsmen honest, but we do not have an established top six to make the runs necessary to press home the advantage.
Given that Ponting and Hussey will be retired by then (one way or another), we will have an all new top six of which probably only Clarke and Watson will have played test cricket against England before.
Is Warner a flash in the pan, or a serious long term opener? Can Cowan cut it against the best? Will Shaun Marsh's fitness stand up? Will Khawaja translate promise and technical excellence into test runs? Will Nic Maddinson, Chris Lynn, Mitch Marsh and Kurt Patterson be ready by 2013?
Too many ifs and maybes, hence why I think it will take the best part of five years to see a truly good Australian team.
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If Khawaja is the Aussie standard for technical excellence, then you may be in trouble for longer than 5 years!?
I agree with Buzz, that Oz aren't in that bad shape.
You might NEVER be as good again as the team that dominated the last 15 or so years though.
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Again you miss the point.
Anderson out performed the Australian bowlers in ONE series.
Where was he in 2006/07 and 2009?
In fact, in the 2009 Ashes, Hilfenhaus, Siddle AND Johnson ALL out performed Anderson.
Comfortably too.
He had one very good series against the worst and most demoralised Australian team in living memory. Throw in some cheap wickets against Bangladesh and you suddenly have the new superstar Anderson. Extremely overrated.
I don't think that Johnson circa 2011/12 is better than anybody....but Johnson 2008/09 was as good as anyone in the world. He is finished now, so no point discussing him other than as a reference point as to how good Anderson and Broad actually are.
Right then, lets put some numbers up. Here are the records for all to see between Anderson and Johnson, over the period 2007-2011. I have ignored Anderson's record prior to this, because most of us wondered what the hell the selectors were doing picking him up until around that point (as his stats show). Now realistically, I wouldn't say that Anderson and Johnson had the same role in the bowling attack until 2009, when both were leading the attack. I'll leave you to draw your own conclusions from the data, but over the period, they both have remarkably similar averages, overs bowled, wickets taken and runs given, economy and strike rates.
The point being that averages really don't tell you a great deal without seeing much more data.
(http://i493.photobucket.com/albums/rr293/tim2000s/StatsComparison.jpg)
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Enlightening stuff Tim.
If we can eliminate Andersons first couple of years, can we eliminate Johnsons last year or so? :)
Yes, remarkably similar, but Anderson has found his mark after years of shytness whereas Johnson has fallen right away and is arguably finished. Their progress arrows are pointing in opposite directions.
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If Khawaja is the Aussie standard for technical excellence, then you may be in trouble for longer than 5 years!?
I agree with Buzz, that Oz aren't in that bad shape.
You might NEVER be as good again as the team that dominated the last 15 or so years though.
There has only been three, maybe four great Australian teams in history (Armstrongs 1921 team, Bradmans Invincibles, Chappells 1974-1976 and Oz 1993-2007), so I am not likely to see another team of that quality again in my life time.
I think Khawaja's technique is quite good.
I think Nic Maddinsons technique is faultless.
Of the English, I like Bell's technique best from a purists perspective.
But judging by your remarks, what would I know? :)
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In the last 3 years (32 matches, or just over half of Anderson's career) Anderson averages 26.77 with the ball. His figures have been flattered by an enormous 2 matches against Bangladesh, in which he took an earth-shattering 9 wickets at 24.77
Anderson is not going through some kind of patch of good form. He is just a better, more mature, more rounded bowler than he was when he was first picked, and is in the top 2 or 3 current fast bowlers (with Steyn, and arguably, Khan)
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Just watching Cowan on the highlights and he looks a very stiff hard hands player as if he has spent a lot of time on the bowling machine or is it just me looks good though
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If we can eliminate Andersons first couple of years, can we eliminate Johnsons last year or so? :)
Yes, remarkably similar, but Anderson has found his mark after years of shytness whereas Johnson has fallen right away and is arguably finished. Their progress arrows are pointing in opposite directions.
I'd also mention that out of all of Andersons appearances, he only really started to play regularly from 2008. In the first five years of his England career he played 20 matches. In the next three he played 43. The Ashes victory of 2005 didn't feature him once, indeed, his first full Ashes series was the tour of 2006-2007, and we all know about that one. Until he had finally got a level of consistency, he really was only a bit part player, whereas the selectors appear not to have had that approach too frequently with Mitch, regardless of his performance!
Interestingly, it would appear that MJs best season was his first for Australia (all be it only for three matches), where his average was quite a lot lower than his second best, in 2009, and it all went rapidly downhill in 2010, and yet the selectors still kept picking him. Sounds more like a selection problem than anything else - send him back to the shield to get his confidence!
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andersons first ashes tour was 2002/3 as a replacement
http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65630.html
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andersons first ashes tour was 2002/3 as a replacement
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/match/65630.html[/url]
However, he didn't play in any Ashes matches until 2006-2007.
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sorry mis-read, missed the word "full" before ashes tour lol!
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In the last 3 years (32 matches, or just over half of Anderson's career) Anderson averages 26.77 with the ball. His figures have been flattered by an enormous 2 matches against Bangladesh, in which he took an earth-shattering 9 wickets at 24.77
Anderson is not going through some kind of patch of good form. He is just a better, more mature, more rounded bowler than he was when he was first picked, and is in the top 2 or 3 current fast bowlers (with Steyn, and arguably, Khan)
Lets not be too harsh on Bangladesh seeing as they have the best allrounder in the world in Shakib Al Hasan
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Lets not be too harsh on Bangladesh seeing as they have the best allrounder in the world in Shakib Al Hasan
Lol :D
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You seem to be assuming that Australia are the only team that will do any improving over the next 5 years.
Interesting question.
India are about a year away from oblivion as SRT, Dravid and Laxman all retire at roughly the same time.
South Africa are past their peak and will need to start rebuilding soon. Their fast bowling stocks are marvelous. Need a new keeper and few new batsmen. Will not be down for too long.
So that is numbers 2 and 3 in teh world who are on the slide.
England are in very good shape now as they are in their "window" of opportunity. At the moment, probably only need a reliable #6 who can bowl some overs as a bonus. (We will get back to England later)
Australia are in the process of a complete rebuild with players like Ponting, Hussey, Haddin and Harris unlikely to be around for the 2013 Ashes.
Names like Pattinson, Cummins, Hazelwood, Faulkner, Wade, Maddinson, Lynn will be part of the mix of a new look Australian team by that time.
Now the interesting part. In five years time, what improvement will this excellent team have in them?
Strauss 35 yo - will not be around in 5 years time.
Cook 27 yo - will be 32 and still a very good batsman I imagine.
Trott 31 yo - will be 36 and either finished or about to finish in five years time.
Pietersen 31 yo - will be 36 and as above.
Bell 29 yo - will be 34 and entering the last years of his career.
Morgan 25 yo - will be 29, but hasn't established himself yet, so time will tell. Still young enough.
Prior 29 yo - will be 34. Could still be playing, but may be usurped by Jonny Bairstow by that time.
Bresnan 26 yo - will be 31 and still around (if form holds up)
Swann 32 yo - will be 37 and probably finished.
Broad 25 yo - will be 30 and very much around.
Onions 29 - will be 34 and finished.
Anderson 29 - as above
Tremlett 30 - as above
Finn 23 - will be 27-28 and at his peak.
England will need a new opening batsman to partner Cook.
May also need another batsmen or three by then. James Taylor? Hildreth? Or maybe a couple guys from the SA u19's team?
Anderson, Tremlett and Onions will be gone, but Finn and Broad will be at their peak. Who will join them? The Saffer Meaker?
Will Bresnan still be around, or will the Kiwi Benny Stokes replace him by then?
Prior may still be around, but if not, Jonny Bairstow would be logical..or Jos Buttler?
Swanny would be gone I imagine, so who is there to replace him? Scotty Bporthwiock the leggy?
A lot can change in five years as the above illustrates.
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Not sure who will open when Strauss retires, but otherwise, I think this team would be pretty decent:
Cook (c)
A N Other
Bell
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Barstow
Bresnan
Broad
Finn
Briggs/Kerrigan
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Just watching Cowan on the highlights and he looks a very stiff hard hands player as if he has spent a lot of time on the bowling machine or is it just me looks good though
Cowan has always struck me as the journeyman cricketer who through obsessive practise has earned himself a test cap. He is up there with Hussey for judging leaves in teh Australoian first class scene. Very patient and focussed.
Would not have got into the test team in the recent past when it was a very attacking batting order, but in these more brittle times, he is just the man we need right here and now.
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Cowan has always struck me as the journeyman cricketer who through obsessive practise has earned himself a test cap. He is up there with Hussey for judging leaves in teh Australoian first class scene. Very patient and focussed.
Would not have got into the test team in the recent past when it was a very attacking batting order, but in these more brittle times, he is just the man we need right here and now.
Totally agree Vic
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Not sure who will open when Strauss retires, but otherwise, I think this team would be pretty decent:
Cook (c)
A N Other
Bell
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Barstow
Bresnan
Broad
Finn
Briggs/Kerrigan
Looks good, but I am not sold on Morgan...yet.
Kerrigan from Lancs I don't mind. Briggs I don't know a whole lot about TBH. You don't fancy the Makem leggy Borthwick?
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Cook (c)
Bell-Drummond?
Bell
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Barstow
Bresnan
Broad
Finn
Briggs/Kerrigan
I would put Bell-Drummond as he's 18 and is showing massive promise!
But as has been said before, 5 years is a long time in cricket so even the English team may change beyond recognition!
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Cook (c)
Bell-Drummond?
Bell
Taylor
Morgan
Stokes
Barstow
Bresnan
Broad
Finn
Briggs/Kerrigan
I would put Bell-Drummond as he's 18 and is showing massive promise!
But as has been said before, 5 years is a long time in cricket so even the English team may change beyond recognition!
Too true.
Two years ago I had never heard of Cummins (who was 16) and Lyon (who only started playing FC cricket in the last handful of games last summer) and I would have thought you insane if you suggested that Cowan and Warner would be opening the batting (together no less!) for Australia.
I am still not sure I can believe it.
It does show how quickly things can change at international level.
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Joe Root, Tom Maynard, RHB and Steve Davies are all waiting too..
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Joe Root, Tom Maynard, RHB and Steve Davies are all waiting too..
Root maybe...but Maynard???
Are you taking the piss?
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Nope, don't fancy Borthwick to be honest. I think people spend too much time trying to uncover the next Shane Warne, and it's never going to happen.
I think Swann and Monty show that finger spin is stool alive, and that you don't HAVE to have a wonder spinner in your ranks to be a good team.
As you say though, things change...
I'm sure I'd have mentioned how amazing Adil Rashid is going to be if I was writing this a few years ago, and I never rated Bresnan until the last Ashes (and he's continued to prove he is good enough this summer too)
My XI also misses out Meaker, Dernbach and Buttler, as well as giving premature retirements to Trott and Pieterson.
Off course all the talent I have listed might just turn out to be the next generation of ramprakash and hicks :S
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Nope, don't fancy Borthwick to be honest. I think people spend too much time trying to uncover the next Shane Warne, and it's never going to happen.
I think Swann and Monty show that finger spin is stool alive, and that you don't HAVE to have a wonder spinner in your ranks to be a good team.
As you say though, things change...
I'm sure I'd have mentioned how amazing Adil Rashid is going to be if I was writing this a few years ago, and I never rated Bresnan until the last Ashes (and he's continued to prove he is good enough this summer too)
My XI also misses out Meaker, Dernbach and Buttler, as well as giving premature retirements to Trott and Pieterson.
Off course all the talent I have listed might just turn out to be the next generation of ramprakash and hicks :S
Until the last Ashes, I thought Bresnan was no better than Trevor Jesty - but after his performances here last summer, I am now a fan. Tremlett always struck me as having the killer instinct of Bookaboo, but he also impressed last summer.
One of Trott or Pietersen may still be around in five years time, but it is tempting fate (like Oz has done) to carry two 36 year olds at the same time.
Buttler would have to improve a lot to get in front of Bairstow, but has plenty of time.
I am not sold on Dernbach, while Meaker I have seen next to nothing of.
Anyways, enjoy the next four to five years as the bulk of your team will change very little over that time.
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A lot can indeed change, but you fail to mention that Andy Flower is probably bright enough and certainly unsentimental enough to move with the times rather than stubbornly refusing to change and keeping picking the same faces again and again as they grow older - indeed, he has already shown with the one day game that he is looking to incorprorate more youngsters into the national set up so that they gain experience before they are asked upon to be the main men.
Accepted Australia have a crop of good young players coming through - but so do England. As I've said before, for the ones you've named we have Bairstow, Taylor, Stokes, Lyth, Root, Borthwick, Adil Rashid, Rafiq, Woakes, Finn, Ashraf, Roland-Jones, Topley and plenty more who have every bit as much potential.
In summation, the current England team is nowhere near as good as the best Australian side under Waugh, but I doubt that in five/six years time they'll be as bad as the side that Ponting led into the ground either!
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Root maybe...but Maynard???
Are you taking the piss?
Watched Maynard a few times at The Oval this year. He certainly gives it a whack. But there's a big difference between whacking Div 2 bowlers about and being a successful international batsman.
He's got potential but needs to learn how to play a long innings. But it's been done before - Tresco, Vaughan, Strauss, Morgan (hopefully)
And I know it's an old bugbear, but there is a big difference between coming to England as a kid (which loads of Saffa's did in the 90s and 00s for economic and social reasons) and coming over as a 20 year old because you find your way blocked at home.
With all the emigration to Oz in recent times I suspect they may find the odd UK-born player in the ranks in 15-20 years time...
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Forgot about Woakes - I rate him very highly to be honest, and think he's been a bit hard done by not to get the same opportunities as some of the other young players
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Kerrigan from Lancs I don't mind. Briggs I don't know a whole lot about TBH. You don't fancy the Makem leggy Borthwick?
Kerrigan is not quick enough therough the air for international cricket - he may well be able to rectify that, but I don't think at this stage he is one ripe for fast tracking. Briggs doesn't turn the ball enough and is destined to be our Xavier Doherty, I fear.
In terms of spinners, Rashid will come good eventually (and is a quality batsman and fielder to boot). Borthwick might be useful - perhaps too early to tell, but he has an all round game and the support of a top coach in Geoff Cook, so the chances are reasonable. I also rate Azeem Rafiq if we're looking three to five years down the line - can give the ball a real rip and has a similar character to a certain off spinning encumbent. And of course, we have the option of George Dockrell, which some do not approve of - but he does look quality for a kid of 19, and has the benefit of some international experience!
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Root maybe...but Maynard???
Are you taking the piss?
I thought you were a stats man Vic? 1000+ in the LV averaging over 40 In all competitions and only 22, in 5 years yep
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Buttler would have to improve a lot to get in front of Bairstow, but has plenty of time.
Bairstow may well end up playing as a batsman only - he is so good that he doesn't need to rely on his keeping, and in all honesty he is no better than functional with the gloves at any rate.
Buttler may not be the man to take it on though - John Simpson and Adam Rossington at Middlesex are the new Russell and Read (anyone who doesn't get the reference PM me) and Steve Davies will surely come again.
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Forgot about Woakes - I rate him very highly to be honest, and think he's been a bit hard done by not to get the same opportunities as some of the other young players
He needs to work on his strength and conditioning a bit - if he could add three or four mph he would go from a decent change bowler to a genuine threat.
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In summation, the current England team is nowhere near as good as the best Australian side under Waugh, but I doubt that in five/six years time they'll be as bad as the side that Ponting led into the ground either!
Steady on!
Last summer was 15 years of negligence in the making...these things don't happen in five years you know?
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I thought you were a stats man Vic? 1000+ in the LV averaging over 40 In all competitions and only 22, in 5 years yep
Averaging 29 in Div 2?
If he starts kicking (No Swearing Please) over the next few years, maybe. At the moment, he is a long way off it.
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And of course, we have the option of George Dockrell, which some do not approve of - but he does look quality for a kid of 19, and has the benefit of some international experience!
Keep your hands off him >:(
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Keep your hands off him >:(
What about Boyd Rankin lol he's put on a few yds since being with the performance squad!!
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What about Boyd Rankin lol he's put on a few yds since being with the performance squad!!
You can keep training him up for us :D But I honestly do not think he is good enough for the english test team
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Not sure who will open when Strauss retires
I thought he'd retired already..... He's averaged less than Punter in 2011.
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I thought he'd retired already..... He's averaged less than Punter in 2011.
yeah, but he's not a gimlet eyed wierdo and IS playing in a winning team! Y'see, if Punter had had this run of form in 2006, he might have gotten clean away with it...
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Some alternative history:
http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/sadisthour/archives/2011/12/what_if_australia_had_picked_p.php
Huge mistake in not keeping Paine as keeper after his four tests last year while Haddin was injured.
Haddin has gone down the gurgler and Paine playing in that meaningless all star T20 exhibition game just before the first Ashes test has never really recovered from that broken finger he recieved from Dirk Nannes.
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Haha read that yesterday, very clever vic.
For me, the little period around that exhibition game was when I realized cricket Australia was going bad and we would be lucky to win the ashes.
Remember the grand "team naming ceremony" for the first test at the gabba? A massive marketing farce held on Sydney harbor bridge with fireworks where they named more players in the squad for the single test than England had in their entire touring party. Apparently waiting for some shield results to refine the selection (which makes sense, but naming a team so early doesn't)
Then, to open up what we knew was to be a tough summer of test cricket, we have a joke of a T20 game.
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I've seen Dockrell bowl and I think he is the best spinning prospect out there - conveniently ignoring the Irish situation of course!
A little out there, but I actually feel that Rashid could be the real deal, but he needs to be better managed and I thin change counties. He needs to play under a wily county pro (or an Aussie!) with an understanding of spin-bowling. He also needs to be predominately a bowler who bats a bit rather than an all-rounder. He needs to bowl plenty of overs and he need to limit the amount of 40 over crap he plays. This also needs to happen sooner rather than later, to capitalise on his golden years.
Seems to have fallen out of favour in the England set-up though!
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I've seen Dockrell bowl and I think he is the best spinning prospect out there - conveniently ignoring the Irish situation of course!
A little out there, but I actually feel that Rashid could be the real deal, but he needs to be better managed and I thin change counties. He needs to play under a wily county pro (or an Aussie!) with an understanding of spin-bowling. He also needs to be predominately a bowler who bats a bit rather than an all-rounder. He needs to bowl plenty of overs and he need to limit the amount of 40 over crap he plays. This also needs to happen sooner rather than later, to capitalise on his golden years.
Seems to have fallen out of favour in the England set-up though!
I sense a slow-left-arm Union here towards Dockrell Fattus... ;) haha but I'd like to see Rashid handled more carefully as well, he's been abused this year. Borthwick also needs looking after, he could be very good, as could Briggs if he could get even a little more turn out of the pitch.
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Haha read that yesterday, very clever vic.
For me, the little period around that exhibition game was when I realized cricket Australia was going bad and we would be lucky to win the ashes.
Remember the grand "team naming ceremony" for the first test at the gabba? A massive marketing farce held on Sydney harbor bridge with fireworks where they named more players in the squad for the single test than England had in their entire touring party. Apparently waiting for some shield results to refine the selection (which makes sense, but naming a team so early doesn't)
Then, to open up what we knew was to be a tough summer of test cricket, we have a joke of a T20 game.
The writing was on the wall then and there, wasn't it?
I knew we were doomed...I just had no idea how bad it was going to get.
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If India were ever going to bounce back, Sydney is the place where they will do it.
Tendulkar and Laxman both tend to save their best for the SCG.
Morevover, in Melbourne, most things went wrong for India and most things went right for Australia.
It would not take a lot to reverse the result.
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If India were ever going to bounce back, Sydney is the place where they will do it.
Tendulkar and Laxman both tend to save their best for the SCG.
Morevover, in Melbourne, most things went wrong for India and most things went right for Australia.
It would not take a lot to reverse the result.
On a typical SCG wicket thats correct Vic but by all reports this isn't going to be you typical Sydney spinning wicket which is why there is some talk of 4 pace bowlers for the Test..
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Yep...... The sprinklers would have been getting an extended run this week.
There may be some turn going in to day 8 of this test.
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While I was probably the most sceptical about India's chances going into the first test match, I feel that a huge bounce back might be on the cards for this one irrespective of the supposed green top.
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A little out there, but I actually feel that Rashid could be the real deal, but he needs to be better managed and I thin change counties. He needs to play under a wily county pro (or an Aussie!) with an understanding of spin-bowling. He also needs to be predominately a bowler who bats a bit rather than an all-rounder. He needs to bowl plenty of overs and he need to limit the amount of 40 over crap he plays. This also needs to happen sooner rather than later, to capitalise on his golden years.
Seems to have fallen out of favour in the England set-up though!
p155 off, he's ours!
Seriously, I think he was very badly treated by England, who seemed desperately keen to have an Asian drinks waiter on their winter tours rather than a player (they did the same to Shahzad the following year) which was doubly annoying when they messed with his action and stopped him spinning it for the best part of nine months. Where Rashid is a little bit undone at Yorkshire is in his batting do low in the order - eight at some points last season - when he really needs to be going in at the front of the game. I still can't understand why England are so keen on Patel though when, instead of a fat slow spinner who doesn't turn it, they could have a young, lithe spinner who can bat bowl and field and who rips it square!
Dare I say, an anti-Yorkshire bias in the corridors of power? :D
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Shahzad never preformed for England or Yorkshire in the last year tbh! And how can there be an anti-Yorkshire bias when Bresnan is in Englands starting 11?
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Does Bresnan play for India or australia?
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Shahzad never preformed for England or Yorkshire in the last year tbh! And how can there be an anti-Yorkshire bias when Bresnan is in Englands starting 11?
Shahzad did okay for England - to be honest I thought when he was selected that he was just slightly short of the required standard, but he never let anyone down; its noticeable though that he got a considerably shorter run in the team that has Jade Dernbach, despite being a markedly better bowler.
As for "bias" possibly too strong of a word, but it is noticeable that players from certain counties get much quicker elevation to and much longer runs in the England team that do Northern lads - it must be great to play your cricket in the capital, lets put it like that! And as an aside, it is disappointing how many good young Yorkshire lads have gone off with the performance programmes and been spoilt by poor or unsuitable coaching - Richard Dawson was the first, but it also happened to David Wainwright, Adam Lyth and others. Rashid was probably the worst - he went off ripping the ball all over the shop, but the coaches decided that he needed a higher action which left him bowling full bungers and moving the ball precisely nowhere.
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Alright--- time to get back to this series. What do you guys think about the second test?
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Well for starters it kicks of an hour early which is great. :)
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id like to see an good old scrap. . . .
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I would quite like too see warner make tonnes of runs like a 200 or something, bloody love him!
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Can't wait for the start! Test cricket of late has made for excellent viewing. May the best side win!
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India batting first---just got a feeling that they might turn this around.
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Incredible stats!!
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The opening partnership will be key I feel. A session of Sehwag and it is going to be interesting ;)
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Gambhir gone just like that...lol!!
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Gambhir out.... what better than watching the 100th test at SCG chilling out in the players dock and sipping a iced coke :)
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Bet Pattinson goes and changes his shoes
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Gambhir's is a classic case of lack of tour practice games; I think BCCI needs to look at the preparation time for an important tour like this one. The lack of tour practice games is not even funny these days.
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Watch for Clarkeys blank bat too, slaz sponsorship is up and he is yet to sign a new deal.
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Hilfehaus bowling well last test and this test considering some on here called him a practice bowler for the Indians... Hahaha.
Ah the college of knowledge... Lol
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If this bloke is a practice bowler then Australia is well on their way to number 1 again, quiet soon :D
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Watch for Clarkeys blank bat too, slaz sponsorship is up and he is yet to sign a new deal.
Wow he's been with Slazenger since he was in nappies lol odds on Kookaburra to snare another top Batsman in a matter of days??
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Siddle is really bowling well.
Pup is sponsored by our own Blank Bats for this game eh?
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Wow he's been with Slazenger since he was in nappies lol odds on Kookaburra to snare another top Batsman in a matter of days??
I was say Puma or GM
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Watch for Clarkeys blank bat too, slaz sponsorship is up and he is yet to sign a new deal.
I would put money on him not batting with a blank bat
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Wouldn't it be great if he walked out with a Screaming Cat surely he doesn't need the money that much, mind you I think Mr Millichamp wouldn't be able to keep up with the sales if he did lol
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Dravid gone!! Sachin and Sehwag together now ;)
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No demons in the pitch the stage is set Sachin, Get It Done!!!!
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I totally agree, although I would love to see him walk out with a blank bat!
Like The_Bird I would love to see him walk out with a Screaming Cat or Laver or H4L or something like that lol
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Sachin looking good. Today's the day lads -- I can feel it.
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Punter drops Sehwag :D
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Wow punter drops him surely it's Sehwags day already lol
A question for the Aussies what is you opinion of Mark Nicholas as a commentator?
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Wow punter drops him surely it's Sehwags day already lol
A question for the Aussies what is you opinion of Mark Nicholas as a commentator?
Don't like him. Only my opinion though
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Sehwag gone!! Sachin is still there; if he gets a hundred I might donate some of my stuff to the forum members ;)
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Sehwag gone!! Sachin is still there; if he gets a hundred I might donate some of my stuff to the forum members ;)
I predict he is out just after lunch or out for 95 lol
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Don't like him. Only my opinion though
Yeah he's a tool lol, Pattinson looks on it this morning.
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Sachin is looking good and comfortable
can't belive the thickness of the bat he is using, must be close to 3lb's
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Yeah he's a tool lol, Pattinson looks on it this morning.
I like Richie Benaud and Bill Lawry commentating
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Sachin is looking good and comfortable
can't belive the thickness of the bat he is using, must be close to 3lb's
2.12 if our information is correct.
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They are in trouble now with vvs gone
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I don't know why, but I have a strong dislike for Siddle
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I like Richie Benaud and Bill Lawry commentating
Richie Benaud's voice defines Test Cricket, I could listen to him all day, Tony Greig however is a muppet.
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I don't know why, but I have a strong dislike for Siddle
I agree! I think its his Orcish face
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I agree! I think its his Orcish face
And he just laughed at Sachin trying to upper cut him. Sachin should be able to do what he likes with no one passing judgement on him :D
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And he just laughed at Sachin trying to upper cut him. Sachin should be able to do what he likes with no one passing judgement on him :D
He keeps trying though and has a big heart I feel. Then again if these occasions dont make you try hard dunno which ones will.
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He keeps trying though and has a big heart I feel. Then again if these occasions dont make you try hard dunno which ones will.
Yeah they should try hard every single game representing there country.
I know he keeps trying too haha, he will hit one over third man for six soon!
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Err...was talking about Siddle. I don't think Sachin has to prove anything after 22 years of super hard work.
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Ah right sorry miss understood what you said, read it to fast and its far to late!
Thought you meant he kept trying the shot
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The first bit wasn't aimed at Sachin by the way...
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So does kohli use an SS then? He forgot to cover the ton branding...
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I dont like Kholi or Yadav either.
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So does kohli use an SS then? He forgot to cover the ton branding...
Yep he does.
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And there goes the 5th wicket bye bye Kohli
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Awful batting by India. Let's see how Captain Keeper does.
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Maybe Sachin will run out of partners before he gets his 100 lol
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Bull! Sachin was looking really good >:(
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If I am not wrong, that is 24 wickets in 3 and a bit tests for Pattinson.
I knew the kid was going to be a serious talent for Australia, but he is far and away exceeding expectations so far.
Unreal.
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Pattison is real deal, they need to keep him away from lucrative T20 offers and he will have a bright future.
Him and Pat Cummins both are future star!
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Bad captaincy from Clarke I feel; letting the Indians off the hook.
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@Vic and Langer: what do you guys make of Marsh's selection?
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@Vic and Langer: what do you guys make of Marsh's selection?
With the wisdom of CA to shut down all first class cricket during teh summer while teh test series is on to accommodate the BBL, the guy has absolutely no chance to get FC runs behind him to rediscover his mojo.
Test cricket is not teh place to try and find touch - but with no FC cricket all series, what else can he do?
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Bull! Sachin was looking really good >:(
My prediction was spot on. Out after lunch
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All out for 191!!
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Well there is knowing wrong with our bowling attack. Lets see if we can get the batting right although I suspect this pitch may suit the Indian bowlers.
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If anyone wants to get in Australian team they should become a spinner, Australia gets new spinner as it is pair of shoes!
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Warner gone in the first over for 8
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Oh Warner, what the hell are you doing?
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Good basketball catch that one eh?
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Mark Nicholas is such a dick. When has anyone ever put Sachin down in Australia? I don't know anyone who doesn't like Sachin
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Oh dear!
Top order disappearing, yet again.
Unreal.
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OMFG let's give the Indian slips some catching practice
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Mark Nicholas is such a dick. When has anyone ever put Sachin down in Australia? I don't know anyone who doesn't like Sachin
Tendulkar is one pof the most beloved foreign players in Australia.
Never met anyone that doesn't love the guy.
Mark Nicholas is behaving like a dill.
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It will come down to those two old timers again.
What is wrong with Marsh??
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Temdulkar is one pof teh most beloved foreign players in Australia.
Never met anyone that doesn't love the guy.
Mark Nicholas is behaving like a (No Swearing Please).
Watching a different telecast; what is that clown saying?
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Temdulkar is one pof teh most beloved foreign players in Australia.
Never met anyone that doesn't love the guy.
Mark Nicholas is behaving like a (No Swearing Please).
The guy has no idea. He just said vvs has such safe hands.... The guy just dropped the catch the ball before
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OK--if Dhoni had caught the ball it would still have been regarded as off the pads...lol; so technically he did not drop a catch.
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OK--if Dhoni had caught the ball it would still have been regarded as off the pads...lol; so technically he did not drop a catch.
Not sure what you are referring to there kaustav
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Was referring to the 'leg-bye' off Ponting which was hit from the middle of the bat and was 'dropped' by Dhoni behind the wickets..lol
Cowan gone!!
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Clarke sponsored by blank bats it seems.
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Clarke being sponsored by our very own BlankBats :D
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Shoot Vic beat me to it..lol
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Clarke sponsored by blank bats it seems.
Well I lost my bet there. I was expecting him to already have a new sponsor
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Was referring to the 'leg-bye' off Ponting which was hit from the middle of the bat and was 'dropped' by Dhoni behind the wickets..lol
Cowan gone!!
Ah got ya
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I heard from our local cricket centre that clark wants 750k for sponsorship and slaz. aren't prepared to pay that amount. It's going to be interesting to see who signs him. Ponting will be retiring and/or GN have a 2012/13 design called apex so they might
be in the running.
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750K...wow! That is insane :o
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$750,000 for one year? Wow that's ridiculous!!
I was expecting Clarke to have Pink Grip/Sticker to support McGrath Breast Cancer Foundation as he has done over the years...
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He's made up for it with 2 stickers on the back
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Clarke playing beautifully. If India does not break this partnership quickly the game might quickly go out of their grasp.
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What a days play!
India's batting underachieved again.
Australia's top order is the most brittle it has looked in my life time.
A Katich is desperately missed at the top of the order.
Anyways, at 3/116, Australia really need to press onto 350 to get that circa 150 lead.
Do that, and the Indians will be right under the pump.
It is all easier said than done though.
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Any chance of Brad Hodge getting a call up ??
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Unfortunately no, not now. Should have played more tests but sadly he never made it on to Pontings xmas card list.
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It is easy to see why both batting line ups disintegrated against the English bowling in their last series.
Both top orders cannot control their urge to go after balls outside of off stump.
The discipline of leaving is a dying art.
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I think in 3 or 4 years time India will be shot and hanging around with Sri Lanka etc., and England will be 1st in rankings with Australia and SA battling it out for 2nd. Ultimately, Australia will be better than SA but to weak batting to really get anywhere, even when they inevitably do bowl England out cheaply in the Ashes they won't be able to get a good score to back it up.
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With India having so many players to choose from and a country so mental about the game (albeit only the batting part of it ;) ) it would be a brave soul to back against them in the next few years...
I am surprised though, I really thought we would see the best of this Indian side in this series but they just look like a bunch of players killing time until the next IPL.....and that's no one's fault but theirs.......
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I think in 3 or 4 years time India will be shot and hanging around with Sri Lanka etc., and England will be 1st in rankings with Australia and SA battling it out for 2nd. Ultimately, Australia will be better than SA but to weak batting to really get anywhere, even when they inevitably do bowl England out cheaply in the Ashes they won't be able to get a good score to back it up.
The next two Ashes series maybe, but I will back it in that Australia will mould a strong top six in 4-5 years time.
This top six it ain't, but other, better technically accomplished players will rise up.
Let's face it, this time last year there is no way in a million years you would have given thrupence on a wager that Australia's fast bowling stocks improving in such a short period of time. Pattinson was just a name and Cummins was a 17 year old grade cricketer that no one even in Australia had heard of.
Things change quickly...even for India.
Add Rohit Sharma, Pujara and Vijay to this line up and it would look a whole lot better already. India have players, it is a question whether the regional rivalries, ethnic discrimination and corruption allow them to select a truly representative team.
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Has anyone seen hilfenhaus' walk?
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Mince?
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Just saw this on cricinfo about James Pattinson's wickets:
Of the 24 wickets that James Pattinson has taken in four Tests so far, 17 have been of batsmen in the top five, and four of those 17 have been dismissed for ducks.
Hopefully he can keep this up and become one of the best bowlers in the world.
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i dont know if its been mentioned so if it has i do apologise, is watson injured? or just not selected?
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Just saw this on cricinfo about James Pattinson's wickets:
Of the 24 wickets that James Pattinson has taken in four Tests so far, 17 have been of batsmen in the top five, and four of those 17 have been dismissed for ducks.
Hopefully he can keep this up and become one of the best bowlers in the world.
He ticks all the boxes for the perfect replacement for McGrath, Strong Action that seems effortless and to put little strain on the body, great attitude not too nice but not too arrogant and great accuracy for a young lad tbh he looks a class act, hard to drop hilfenhaus after his performance in he first innings as well so when Pat Cummins is fit the Aussie attack looks impressive...... Unfortunately :)
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Ultimately, Australia will be better than SA but to weak batting to really get anywhere, even when they inevitably do bowl England out cheaply in the Ashes they won't be able to get a good score to back it up.
Our antipodean friends will hate me for saying this, but the biggets problem their younger batsmen face is that they have not been schooled and seasoned in County cricket the way that younger generations were. I am not saying necessarily that the standard was better but the variety of conditions and frequency with which they faced the moving ball honed tenchniques and mindsets in a way in which a few biff bash games in various countries will never do.
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Our antipodean friends will hate me for saying this, but the biggets problem their younger batsmen face is that they have not been schooled and seasoned in County cricket the way that younger generations were. I am not saying necessarily that the standard was better but the variety of conditions and frequency with which they faced the moving ball honed tenchniques and mindsets in a way in which a few biff bash games in various countries will never do.
I think the biggest problem is being brought up in the T20 era. It takes away the patients of an innings with wild slashing at all balls. No room for leaving outside off stump in that game. I do agree a little but it's not County cricket or shield cricket it's the fact that there is a form of cricket which I think has and is ruining the patients of test cricket
A comment was made by the commentators in the last test about Cowan saying that he needed to score faster.... Hang on don't they need someone who a hang around and grind a innings out... I thought he did exactly what was needed in his first innings
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Ponting and Clarke seem to be picking Indian bowlers off with ease at the moment
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First sweep shot I have ever seen Ponting play.
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Valid point, but I think the advantage of playing in alien conditions is that it teaches adaptability, and that would reduce the potential issues with T20 - think about the most adaptable batsmen in the modern game, and the names you'll come up with (Ponting apart) had a stint in county cricket before their 25th birthday - indeed, for some it was arguably the making of them (Mike Hussey being an obvious candidate)
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First sweep shot I have ever seen Ponting play.
Ponting used to sweep well early in his career
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Valid point, but I think the advantage of playing in alien conditions is that it teaches adaptability, and that would reduce the potential issues with T20 - think about the most adaptable batsmen in the modern game, and the names you'll come up with (Ponting apart) had a stint in county cricket before their 25th birthday - indeed, for some it was arguably the making of them (Mike Hussey being an obvious candidate)
I agree that English County cricket is a great learning platform I just think T20 has a lot to answer to for lack of "test" batting by Australian batsmen....
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I agree that English County cricket is a great learning platform I just think T20 has a lot to answer to for lack of "test" batting by Australian batsmen....
8)
Indeed - and I suppose it should be noted that two of the side - Warner and Marsh - are T20 Wunderkinder!
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How's this:
100th Test Match at the SCG
100th time Ponting has scored more that 50
100th test wicket for Siddle
Wouldnt it be good if both Clarke and Ponting scored 100's
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In the airport between flights----saw the scoreboard and said SHOOT!!! :(
Good batting from Clarke and Ponting though.
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Good batting from Clarke and Ponting though.
Not sure the Indians have bowled well enough to test that theory!
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Did not see a single ball as I was traveling; so the bowling has been atrocious you say?
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Did not see a single ball as I was traveling; so the bowling has been atrocious you say?
lets just say heads dropped early on. Zaheer bowled cannily enough but rarely broke 80mph, Ashwin tried to tie up an end but no better. Sharma and Yadav, erm, not so good...
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So I did not miss anything good; gotta go-- need to catch my connection.
I think India is done for the next couple of years. Thank God for that world cup---- now back to some gloomy days.
Innings defeat perhaps??
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Indian bowling has been ordinary at best
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Richie Benaud was guest on the cricket show.... What a legend and true gentleman of the game
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There it is. Face full of dirt for Ponting, but he gets his 100. Direct hit and he was gone, and it should have been as Kahn was no more than 15m away from the stumps.
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How's this:
100th Test Match at the SCG
100th time Ponting has scored more that 50
100th test wicket for Siddle
100 for Clarke
100 for Ponting
All we need now is 100 100's by Sachin
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All we need now is 100 100's by Sachin
Never! haha lol.
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I don't think India have bowled that badly. At least not as badly as they bowled in England six months ago.
They have just bowled without inspiration.
Dhoni looks like he is running out of ideas and the bowlers shoulders have slumped.
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Clarke motoring now, leaving Ponting behind after they went run for run prior to lunch
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Well Kohli is bowling, while Yadav hasn't bowled since play resumed, so unless he is injured, I have no idea what they are doing
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Well Kohli is bowling, while Yadav hasn't bowled since play resumed, so unless he is injured, I have no idea what they are doing
erm, they're losing...
...the game, the series, the plot, take your pick!
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Clarke motoring now, leaving Ponting behind after they went run for run prior to lunch
Probably comes down to the fact he has faced more balls.. 4 overs more
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Looks like Hussey has widened his stance. It used to be no more than shoulder width apart, now it is a fair bit wider than that. Looks to be working for him.
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Sharma just brings up his 100, the crowd is giving him a standing ovation as he walks back to fine leg, he then raises his cap and accepts the applause and the crowd laughs. Good sport there.
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200 up for Clarke in a brilliant innings. Lead of 213 atm with an hour of play left on day 2. Big lead looks on the cards, and India will be batting to save the test.
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200 up for Clarke in a brilliant innings. Lead of 213 atm with an hour of play left on day 2. Big lead looks on the cards, and India will be batting to save the test.
I reckon Australia will be thinking to bat out on Day Three as well and extend the lead to as much they can maybe 400 and make a innings victory perhaps.
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Sehwag just bowled the ball from the crease, but it ended up behind the umpire, LOL.
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The way Clarke is playing I think he will break Laras record haha
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Just checked into my hotel and saw the score; innings defeat for India!!
End of an era now looms; the only positive aspect might be Sachin's hundred.
Well played Australia.
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Sachin would be watching this carnage and thinking to himself that he is a monty to score a century in India's second dig.
The pitch is a batting deck par excellance.
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Missed Ponting's century. How did he play overall?
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hats off to the Aussies,fabulous double ton from Clarke,Pointing still showing what a great player he is.
Whatever the reason is Clarke does'nt have a bat sponsor currently i'm sure he does'nt give a xxxx right at this moment!!
Ashes 2013 cant wait
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hats off to the Aussies,fabulous double ton from Clarke,Pointing still showing what a great player he is.
Whatever the reason is Clarke does'nt have a bat sponsor currently i'm sure he does'nt give a xxxx right at this moment!!
Ashes 2013 cant wait
erm, Australia beating India is like them taking our sloppy seconds...
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^ lets keep this PG aye. ;)
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Missed Ponting's century. How did he play overall?
Very well.
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erm, Australia beating India is like them taking our sloppy seconds...
That is a maniac comment dude; don't know whether I will agree to that though. India might be down, but sloppy seconds to England, a team which has not won even one world cup.....sorry that is too much :)
Sloppy seconds??
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Clarke with all his superstitions will probably keep his bat blank! Predictions as to what Clarke'll finish up on?
Also, on this track, India could quite easily turn it on and get 600-3 batting for 2 days
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That is a maniac comment dude; don't know whether I will agree to that though. India might be down, but sloppy seconds to England, a team which has not won even one world cup.....sorry that is too much :)
Sloppy seconds??
This India team has just shown that is not interested in test cricket, again. A fair comment I'd say.
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That is a maniac comment dude; don't know whether I will agree to that though. India might be down, but sloppy seconds to England, a team which has not won even one world cup.....sorry that is too much :)
Sloppy seconds??
Maniac is in his name :D
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This India team has just shown that is not interested in test cricket, again. A fair comment I'd say.
This team is playing badly no doubt Tim and I have been one of the staunchest critic of them if you read through the pages.
But sorry, with all due respect, England cannot call India its sloppy seconds. Australia might be down but look at their record the last couple of decades---- I mean I would have at least understood Australia calling any team its sloppy second but please not England. I admire the English team but that is too much.
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Clarke with all his superstitions will probably keep his bat blank! Predictions as to what Clarke'll finish up on?
Also, on this track, India could quite easily turn it on and get 600-3 batting for 2 days
Don't forget that the deck will open up more, and Lyon will come into play.
Judging by India's batting efforts so far, I think 600 is a massive stretch. I think they will struggle again and will be lucky to get past 350 imo.
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Don't forget that the deck will open up more, and Lyon will come into play.
Judging by India's batting efforts so far, I think 600 is a massive stretch. They will be lucky to get past 350 imo.
Innings defeat---unfortunately yes. A lot of rebuilding is on the cards.
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Ok, maybe 600 is a bit over the top but the might last a bit longer than expected.
I think Clarke will get 312
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India have had a bad day today,and a bad tour of England,i went to the games i saw it myself
but they need to show a massive amount of fight in this match to get out of this.
I don't believe they are that bad a test side-yeah they have had some bad results but that happens.
It looks a great batting wicket to me,India need to find some steel and bat for the lives when they get in...
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Should India go on and lose this series (especially heavily as its beginning to look) surely they will need to reevaluate their test team? They have some fantastic older players but it seems they are in danger of doing what Australia did and not bringing through the next generation until its too late to give them any real experience of test cricket
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Should India go on and lose this series (especially heavily as its beginning to look) surely they will need to reevaluate their test team? They have some fantastic older players but it seems they are in danger of doing what Australia did and not bringing through the next generation until its too late to give them any real experience of test cricket
Two years of solid rebuilding required and the fans need to be patient which is a difficult task for them..lol
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clarke using a blank?
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clarke using a blank?
But not firing blanks importantly :(
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this youngster, I think ponting his name is, he looks ok, is he new?
India seem to be pushed onto the ropes by a rather ordinary Aussie team.
Michael Clarke will be a little sore tomorrow, I think he will be out for 301
I also think hussey will make a ton.
Indians to be 157 all out.
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this youngster, I think ponting his name is, he looks ok, is he new?
India seem to be pushed onto the ropes by a rather ordinary Aussie team.
Michael Clarke will be a little sore tomorrow, I think he will be out for 301
I also think hussey will make a ton.
Indians to be 157 all out.
I think they are a bit better than ordinary. They have just been really inconsistent since the Ashes, where they clearly struggled in all but 1/2 games (WACA and the Gabba), not having been able to win more than 1 test in their 3 previous series against SL, SA and NZ. In saying that though, they played 7 games for 3 wins, 2 draws and 2 loses. They won the first test comfortably and they are looking like winning the 2nd test as well, and only the experience of the Indian statsemen can deny them.
Their best is really good, but their worst is just attrocious. They wont dominate like they used to, but if they can rain in the gap between their best and their worst, then they will go some way to getting back up the rankings.
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this youngster, I think ponting his name is, he looks ok, is he new?
You don't remember him? He was there in your coaching camp last summer; way to go coach Buzz :D
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Michael Clarke will be a little sore tomorrow, I think he will be out for 301
Clarke sore? Imagine what Zaheer is going to be like lol, the commentators where saying how stiff he was after bowling on the 1st day - that was during his spell first thing day 2 lol
I foresee another injury on it's way :D
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I struggled to watch that today.
As good as Clarke's innings was, Dhoni's captaincy was just so negative. Behind by only 100, we were treated to 22 overs from part timers with 6 men on the fence conceding a run a ball without taking a risk.
Painful cricket to watch.
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land123
good point. laxman/dravid/sachin cant go on forever.there is massive talent in the younger indian batsmen. Kohli and rohit sharma are real talents.
i think what will happen is laxman will retire 1st,leaving a gap,but with tendulkar and dravid i dont know.
dravid may be 38 but he is one of the world best batsmen still.
With India there is always the political aspect.who tells sachin to retire?
i think no one is the answer.
for all indian fans on this forum,any side needs to rebuild.you dont want 3 great batters going at the same time.
India were woeful in this country but the talent is there.They MUST however learn to play in quick bouncy pitches.
Let's give credit to the aussies thou,our old enemy-they are turning things round and quickly......
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Clarke sore? Imagine what Zaheer is going to be like lol, the commentators where saying how stiff he was after bowling on the 1st day - that was during his spell first thing day 2 lol
I foresee another injury on it's way :D
In all seriousness, he looked shot. He struggled to get it up to 130km/ph, and was regularly mid 120's. At the MCG he was around mid 130's.
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land123
good point. laxman/dravid/sachin cant go on forever.there is massive talent in the younger indian batsmen. Kohli and rohit sharma are real talents.
i think what will happen is laxman will retire 1st,leaving a gap,but with tendulkar and dravid i dont know.
dravid may be 38 but he is one of the world best batsmen still.
With India there is always the political aspect.who tells sachin to retire?
i think no one is the answer.
for all indian fans on this forum,any side needs to rebuild.you dont want 3 great batters going at the same time.
India were woeful in this country but the talent is there.They MUST however learn to play in quick bouncy pitches.
Let's give credit to the aussies thou,our old enemy-they are turning things round and quickly......
Ive had a look at the stats of the next generation of Indian batsmen, and it looks like almost all of them have never played top level cricket anywhere else other than India, so they aren't being exposed to different conditions, which means they will struggle on decks that aren't flat, batting paradises.
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youre 100 per cent right Langer....
here's a thought for you.
the best 5 Indian (young) batsmen play in this country for a county side where the schedule allows.
Dravid,one of my favourite Indian players,spent time playing for Kent as we know.
Did it help him develop his game to cope in alien conditions?
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I think they are a bit better than ordinary. They have just been really inconsistent since the Ashes, where they clearly struggled in all but 1/2 games (WACA and the Gabba), not having been able to win more than 1 test in their 3 previous series against SL, SA and NZ. In saying that though, they played 7 games for 3 wins, 2 draws and 2 loses. They won the first test comfortably and they are looking like winning the 2nd test as well, although only the experience of the Indian statsemen can save them.
Their best is really good, but their worst is just attrocious. They wont dominate like they used to, but if they can rain in the gap between their best and their worst, then they will go some way to getting back up the rankings.
that sounds like the comment of a mid 90's early 2000's england cricket fan!
But I do agree with you.
On India - the next generation of potential stars will all be very wealthy from 2020/50 over cricket before they become established test players - it will be interesting to see how this impacts their hunger for the 5 day game.
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Dravid also played for Scotland, are we likely to see Raina, Kohli etc ply their trade on either the Australian or English county circuit I doubt it because of the lure of IPL money.
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Ive had a look at the stats of the next generation of Indian batsmen, and it looks like almost all of them have never played top level cricket anywhere else other than India, so they aren't being exposed to different conditions, which means they will struggle on decks that aren't flat, batting paradises.
Exactly my point. They should be introducing players into the test game (or forcing them to go out and play county cricket etc) to get more experience (in my opinion). Other wise India will be replacing some pretty big holes soon just as the aussies did when warne, mcgrath et al retired
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Read on pakpassion that Clarke went to Kingsgrove Sports, which is a cricket/soccer shop in NSW, and while he was there a bloke on the pak passion forum saw him and asked him about his bats, and Clarke said they are made in Australia.
Clarke possibly using a bat made by JM?
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or Paul Brabury or one of the other Aussie batmakers...
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or Paul Brabury or one of the other Aussie batmakers...
Was thinking that it could be him or the blokes from Gabba.
Dunno who else there is, as I highly doubt he would have gotten his bats from Gray Nics.
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Just watched some of the highlights of clarkes innings. Great Knock. His mrs isnt bad either. Commentators/ Cameraman took a liking to her i think
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Exactly my point. They should be introducing players into the test game (or forcing them to go out and play county cricket etc) to get more experience (in my opinion). Other wise India will be replacing some pretty big holes soon just as the aussies did when warne, mcgrath et al retired
is that why said folks (MacGill as well) are playing the BBL? Or is it to try and keep youngstrs AWAY from T20 by filling all the spots? 8)
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Just watched some of the highlights of clarkes innings. Great Knock. His mrs isnt bad either. Commentators/ Cameraman took a liking to her i think
mmmm Kyly Boldy... former weather girl...
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&cp=10&gs_id=2&xhr=t&q=kyly+boldy&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&biw=1280&bih=648&wrapid=tljp132568380775400&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=YFQET6vRLcrm4QT_18iNCA
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what is it she saw in the famous multimillionaire Clarke?
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i think she even managed to fake a tear at his 200 lol. commentators said she knows nothing about cricket but with clarke as her other half she has no choice. atleast shes trying. why arent there more women like that in the world? lol
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i think she even managed to fake a tear at his 200 lol. commentators said she knows nothing about cricket but with clarke as her other half she has no choice. atleast shes trying. why arent there more women like that in the world? lol
dude, I married one. May not withstanding a photographic comparison mind you...
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It's good to see marsh has worked on a few strategies to stay fit through the series!
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how much cardio does it take to bat six balls twice in five days?
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It's good to see marsh has worked on a few strategies to stay fit through the series!
Harsh but fair. These are uncommon dismissals for him (nicking defensive shots outside off stump) he'll be fine.
I think McDermott has done wonders with the bowlers & the batting is coming along, Clarkes last 10 tests would rival anyone and his captaincy is very good. The new admin is streets ahead of the Hilditch lead crew which let us down terribly.
Give it another 12-18 months or so for newcomers to get some tests under their belt.
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Re Clarkes bat sponsor, there's a vacancy @ Adidas given Bells departure? Big stuff up by slaz IMO the brand has gone massively backwards from mid 90's.
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Rumours are that Adidas are not making bats next season and therefore won't be sponsoring anyone.
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Re Clarkes bat sponsor, there's a vacancy @ Adidas given Bells departure? Big stuff up by slaz IMO the brand has gone massively backwards from mid 90's.
They've got a few Eng boys Prior, Morgan, Bairstow. But yeah nothing like they used to be in the Stewart, Butcher, Hick days. Kookaburra or GN I reckon Adidas have given up on bats havent they?
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Rumours are that Adidas are not making bats next season and therefore won't be sponsoring anyone.
Interesting. Front runners might be Kook & GN, but I thought perhaps Adidas might be going to do an MRF when they had SRT, Waugh & Lara
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So, in my mind no need for Aus to declare until gone 700. What do people think?
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I can't see India batting out two days, pattinsons current strike rate suggests that is impossible. Aus could bat all day in my opinion If Clarke makes it to lunch I'd bank on him going past Lara's 400*. He won't get a better chance I don't think.
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I can't see India batting out two days.
Two days?? India supporter here--- I am doubtful whether they will last one whole day.
So the Aussies can just bat the entire day today, score 800 with Clark going past 400; make the Indians look like a bunch of amateurs on the field. That will at least ensure that BCCI F****** does something for Test cricket in India. Just too much IPL and 20/20 and 50/50 results in a big ZERO in Test Cricket. >:(
SHAMEFUL STUFF!!!!!! Angry bloke here >:(
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You know, I'd never have guessed you were angry unless you made a point of telling me on the last line mate ;)
In seriousness, you're right. There needs to be some reconsideration. India hadn't done much playing overseas when they became No. 1 in the world Test Rankings, and as soon as they've gone overseas their flaws are being exposed.
It's surprising that a very talented batting line-up on paper hasn't performed to their ability yet, but I'd be impressed if India will be able to salvage something from the test.
Assuming Clarke Hussey and Haddin stay in, then I predict they'll declare somewhere round the 800 mark or when Clarke reaches 400 (if), probably leaving a tricky hour session for the Indian openers to negotiate at the end.
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I am not even going into whether the team is to be blamed. That is another story. For important tours like this you need to prepare properly but so many rubbish strewn in between (20/20, 50/50, money/money) BCCI should be spanked for not letting the team get acclimatized with foreign and difficult conditions.
This team had what it takes to win. But the current form being in the negative and with ridiculous preparation this is what happens. Now the fans will get pissed with the team--- but they should raid the BCCI office, hold the officials ransom for some common sense scheduling and then after all that have some patience while the team rebuilds.
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Two days?? India supporter here--- I am doubtful whether they will last one whole day.
So the Aussies can just bat the entire day today, score 800 with Clark going past 400; make the Indians look like a bunch of amateurs on the field. That will at least ensure that BCCI F****** does something for Test cricket in India. Just too much IPL and 20/20 and 50/50 results in a big ZERO in Test Cricket. >:(
SHAMEFUL STUFF!!!!!! Angry bloke here >:(
You're the only Indian fan that I have seen express this opinion, and I have to say I'm glad.
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You're the only Indian fan that I have seen express this opinion, and I have to say I'm glad.
I feel bad for the team; the talent is amazing but you cannot prepare for a marathon by playing table tennis.
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Furthermore we all know that the team is a slow starter in overseas tours even in the best of times. So should not the plan be to help them out by a little better scheduling? Or are they supposed to better themselves by continually putting forward the same dismal performances in the first part of a tour? India would have won a lot of overseas series by now if they did not keep losing the first game. I mean, you need not be a rocket scientist to get that, right? >:(
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Slazanger also have Kallis and Steyn
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Australia coasting - loved the comment about what better Xmas gift than being on 99 and having Sehwag bowl at you..
Harsh but true for an international batsman.. :-[
Wonder whether Clarke will get his triple before lunch...
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300 up for Clarke just after lunch. Only the 3rd tripple century in tests in Australia. First tripple century at the SCG in test matches too. Bloody awesome knock.
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Previous best of 168 for him, now its 300+. Not a bad effort.
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Also, after being 3/37, Australia are now 1/576 with the score on 4/613
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I have a feeling Micheal Clarke will break Brain Charles Lara's Record of 400 today
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I have a feeling Micheal Clarke will break Brain Charles Lara's Record of 400 today
No.
Clarke has declared at 4/659.
Hussey 150*
Clarke 329*
Evidently personal records are secondary.
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From 3/37, to 4/659. So after the first 3 wickets, Australia were 1/622. Bloody awesome.
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Selfless, but also needless - more than enough time in the match to force a result - I reckon he's bottled it!
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There is rain forecast for tomorrow.
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Gambhir's thigh pad is massive
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No.
Clarke has declared at 4/659.
Hussey 150*
Clarke 329*
Evidently personal records are secondary.
I know he has, by the time I submitted my post declaration was done and I just logged in after declaration took place.
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Gambhir's thigh pad is massive
Haha exavtly my thoughts
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Sehwag's instincts led him to flash wide of off stump.
Again.
Warner takes a great diving catch.
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Selfless, but also needless - more than enough time in the match to force a result - I reckon he's bottled it!
I think its part of his "please don't hate me so much" image makeover cricket Australia are giving him.
Working too.... He'd probably have walked if he nicked it too (after getting to 300).
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Great turnaround for Australia--- simply mindboggling: congrats to Clarke.
Let's see if India can make a match out of this. Been so disappointed that went to sleep for a few hours after my conference.
BCCI: Look at this and learn a lesson, please >:(
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And India's practice bowler gets another wicket
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And India's practice bowler gets another wicket
Yeah--- I remembered someone mentioning that; who said it by the way?
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Can't remember
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Bloody Haddin drops another one. Waist/shoulder height and he didn't get anywhere near it, going through his gloves.
He keeps dropping catches, doesn't score runs, but some how keeps his spot in the team. What a joke. Looking forward to Wade coming in.
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You said the same thing about couple of other guys and look now what they have done; at this rate Haddin might score a century next game :)
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Bloody Haddin drops another one. Waist/shoulder height and he didn't get anywhere near it, going through his gloves.
He keeps dropping catches, doesn't score runs, but some how keeps his spot in the team. What a joke. Looking forward to Wade coming in.
If Tim Paine was fully fit, who would you prefer out of the two?
Wade is a good prospect with the gloves but I think his batting is set up for one day cricket
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If Tim Paine was fully fit, who would you prefer out of the two?
Wade is a good prospect with the gloves but I think his batting is set up for one day cricket
Paine would be atm if he was fit, so Haddin is lucky. But I think Wade is a better prospect that Paine and Haddin IMO.
Wade averages 40.16 over his 74 innings in 50 FC matches, with a strike rate of 49.51, which isn't really a strike rate of a one day style of player. So far this season he has scored 316 runs in 6 innings, and is averaging 63.20 with a strike rate of 51.88
So he is deffinately well equiped and has been showing solid form this season. Only problem is that FC is on hold for the Big Bash League, so he isn't able to show what he has got while Haddin is clearly struggling and more just filling in a place till someone better comes along, a la Wade.
Hartley would be the best keeper in the comp, but his batting has left something to be desired so far this year.
The sooner they get Wade in, the better, as he is still young at 24. Haddin wont be playing in the 2013 Ashes, so they should start grooming the next keeper, which I think should be Wade.
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Haddin used to be a safe keeper who could bat like a champ.
Now he is struggling with the bat and that has effected his confidence with the gloves.
That drop today off Gambhir was unforgivable. A keeper in park cricket would have held it.
Time is up.
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Disspointing thing for the new sponsor of Clarke is that they cant bring out a Michael Clarke 329* special. But oh well.
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Disspointing thing for the new sponsor of Clarke is that they cant bring out a Michael Clarke 329* special. But oh well.
i am sure they can!!
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Rumours are that Slazenger pulled out of his deal because of financial constraints. Apparently in talks with Spartan sports for a deal worth in the 'high 6 figures'
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Rumours are that Slazenger pulled out of his deal because of financial constraints. Apparently in talks with Spartan sports for a deal worth in the 'high 6 figures'
I hope not, their stickers are an eye-saw, lol.
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i am sure they can!!
True, but I don't think they would. Although, anything to make a dollar seems to be the way it is.
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Was about to say Gambir and Sachin looking very comfortable then Siddle comes on ad gets Gambir with a poor shot
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Sachin looks in deadly form :)
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You better not have scuppered his chances of the hundredth hundred with the dreaded kiss of death!
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Today is Sachins day
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They are going to be looking at what's in Warner's kit during the cricket show today. Should be good
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Hope not, the guy embodies whats wrong with Indian cricket. Dravid will be missed more when they all go, better team man and better bloke.
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Hope not, the guy embodies whats wrong with Indian cricket. Dravid will be missed more when they all go, better team man and better bloke.
You're talking about Sachin Tendulkar now are you?
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Hope not, the guy embodies whats wrong with Indian cricket. Dravid will be missed more when they all go, better team man and better bloke.
And how does Sachin embody what is wrong with Indian cricket? Also how do you know he is not that good a bloke? just curious ;)
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Yes Sachin, cricket is a team sport, I find him and the focus on him very selfish. I also can't get past him lying on his last tour here, he lost all credibility in my books.
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Yes Sachin, cricket is a team sport, I find him and the focus on him very selfish. I also can't get past him lying on his last tour here, he lost all credibility in my books.
Interesting; so what did he lie about? Sorry, I might have missed that part :)
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The Harbijahn-Symonds fiasco, changed his story at the appeal claiming to hear exactly what Harbijhan had said, even though footage showed him nowhere near the incident.
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Don't confuse the issues though, as a batsmen he is in the top 3 I have seen. I also have never met him so it's just an opinion I have formed, have met Dravid though and found him excellent.
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Holy s##t, Sam Burgess has a massive melon
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The Harbijahn-Symonds fiasco, changed his story at the appeal claiming to hear exactly what Harbijhan had said, even though footage showed him nowhere near the incident.
Ok-- that one; sorry for a moment I was thinking about something about the English tour. Yes, that was an interesting incident indeed to say the least. That was a big one while at the same time quite complicated. He did stick with his mates while I understand how the Aussies might have been hurt by his stance. By the way, if you don't know, 'monkey' is a petty insult for Indians; it has absolutely no racial undertone. Just like Thumbs Up in Indian terms would mean 'thenga' or zero, nada and is actually quite negative.... But the fact that Bhajji was involved in that incident makes it a bit more complicated ;)
22 years of hard work and that 'controversial' incident made him a absolute villain....that is really sad.
What do you then think about Greg Chappell, Lillee, McGrath etc? :)
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Mike "the walker" Hussey ?
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Mike "the walker" Hussey ?
The list will go on.
But I do understand where bigboy is coming from though to be honest. I think the Tendulkar fans in Australia were more hurt because it was Sachin himself. I mean I do not know of another modern era player who has played for such a long time with so little controversies :)
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I don't get the Hussey one?
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kaustav - is there anywhere on the net we can watch this match live? I don't have sky sports :(
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At last some resistance from the Indian batting; even if they can manage to bat out the day that will be a positive start.
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kaustav - is there anywhere on the net we can watch this match live? I don't have sky sports :(
PM-ing you boss!!
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I don't get the Hussey one?
Just wanted to know whether bigboy thinks Mike Hussey embodies everything in Aussie cricket, ie. when he walks (not) every time he's edged the ball and been caught :)
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Tendulker GONE!
Clarke gets him
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Damn--jinxed him :(
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Just wanted to know whether bigboy thinks Mike Hussey embodies everything in Aussie cricket, ie. when he walks (not) every time he's edged the ball and been caught :)
Which instance are you reffering too?
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He is under the illusion Australia are the only team that dosen't walk, walking is the exception rather than the rule for all countries, the tit for tat would be endless and has nothing to do with my reasons for not being a fan of Tendulkar.
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The wicket came at a very good time for Australia, just before the new ball.
Wasnt there a forecast for rain?..lol
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Ok-- that one; sorry for a moment I was thinking about something about the English tour. Yes, that was an interesting incident indeed to say the least. That was a big one while at the same time quite complicated. He did stick with his mates while I understand how the Aussies might have been hurt by his stance. By the way, if you don't know, 'monkey' is a petty insult for Indians; it has absolutely no racial undertone. Just like Thumbs Up in Indian terms would mean 'thenga' or zero, nada and is actually quite negative.... But the fact that Bhajji was involved in that incident makes it a bit more complicated ;)
22 years of hard work and that 'controversial' incident made him a absolute villain....that is really sad.
What do you then think about Greg Chappell, Lillee, McGrath etc? :)
Completley different era for Chappell and Lillee, MacGrath and Hayden I found typical bullies, loved dishing it out but couldn't cop it back, unlike Waugh and warney.
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I think Shane Warne is the most loved Aussie player in India. I agree with you--- he could give it as well as he could take it; awesome thinking competitor.
McGrath vs Sarwan -- don't we all love this game ;)
Laxman gone; come on, make the opposition bat one more time even if they have to score 1 run to win :(
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Well well look who has got another wicket Hilfie
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Hillfenhaus had no idea he had bowled Laxman, then didn't know that Dohni had scooped it up to him for a caught and bowled, lol.
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Good bowling! Even better batting >:(
Well played Australia--- you guys deserved to win.
Back to the drawing board for the guys from India----in a big way >:(
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Australia win and another 5 for Hillfenhaus.
Looks like being dropped and going back to his old action has paid off. He is also fitter than last season. Good dilema Australia now have with Harris and Cummins to come back.
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Good to see Australian fast bowling department getting stronger and making boys compete for the spot.
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He is under the illusion Australia are the only team that dosen't walk, walking is the exception rather than the rule for all countries, the tit for tat would be endless and has nothing to do with my reasons for not being a fan of Tendulkar.
I'm under no such illusion
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Pattinson is out for the next month with a fractured metatarsal.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/548293.html
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I'm under no such illusion
Neither you should be when dhoni (who I like) stands for a replay of an obvious return catch. According to you he should have walked? Anyway, the Indians will get absolitely pumped in Perth, got my seats booked, can't wait.
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That is a blow, but sounds like he was going to be rested anyway.
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where do you play awp?
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Mate I'm an old fart long since hung 'em up, enjoy the odd social run these days...
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Neither you should be when dhoni (who I like) stands for a replay of an obvious return catch. According to you he should have walked? Anyway, the Indians will get absolitely pumped in Perth, got my seats booked, can't wait.
I didn't see it, but if he thought he was out, he should have walked, yes
The Aussies are right on top and pumped up for a big series win. It's a shame about Pattinson, as he's made a superb start to his career and sincerely hope it doesn't affect him too much going forward
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It's unfortunate for Pattinson, especially if Cummins plays!
Cummins looks like another real talent and if he plays well, then the selectors will have a Dilemma with who to choose if they are all fit!
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It's unfortunate for Pattinson, especially if Cummins plays!
Cummins looks like another real talent and if he plays well, then the selectors will have a Dilemma with who to choose if they are all fit!
I think Cummins is out for the summer Pete
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Just wanted to know whether bigboy thinks Mike Hussey embodies everything in Aussie cricket, ie. when he walks (not) every time he's edged the ball and been caught :)
Dravid walks.
Tendulkar doesn't.
Gilchrist walked.
Most other Aussie batsmen do not.
I cannot think of any Englishmen who walk. I could be wrong.
I am not sure what your point is Aswani?
To walk or not to walk is not just an Australian question, but one that spans the entire cricketing fraternity.
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I think Cummins is out for the summer Pete
Cummins will not be risked this summer - at least that is the word.
Both Harris and Starc will come in to augment Hilfenhaus and Siddle in Perth.
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Cummins will not be risked this summer - at least that is the word.
Both Harris and Starc will come in to augment Hilfenhaus and Siddle in Perth.
It's a pity Pattinson's injured because I thought the Australian attack in Sydney looked well balanced and complemented each other splendidly. Admittedly the Indian batsman weren't at the top of their game but they did show glimpses of what they're capable of
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It's a pity Pattinson's injured because I thought the Australian attack in Sydney looked well balanced and complemented each other splendidly. Admittedly the Indian batsman weren't at the top of their game but they did show glimpses of what they're capable of
It is a pity as Pattinson is a developing talent that is exciting to watch.
It is rather a blow that Pattinson has succumbed to a foot injury not to disimilar to Cummins injury.
They will be both put on ice as it is better to be safe than sorry.
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bet they trot out johnson for perth. Seems the only place he can bowl straight, maybe because the wind pushes it towards the batsman :D
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It is a pity as Pattinson is a developing talent that is exciting to watch.
It is rather a blow that Pattinson has succumbed to a foot injury not to disimilar to Cummins injury.
They will be both put on ice as it is better to be safe than sorry.
Question is Vic why are our bowlers succumbing to injuries... Not just Pattinson and Cummins but Siddle has had injury problems, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Harris they have all had injury problems.. How do we stop this from happening and why is it happening???
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bet they trot out johnson for perth. Seems the only place he can bowl straight, maybe because the wind pushes it towards the batsman :D
I bet they don't... I think India's practice bowler is doing well enough isn't he?... haha
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So has Johnson actually been dropped or is he injured?
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So has Johnson actually been dropped or is he injured?
He was out injured... Not sure if he has recovered or not though
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Just checked, supposedly out until April.....a blessing for the Australian side!
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bet they trot out johnson for perth. Seems the only place he can bowl straight, maybe because the wind pushes it towards the batsman :D
You would lose your bet Saunders - as MJ is out for another six months! :)
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Question is Vic why are our bowlers succumbing to injuries... Not just Pattinson and Cummins but Siddle has had injury problems, Watson, Hilfenhaus, Harris they have all had injury problems.. How do we stop this from happening and why is it happening???
If I had the answer to that question, I would be a millionaire!
Short answer, I don't know.
Josh Hazlewood has just re-injured himself and is likely to miss a month.
I have never seen such a long list of injuries to bowlers.
Cummins
Pattinson
Watson
Hazlewood
Johnson
Harris
Cutting
Bollinger
Something is clearly wrong...but what?
If someone can find the answer to that, then we are on our way.
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My theory is the limitations on junior bowlers now, makes me sound old but we used to play cricket at school, ride to training and bowl till we were knackered, now the amount they bowl is very limited.
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I have a theory on Rugby League players and the increased injuries they have gone through... I think that they are that finely tuned these days that they are on the edge of perfection... but step over that edge and something breaks.. Too much intense fitness training perhaps??.. Too much focus on weight training???.. Carrying more muscle mass than ever before???... Bigger builds putting more strain on the body???
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I have a theory on Rugby League players and the increased injuries they have gone through... I think that they are that finely tuned these days that they are on the edge of perfection... but step over that edge and something breaks.. Too much intense fitness training perhaps??.. Too much focus on weight training???.. Carrying more muscle mass than ever before???... Bigger builds putting more strain on the body???
Both BB and yourself make good points.
In the "old days", bowlers gained fitness by bowling hundreds upon hundreds of overs per season.
They played test cricket, FC cricket and in Australia, even district cricket (when available). They bowled and bowled.
Somehow, this made them more durable.
Look at Jeff Thomson...the only injury he ever got (and it was a bad one) was not from actually bowling, but from a collision with Alan Turner as they both ran in to try and catch a skied pull shot from Zaheer Abbas. Even then with his collarbone smashed, he was back playing test cricket in less than six months!
Nowadays, they suffer stress fractures of the feet, soft tissue injuries etc etc
Is it all the gym work that build their bodies into fine tuned machines, yet are susceptible to the slightest hint of strain?
I sure would love to know the answer and the remedy.
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Well, the great Freddie Trueman used to say that to get fit for bowling - he bowled. And there are plenty of other old time greats who would have paraphrased exactly the same thing. What it comes down to is that bowling - even more than batting - uses a very particular set of muscles in the shoulders, back and chest and places a lot of strain on and through the front leg - so a lot of the gym bunny work outs that modern players seem keen on to ensure they look good on the beach are just creating extra weight - albeit muscle - in the wrong places. English bowlers had this problem a few years back - Tremlett has lost something like 2st in muscle mass in recent years, Simon Jones made his problems far worse by looking like the incredible hulk at times, Plunkett and Mahmood both had issues as a result. Not saying that accounts for all of the bowlers you've mentioned, but it was certainly a factor for Watto...
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http://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/foot-injury-pitches-pattinson-out-of-series-20120106-1pot5.html
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Lovely quote from Jarrod Kimber today - "this series reminds me of an American remake of a much cooler European series I saw six months ago" - I confess, we may have the better cricketers, but you guys have the best broadcaster and the two best writers! (with apologies to Mike Atherton, who comes a close second and third, respectively)
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My theory is the limitations on junior bowlers now, makes me sound old but we used to play cricket at school, ride to training and bowl till we were knackered, now the amount they bowl is very limited.
Totally agree. These days the kids have to be taken off just as they've warmed up and got their line/length. Particularly frustrating for the kids who are good enough to play senior cricket
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Lovely quote from Jarrod Kimber today - "this series reminds me of an American remake of a much cooler European series I saw six months ago" - I confess, we may have the better cricketers, but you guys have the best broadcaster and the two best writers! (with apologies to Mike Atherton, who comes a close second and third, respectively)
Except for the fact that India have an injury free full team playing this time around.
In England they had a number of no names turning out due to absenses of Sehwag, Zaheer and co.
Wouldn't have helped them though...
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Totally agree. These days the kids have to be taken off just as they've warmed up and got their line/length. Particularly frustrating for the kids who are good enough to play senior cricket
indeed - I agree there should be some restrictions because otherwise you run the risk of kids being bowled too far. But I think that it should ONLY be a daily limit - for an under 15 12 overs is sensible - and no limit on spells.
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Except for the fact that India have an injury free full team playing this time around.
In England they had a number of no names turning out due to absenses of Sehwag, Zaheer and co.
Wouldn't have helped them though...
Well, they're missing Praveen Kumar, who would certainly get in their best attack! Face it Vic, your lads are just taking our sloppies!
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I think England will find it the same as India have, it's much easier to reach number 1 than stay there.
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I think England will find it the same as India have, it's much easier to reach number 1 than stay there.
thats true - their run of series over the next three years is very demanding, with two Ashes, South Africa at home and visits to all three sub continental teams to come. Difference is, I think England have a better infrastructure in place to support them remaining there.
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Well, they're missing Praveen Kumar, who would certainly get in their best attack! Face it Vic, your lads are just taking our sloppies!
I doubt that the genteel 125kph Praveen Kumar would get a gig ahead of the faster trio they have at present to be honest.
This is India's dream eleven...or at least it was. Ro Sharma will come in for Kohli I would think.
That is about it though.
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thats true - their run of series over the next three years is very demanding, with two Ashes, South Africa at home and visits to all three sub continental teams to come. Difference is, I think England have a better infrastructure in place to support them remaining there.
After this series, India will not play away from the sub continent for the next two years. So they will win plenty in that time.
England will be reminded that even cod average Indian players grow a leg when they are playing in home conditions.
You will find out soon enough.
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Poaching players that have grown up in other countries is hardly solid infrastructure, within the current laws or not I think it's why england will struggle to gain the respect that top spot deserves.
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Poaching players that have grown up in other countries is hardly solid infrastructure, within the current laws or not I think it's why england will struggle to gain the respect that top spot deserves.
Humm - KP and Trott were rejected by SA and Ireland isn't a test playing country - so poaching is not really the right word.
there are also a large number of up and coming English/Welsh players in the lions squad - so they have a chance of pushing on without using foreign players.
the next few years has a very brutal schedule for Eng - if we do remain number 1 during that period I am very sure we will retain/gain the appropraite levels of respect.
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I doubt that the genteel 125kph Praveen Kumar would get a gig ahead of the faster trio they have at present to be honest.
Not sure about that - they've never been that obsessed by pace and he did so a superb job in the UK.
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Humm - KP and Trott were rejected by SA and Ireland isn't a test playing country - so poaching is not really the right word.
there are also a large number of up and coming English/Welsh players in the lions squad - so they have a chance of pushing on without using foreign players.
Poaching would be if we had chased after the players concerned anyway, and we didn't - they all came looking for us!
I don't necessarily like it, but they're qualified to play and it would be churlish to say "no"!
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Humm - KP and Trott were rejected by SA and Ireland isn't a test playing country - so poaching is not really the right word.
Both would be playing for SA by now if they stuck around.
Mercenaries.
Hussey wasn't picked for Australia until he was 31 - should he have explored some distant English ancestry to play test cricket sooner?
What about Brad Hodge and poor Jamie Siddons?
I am sure if they took the Trott/Pietersen route, they would have played heaps of tests for England.
Strauss and Prior at least were immigrants as kids - which is perfectly acceptable.
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Hussey wasn't picked for Australia until he was 31 - should he have explored some distant English ancestry to play test cricket sooner?
I do love the hypocritical Aussie attitude to such things - its okay when Andrew Symonds plays for them despite been a Brit, or when their rugby team has a mixture of failed All Blacks - Quade Cooper being the ulimate sell out - Canadians, Zimboks, New Guineans and the like - but as soon as they get pasted by a team who do the same they start sooking like babies!
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Not sure about that - they've never been that obsessed by pace and he did so a superb job in the UK.
On the contrary.
On this tour Down Under the Indians have made a lot of noise about the fact that both Umesh Yadav and Ishant Sharma can hit speeds up to 150kph (about 93mph) and Zaheer up to 143 (90mph).
Praveen Kumar's 78mph deliveries that would barely swing in Australia would simply be road kill.
He would not have been first choice. In fact Aaron is the next cab off the rank as he too also bowls around teh 93mph mark.
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KP was playing as an off-spinner in SA state cricket and trott wasn't uprooting trees. They have become what they are by playing cricket in england and learning their trade.
Plenty of other countries have used our system to make their players better.
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Trott and Pieterson both have English mothers.
whilst the debate still goes on if they are 'english' enough to represent our country they qualify by the rules.
It may not be liked but growing up watching england allan lamb and robin smith played for us and we welcomed them in back then-so it's nothing new.
England v South Africa this summer im sure will be lively on the field,but the facts are it's a pro game and they play for England.
KP ive never particularly liked myself but i'll support him and Trott all the way in an England shirt.Same as I did last summer for Ravi Bops and Samit when the Indian fans all around the at the Oval were hurling some pretty disgusting abuse at them.
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I do love the hypocritical Aussie attitude to such things - its okay when Andrew Symonds plays for them despite been a Brit, or when their rugby team has a mixture of failed All Blacks - Quade Cooper being the ulimate sell out - Canadians, Zimboks, New Guineans and the like - but as soon as they get pasted by a team who do the same they start sooking like babies!
For the hundredth time...Andy Symonds was one month old when he was adoptded by an Aussie family and brought out here. They must have been remarkably prescient to forsee his latent cricket skills as a one month old.
A Brit? Just ask him and he would kick you in the nuts at the merest suggestion.
I am no great rugby fan, but don't New Zealand have half a side made up of Tongans, Samoans etc?
The Zimbo (Pocock) came here with his mum and dad as a teenager - he wasn't recruited.
Canadian? Who is that?
As for Quade Cooper - can we send him back to NZ?
I love it when Pommy cricket fans clutch at all sorts of straws in order to lend their team some cache of credibility.
I do not begrudge your #1 status or even winning the last couple Ashes series, but all these hypotheticals as to who will be in your test team in the next five years as the top order gradually gets put out to pasture is big waste of bandwidth.
No matter how many candidates are put forward as prospects... "Johnny So and So from Lancs is a gun young batsman...just you wait and see" should come with the disclaimer "...but in reality, the ECB recruitment office in Cape Town is busily offering financial inducements to a couple of SA u19's batting stars who are busily studying their genealogy to see if in amongst all that Afrikaaner blood there might be some British blood in there...somewhere".
That would be closer to the mark.
We know it only too well.
You blokes know it too.
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As was mentioned KP and others have 1 parent SA and 1 parent Brit.
As I mentioned months ago out of all the people playing for England, the player with perhaps the least 'right' to is probably Morgan!! :(
But that doesn't mean we don't want him - he's a God when he's on form and happy to have him! :D
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Trott and Pieterson both have English mothers.
On that basis you guys could claim (in no particular order):
James Pattinson
Shaun Tait
Michael Slater
Stuart Clark
Phil Jacques
...as they all had TWO English parents.
Two trumps one I am sure you would agree.
Where does this end?
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Where does this end?
with you dropping the double standards would be a nice start! :-[
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All you've done is prove how stupid this debate is, it's always happened and always will. Stuart Law and Mushtaq Ahmed are qualified to play for us I reckon it's worth a shout!!!
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with you dropping the double standards would be a nice start! :-[
As I don't follow rugby (like most Australians), I don't see that I have any double standards.
Calling Symonds a "Brit" when he is obviously a Jamaican by ancestry and an Australian by proclivity is what I call double standards.
But this is always a circular argument - so we will give it a break! :)
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Calling Symonds a "Brit" when he is obviously a Jamaican by ancestry and an Australian by proclivity is what I call double standards.
Why is he obviously Jamaican by ancestry?
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On that basis you guys could claim (in no particular order):
James Pattinson
Shaun Tait
Michael Slater
Stuart Clark
Phil Jacques
...as they all had TWO English parents.
Two trumps one I am sure you would agree.
Where does this end?
we dont want them their all crap
oh and whos this jonny so and so from lancs?
im intrigued
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we dont want them their all crap
oh and whos this jonny so and so from lancs?
im intrigued
Nice try.
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we dont want them their all crap
oh and whos this jonny so and so from lancs?
im intrigued
They're not all crap.
James Pattinson probably wouldn't get into the current England side, and Shaun Tait would have struggled to get a place in his day, but Michael Slater would've walked into the England side when he played, as would Stuart Clark.
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Just a shame Donald Bradman didnt think of his English grandfather before choosing to play for Australia
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They're not all crap.
James Pattinson probably wouldn't get into the current England side, and Shaun Tait would have struggled to get a place in his day, but Michael Slater would've walked into the England side when he played, as would Stuart Clark.
Agree.
However, with Anderson, Tremlett etc already 30 - Pattinson would be getting a taste by now if he had wanted to play for his parents former homeland.
He wouldn't be a regular, but he would be on the radar.
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An article that states the bleedingly obvious, but interesting none the less.
http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/sportsday-how-to-defeat-the-poms/story-fn6ck6i3-1226237754232
For the record, as I have stated here many times before, I do not believe that Australia will be ready to win the 2013 Ashes as eighteen months is too soon to rebuild an entire top six.
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Most of that is common sense really, save the point about Watson being banned from bowling - I don't personally think his conversion rate and recent form are good enough that he should be keeping a younger player out of the side if playing as a batsman alone, whilst his bowling is a genuine weapon to add to the Aussie arsenal.
Gut instinct says Australia are unlikely to win in 2013; they'd need two players - someone like Maddison or Khawaja - to take to Test cricket exceptionally well and exceptionally quickly to give their top order the necessary stability against the stronger, deeper England bowling resources. That said, if any two out of - Strauss doesn't recover his form, Morgan doesn't find his, Pietersen grows old quickly - happen then England might be in the same position top order wise. Okay, I'd say our bowling is still the stronger, but it'd become a shoot out.
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Most of that is common sense really, save the point about Watson being banned from bowling - I don't personally think his conversion rate and recent form are good enough that he should be keeping a younger player out of the side if playing as a batsman alone, whilst his bowling is a genuine weapon to add to the Aussie arsenal.
Gut instinct says Australia are unlikely to win in 2013; they'd need two players - someone like Maddison or Khawaja - to take to Test cricket exceptionally well and exceptionally quickly to give their top order the necessary stability against the stronger, deeper England bowling resources. That said, if any two out of - Strauss doesn't recover his form, Morgan doesn't find his, Pietersen grows old quickly - happen then England might be in the same position top order wise. Okay, I'd say our bowling is still the stronger, but it'd become a shoot out.
Even if England are somehow past their peak and Strauss, Pietersen and Morgan don't come up to a reasonable level, Australia has to rebuild a complete top order in 18 months. A complete top order.
Noway that Hussey and Ponting will be there in 2013 - and they both scored tons in the last test to win it for us. We might be surprised by a Maddison or a Khawaja - or both, but that still will not be enough, because you need at least five out of your top six contributing regularly to win a big series.
It is a long, long road back up the slippery pole.
The bowling is on the right track - but the batting line up needs a complete overhaul.
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I don't disagree, though my point is that it is conceiveable that England will eventually be in the same boat - not necessarily overwhelmingly likely, but certainly conceiveable.
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Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?
as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?
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Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?
as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?
He's not ready for the jump from FC cricket to Test cricket. Not even close.
All of his wickets were from really wide balls that the batsmen tried to smash, but were caught, or from chop ons. He didn't get a single proper wicket.
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He's not ready for the jump from FC cricket to Test cricket. Not even close.
All of his wickets were from really wide balls that the batsmen tried to smash, but were caught, or from chop ons. He didn't get a single proper wicket.
those wer my thoughts, from that i saw he was allover the place, granted he had some pace but lacked the control for test cricket
and the wickets were all pretty poor balls, example his first was a wide half tracker McCullum smashed to point, and there was one strangled down leg-side if im not mistaken
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He reminded me a touch off Mitchell Johnson...
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Praveen Kumar???
I am a pretty lazy bloke, but I reckon I could jog down the pitch quicker than he gets the ball down there.
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Vic, what do you think of the young lad Starc?
as i presume your an aussie id be interested to hear your opinion of him?
After the relief of not having Johnson bowling his usual brand of dross mixed with the occasionally brilliant which let the batting team score freely, I was dismayed to see that this kid bowled pretty similar to Johnson in that there was fine pace, angle and trajectory - ie; something to work with, but an inability to maintain pressure on the batsmen like Pattinson and Cummins can.
He has a lot of work to do to be a test class bowler.
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After the relief of not having Johnson bowling his usual brand of dross mixed with the occasionally brilliant which let the batting team score freely, I was dismayed to see that this kid bowled pretty similar to Johnson in that there was fine pace, angle and trajectory - ie; something to work with, but an inability to maintain pressure on the batsmen like Pattinson and Cummins can.
He has a lot of work to do to be a test class bowler.
They are thinking of playing 4 quicks, which I think is good, but if Starc is one of them, then we are asking for trouble.
He has basically been put back in the squad on the back of a decent T-20 performance a week or so ago, which is stupid, but we are talking about Cricket Australia, so not really surprising.
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So the focus shifts to the Third Test Match now beginning in a few hours.
Down 2-0 in the series, India's task is not getting any easier with this game being held at Perth :(
I will be really, really surprised if the series does not read 3-0 at the end of this one :( :(
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Backing Sachin for the 100th in this one!
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Seems like we have been backing him to get the 100th 100 for the last 100 innings :(
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I havn't ;)
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Australia won the toss and elected to field. India playing 4 seamers for the first time since 1992 ???
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Sehwag went a little while ago.
The Aussies seem to be beating the outside edge at least once an over
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Starc just bowled a Johnson esqe ball...... Absolute poo, really wide down the leg side and Haadin only just got his fingertips to it.
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The Wall has been breached again.
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Just noticed that Tendulker has new pads. No buckle straps anymore, just the regular velcro.
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I tell you what, the Indians must have done something right by the luck gods, as they are having it all their own way.
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Tendulkar gone! And I was out; came back and saw Laxman batting!!
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Just noticed that Tendulker has new pads. No buckle straps anymore, just the regular velcro.
He has been using velcro strap pads for sometime lately.
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@Langer: this Starc guy looks really good. He can bring the ball back on to the batsman quite nicely.
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Kohli averages over 46 in one-dayers and 22 in Tests.. :(
He is using SS Test gloves I think.
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@Langer: this Starc guy looks really good. He can bring the ball back on to the batsman quite nicely.
He looks better than he did against NZ. He is bowling a better length, but his line is still erratic.
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There have been reports Wasim Akram worked with Starc and had one-on-one sessions.
Kohli is using SS bat and BAS gloves
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Why are the Indian pacemen not learning from the great man??
It's obvious about his bat with the Ton logo; but I think the gloves might be SS as well, only colored. Then again, I might be wrong...lol
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There's a BAS logo on his gloves.
@Langer, I know you're not a fan, be patient with Starc, he could be anything. Bowling
Really well today.
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There's a BAS logo on his gloves.
Ha ha ..duh :-[
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His gloves are BAS. Here is an older version of the gloves he is using:
http://uzisports.com/product_info.php?cPath=2_48&products_id=69
The only realy difference is the colour.
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I know. I know. For some reason I was being blind and did not even see the logo :-[
Does not matter now though; his gloves will not score from the dressing room.
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Warner going off. Got his 50 off 36 balls
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I am not even watching now. 3-0!! >:( >:( >:( :( :( :( >:( >:(
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I've just switched on and Warner is making it look like a road....
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More of the same. India proving that they don't want to participate in the Test match and Australia taking advantage.
In the last 12 months, when playing against England and Australia, this Indian "Golden Generation" have been made to look distinctly average at test cricket.
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They are done. A lot of rebuilding to be done. And a lot of frustration for the next couple of years. Oh Well, this is sports !! :(
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Just had a look at the score on my tea break. Warner's on fire, will definitely have to catch the highlights later
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Warner - a century off 69 balls.
Wow.
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One of the One Day oooooops Test Match innings from Dave Warner in only his 5th Test Match!
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6 overs left today - it is key that he is still there tomorrow and can start again, as if he is on 0 - the potential damage he could inflict tomorrow is HUGE...
Actually Cowen should now work as the night watchman and protect him from the stike to an extent.
Has anyone seen any of the hitting - apparently he is playing most shots in mid air!
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He has simply gone bezerk...smashing anything and everything to the boundary.
When in this mood - Warner is a freak.
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Class batting from Warner, went for a six to bring his 2nd century up... take a bow!
Special mention to Ben Hilfenhaus, taken 18 wickets or so in 3 games after coming back to the team! Very well played.
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What do you think?
Nathan Astle's 200 off 153
Dave Warner 104 off 80
96 runs off 72 balls for the record 200, very possible!!
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Could have had another 4, but the ball hit a seagul
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How hard he hits the ball I'm assuming said seagull is dead, langer
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With the bowling unit working as well as it is, will Mitchell Johnson get back in the team?
They still have Cummins and Pattinson to come back from injury!
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As much as I like seeing the Indians cop a flogging, I am getting more joy from watching grubby old Duncan go through it.
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How hard he hits the ball I'm assuming said seagull is dead, langer
Lol, the bird was lucky. He hit the ball firmly, but didn't smoke the cover of the shot that his the seagul, so it was only struggling for a little bit. It managed to recover quickly and flew off with the others.
It is a very lucky bird.
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Awesome stuff from Warner!!
A 3 day test match is on the cards I feel....
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The wives of Indian cricketers are off shopping they have 2-3 free days with India fielding now. No wonder BCCI has to pay so much to team India and high sponsorship rates.
I think for tests, the individual sponsors logos should be moved from the bats to the backside of the pants as this will guarantee maximum exposure for their brands.
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credit where credit is due..warner has played brilliantly...more players like him are needed in the test match arena.
The Indian bowlers havent helped themselves, they have strayed in their line and length, and just havent swung the ball enough in the right areas. They didnt come out with any aggression or fight. They look like overpaid-overweight amateurs.
Selectors need to be shot, and the coach needs to be given full responsibilty of team affairs including selection and tour schedule ( warm up games)
Nothing will be done though, as all the money is in the IPL and one day game. Once the likes of tendulkar and co call it a day, if things continue to slide on the field, I see public interest in cricket diminishing in India. By this time the current BCCI board will be living it up in some 7 star hotel in Dubai.
God knows why Vinnay Kumar is playing ahead of Aaron, infact ahead of anyone!
Someone gets that seagulls number quick.he saved a 4....hopefully he'll have some Indian grandparents and we can draft him into the team...
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Like!!
Disaster!!!!!!!
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credit where credit is due..warner has played brilliantly...more players like him are needed in the test match arena.
The Indian bowlers havent helped themselves, they have strayed in their line and length, and just havent swung the ball enough in the right areas. They didnt come out with any aggression or fight. They look like overpaid-overweight amateurs.
Selectors need to be shot, and the coach needs to be given full responsibilty of team affairs including selection and tour schedule ( warm up games)
Nothing will be done though, as all the money is in the IPL and one day game. Once the likes of tendulkar and co call it a day, if things continue to slide on the field, I see public interest in cricket diminishing in India. By this time the current BCCI board will be living it up in some 7 star hotel in Dubai.
God knows why Vinnay Kumar is playing ahead of Aaron, infact ahead of anyone!
BCCI should be shot! The batsmen should be shot! The Fielders should be shot! The Bowlers should be shot! The Coach should be shot! IPL should be shot! Or I will shoot myself!! >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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To be honest the media in India over hypes these players resulting in over inflated ego's. India need to prepare better wickets at home so that they improve away from home. Im beginning to think the term "flat track bullies" is apt for them at the moment.
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The cupboard must be bare . . .Vinay Kumar dont look international standard to me.
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Just watched Warners after match interview, will ruffle a few feathers.
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To be honest the media in India over hypes these players resulting in over inflated ego's. India need to prepare better wickets at home so that they improve away from home. Im beginning to think the term "flat track bullies" is apt for them at the moment.
They are not bullies anywhere now; will be like this for the next couple of years at least till the team rebuilds.
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Just watched Warners after match interview, will ruffle a few feathers.
What did he say?
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Just spoke honestly about the state of Indian cricket in his eyes, no PC at all, was a good interview in my eyes but I doubt the hardcore Indian fans will be to pleased. he just told it how it was.
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Just spoke honestly about the state of Indian cricket in his eyes, no PC at all, was a good interview in my eyes but I doubt the hardcore Indian fans will be to pleased. he just told it how it was.
Fair enough.
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BCCI and Indian team need a shock treatment!!
Just think of some of the talented youngsters like Ashwin, Kohli, Rohit Sharma etc.
I would not mind India loosing whilst playing the youngsters, but with all respect for their talent and contributions to Indian and world cricket, I think VVS, RSD and ST should be rested.
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What is the criterion for granting test status - having test match standard venues or team?
It should be both not either as India is long way from a strong test team.
With this form my 1st team will be happy to play a pre-season warm-up with the Indian team.
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I blame the BCCI more than the team. They should start rethinking their strategy for test cricket. More common sense scheduling is required.
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What is the criterion for granting test status - having test match standard venues or team?
It should be both not either as India is long way from a strong test team.
With this form my 1st team will be happy to play a pre-season warm-up with the Indian team.
We need to play Bangladesh and Zimbabwe a few times now, that too at home and maybe we will win a couple of games.
With this test loss India will have the dubious distinction of having lost the most number of test matches overseas on a trot.
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i dont rate Ashwin, i think he a limited over bowler, bowls too quick and too flat the times when ive seen him play. what has murali kartik done wrong. Ojha is another for me who should be ahead in the queue
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Murali Karthik is a grand-dad now.
Ojha is okay.
No decent spinners in the horizon unfortunately.
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He is still doing the business and spinners can go on for ever.
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all of a sudden even the indian fanboys are kicking up (comments section):-
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549179.html
All through england and australia they've been deluding themselves but it seems to have kicked off big time now.
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I read one comment from a lunatic suggesting India shouldn't tour Aus/Eng/Sa because of the green hard wickets.
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The fact is that Asian batsmen are not accustomed to bounce and lateral movement. They need to address this imo.
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nor are english/aus/sa circketers use to asian decks. However, they work hard to adapt. I sense the younger generation of Indian players haven't worked enough on playing outside India, with county cricket being the obvious place to start.
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i agree with what you say, but it is relatively easier moving from conditions conducive to lateral movement to where there is little movement.
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i dont rate Ashwin, i think he a limited over bowler, bowls too quick and too flat the times when ive seen him play. what has murali kartik done wrong. Ojha is another for me who should be ahead in the queue
I agree Ashwin has still not come of age in the international test arena, but he is a mighty good player to have as he has shown with the bat and bowl. Only downside is his fielding.
Spinners need confidence to bowl and in the current series the batsman have done little to give the bowlers any confidence.
I think the bowlers should be paid half their wages and batsmen none for the on-going series.
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He is still doing the business and spinners can go on for ever.
Completley agree with you Ahmed.
Murali has done extremly well for Somerset and his IPL team. Guess he was one of the victims of a biased selection policy. He is handy with the bat too.
What the F*** is Vinay Kumar doing in Aus? I would have played Rahul Sharma over him.
I think MS has a soft spot for his Deccan chargers mates.
BCCI should start with first kicking Kris Srikanth from the chief selectors post. Dont see that happening as the top brass of BCCI likes someone who can lick their backside.
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as a spinner you want to beat batsmen in the flight too, not just with the turn, i cant seen Ashwin doing that too often, spinners such as Vettori have shown that there is room for orthodox spin bowling in international cricket.
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all of a sudden even the indian fanboys are kicking up (comments section):-
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549179.html[/url]
All through england and australia they've been deluding themselves but it seems to have kicked off big time now.
cricinfo's indian mafia in the comments section is always worth a read
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Just watched the highlights, that Warner gives the ball an almighty whack. Great stuff.
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india
are truly awful.
I do not think there is a word to describe their cricket at the moment.
From world no 1 team in test cricket and World Cup champions, this has to be one of the quickest slides by any Side.
Credit goes to Australia, but India are shocking.
I did say in an earlier post that India and with its Money and power in cricket has done nothing to develop cricket in its own country. All its done is made cricketers Richer through the IPL.
The level of Test match players it is producing is not very good.
What will happen when Dravid and Tendulakar retire?
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Add Laxman, Sehwag and Dhoni too!
Dhoni might retire in one of the format by 2013 and most likely it will be side
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Not much fun watching the highlights but bloody hell the Aussies have improved their bowling and the Indians have let themselves down yet again. David Warner (absolute legend now) has surely broken the Indians and I dont mean just for this innings but it will only bring the massive changes for the Indian battting lineup closer
Absolutely agree with Yash id rather see the youngsters get outplayed then this present lot that dont look too interested and seem hapless. Mukund, Tiwary and Sharma are all good bats but can they play a Test innings, lets find out? It seems clearer and clearer that India can only perform on the subcontinent. >:(
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ensure you all tune in tonight for the action
could be the last days play so wouldnt wanna miss an exciting climax
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3 day test match; I think Australia batting for a long time will ensure that it is not a 2 day game...lol
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Indian XI has too much fat - time to bid a farewell to ST, RSD and VVS.
Also I think MSD is not as good a planner/strategist in the longer version as he is in the shorter versions. Time he earned his place in the Test XI.
Get Viru to Captain and Gauti to be the vice-captain.
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Is it the extra padding or are the Indians carrying a bit of extra weight
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Is it the extra padding or are the Indians carrying a bit of extra weight
No that's actually the BCCI Roco; they have to keep their money somewhere.....
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Is it the extra padding or are the Indians carrying a bit of extra weight
Don't need the extra padding as they have not batted for long in any innings.
Extra weight is from carrying 5-7 bats in their kit bags.
I actually mean't that ST, VVS Aad RSD are pas their best and should be respectfully retired from Test cricket at least.
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I think ST will retire if he gets his 100th 100 but he may well have to wait a while for that.
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I think ST will retire if he gets his 100th 100 but he may well have to wait a while for that.
Well, he has been the best Indian batsman on this tour though.
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Not hard at the moment though, but its a shame to see such a wonderful career coming to what could be a drawn out bad end.
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throwing this out there, but Dhoni is quite possibly the worst wicket keeper in test cricket currently
he is so bad to watch,no footwork, seems to be no motivation, never gets up to the stumps to field throws,fumbles and drops straight forward catches
he is poor
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Great knock from Warner comes to an end. He singlehandedly outscored the entire Indian team...lol
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Zaheer gets his revenge against Haddin who probably has been the only bad spot in an otherwise very good series for the Aussies.
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Which dumb nitwit selected Vinay Kumar??? He is just spoiling the fight back for India.
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Starc produces a nasty delivery that removes Gambhir.
Maybe I underestimated Starc?
A brute of a ball.
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Starc produces a nasty delivery that removes Gambhir.
Maybe I underestimated Starc?
A brute of a ball.
One ball doesn't mean much. But he does look much better in this test, then he did in his previous 2.
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He has bowled a heap better this test.
Swung the ball through the air and off the pitch.
That ball to Gambhir was a corker too.
Something to work with.
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Starc Bowls 1 over and gets a wicket, then taken off.
Comes back on and gets a wicket first ball. Tendulker gone.
India now keen on DRS? It may have been sliding down leg. I think it was an excellent call ;)
Wouldnt matter as it hit anyway.
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Great start to starcs second spell to get tendulkar
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Holy mother of God!
That was one hell of a swinger from Starc that has trapped Tendulkar.
The boy has 2 for 1 now.
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Sachin's quest for 100 hundreds goes on. Does anyone else think its becoming a slight burden on the whole team?
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Sachin's quest for 100 hundreds goes on. Does anyone else think its becoming a slight burden on the whole team?
Yes.
He may get it in the ODI's though.
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Laxmans miserable tour continues.
Australia barely swung a ball all last summer - what the hell happened for this massive turn around?
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all of a sudden even the indian fanboys are kicking up (comments section):-
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/549179.html[/url]
All through england and australia they've been deluding themselves but it seems to have kicked off big time now.
lol:
'This Indian side is one of the poorest I have ever seen. Zimbabwe would smash this team. Grade-esque cricketers like Kohli, Gahmbir and Tendulkar are walking wickets and when you have the #1 attack like Oz do, they're going to take them. Harris was bowling wonderfully too. Really shows up how bad England's win was. We are crushing them twice as bad. Australia - what a team!'
You think the Indians are delusional lol?
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Yes.
He may get it in the ODI's though.
Im sure Sachin will get it in the ODIs and can call time on a great career.
India can then move onwards and forwards
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lol:
'This Indian side is one of the poorest I have ever seen. Zimbabwe would smash this team. Grade-esque cricketers like Kohli, Gahmbir and Tendulkar are walking wickets and when you have the #1 attack like Oz do, they're going to take them. Harris was bowling wonderfully too. Really shows up how bad England's win was. We are crushing them twice as bad. Australia - what a team!'
You think the Indians are delusional lol?
No offence, but that looks like someone taking the piss after having to put up with a year of English gloating on a level that would make any self respecting Aussie puke. :)
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Laxmans miserable tour continues.
Australia barely swung a ball all last summer - what the hell happened for this massive turn around?
2 words Vic - Craig Mcdermott... he has the Aussies pitching the ball up and keeping the seam upright which is working beautifully
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Channel 9 are back to their aspirin-inducing best.
Australia = on the right track
India = sh!thouse
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Starc produces a nasty delivery that removes Gambhir.
Maybe I underestimated Starc?
A brute of a ball.
Mitchell Johnson looks a world beater in Perth...
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2 words Vic - Craig Mcdermott... he has the Aussies pitching the ball up and keeping the seam upright which is working beautifully
That and it's at Perth, which is the only venue the aussies swung it in the ashes. Wasn't alot of swing in the first 2 matches unless you count roundarm Hilfie.
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That and it's at Perth, which is the only venue the aussies swung it in the ashes. Wasn't alot of swing in the first 2 matches unless you count roundarm Hilfie.
India's practice bowler you mean? Oh hang on How many wickets does he have so far?
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Tendulkar is still by far the best indian batsman. Hes still got at least 2 more years in him. If you see his dismissals over the past year, hes not getting out to bad shots, just great deliveries, nothing anybody can do that. He has got sound technique.
Laxman needs to have one more series at home, score a load of runs and then retire with grace, abit like what Ganguly done. Rohit Sharma slides into the number 4 spot and tell him you are there for 10 test matches, now show us your stuff.
Kohli is class, he will come good.
As for Dravid, he needs to continue for another year or so until a suitable replacement can be groomed.
Gavasker as head of selectors
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India's practice bowler you mean? Oh hang on How many wickets does he have so far?
As Siddle himself said, bowl 5/6 stump at the Indians and they don't like to leave it. That's why Hilfie is taking more wickets. Trott and Cook would leave him all day and force him to bowl to straight.
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As Siddle himself said, bowl 5/6 stump at the Indians and they don't like to leave it. That's why Hilfie is taking more wickets. Trott and Cook would leave him all day and force him to bowl to straight.
Well if they are bowling 5/6 stump because the Indian's don't like to leave, well that tells you that they have plans for teams and therefore wouldn't bowl that line to Strauss and Cook, ;)
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Hillfenhause is bowling much better now, compared to how he went in the ashes. However, the Indians are no where near as good/as tough as England are atm, so hard to know for sure. Would have been good if he played in SA.
One thing that is bugging me is that the commentators are saying he has got his pace back, but I've watched highlights and replay's of last years ashes, and he is bowling the bloody same pace now as he was then. So don't know what they are on about.
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Hillfenhause is bowling much better now, compared to how he went in the ashes. However, the Indians are no where near as good/as tough as England are atm, so hard to know for sure. Would have been good if he played in SA.
One thing that is bugging me is that the commentators are saying he has got his pace back, but I've watched highlights and replay's of last years ashes, and he is bowling the bloody same pace now as he was then. So don't know what they are on about.
They're Aussie commentators mate, no offence but I've watched a lot, and some of them make Botham look neutral...
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Ha ha...another innings defeat looming; one can only get philosophical at this moment :-[
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Epic defeat!! Well played Australia!! Not even 2 and a half days........ha ha ...lol!!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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I would be inclined to retain 4 quicks, I know you 'need' a spinner in Adelaide, but the pacers have the Indians measure, bringing Lyon back will let them off in my opinion.
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Ganguly's comment after the game, paraphrased:
The ranking of number 1 was not correct. India's performance overseas has not been great the last few years. India, as usual, had been doing well in the subcontinent. I have said before, will say again, a true number 1 is numero uno overseas as well. India has not been that the last few years. Hopefully everyone will realize it and when the team starts winning again in the subcontinent after they return, people will not lose sight of the above fact.
I agree with Ganguly and I think any sane Indian supporter (including me) will have the same opinion. The above comment again was just a summary and might appear elsewhere in the near future; I just hope BCCI and some others do not take it in the wrong way as it really makes a lot of sense.
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I really wasn't expecting this series to be so one sided!
the Indian batting has again been terrible.
will this be the end for vvs?
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It's amazing what confidence can do, the English have a few players that were distinctly average for years before the team started going well, and it brought them along.
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I really wasn't expecting this series to be so one sided!
the Indian batting has again been terrible.
Exactly.
To be honest, the way how Australia was before the series I was expecting India to clean sweep Australia.
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Well this has been an epic thread thus far.
So has been the Indian performance down under--- epic, only in the negative sense.
I just wish the rebuilding will start soon. You cannot expect a full fledged change in all parts of the batting but youngsters need to be given a decent run. Two new players in place of two old, for ten games. Then a few more changes. It will be tough and a lot of strong decisions need to be made starting with the BCCI scheduling a more thought out playing program for the team, specially keeping in mind the importance of Test Matches above any and all other forms of the game.
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And Laxman is retiring...
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Still remember the 281 as if it was yesterday--- I was in the ground watching the innings on the fourth day at good old Eden Gardens---- a memory I will never forget!!
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And Laxman is retiring...
Where have you got that from?!
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Warner scored more in one innings than India did in either innings......some batsman
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Dhoni banned for adelaide test, Laxman should go as well, he is looking very old in the field.
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Exactly.
To be honest, the way how Australia was before the series I was expecting India to clean sweep Australia.
Don't worry CD...you are not alone.
The Indian media predicted 4-0.
Yuvraj Singh predicted also that India would win 4-0 with "Dhoni washing his clothes with the Australians".
Confidence was not in short supply.
Of course if you can be bothered finding Hads45 delusional post in this thread where he made many sweeping predictions (none of which have come true) and was defended by some on here, you will come to realise that these demented delusions weren't just festering in India, but in England too.
Hads has been thoughtful enough to make himself invisable since he realised that he was delsuional and in need of psychiatric help...and that India were not going to win the series 4-0...or win the series at all by any margin.
India will surely win a series in Australia one day, but it wasn't going to be with this classy, but aged and flawed team.
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It does make the 2013 ashes series look like a very tasty prospect - Australia are showing some promise and will surely be more competitive than last time around - will England continue to improve or will there be a typical English implosion?
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It does make the 2013 ashes series look like a very tasty prospect - Australia are showing some promise and will surely be more competitive than last time around - will England continue to improve or will there be a typical English implosion?
You can relax Johnny.
Australia still has an unsettled top six. No chance that it will be bedded down by 2013.
For a start, Ponting and Hussey will not be there.
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Form can be a fickle thing though.
The new look Australian opening pair look good, which will allow Watson to bat at 6, and Clarke is a class act at 5.
So you only really need 2 batsmen to fill 3 and 4 - there may be an undiscovered talent out there, or one of the current crop e.g. Marsh, Khawaja, ferguson? might come good and have an extended purple patch, and even then if only 5 contribute you can afford to carry a 6th a la Paul Colingwood
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Why is Dhoni banned?
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Why is Dhoni banned?
Slow over rate I think.
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You can relax Johnny.
Australia still has an unsettled top six. No chance that it will be bedded down by 2013.
For a start, Ponting and Hussey will not be there.
Don't bet on it, both want a final crack at the poms and as long as they are travelling ok will be there.
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Don't bet on it, both want a final crack at the poms and as long as they are travelling ok will be there.
I have no doubt that they both want that - but BB, is it really in the best interests of Oz cricket?
Can we afford to keep both and not blood some young guys to strengthen the batting order for the not too distant future?
I love them both (Hussey especially), but I am not sure that keeping both until 2013 is such a good idea.
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I have no doubt that they both want that - but BB, is it really in the best interests of Oz cricket?
Can we afford to keep both and not blood some young guys to strengthen the batting order for the not too distant future?
I love them both (Hussey especially), but I am not sure that keeping both until 2013 is such a good idea.
Especially when there are back-to-back ashes series.
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Surely it's time for him to go. He himself admits to feeling physically and mentally drained. There is absolutely no reason for him to stay if he feels that way, he is only hurting his reputation and the future Australian keeper:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/550035.html
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/cricket/brad-haddin-admits-hes-feeling-the-strain-as-pressure-mounts-on-the-australian-wicketkeeper-to-keep-his-test-spot/story-fn67w6pa-1226247980956
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Who comes in though Langer? Paine may not play again and from the Aus stuff I've watched on Youtube, Wade can't catch either.
Hartley?
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Who comes in though Langer? Paine may not play again and from the Aus stuff I've watched on Youtube, Wade can't catch either.
Hartley?
If Haddin is going to drop catches and not score runs, then there is no point in him being there. They may as well give a younger player the gloves so they can develop prior to the next ashes series.
Wade is the obvious choice. He is a solid bat, and a good keeper. He is actually better than Paine with the bat and gloves:
Wade: 2490 @ 40.16 over 74 innings in 50 matches. Strike rate of 49.51. 4 centuries (117*) and 17 half-centuries.
Paine: 2467 @ 31.62 over 84 innings in 46 matches. Strike rate of 44.01. 1 century (215) and 18 half-centuries.
Wade: 183 catches and 5 stumpings - 50 matches
Paine: 136 catches and 6 stumpings - 46 matches
Wade has also been very good this year, with 369 runs from 7 innings at an average of 61.50 and a strike rate of 49.13 this season, so not overly aggressive either. Paine hasn’t played any cricket in a year or so now.
So Wade is a better batsmen and a better keeper, he is also younger at 24 (Paine 27) and injury free. Seems a no-brainer to me.
Hartley is the best keeper imo, but he hasn't scored many runs at FC level for the last 2 seasons now, after he scored 750 odd 3 seasons ago. In saying that though, he has been dominating grade cricket this season while the Bulls aren’t playing, so not long until that comes out when he plays for the Bulls.
http://mycricket.cricket.com.au/common/pages/public/rv/cricket/viewplayer.aspx?entityid=960&save=0&playerid=469834&locx=PLY&seasonid=79&eid=960
He is 2nd overall too:
http://mycricket.cricket.com.au/common/pages/public/rv/cricket/battingav.aspx?entityid=12832&save=0&id=CBA
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The other options is Peter Nevill from NSW:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia/content/player/6973.html
He has really improved this season, 472 in 11 innings @ 67.42, which has improved his average from 39.53 to 49.3. He would also be a very good choice.
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Surely the NSW bit makes him favourite?
I think the selectors are waiting to see if Paine recovers before Haddin is given his Baggy Green (TM) carriage clock.
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Surely the NSW bit makes him favourite?
I think the selectors are waiting to see if Paine recovers before Haddin is given his Baggy Green (TM) carriage clock.
Lol, indeed. NSW seems to = Australia these days.
Paine needed more surgery on his finger in Decemmber as it didn't heal properly. So he is out for another 3-4 months.
He has been out of the game for a long time now.
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http://blogs.espncricinfo.com/sadisthour/archives/2011/12/what_if_australia_had_picked_p.php
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I want to see if Sehwag will be a braver captain than Dhoni. Dhoni mentioned that India will retire off the old mans squad following the final Test. With Sehwag at the helm, it would be the perfect time to pension of Laxman. They have been singing Rohit Sharma's praises for ever, yet they won't select him. Bizzare. I personally think that Gambhir, Laxman and Vinay Kunar should be axed. Rahane should open with Sehwag. Sharma for Laxman and Ashwin for Kumar. What where India thinking play 4 seamers at Perth? Saha for Dhoni is a cert.
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Just realized the game has started; talk about a one-sided series and how we are losing interest..... :(
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Warner gone already :(
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Marshmellow gone as well. I wonder why he was picked again? I am sure there are better replacements??
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Marsh has definately got talent, but i think he needs to play himself back into form in domestic cricket before he plays tests
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Saha already looks better than Dhoni lol can he bat?
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He averages a little over 40 in first class cricket; I have seen him bat in the past and is quite handy down the order. He is admittedly a better keeper than Dhoni.
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and the world was asking for Ponting to call it a day??? :D
Gotta love a fighter, what a legend.
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Caught the first 30 mins or so. Marsh was awful, doesn't bring his bat down straight and was very lucky not to be lbw early on. Must be better players than him? Warner had a brain fart and walked across his stumps to a straight ball. Didn't see Cowan's wicket or the rest. Did Ashwin turn a ball eventually?
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Caught the first 30 mins or so. Marsh was awful, doesn't bring his bat down straight and was very lucky not to be lbw early on. Must be better players than him? Warner had a brain fart and walked across his stumps to a straight ball. Didn't see Cowan's wicket or the rest. Did Ashwin turn a ball eventually?
Marsh was really good in SL, and in the first game against SA, but then his back went. It didn't help that First Class cricket had been put on hold for the big bash league, so he was trying to find form in test matches, which isn't the place to be doing it. He will go back to FC cricket to try and have a strong finish to the season.
Cowan got beaten in flight, Ashwin tossed it up and cowan went to drive but it wasn't there and he hit it to laxman at a short cover, who took a very good low catch. Ashwin also bolwed in the first hour of play, so that was unusual.
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I've also noticed that the Australian's wearing the Ultimate 98 helmets, have grills that have yellow ear padding and the sticker 1977 on them. Wonder what that means?
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I also noticed that at the end of the first day's play Australia were 335/3 :( :( :(
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I've also noticed that the Australian's wearing the Ultimate 98 helmets, have grills that have yellow ear padding and the sticker 1977 on them. Wonder what that means?
http://www.albioncricket.com/about.html
Did a bit of searching on the Albion site and the only relevance to 1977 is that the company went into receivership that year?? Oh and that their CFO is some form
of knight and their marketing coordinator is bang tidy....
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Pretty boring this now, just watching Oz pile on run after run, I predict a declaration of 700-5!
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Pretty boring this now, just watching Oz pile on run after run, I predict a declaration of 700-5!
When England did this to Australia in the last test last year - I did not hear any complaints.
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Good wicket to bat on. Hope the Indian batsmen use the conditions to at least put a decent score on the board.
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200 for Clarke, well played
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Come-on Ricky get yours now......
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Great start for Spartan 329; I guess even more kids will be queuing up now to get their bats...lol
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Great start for Spartan 329; I guess even more kids will be queuing up now to get their bats...lol
His Spartan stickers actually look pretty good. The usual ones looks s##t.
Not a bad pay day either, $3million over 3 years.
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I actually fear for the next Ashes. Ah well, at least I'm not Indian :D
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Where is that coward Hads45?
Spineless wimp has kept away from this thread for a few weeks now.
He should have a close read of this:
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/550813.html
So much for "Hardly any Australians score centuries anymore" eh?
This series has been a run glut of the like I have to go back to the 1993 Ashes to compare...
Maybe my memory is playing tricks on me?
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I'm not sure you can read anything into any Australian (or for that matter English) performances against this current Indian team. There are county and state sides who would destroy them.....This Indian team are pretty much as bad as it is possible to be in Test cricket...the batsmen are past it and disinterested (probably all more interested in their next ipl contract) and the bowlers wouldn't look out of place on a village green...
As well as Australia and England played, it is becoming increasingly obvious that this is a dreadful Indian team.
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I'm not sure you can read anything into any Australian (or for that matter English) performances against this current Indian team. There are county and state sides who would destroy them.....This Indian team are pretty much as bad as it is possible to be in Test cricket...the batsmen are past it and disinterested (probably all more interested in their next ipl contract) and the bowlers wouldn't look out of place on a village green...
As well as Australia and England played, it is becoming increasingly obvious that this is a dreadful Indian team.
Absolutely.
It was obvious during last years English tour that the Indians had gone on a tour too far.
The series against the West Indies at home did little to dispel the feeling that India were on the edge of a cliff.
That is why I was staggered that Hads45 predicted that only would India would win down under (where they have never won), but that they would absolutely crush Australia.
When I refuted his suggestion with facts - other one eyed zealots on here defended him. They seem to have vanished as well.
Australia still hasn't turned the corner yet - we still have a lot of rebuilding to do - but the predictions that India we crush Australia this summer and that Australia would go into a Windies type decline of which there would be no resurfacing have both been proved to be idiotic to be generous.
As I wrote before this series, Australia regenerate faster than most.
We will not be a push over in next years Ashes - even if we still have much rebuilding to do before we will ever be near #1 again.
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Really glad to see Australia playing good upbeat cricket again. Such a shame that India have been so pitiful, I thought this was gonna be a decent series. Oh well, perhaps the Ashes will be a closer affair akin to 2005 and to a lesser extent 09, as opposed to the other poor one sided affairs in between. Pakistan appear to be on the up as well, just need for the Windies and New Zealand to continue showing buds of improvement, for India to hurry up and get rid of the old guard and blood some new talent which undoubtedly exists, and England to learn to play on the subcontinent and fast bouncy decks, and test cricket should look healthier and on a far more even keel. No matter how good the Aussi invincibles were Vic, it was pretty boring for everyone else..... and I doubt any team will get close to that leel of dominance again.
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To be fair though Vic, I was one who predicted a drawn series as I didn't think Australia's attack would ever be able to take 20 wickets. The fact that they have done it in every game so far proves to me how far India have fallen. I can't imagine the likes of Siddle or Hilfenhaus causing many other sides the problems they seem to have caused this awful Indian side....In Pattinson/Cummins/Starc there is definitely hope for the future but as this series draws to a close (It's been over for a while if we're honest!) I'm left with more questions than answers...
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What bat is Micheal clarke using now? Can't make out what make it is.
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Ah found out its a small company in sydney called spartan sporting goods.
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Ah found out its a small company in sydney called spartan sporting goods.
Still using Slazenger softs tho lol
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yeah noticed haha
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I bet you it is still a slazenger but with those spartan labels on them
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If it was a slazenger in the first place
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Kinda presumed slazenger wouldn't take the bats of him when the contract ran out lol
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I mean if the bats he used whilst sponsored by slazenger and had slazenger stickers were actually slazengers
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oh yeah good point lol
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Are India the biggest laughing stock in world cricket? This is a serious question.
Michael Clarke was exposed by England last winter, yet the Indians are thick and keep feeding him on his pads. This guy would never score 329 or 210 against England.
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Ah found out its a small company in sydney called spartan sporting goods.
Lol, deffinately not small, they are paying him $3million over 3 years. They are new to the cricket market, but they make rugby gear and padding for boxing/mma
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Are India the biggest laughing stock in world cricket? This is a serious question.
Michael Clarke was exposed by England last winter, yet the Indians are thick and keep feeding him on his pads. This guy would never score 329 or 210 against England.
India are no good atm, there strike bowler is constantly in the mid 120' in Kahn, but Yadav look pretty good.
Clarke had a terrible summer last year, but he has got his form back and is making the most of it, and since becoming captain he is getting big scores, although it seems to me that he is either going big or getting nothing, so he will want to work on that. He has scored 6 hundreds in 12 tests as captain. He also scored a brilliant 151 against SA and a nice 139 against NZ at the gabba.
At the end of the day though you can only play what's in front of you, and he stills has to score the runs.
If you discredit Clarke's runs, then you have to discredit the England batsmens runs too.
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India are no good atm, there strike bowler is constantly in the mid 120' in Kahn, but Yadav look pretty good.
Clarke had a terrible summer last year, but he has got his form back and is making the most of it, and since becoming captain he is getting big scores, although it seems to me that he is either going big or getting nothing, so he will want to work on that. He has scored 6 hundreds in 12 tests as captain. He also scored a brilliant 151 against SA and a nice 139 against NZ at the gabba.
At the end of the day though you can only play what's in front of you, and he stills has to score the runs.
If you discredit Clarke's runs, then you have to discredit the England batsmens runs too.
I'm not English Langer17, I'm South African.
Whilst I agree you can only score runs against the opposition set against you, India don't seem to have a clue. Look at the Australian bowlers. They've attacked the stumps, dravid's been clean bowled 6 times in 7 digs. Indian bowlers are often too short in length or too full. More so they bowl like a 6th stump line, giving Warner, Clarke and Punter freedom to smash the ball.
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Clarke has a test average of almost 50 after 80 tests -
Among Australian batsmen who have played as many Tests as Clarke's 80, only four boast a career batting average above 50 - Greg Chappell, Ponting, Matthew Hayden and Allan Border. (the Don only played 52 or something tests)
Clarke is an absolute class batsman and no one can discredit his runs - especially not those against SA and NZ recently.
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Following on my point about Clarke, everyone in world cricket knows his weaknesses are the short ball and problems around a 4th stump line around off pole. I guess India miss P Kumar's accuracy.
another issue they have is Ishant Sharma. 130 odd wickets at 38. This is damn right dreadful. His one spell against Punter at Perth in 2008 seems to have made him unstoppable.
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Clarke has a test average of almost 50 after 80 tests -
Among Australian batsmen who have played as many Tests as Clarke's 80, only four boast a career batting average above 50 - Greg Chappell, Ponting, Matthew Hayden and Allan Border. (the Don only played 52 or something tests)
Clarke is an absolute class batsman and no one can discredit his runs - especially not those against SA and NZ recently.
Clarke is a runs or bust guy Mr Buzz. After his 151 against us, the 3 other innings yielded 15 runs.
Same again NZ. His 139 was very lucky. Dropped twice, both dollies and bowled of a no ball. Following 2 innings yielded 22 and 0.
Clarke has never been very consistent.
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Following on my point about Clarke, everyone in world cricket knows his weaknesses are the short ball and problems around a 4th stump line around off pole.
most batsmen have issues with this - that is why it is called the corridor of uncertainty...
Basket Case - you may be right - not sure what else to say about that, I haven't followed him that closely - other than he has been pretty consistent since becoming captain.
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most batsmen have issues with this - that is why it is called the corridor of uncertainty...
Basket Case - you may be right - not sure what else to say about that, I haven't followed him that closely - other than he has been pretty consistent since becoming captain.
In terms of pure consistency I put players like Kallis, Trott, Cook etc. until recently Tendulkar as well. They get middling scores like 40s - 60s even when not playing well.
Clarke is similar to Shewag. Big hundreds or lots of scores between 0-20
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I think Sachin has averaged more than 40 since his last ton - so I would say he is pretty consitent given the pressure on him...
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I do rate Clarke and he looked better that Ponting in the middle for his big score yesterday.
Obviously he'd struggle more against the likes of England as compared to the weaker Indian bowling attack. But he hit some great runs against SA and their attack is very good, so he is extremely capable to say the least!
Last time against England he didn't look good at all, but I suspect that his form and confidence are a lot higher now than they were back then!
The biggest issue that the Aussies have after the last couple of Tests is what to do about Ponting and Hussey!
I feel it would have been better if Ponting had of played badly, but as he looks on better form now the selectors may not see the need to try other players in that spot! I could see Ponting actually still playing International Test cricket and retiring after 2013!! But is that a good thing?
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I think Sachin has averaged more than 40 since his last ton - so I would say he is pretty consitent given the pressure on him...
Yes granted but in 2010 he averaged like 60-70, so he's in a decline of sorts.
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I do rate Clarke and he looked better that Ponting in the middle for his big score yesterday.
Obviously he'd struggle more against the likes of England as compared to the weaker Indian bowling attack. But he hit some great runs against SA and their attack is very good, so he is extremely capable to say the least!
Last time against England he didn't look good at all, but I suspect that his form and confidence are a lot higher now than they were back then!
The biggest issue that the Aussies have after the last couple of Tests is what to do about Ponting and Hussey!
I feel it would have been better if Ponting had of played badly, but as he looks on better form now the selectors may not see the need to try other players in that spot! I could see Ponting actually still playing International Test cricket and retiring after 2013!! But is that a good thing?
There's 3 players I'd think are likely to return in the future. Watson, Khawaja and Hughes.
I think Watson will bat at 6 in the future. I think Shaun Marsh will be dropped and Khawaja will replace him.
I think when Ponting does retire, then Cowan could move down to 3 so Hughes can open with Warner.
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i think Watson should be at 6 too, but I doubt it will happen.
I don't think Hughes is good enough having said that, he is very young and could spend 5 seasons sorting out his technique and then he would still be young enough to have a big test career.
Please can one of the Aussies say why no-one has every told him how to hold the bat??? :o
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i think Watson should be at 6 too, but I doubt it will happen.
I don't think Hughes is good enough having said that, he is very young and could spend 5 seasons sorting out his technique and then he would still be young enough to have a big test career.
Please can one of the Aussies say why no-one has every told him how to hold the bat??? :o
Phillip Hughes is a funny one. Run machine at Shield level. Averages close to 55 in the Shield, so can't be a bad player. Still think he's better than Shaun Marsh though.
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Watson would be brilliant at 6 - excellent all-rounder! And I agree that Hughes is not good enough!!
I think Khawaja has a future too, as well as the batch of new fast bowlers who look very good indeed. Whenever I've seen Cummins I've been extremely impressed.
It's funny but from a Brit point of view I normally judge an Aussie by how much I want them to play!
For example I'm more than happy for Hugues to play as he is rarely a danger and his technique is soon exposed 99% of the time...and the same with Marsh.
I always preferred Katich not to play as he looked like a better batsman!!
So what are the guesses for when the selectors will start these changes?
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Watson would be brilliant at 6 - excellent all-rounder! And I agree that Hughes is not good enough!!
I think Khawaja has a future too, as well as the batch of new fast bowlers who look very good indeed. Whenever I've seen Cummins I've been extremely impressed.
It's funny but from a Brit point of view I normally judge an Aussie by how much I want them to play!
For example I'm more than happy for Hugues to play as he is rarely a danger and his technique is soon exposed 99% of the time...and the same with Marsh.
I always preferred Katich not to play as he looked like a better batsman!!
So what are the guesses for when the selectors will start these changes?
I'd guess that Hussey will go after the tour of the West Indies. I think Punter will certainly play in the 2013 Ashes series. And possibly the return series in 2013-14 as well.
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I'd also say, whether you like or dislike the Indians, it's the last time you will see Dravid, Laxman, Tendulkar and possibly Khan. They don't play another Test until October. An end of an era.
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While India is sure to go down again in this test as well, but one of the better if not the best partnership of the series has come between two youngsters. I think the selectors should at least pay a little fu****g attention to this. Youngsters do not have too much excess baggage in their heads and it is time they are given a fair run. Laxman again failed. I dunno why Rohit Sharma did not get a go. This is just too much!! >:( >:( :( :( >:( >:(
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First hundred by an Indian batsman in the series...lol; well played Kohli though the team is looking at another innings defeat. I just hope the BCCI will not forget this drubbing soon for India's sake.
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Another duck for Shaun Marsh. He is now gone from the team for a little while.
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On replay, Marsh was hit well outside the off stump, oh dear.
Cowan gone now too. Ashwin opened and is bowling really well.
The pitch looks like it is starting to bite a bit, so India will have to deal with the worst of it.
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Dont worry even if Australia got all out for under 100 they will win comfortably. And as far as the pitch is concerned it really does not matter on what surface the Indian batsmen play---they will still fail.
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Marsh may have been unlucky this time, but he is obviously very short on confidence and needs to get that. And he's unlikely to get confidence and get back on decent form at International level.
I'd tend to bring in Khawaja at 3 really?
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I think India should voluntarily give up their test playing nation status.
They anyways do not play many tests and the ones they play, they are like a joke (at least overseas).
Good thing is the next test series is a good 7-8 months away and we may not see the vetrans.
Bad thing is that the youngsters coming into the team will have no test experience.
As request to MSD and BCCI, please don't get Raina in the test side. Gamble with Sehwag alone is too much.
Look forward to Rohit Sharma, Pujara, Rahane and Irfan Pathan making a comeback.
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Just to add BCCI plaese ignore Vinay Kumar as well.
MSD please put your love for the nation before CSK in picking a team.
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Bit harsh Yash but hey it's a bad time for all Indian supporters!
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Bit harsh Yash but hey it's a bad time for all Indian supporters!
Well they have made a mockery of themselves and the selectors have not helped.
I am amazed why no changes were not made for the 4th test to give some younger guys like Rohit Sharma a taste of test match cricket.
Also given the decent performance Irfan Pathan put in the series with WI, he was not picked instead of Vinay Kumar. He is a better swing bowler and a better bat.
Also the squad / team selection raises a lot of questions on the selection policy and MSD's more favourable approach to some cricketers (like Raina, Vinay Kumar etc.)
Problem is not the lack of talent. The problem is short-term views, lack of grooming and personal egos being put ahead of anything else.
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Saha looks a much better keeper than Dohni does.
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Well they have made a mockery of themselves and the selectors have not helped.
I am amazed why no changes were not made for the 4th test to give some younger guys like Rohit Sharma a taste of test match cricket.
Also given the decent performance Irfan Pathan put in the series with WI, he was not picked instead of Vinay Kumar. He is a better swing bowler and a better bat.
Also the squad / team selection raises a lot of questions on the selection policy and MSD's more favourable approach to some cricketers (like Raina, Vinay Kumar etc.)
Problem is not the lack of talent. The problem is short-term views, lack of grooming and personal egos being put ahead of anything else.
Spot on
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Think Virat Kohli has finally arrived as a Test player. In the long run I believe he should be the Indian Test captain, once the old man squad is retired off. Kohli was a fine captain at u19 level.
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Marsh may have been unlucky this time, but he is obviously very short on confidence and needs to get that. And he's unlikely to get confidence and get back on decent form at International level.
I'd tend to bring in Khawaja at 3 really?
That would be not a good idea, Marsh does need to find his mojo, but is far superior in tallent & technique to Usman. May be a moot point as Watson will need to squeeze in somewhere, #3 may be the spot.
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That would be not a good idea, Marsh does need to find his mojo, but is far superior in tallent & technique to Usman. May be a moot point as Watson will need to squeeze in somewhere, #3 may be the spot.
In 11 years of Shield cricket, Marsh has scores only 7 hundreds with an average below 40. Khawaja is more gifted and his Shield record is much superior, an average of 53.
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Think Virat Kohli has finally arrived as a Test player. In the long run I believe he should be the Indian Test captain, once the old man squad is retired off. Kohli was a fine captain at u19 level.
He's a very good player, I've always thought so, I enjoyed his batting. Indians desperately need to get Sharma into the batting order. Saha is a much better glove man than Dhoni, and a better technique also.
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In 11 years of Shield cricket, Marsh has scores only 7 hundreds with an average below 40. Khawaja is more gifted and his Shield record is much superior, an average of 53.
11 years goes back to his late teens, you're a joke if you compare
Marsh & Usman. I take it you have other motives. There's more to being a
Test player than your shield average.
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Top post by Yash, I was looking forward in seeing Rohit Sharma for 4th Test, I would have dropped VVS Laxman and brought Rohit Sharma. In my opinion there was nothing to lose if Sharma was played because its not that Laxman is scoring centuries after centuries so even a pair of Sharma would have not affected India much in my opinion.
I was expecting Zaheer Khan to do well on this tour but he didn't, hats of to Umesh Yadav despite his inconsistent bowling I would say that young man had a good series.
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11 years goes back to his late teens, you're a joke if you compare
Marsh & Usman. I take it you have other motives. There's more to being a
Test player than your shield average.
I find Usman to have a brilliant technique? No? The shots he plays are brilliant and his timing is superb as well!
Plus e41 is better than Evo :D :D
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11 years goes back to his late teens, you're a joke if you compare
Marsh & Usman. I take it you have other motives. There's more to being a
Test player than your shield average.
Playing well at state level is how you getted selected for the National side. Marsh is very inconsistent. Khawaja has proven, at state level, he's very consistent.
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Top post by Yash, I was looking forward in seeing Rohit Sharma for 4th Test, I would have dropped VVS Laxman and brought Rohit Sharma. In my opinion there was nothing to lose if Sharma was played because its not that Laxman is scoring centuries after centuries so even a pair of Sharma would have not affected India much in my opinion.
I was expecting Zaheer Khan to do well on this tour but he didn't, hats of to Umesh Yadav despite his inconsistent bowling I would say that young man had a good series.
India's next 6 Tests are against Sri Lanka away and New Zealand at home in 6-7 months time. If guys like Rohit, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane aren't all in the team for those 6 Tests it will be beyond a joke.
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I find Usman to have a brilliant technique? No? The shots he plays are brilliant and his timing is superb as well!
Plus e41 is better than Evo :D :D
Khawaja seems to bat differently in test cricket than he does in shield cricket. He is more aggressive when he plays shield, but he seems to go into his shell in test cricket.
He will get another crack as he got starts in almost all of his games, but just couldn't convert. His time will come.
Marsh will go back to Shield cricket for the rest of the year and look to finish the season very strongly.
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Think Virat Kohli has finally arrived as a Test player. In the long run I believe he should be the Indian Test captain, once the old man squad is retired off. Kohli was a fine captain at u19 level.
Cant see that happening. Think his attitude is poor. Seems quite arrogant
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There was a chap called Ganguly, most outside India hated him, but his will to win made him a respected captain around the world. Kohli is much in the same mould.
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Khawaja seems to bat differently in test cricket than he does in shield cricket. He is more aggressive when he plays shield, but he seems to go into his shell in test cricket.
He will get another crack as he got starts in almost all of his games, but just couldn't convert. His time will come.
Marsh will go back to Shield cricket for the rest of the year and look to finish the season very strongly.
Interesting, haven't seen Khawala bat in Shield but saw one of his century innings (it was ODI or T20 I think) and man was playing superbly loved his shots and timing.
Will watch out for his videos on YouTube of Shield batting.
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There was a chap called Ganguly, most outside India hated him, but his will to win made him a respected captain around the world. Kohli is much in the same mould.
Oh yeah he was amazing captain, I didn't like him but now when I look back I say he was amazing captain for India.
Shoaib Akhtar rates Ganguly extremely high as a captain.
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India's next 6 Tests are against Sri Lanka away and New Zealand at home in 6-7 months time. If guys like Rohit, Pujara, Kohli and Rahane aren't all in the team for those 6 Tests it will be beyond a joke.
Nah I don't know why i have a feeling they will stick with these oldies as against those sides on dead pitches they will score tons of runs and then they will stay in the side.
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There was a chap called Ganguly, most outside India hated him, but his will to win made him a respected captain around the world. Kohli is much in the same mould.
Kholi is very immature, bordering on being a (No Swearing Please) tbh.
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Nah I don't know why i have a feeling they will stick with these oldies as against those sides on dead pitches they will score tons of runs and then they will stay in the side.
Well I hope the Lankans make it 3 whitewashes in a row on the road if India are too stupid to make changes.
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Kholi is very immature, bordering on being a (No Swearing Please) tbh.
He reminds a young of Shane Watson...
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Playing well at state level is how you getted selected for the National side. Marsh is very inconsistent. Khawaja has proven, at state level, he's very consistent.
True, but khawaja has shown an inability to cope mentaly with test cricket, Marsh has scored a centuary.
As Langer said, both will have opportunity to step up in the near future.
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Well I hope the Lankans make it 3 whitewashes in a row on the road if India are too stupid to make changes.
Sri Lanka themselves at the moment probably can't win against there A team.
It is only SAngakarra in there team who is performing along Chandimal (somtimeS)
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He reminds a young of Shane Watson...
Nothing like him. You really have no idea. Kholi was so wrapped up in himself he celebrated after running a single to bring up his ton, despite 3 runs being on offer! An Australian would never pause to celebrate a personal milestone without maximizing the teams opportunity first.
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Despite Kohli is a good player he is serious attitude problems, guy is a moron really lol.
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I'm sure it'l come back to bite him on the (No Swearing Please) if he is as arrogant as you say, but as for celebrating a century - are the 2 runs he turned down likely to have any impact on the result of this match? Fair play to him, great knock from the highlights I saw
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Watson is probably the one Aussie that I would love to play for Eng and to me can give Aus so many options in the future with bowler combinations. Similar to what Eng could do when Flintoff was fit. Kholi come's across as most of the young indians do, a spoilt prince. If they acted like their king (sachin) they could be the best.
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I'm sure it'l come back to bite him on the (No Swearing Please) if he is as arrogant as you say, but as for celebrating a century - are the 2 runs he turned down likely to have any impact on the result of this match? Fair play to him, great knock from the highlights I saw
No doubt it was a brilliant knock but that guys attitude is really messed up, he needs to sort himself out really.
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I agree with you CD But at the same time I feel part of it was his age, his first trip to Aussies, Aus team sleding and India team's performance. I am pretty sure, he will mature up with time. I see him as India's future captain...
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I agree with you CD But at the same time I feel part of it was his age, his first trip to Aussies, Aus team sleding and India team's performance. I am pretty sure, he will mature up with time. I see him as India's future captain...
I hope he improves he is a talented batsman and a very talented player so I do hope he improves.
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Kohli is a great talent (like Rohit Sharma). However he is more outspoken and aggressive than Rohit Sharma.
He has been under tremendous pressure not only because he is playing his first test series abroad, but also from the player and crowd sledging (which is not very common while playing in India or most other countries). Also there was pressure on him as he was not getting much runs in this series (though no one in the team got any more, but it he is the new guy on the block).
Maybe the run he too for his century was a release point for all the pressures and thus momentarily over shadowed his cricketing sense (to run the 2 more).
This can happen with any cricketer and this in no way establishes that he is arrogant or selfish.
I think he is very KP like - appears to be arrogant and unapproachable but may well be quite the reverse as KP is.
I would not say he is or will be the next captain (I think it will be Sehwag) but he surely will lead India one day.
Also he is best not leading the current Indian team as there is a huge generation gap with the 3 grand dads (SRT, VVS and RSD) and 2 big daddies (Sehwag, Zaheer and MSD) in the team.
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Nah I don't know why i have a feeling they will stick with these oldies as against those sides on dead pitches they will score tons of runs and then they will stay in the side.
I think RSD and VVS will not be there. SRT is a question mark.
I would like to see, Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Irfan Pathan, Rahul Sharma, Pujara, Rohit Sharma, Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli form the cosre of the test side in the next test series
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I think RSD and VVS will not be there. SRT is a question mark.
I would like to see, Aaron, Umesh Yadav, Irfan Pathan, Rahul Sharma, Pujara, Rohit Sharma, Sehwag, Gambhir, Kohli form the cosre of the test side in the next test series
Hmm I'd also draft Manoj Tiwary saw him in IPL and the guy was solid player.
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From the cricket i've seen Rohit Sharma looks a beter player than Kohli
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Arrogance is good if you can back it up. KP has it and can, and Kholi looks very very talented.
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He can give it but cant take it by the looks of it
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/current/story/551028.html
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As per usual they have short memories. Remember back to England's 1 day series in India when the little fat lad was being abused by the fans and players when he came onto bat.
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Had a read of the comments on cricinfo re Kohli, talk about hypocritical. Kohli, Gambhir, Khan, are amongst the biggest sledgers in the game yet cry when it's returned, mouth off all you like, it dosen't matter to quality players ,but don't whinge about it being returned, it is only done to get a bite , ignoring it is the best action. The comments about waiting till aussies come to India ammuse me too, Gambhir is an opening batsmen yet hates bounce and the ball coming on to the bat, the one position you should relish it. Both players are representative of indian cricket culture, player first team second ( barring dravid )
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Arrogance is good if you can back it up. KP has it and can, and Kholi looks very very talented.
But KP can take it and doesn't go crying to anyone if he gets his nose bloodied, these Indians dish it out but can't hack it coming back, usual stuff we've come to expect.
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Is Usman Khawaja going to get a look in now that Marsh cant buy a run ???????
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Kohli makes some fair points. Sledging is part of the game on the field as long is doesn't go too far though, and if you're going to give some you HAVE to accept it back. Simple.
However crowds world wide should not be abusing the players... Individuals in Australian crowds do take this too far sometimes from what I have seen and experienced.
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Kholi has acted like such a DH he deserves what he gets. Why single Aussie crowds, its the same everywhere, worst in UK. At least out crowds don't have to be contained behind fences like animals so perhaps there's a real threat elsewhere, not in Australia. If you don't like what the crowd says, easiest is to ignore it, if you react like an AH you'll get heaps. Pietersen cops heaps and he makes fun with it.
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Are India the biggest laughing stock in world cricket? This is a serious question.
Michael Clarke was exposed by England last winter, yet the Indians are thick and keep feeding him on his pads. This guy would never score 329 or 210 against England.
Michael Clarke wasn't exposed by England last summer - he had a very bad back problem which badly hampered his movements at the crease.
Go back and watch the DVD of the series, he was a near cripple.
Clarke has torched the English attack enough times for them to never be really certain that they have a hold on him.
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Clarke has torched the English attack enough times for them to never be really certain that they have a hold on him.
When?
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When?
2009 Ashes - http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/batting/most_runs_career.html?id=4249;type=series
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Clarke made two centuries in the 2006/07 Ashes series as well.
If you want a real Ashes failure, you need not look any further than Ian Bell whose Ashes career has spanned the exact same tests as Clarkes.
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Clarke made two centuries in the 2006/07 Ashes series as well.
If you want a real Ashes failure, you need not look any further than Ian Bell whose Ashes career has spanned the exact same tests as Clarkes.
Or Marcus North, whose career has been ended by his inability to play Graeme Swann
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Or Marcus North, whose career has been ended by his inability to play Graeme Swann
He couldn't handle anyone in the end.
He still made two centuries and a 96 in the 2009 Ashes - where was Swann then?
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He was busy picking up the Urn
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He was busy picking up the Urn
you do realise you're only baby sitting it for us don't you?
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Who are the loyal Australians commentating of this game?
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Clarke made two centuries in the 2006/07 Ashes series as well.
If you want a real Ashes failure, you need not look any further than Ian Bell whose Ashes career has spanned the exact same tests as Clarkes.
Haha, are those rose tinted specs you wear for prescription purposes. If not they must really hurt your eyes!!
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Clarke made two centuries in the 2006/07 Ashes series as well.
If you want a real Ashes failure, you need not look any further than Ian Bell whose Ashes career has spanned the exact same tests as Clarkes.
Ian Bell disgrace:-
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/9062.html?class=1;opposition=2;template=results;type=allround
Avg 32 and improving if you look at the last couple of years
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Clarke's record against England is very good:
http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4578.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
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Clarke's record against England is very good:
[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/4578.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting[/url]
Clarke is a class act for sure, possibly time to start moving up the order & prove himself in the top 3 or 4. If he's successful at this he can be included in the bracket of world greats like Kallis, Dravid, Lara, Ponting who have all done this. Love watching Clarke bat especially against spin. I've a feeling he wouldnt have any problems against Ajmal.
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you do realise you're only baby sitting it for us don't you?
Until you find some cricketers you mean?
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Until you find some cricketers you mean?
That's it, keep talking it up
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Relax guys, England should still be too good in 2013.
The fact still remains though, that it took Bell until his 20th Ashes test (a dead rubber too) to register a century, and even then, he was out before he made 50 but was reprieved by a faulty hot spot (though snicko later confirmed he did indeed edge the ball).
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Relax guys, England should still be too good in 2013.
The fact still remains though, that it took Bell until his 20th Ashes test (a dead rubber too) to register a century, and even then, he was out before he made 50 but was reprieved by a faulty hot spot (though snicko later confirmed he did indeed edge the ball).
In regards to snicko, I still don't understand why they don't use that as part of the DRS.
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In regards to snicko, I still don't understand why they don't use that as part of the DRS.
Takes too long apparently
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"It takes up to nine minutes for snicko to be ready for use, that length of time is not suitable for the temperament of a test match"
From Haroon Lorgat, head of the ICC
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"It takes up to nine minutes for snicko to be ready for use, that length of time is not suitable for the temperament of a test match"
From Haroon Lorgat, head of the ICC
Ahh, okay.
I always though replay's show it pretty quickly, but evidently not
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On to the T-20's now - Brad Hogg was named in the Australian squad to play against India after a solid Big Bash league. Not a bad effort if you ask me. Him being recalled has meant that Steve Smith is not in the team, and has pretty much been paid an astronomical amount to not play any cricket for Australia over the last year. What a joke.
What I don't agree with is George Bailey being named captain, after he only scored 114 runs at 19 during the whole tournament. The captain should have either been Warner or Hussey, but oh well.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/story/550527.html
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Its such a pity the series was not a closer fought contest. Would like to have seen the 100th ton scored.
But thanks go to the boys down under as SA are now number 2 and this summer in england is looking like it will be a cracker.
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On to the T-20's now - Brad Hogg was named in the Australian squad to play against India after a solid Big Bash league. Not a bad effort if you ask me. Him being recalled has meant that Steve Smith is not in the team, and has pretty much been paid an astronomical amount to not play any cricket for Australia over the last year. What a joke.
What I don't agree with is George Bailey being named captain, after he only scored 114 runs at 19 during the whole tournament. The captain should have either been Warner or Hussey, but oh well.
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/australia-v-india-2011/content/story/550527.html[/url]
you're right Langer, it is a complete joke, let me guess he's a blue bagger right? (I know he plays for tassie)
the theory from Invers sounds reasonable - but picking a captain for his captaincy and otherwise he wouldnt earn his place in the side is stupid.
however in 2020, mostly only your top 5-6 batters get a hit so he may not be required beyond his supposed tactical genious.
he better get that right is all I say!
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on the test front, much improved
The bounty of fast bowlers is excellent, theyll be the best pace attack in the world shortly if they're not already.
i'm not sold on Lyon, though he did dismiss the big players in Adelaide, not much variety in his method though.
top order needs sorting - Warner is a game breaker, but he's a bit all or nothing at the moment, I think he's good enough to improve, though he has work to do playing spinners, opposition will end his career if he doesnt get better at that.
cowan is ok, pretty solid and occupioes the crease, a bit of a poor mans Katich. I like that he sets himself to occupy the crease, but at this stage he's not quite the class player that we need.
Marsh - obviously disappointing, we know he has the tallent and good judges believe he has the best technique of all out batsmen. I'm a believer and a fan, bit I think he needs to harden up.....quickly
middle order was brilliant, Clarke is the best in the world currently.
where does Watson come in?
at 3 to replace Marsh?
to open and replace Cowan?
should Clarke bat at 3 and Marsh at 5?
who do we have up our sleeve for when Ponting and Hussey retire (not that there's a huge rush on that)
I do like Ferguson but he's underperformed this year, I hope he gets back on track. What about a power hitter like Mitch Marsh.....he'll play before too long, maybe his growth should be expedited when there's a spot?
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I don't see India getting any better, well anytime soon, as the players are in mega denial. They say they were simply dissapointed in the series, not humiliated. I mean c'mon, losing 8 straight tests is a humiliating result in itself, but when they have been outplayed on every single day in those 8 tests, you should feel truely and utterly humiliated.
They keep bringing up their record in India. Gambhir even said that you aren't considered a good player/team unless you perform in India, which is bloody ridiculous, and would be the same as England/Australia/SA saying that teams are only good if they perform in each of the respective countries. Judging by that logic, then the Indian players have been completely useless over their last 8 away tests.
Time for the Indian players to wake up to themselves, accepting their flaws is the first step in moving forward.
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http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=6;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;orderbyad=reverse;qualmax2=50;qualmin1=5;qualval1=innings;qualval2=runs;template=results;type=batting;view=series
Interesting
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steve smith has a bloody good agent.
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[url]http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?batting_positionmax1=6;batting_positionval1=batting_position;class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=runs;orderbyad=reverse;qualmax2=50;qualmin1=5;qualval1=innings;qualval2=runs;template=results;type=batting;view=series[/url]
Interesting
I like the prettiness of the picture, but not entirely sure what you're getting at?
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Shaun Marsh's series figures in a cricketing history sense. Second worst ever (5+ innings).
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Ah right :) thank you
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After a slow start in the first T-20, warner hits his first six right handed (Changed his grip to a righty grip), ball was pitched outside leg to the him as a leftie, lol. Followed it up with 4 6 2.
On a serious note, I like the switch hit, but I DO NOT agree with the changing of the hands, they should stay the same.
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i do agree with it! because being able to hit the ball for 6! with your wrong stance etc
is awesome skill!
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i do agree with it! because being able to hit the ball for 6! with your wrong stance etc
is awesome skill!
Yes, I agree it is awesome skill and I am all good with it if they maintain their natural grip set up. Keep their hands in the same spot and don't change them.
I love playing the reverse sweep personally.
Toe each their own though.
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Why is Wade not in the regular team? He looks quite good.
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Wade is blazing here...
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Bye Bye Haddin by the looks of it :D
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Bye Bye Haddin by the looks of it :D
He was a dead man walking in that as soon as Timmy Paine was fit, he would take over...but Matty Wade is doing everything right so far.
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He was using Kookaburra right up till the beginning of January, but started using puma a few weeks ago. Kookaburra would be spewing that they didn't offer him more money. Oh well, their loss is Puma's gain.
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Puma have a history in going for wicketkeepers who can bat a bit...
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Quick question for the Aussies on here. Whatever happened to Luke Ronchi? He made a few appearances and was never seen again
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His batting went to pot and he'd always been a member of the brass band when it came to keeping.
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George Bailey wasn't in any sort of form during the Big Bash, and it turns out that has transfered to his captaincy. Less than 5 overs to go, he send himself out instead of Mitch Marsh, what a bloody joke - Both by his selection and his decision.
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He has to make a statement Langer, and make a step towards proving himself.
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George Bailey wasn't in any sort of form during the Big Bash, and it turns out that has transfered to his captaincy. Less than 5 overs to go, he send himself out instead of Mitch Marsh, what a bloody joke.
200 was on if Mitch Marsh had come in and a bigger statement is being able to suss the situation out with a level head surely.
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He has to make a statement Langer, and make a step towards proving himself.
He has made a statement.... at how $hit he is.
If it had been the 10th over, fair enough, but under 5 overs to go and Mitch Marsh was very good during the Big Bash league and is a proven big hitter, where Bailey is not.
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Or, play a level-headed game that gives DHussey, who's in, the strike to blast off.
Rather than put pressure on a callow buck...
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George Bailey wasn't in any sort of form during the Big Bash, and it turns out that has transfered to his captaincy. Less than 5 overs to go, he send himself out instead of Mitch Marsh, what a bloody joke - Both by his selection and his decision.
I agree.
Utterly brainless.
Mitch Marsh is the master blaster in these situations.
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Or, play a level-headed game that gives DHussey, who's in, the strike to blast off.
Rather than put pressure on a callow buck...
The thing is he was trying to hit it, but he couldn't do anything.
It's done now, hopefully we bowl well and can come away with the win.
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George Bailey wasn't in any sort of form during the Big Bash, and it turns out that has transfered to his captaincy. Less than 5 overs to go, he send himself out instead of Mitch Marsh, what a bloody joke - Both by his selection and his decision.
Why are you getting worried Langer? You do realize that you are playing India right? So, just sit back, relax and enjoy another smooth victory.
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Rather than put pressure on a callow buck...
Ahemmm...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUauTNdsjR4
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His batting went to pot and he'd always been a member of the brass band when it came to keeping.
Ah fair enough. I just remember watching him a couple of times and then he just vanished. That explains it all though
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Why are you getting worried Langer? You do realize that you are playing India right? So, just sit back, relax and enjoy another smooth victory.
Lol, India looked 20 times better in the field today (except Sehwag, lol). They looked switched on and sharp.
I'm just spewing that with under 5 overs to go, and with a big hitter there in Marsh, Bailey sent himself in, which isn't very good captaincy tbh.
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I'm just saying that I can see the psychology of it. Bailey's T20 record is good, and Wade's Big Bash was hardly prolific...
<serious question> How is Mitch Marsh at playing spinners?
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Ahemmm...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUauTNdsjR4[/url]
I saw this, but having DHussey at the other end who plays the same way and is in, is a better situation than having James Pattinson at the other end.
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Lol, India looked 20 times better in the field today (except Sehwag, lol). They looked switched on and sharp.
I'm just spewing that with under 5 overs to go, and with a big hitter there in Marsh, Bailey sent himself in, which isn't very good captaincy tbh.
yeah, thought Bailey was supposed to be a tactical genius........epic fail coming in and poking around and leaving Mitch Marsh on the bench........
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Obviously knew they had enough already.
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You've got to give bailey a chance. Matty wade hit a great innings and set Aus up for a great score. After an innings like that if you send in more big hitters they could cause a collapse. Bailey went in to make sure that didn't happen.
Aus won thanks to good players and a GOOD captain.
It's his debut and he was captain. I think he did a good job 8)
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Did Marshmellow score another duck? :o
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Why did wade bat at 6????
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India seem to had found a few very promising players in the limited overs format. Jadeja seems to have improved out of sight since I last saw him play. Rahul Sharma looks to be a leg spinner in the Kumble mould. He seems to have very good control and has a cool head on his shoulders.
I think this squad should be considered for India's next series against Sri Lanka. The fielding has been so good, unlike the Test series.
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Why did wade bat at 6????
Australia always play to win but it's obvious this 2020 'series' was used to have a look at as many players as possible. Wade batted at 6 to give opportunity to Finch, who was doing well before being the first of 4 runouts. Good for India to win something, though I wouldn't read too much into it, but they do need to grasp onto anything positive for the sake of their own mind set.
Clearly I will be in the minority, but I don't think 2020 should be played by international teams but limited to domestic franchise tournaments such as IPL and BBL. it's great entertainment, gives exposure to many players, but it's not cricket.
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The 50 over tri series will give a better indication but there is a massive improvement already with the new faces coming in.
Its the best ive seen them field today and this made the difference.Dhoni,Sehwag and Gambhir are still essential in keeping the team going forward but a very positive vibe from the new faces. :)
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Did Marshmellow score another duck? :o
You obviously know the answer, so why post? He can't take a trick at the moment! He'll have to make a mountain of runs for WA to be considered for the upcoming windies tour.
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For the Aussies, do you feel as I do that the massive hype channel 9 have made about Warner has put the bloke in a position where he looks like he feels almost obliged to go for the miraculous every time he bats? I'm a fan (how could you not be) but the pregame promo clips, constant replays and comentator reference and even re enactment of the switch hit and even mic him up during practice to talk about it has been way too much. Channel 9 are clearly pumping it up for ratings, understandable, but I feel for Warner who has been used so much how could a young man possibly bat with a clear mind? I wish they
Would leave him be so he can just bat
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I will not read too much into this victory for India. They will need to do much more to make the fans feel better after a super awful performance thus far.
You obviously know the answer, so why post?
Because I wanted to.
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Was confusing that wade got 70 opening in the first t20 and was then put down the order i n the second one.
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Was confusing that wade got 70 opening in the first t20 and was then put down the order i n the second one.
see reply 1083 above, not overly confusing if you understand what the priorities for the aussies are, ie having a look at a number of players in different roles therefore to be in the best position to formulate the best combination for the 2020 world cup
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Because I wanted to.
fair enough, but your post didn't actually add anything, we all know he made a duck.
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fair enough, but your post didn't actually add anything, we all know he made a duck.
It is not necessary for every post to be overtly informative mate. Then half the posts in the forum will have have to be questioned and negated. :D
Cheers
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This Wade guy looks like a really good player. Another 50 in this rain shortened game.
A question for my Aussie friends--- what are the ticket prices like in these one-day games? Just asking out of curiosity. Someone was mentioning the high ticket prices in England a little while back; just checking what you guys have to say about the cost involved in watching these games.
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Agree! Wade is a clean hitter of the bowl! He is a great Wk/batsman. very impressive in the first few games...
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I am very impressed with Rahul Sharma.. good bowler..
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This Wade guy looks like a really good player. Another 50 in this rain shortened game.
A question for my Aussie friends--- what are the ticket prices like in these one-day games? Just asking out of curiosity. Someone was mentioning the high ticket prices in England a little while back; just checking what you guys have to say about the cost involved in watching these games.
These are the MCG prices and the rest of the venues would have similar prices depending on where you sit:
http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Tickets/~/media/Files/2011-12_ODIs_ticket_prices.pdf
The big problem is that food and drinks are ridiculously expensive. $5 for a bottle of water is obsurd
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Wade has looked good in his 3 games so far, and he has another 2 ODI's after this one before Haddin is even considered, so if he can score a hundred or continue with a couple of 50's in the next 2 games, then he cannot (logically) be dropped and Haddin wont come in, which is the best outcome.
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I am very impressed with Rahul Sharma.. good bowler..
I think he is tallest leg spinner ever to come out of India.
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These are the MCG prices and the rest of the venues would be similar:
[url]http://www.mcg.org.au/Events/Tickets/~/media/Files/2011-12_ODIs_ticket_prices.pdf[/url]
The big problem is that food and drinks are ridiculously expensive. $5 for a bottle of water is obsurd
Interesting. Thanks Langer. Food and drinks are just focking expensive in basically all the stadiums across the world.
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Wow! Jadeja figures aren't a pretty sight:
2.4 overs 0/41, economy of 15.37
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Why do the selectors keep going back to that clown Jadeja? Two no-balls from a spinner and the last one in the ultimate over and Hussey hits it for a six. This guy is super over-rated and now he is getting 2 million dollars in the IPL! The dude has some luck and has definitely videotaped one of the selectors with his extra-marital girlfriend >:( >:( >:( >:(
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don't forget.. he was a STAR in the lst T-20 game. I don't understand the all-rounder funda here.. If Jadeja is an all rounder then Raina, Rohit Sharma, Kohli are also all-rounders.. why do you need so many all rounders in the team.. Instead of Jadeja.. they can easily pick Rahane or Sehwag..
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No sane Indian supporter has ever been supportive of Jadeja's consistent selection.
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Didn't he just go for 2m in the IPL auction?
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Mindboggling eh?
It had to do with the fact that each team HAS to play 7 Indian players in their squad for any game. So the 'better' Indian players have been given premium contracts on a platter.
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It's certainley making some average cricketers very rich.
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India self-destructing once again. Kohli runs himself out in a bizarre run after he had just hit a six. Raina's and Dhoni's dismissals were high school boyish.....lol
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You would think that if he has a problem cramping up, he'd be better off going out trying to hit all balls for 6 rather than a suicidal run attempt against malingas leathal throw :)
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Did anyone notice that India won a game!! :o
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I noticed... :-(
Apart from the middle order, India lifted their game a lot... always happens against SL!!!
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I think with the current form of the two South Asian teams, Australia will have a field day in this tourney. What do you make of reinstating Mahela as the captain? I guess there were no other options too. I just hope it does not affect his batting; he is such a class act.
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I was always a fan of Mahela's captaincy, nice and aggressive for the most part but with a cool, calm authority about it... I prefer him to Sangakkara too.
But you're right Kaustav, him coming back now is more through lack of choice - and first and foremost he needs to command his place in the side as a batsman. I'm hoping he scores some runs soon. As a team Sri Lanka found some ODI form in the last two matches of the South Africa tour - and were slightly unlucky to lose the 3rd match.
Australia should comfortably win the tri-series - I guess I will have to wait and see whether it's worth going to watch the ODI in Sydney! As a fan all I can do is hope that they improve!
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I think with the current form of the two South Asian teams, Australia will have a field day in this tourney. What do you make of reinstating Mahela as the captain? I guess there were no other options too. I just hope it does not affect his batting; he is such a class act.
All I know is, is that Dilshan really struggled with the captaincy, so it's good that they have passed it on.
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I guess I will have to wait and see whether it's worth going to watch the ODI in Sydney! As a fan all I can do is hope that they improve!
You should go mate and bring us back some pics of the SCG :D
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Interesting to see that Peter Forrest will dayboo for Oz tomorrow.
Strange selection - can't see what he's got over Callum Ferguson other than MC's his mate on Facebook....
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Interesting to see that Peter Forrest will dayboo for Oz tomorrow.
Strange selection - can't see what he's got over Callum Ferguson other than MC's his mate on Facebook....
Forrest was the leading runs scorer in the Shield and he had a good big bash league. His domestic ODI started off well with a 70 odd, but he hasn't done much since, scoring like 190 odd and averaging 26.
Selectors ignored the domestic ODI comp, as none of the top 12 batsmen got in to the team. FC cricket seemed to be what they judged it on.
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They are keen to give Forrest a run at international level prior to the West Indies series in April. If he goes well he will more than likely be in the Australian test squad.
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Angelo Matthews' heroics fall just a little short. Good game for the neutrals.
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Who said that the Aussie bench strength is no longer that great? I know they are playing India..lol...but come on--- this Forrest dude too looked quite good.
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Forrest has been really god for qld this year, hence why he is playing for Australia.
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Forrest has been really god for qld this year, hence why he is playing for Australia.
So you guys have a god of cricket as well. Nice to know :D
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Ha ha
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I thought dhoni had left it too late for a minute. No lateral movement and India look more comfortable. Really think sachin had a good chance to get his ton on this track
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I think it's a bit farcical that India are rotating Tendulkar, Shewag and Gambhir to accomodate Rohit, when the logical person to sit out would be Raina. He's been out to the short ball twice, by medium pace bowlers like Christian and Mathews.
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Clarke is ruled out for the next game, So who will skipper, Watson is Vice but Injured, Haddin dropped
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Clarke is ruled out for the next game, So who will skipper, Watson is Vice but Injured, Haddin is injured
Probably Michael Hussey. Haddin isn't injured he was dropped for Wade.
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I would think its a no brainer that Ponting will skipper in Clarkes absence
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Clarke is ruled out for the next game, So who will skipper, Watson is Vice but Injured, Haddin dropped
Ponting is captain again, was obvious, although Warner has been the Vice Captain for the whole series, although he hasn't performed so he may find himself out soon if he doesn't get a decent score.
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Couple of close games eh?
What did you guys make of the tie? Personally, while I think Dhoni is a good finisher but against Malinga he was actually quite lucky to get away with some points for the team.
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i think India were ripped off given they only faced 49.5 overs! that said, who knows, the missing delivery may have been a dot.....Dhoni was most gracious in his comments, a class act.
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I don't think that really matters a lot to be honest. It happened in the 30th over and the game had a long way to go after that. India still had 10 overs to plan the remainder of their chase.
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true.
I'm just very glad it didn't happen to India (or SL for that matter) in a game against Australia! The fans & Indian press would go nuts with accusations!
in any event, unacceptable umpiring, i can understand 1 umpire making an error, but 2 on field umpires, the 3rd umpire and a match referee - surely one of them can count to 6!
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true.
I'm just very glad it didn't happen to India (or SL for that matter) in a game against Australia! The fans & Indian press would go nuts with accusations!
in any event, unacceptable umpiring, i can understand 1 umpire making an error, but 2 on field umpires, the 3rd umpire and a match referee - surely one of them can count to 6!
It's still our fault somehow, hahahah :D
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i think India were ripped off given they only faced 49.5 overs! that said, who knows, the missing delivery may have been a dot.....Dhoni was most gracious in his comments, a class act.
Could also have been a wicket....
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You know there were 299 other deliveries to score the runs,,, 1 missed delivery and that too in the 30th over and not the 49th or 50th is worth nothing most times...
it was good exciting game that ended in a tie..end of story...
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Good start for the Aussies at the Woolloong.
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Woolloongabba
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I prefer the first few letters only as they are perennially neglected. The entire name has a sonorous tune to it.
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Kholi doing his best again to be awarded ass of the year. Love his batting (oddly, his technique is almost 'Australian') but no way this guy can be a future captain of India. Going from someone who is all class like Dhoni to Virat would be a disaster.
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Kholi doing his best again to be awarded ass of the year. Love his batting (oddly, his technique is almost 'Australian') but no way this guy can be a future captain of India. Going from someone who is all class like Dhoni to Virat would be a disaster.
Is this in regards to the catch he took? I saw that and I just thought to my self, what a complete and utter (No Swearing Please).
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Is this in regards to the catch he took? I saw that and I just thought to my self, what a complete and utter (No Swearing Please).
more his reaction to (clearly) being caught. Hussey said out, 3rd umpire said out.....he lingered looking for someone to argue with. I recon its unfair to hang a guy by his facial expressions as he walks off as the tv camera zooms right in.....but it didn't make for positive viewing. his carry on when he took a catch was poor.....not as bad as the guy who caught M Hussey - the young indians do field better for sure but collectively seem a complete bunch of over paid, over rated (No Swearing Please)
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Yeah--- Kohli is quite the loveable figure isn't he?
Luckily missed the majority of the game as the CO was in mood for back to back movies so the rant is a bit controlled. Was following the scores on my laptop and it was enough.....
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Interesting conclusion if someone can stay with Dhoni. Stranger things have happened in the IPL but it's a huge ask to go at 11 an over for the last 12.
Also 'if your happy and you know it clap your hands'......
Seriously!?!?
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India are never out of it with Dhoni at the crease
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tendulkar took one flush on the helmet, and it done its job..good to see. Those forma helmets could seriously take off, ,dont know why they are reluctant to start selling big
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India are playing their last game of the tour. There is no way they can win with a bonus point. That's it--- the tour is coming to an end but India's problems are far from over. Some tough decisions have to be made in the near future. I just hope that the fans stay patient and common sense does the rounds.
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64 off 8 overs for the bonus point win then... what a finish thus will be with one batting power play to go.
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Kohli is batting like a God lol it's well and truly on!!
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It is such a difficult job when you support the Indian team; just don't know whether it's gonna be Hyde or Jekyll on any given day; Kohli blasts Malinga for 24 and India wins comfortably with the bonus point.
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Kohli's knock was the best you'll see for a while, as much as I want to dislike him for his arrogance, he is just world class
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That was amazing to watch! Felt a bit sorry for Gambhir being run out, he was looking good! However what an innings but Kohli
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It's one of those days you feel proud to support India. India showed the ability to fight back which was latent for a long time. Virat Kohli's batting was sheer display of talent.
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Wow India's heavyweights finally fire for the first time in two tours. Mind you it was worth the wait. Kohli is a great player, and may have put the final nail in Dravid and Laxman's coffins. Couldn't believe what is was seeing. Malinga went for 92 off 7.4 overs. Total carnage.
Gotta feel of TM Dilshan, second time he has scored 160 in an ODI(The other was also against India) and lost again!
Funnily enough India had given up on this series and Tendulkar was set to retire from ODIs after today's game!
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Funnily enough India had given up on this series and Tendulkar was set to retire from ODIs after today's game!
How did you find this out? wouldn't be surprised if it happened but just curious
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How did you find this out? wouldn't be surprised if it happened but just curious
Healy, Slater and Taylor mentioned it on air. Tendulkar had said as much as he didn't feel he was part of the plans looking ahead to 2015
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So do you think Tendulkar won't retire now?
There have been rumours he won't be selected for Asia cup if thats the case then that will be huge blow for him
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So do you think Tendulkar won't retire now?
There have been rumours he won't be selected for Asia cup if thats the case then that will be huge blow for him
No he will certainly retire after this series. Be it Friday if SL win or after the finals if Australia do Sachin a favour.
I heard from an Indian friend that Tendulkar was told he wasnt needed for the Asia Cup. They want to give Rohit a run without the continual pressure of you're only playing because Dhoni keeps picking you ahead of Shewag/Tendulkar/Gambhir.
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That makes sense.
IT would be shame for Sachin if he is dropped from Asia Cup it will be humiliating for him itself so retire gracefully is a better option for him.
As far long awaited 100th century is concerned Legends are made like that, Bradman got out on 0 in his final innings if he was unbeaten [even a unbeaten 0*] his average would have been over 100!
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No he will certainly retire after this series. Be it Friday if SL win or after the finals if Australia do Sachin a favour.
I heard from an Indian friend that Tendulkar was told he wasnt needed for the Asia Cup. They want to give Rohit a run without the continual pressure of you're only playing because Dhoni keeps picking you ahead of Shewag/Tendulkar/Gambhir.
I have heard that both Sachin and Sehwag have not been picked for Asia Cup.......
So who will open with Gautam? There are a couple of youngsters - Rahane is my best bet.
Would like to see Rohit Sharma, Pujara and Tiwary getting a good exposure
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Well if Sachin goes then fine, he has done a lot, recieved a lot of love and criticism but great player/role model..
Shewag is in on reputation so wont be surprised, i wonder if that is the cause of the whole dressing room tension...neways Parthiv Patel might be an option too for opening but Rahane is a better choice, Vijay might come back too...
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I have heard that both Sachin and Sehwag have not been picked for Asia Cup.......
So who will open with Gautam? There are a couple of youngsters - Rahane is my best bet.
Would like to see Rohit Sharma, Pujara and Tiwary getting a good exposure
Shewag is the ODI/T20 V/C so it's highly unlikely they would force Tendulkar out and drop Shewag.
It's common knowledge that Shewag was rushed back from a major shoulder reconstruction, and at his age, recovery takes along time. It must also be pointed out that India wins more when he plays.
From what I've seen on cricinfo, Rahane's form has fallen away since he returned from Australia.
I think Shewag and Gambhir will open. But Gambhir should've been the one dropped. Shewag and Rahane would be a good opening pair. Followed by Kohli, Rohit, Dhoni, Raina
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That makes sense.
IT would be shame for Sachin if he is dropped from Asia Cup it will be humiliating for him itself so retire gracefully is a better option for him.
As far long awaited 100th century is concerned Legends are made like that, Bradman got out on 0 in his final innings if he was unbeaten [even a unbeaten 0*] his average would have been over 100!
I think Tendulkar is so nervous about that landmark that he's finding strange ways of getting out.
IIRC when he scored his 34 Test hundred, equalling Gavaskar, it took him another 15 months to get number 35.
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So India selected their Asia cup squad over night and suprise surprise Tendulkar was named after cancelling plans to retire from the 50 over format. Shocking if you ask me. He's not gonna play in 2015, so it has a detrimental effect on the side. It was the correct time to give the Rahanes, Pujaras etc a run in the team. Shewag has been axed though...
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Sachin is still hoping for 100th century if you ask me, that is what is playing in his mind really.
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So India selected their Asia cup squad over night and suprise surprise Tendulkar was named after cancelling plans to retire from the 50 over format. Shocking if you ask me. He's not gonna play in 2015, so it has a detrimental effect on the side. It was the correct time to give the Rahanes, Pujaras etc a run in the team. Shewag has been axed though...
I would imagine this is his beat and last opportunity in ODIs
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I think he is in good form but getting out in wierd fashions. I am pretty sure once he reached 100th century, he is going to play freely and he has lot of cricket left in him..
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My only comment on this thread... Spelt Sehwag isn't it?