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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: David Bacon B3 on February 07, 2012, 10:00:32 AM
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Hello folks,
Been a while since my last post on here but thought I would start a new thread on cricket bat design.....
I have just sharpened my design pencil (well opened the CAD software.....) for GM 2013 and before I start I thought I would ask you guys what you look for in a bat?
What is the most important "thing" of the "design" of the cricket bat?
Any golden oldies of GM's past that you think should be given the DXM treatment?
Really look forward to your comments,
David
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Diamond.
Done.
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Diamond.
Done.
while I agree, it needs to be a slightly better shape than the apex which is vaguely similar..
failing that a revamped maestro would be brilliant. the shape should be like the icon, but with a lower middle.
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I'd like GM to do a Distinction profile and a jumbo/laver ultra profile. Possibly a t20 version of some of the bats.
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Something Distinction-esque is a good shout, putting an emphasis on creating a high spine for putting maximum wood into the middle
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I'd like GM to do a Distinction profile and a jumbo/laver ultra profile. Possibly a t20 version of some of the bats.
Agreed. I think it would be interesting to see what a CNC machine could do in the 1" shorter blade/1" longer handle market.
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something with big edges and a low middle that doesnt weight 3lb!
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Agreed. I think it would be interesting to see what a CNC machine could do in the 1" shorter blade/1" longer handle market.
Pretty much every one of the shorter blade bats out there is made on a CNC. Uzi, Joker, Mongoose etc.
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Pretty much every one of the shorter blade bats out there is made on a CNC. Uzi, Joker, Mongoose etc.
Cancel that one then haha :-[
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something with big edges and a low middle that doesnt weight 3lb!
That's call an Epic or Luna.
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Isn't the Halo low middled? No concaving as well.
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What about a re make of the Cannon or Maestro?
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failing that a revamped maestro would be brilliant. the shape should be like the icon, but with a lower middle.
that's sacrilege! you cant do that to a maestro! you youngsters have no respect! ;)
icon with a lower middle, isn't that an Epic?
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What about a more traditional steep spine with the focus on a larger hitting area down the blade? Edges wouldn't be massive but you'd get a bat with a very forgiving and large middle
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What about a re make of the Cannon or Maestro?
both please
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What about a more traditional steep spine with the focus on a larger hitting area down the blade? Edges wouldn't be massive but you'd get a bat with a very forgiving and large middle
Seconded! ;)
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That's call an Epic or Luna.
luna is ugly and isnt right the epic is not big
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A convex bat :D
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Something different - i don't necessarily know what, but just something different. Something that stands out. I'm not talking the edge or MMI. If i knew the answer id make it myself lol. I think its all well and good bringing out an old classic but that's very much the way GN are going.
Sorry that's not really much help.
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I think you have to bring back or rather create a classical English cricket bat like the Newberry Mjolnir and call it the PURIST!!!!
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All excellent comments,
So whats more important -
Big edges
Big profile (spine)
Weight
Swell position
Or a combination of all of the above (I think that's what I have been designing over the last 5 years, well I hope anyway ;) ), bearing in mind if you have big edges and big swell - it normally comes with a bigger weight tag!!
What are peoples thoughts on concaving?
Big toes / thin toes
Big shoulders / thin shoulders
Skinny edges VS Big Spine
Come on - blank canvas - if you were the designer what would you design?
David
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All excellent comments,
So whats more important -
Big edges
Big profile (spine)
Weight
Swell position
What are peoples thoughts on concaving?
Big toes / thin toes
Big shoulders / thin shoulders
Skinny edges AND Big Spine
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I think you could cover this off in a matrix. People want a combination of the following things:
Big Edges/Lower Spine Big Spine/Smaller Edges
High Middle
Low Middle
I complete range for me has one bat in each quadrant
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How about something with a big hump like the old slazenger v12.
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i would crawl over broken glass for a new Diamond. Left mine on a coach. I don't think I've ever recovered.....
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I know this is about design but would you mind if we ask the members their opinions about GM pressing and if they will have some suggestions on that regard as to how or to what degree will they like their bat pressed. I don't want to derail the thread so am respectfully asking your permission to throw this question into the middle. :)
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Wait til Colsey sees this thread!
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I think GM produce very good bats. However, they don't have an "attention grabber" - something that makes you go wow. An extreme big edge bat (tendulkar shape?) or a distinction spine would give this wow. Regarding the trends on profiles, I think this forum is more clued up than most punters, so the answers might not be the same as the average buyer. For me a big edge (35mm) helps my timing but I've been equally happy with 25mm, if the middle is less concaved and a higher spine. I'm not sure big toes or lower middles make much difference apart from wrecking the pickup. Thinner shoulders does make sense as I think GM puts a little too much weight/edge into the top of the bat - but that would of course hurt the pickup unless the spine was higher.
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I think GM produce very good bats. However, they don't have an "attention grabber" - something that makes you go wow. An extreme big edge bat (tendulkar shape?) or a distinction spine would give this wow. Regarding the trends on profiles, I think this forum is more clued up than most punters, so the answers might not be the same as the average buyer. For me a big edge (35mm) helps my timing but I've been equally happy with 25mm, if the middle is less concaved and a higher spine. I'm not sure big toes or lower middles make much difference apart from wrecking the pickup. Thinner shoulders does make sense as I think GM puts a little too much weight/edge into the top of the bat - but that would of course hurt the pickup unless the spine was higher.
Given the Icon was the bigest selling bat last season for at least two retailers (Romida and Owzat?) surely that is a stand out bat?
having said that I do know what you mean
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really?
would of thought the oblivion would of been more popular
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the icon is a great bat, big enough edges, not too much concaving and an excellent pickup. But compare that to a Distinction or some of the GN/Kooks "Big Edge" bats and it looks (unfairly) a bit dwarfed. If you are looking at 50 bats, you'll look at the "Freaks", just to try.
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Given the Icon was the bigest selling bat last season for at least two retailers (Romida and Owzat?) surely that is a stand out bat?
That's like saying Asda George clothes are standout compared to Armani, because they sell more. Whilst sales is a reasonable measure, I do think that GM needs a bat which creates a buzz and has something unique about it.
GN have done that fantastically this year with the Scoop. The engraved autographs could potentially be used more in the branding of the bats, alongside a unique shape.
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the icon is a great bat, big enough edges, not too much concaving and an excellent pickup. Big compare that to a Distinction or some of the GN/Kooks "Big Edge" bats and it looks (unfairly) a bit dwarfed. If you are looking at 50 bats, you'll look at the "Freaks", just to try.
Isn't that what you have the "+" range for?
slightly harsh to compare George to GM but I get your point
Personally I find a lot of those huge bats way too heavy... you have to recognise that most bats sold are in the 2lbs 9-10 region and the distintions are all 2.12 or more typically.
I still think the Diamond for a vintage bat or this shape for a new bat...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/kooksvantage003.jpg)
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David, I think it would be great if our members could somehow be more heavily involved in the product development of this bat - on top of offering up ideas and inspiration for a new design, could we as a forum possibly get involved in demo-ing prototype designs?
I'm sure our Batoff team (especially the Stig) would be well up for this
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Whilst sales is a reasonable measure, I do think that GM needs a bat which creates a buzz and has something unique about it.
It could be called the GM Buzz..
..I think I already know one shoe in buyer, regardless of the final design :D
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(http://i.imgur.com/b0xH0.jpg)
My fave shape.
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It could be called the GM Buzz..
..I think I already know one shoe in buyer, regardless of the final design :D
:o :D
Thanks Johnny, althought there have been so many great names, Maestro, Cannon, Purist - I think that is the least of the issues.
Tom, that is a fabulous shape for a bat.
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([url]http://i.imgur.com/b0xH0.jpg[/url])
My fave shape.
seconded, my joint top. a truely amazing shape that one.
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im presuming thats not a mongoose? what is it?
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It's a Mongoose made for Andrew Symonds.
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didnt think it looked standard. i do like that shape.
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(http://cf.mp-cdn.net/6d/85/5f72d13d6ab8708fe609ae335dd1.jpg)
This is my favourite shape. Wonderful bats.
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something with big edges and a low middle that doesnt weight 3lb!
you've got one lol
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One word: Purist!!
By far the best GM bat in my lifetime.
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One word: Purist!!
By far the best GM bat in my lifetime.
What Craig said.
Bring Purist back!!
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Tom, what does that thing weigh?
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i loved my GM autograph until it snapped 6 games in to the season :(
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Keep them coming - there all going into the design pot, I need to find a pencil sharpener!!
Today I will be mostly trying to design something distinctive!!
Anybody on twitter - just created an account Dr_DBacon
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Tom, what does that thing weigh?
2lb 8oz
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Like Tom said with the engravings, I reckon GM etched onto each edge would yep look bloody brilliant! Would also help combat those bloody awful fakes we see on eBay!
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Please please please please please bring the Purist back! Small edges big spine!
I know it's only recently stopped being made, but it was such a good bat. The pick up was very, very nice, it was well balanced and it played superbly well.. I've used 4 Purists, only one was my own but even now I would pick an old, used one over my bat. Sadly the bat I got my first hundred with (Purist) is on it's way to Australia with it's owner in a few weeks. I offered to buy it off of him but sadly it was a no.
Saying all of that my first 50 was with a Purist II which would be my second choice however I feel this may be too similar to the Halo or 1885, as would a resurrection of the Hero.
I can't begin to describe how awesome it would be to own a new Purist. I would sell enough of my equipment to buy one if it came out. I even e-mailed GM last year if they had any knocking about the factory I'm that desperate :(
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Please please please please please bring the Purist back! Small edges big spine!
I know it's only recently stopped being made, but it was such a good bat. The pick up was very, very nice, it was well balanced and it played superbly well.. I've used 4 Purists, only one was my own but even now I would pick an old, used one over my bat. Sadly the bat I got my first hundred with (Purist) is on it's way to Australia with it's owner in a few weeks. I offered to buy it off of him but sadly it was a no.
Saying all of that my first 50 was with a Purist II which would be my second choice however I feel this may be too similar to the Halo or 1885, as would a resurrection of the Hero.
I can't begin to describe how awesome it would be to own a new Purist. I would sell enough of my equipment to buy one if it came out. I even e-mailed GM last year if they had any knocking about the factory I'm that desperate :(
Purist III it is then ;)
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I'll take it!
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Colesey your a little too obsessed i think. must have had some cracking Purists lol
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Obsessed doesn't cover it!! I'm so hoping this comes true!
The best one I used was an 808 at about 2.11. Last of the grade one 808s
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Purist III it is then ;)
Purist Redux
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Purist Radius ;)
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Purist Rehash ;)
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I still remain convinced that if you want something to be retro and stand out, I think an updated Diamond remains the way to go.
Failing that... surely (just to trick Colesy ;))
The Purist The Maestro
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I like the final third of Buzz's post
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Make a bat with a high spine and thin edges, and one with a laver-esque flat top. I would also do something with mahusive edges that doesn't weigh much. GM++. Do a special bat that has a different sticker design to the others, not just different colours. Price it ludicrously. Experiment with handles. Create some fancy-dan gimmick a la Salix CTS edges.
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Good point, sloping shoulders like the TT and some inverse? edges like the Salix.
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A shoulder less bat would be a good idea. Just something that makes people say "Have you seen the new GM (insert name)? It's awesome!" in the same way when people first saw the GN Scoop. Just come up with some new, gimmicky innovation
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Reverse bow to hit the ball down ;)
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Reverse bow to hit the ball down ;)
Genius!
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Right, two designs down..... (1 I think you will really like)
Next - I'll look at all your suggestions and put them into the design pot and see what comes out!
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Right, two designs down..... (1 I think you will really like)
Next - I'll look at all your suggestions and put them into the design pot and see what comes out!
Very excited. as I'm sure we all are to see what you have come up with Sir Streaky.
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Are we going to get to test these designs at a batoff before they go mainstream?
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Will we get a sneak preview of the 1 we will really like?
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I suspect GM will want to keep things under wraps. Maybe a factory visit to see the designs?
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I suspect GM will want to keep things under wraps. Maybe a factory visit to see the designs?
Factory visit, i'd defnitely buy a bat then!!! Sort it out Saunders
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All expenses paid is what I heard ;)
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It would be pretty cool to watch your gm whizz through the cnc and down the line though. Then watch a smiley lady sticker it up :)
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Factory visit, i'd defnitely buy a bat then!!! Sort it out Saunders
I think we have to wait for an invite Liam.
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I know mate but that would be very special indeed. I'd save up plenty so I could get a couple of Le's 8) love GM's just don't earn the brass for it lol
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I know mate but that would be very special indeed. I'd save up plenty so I could get a couple of Le's 8) love GM's just don't earn the brass for it lol
Amen brutha
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It's definatley worth the drive but can't buy anything there unfortunately but we did (and by we I mean Pete) did try to sneak trotts bat out but were caught
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It's definatley worth the drive but can't buy anything there unfortunately but we did (and by we I mean Pete) did try to sneak trotts bat out but were caught
Caught..... Useless you man :D is there not a shop there??
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I've had this idea for a while, and was going to try it on an old bat.
What about on the edges small grooves cut in at approximately 45 degrees (open to variation) from face of bat to back. (Higher at the face end) spaced roughly an inch apart
The effect of this could be that balls which clip edges are directed towards the ground (sorry bowlers and slips).
Not sure on the legality of this
A bit innovative like when woodworm put scoops out.
Anyone with better IT skills than me (MS Paint amateur here) might be able to notch up a design.
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In celebration of my 20th post I 've decided to add a picture to my profile - but can not seem to do it!!
Any suggestions?
David
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Have you tried using a URL or your own picture? I had some issues using a URL when I first joined.
I'll go through the process now to see what could go wrong.
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I've had this idea for a while, and was going to try it on an old bat.
What about on the edges small grooves cut in at approximately 45 degrees (open to variation) from face of bat to back. (Higher at the face end) spaced roughly an inch apart
The effect of this could be that balls which clip edges are directed towards the ground (sorry bowlers and slips).
Not sure on the legality of this
A bit innovative like when woodworm put scoops out.
Anyone with better IT skills than me (MS Paint amateur here) might be able to notch up a design.
The other side to this is that you introduce additional weakness into an already weak part of the bat. What is more likely to happen is that the edge of the groove will get broken off and the ball will still carry to the catcher, unless you have some very thick or very strong wood on the edges.