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Title: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 01:48:23 PM
Some of the Gray-Nicolls bats that we hand picked a month ago have just been delivered to us, and it includes a bizarrely massive (and quite attractive) e41 500.

It weighs 2lb 8.3oz but has, get this, 47mm edges?!! What's even weirder is that the other edge is just 44mm.  I never really took time to measure both edges of bats before, as I assumed that the size of one would be the same as the other.  Clearly I was wrong.  Is this just a complete one-off, or have others experienced the same with other bats??

I will post some pics of the bat later...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Red Ink Cricket on January 08, 2013, 01:51:28 PM
for a bat that size to be that weight id expect a very light cleft, no spine height or concaved to within an inch of its life. sounds like the bat maker was having an off day and missed a couple of mm of one edge.be interesting to see the pics when you can
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: uknsaunders on January 08, 2013, 01:52:02 PM
crap workmanship or your tape measure is wrong. I had a bat like this and I sanded the edge down.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 08, 2013, 01:53:13 PM
Wow, pictures please? Profile and down the spine picture for concaving etc?

Appreciate it.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 01:56:19 PM
for a bat that size to be that weight id expect a very light cleft, no spine height or concaved to within an inch of its life. sounds like the bat maker was having an off day and missed a couple of mm of one edge.be interesting to see the pics when you can

There is a fair amount of concaving, but I've seen bats with a fair bit more... Pics to come shortly...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: manno on January 08, 2013, 01:59:44 PM
Wow, pictures please? Profile and down the spine picture for concaving etc?

Appreciate it.

Oh dear!! Put your wallet away :)
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: smokem on January 08, 2013, 02:00:48 PM
That is really poor workmanship I have to say... You should demand GN for compensation, then sell this freak of a bat to me at a heavily discounted price!!!  :D
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 08, 2013, 02:00:51 PM
There is a fair amount of concaving, but I've seen bats with a fair bit more... Pics to come shortly...
How much do these go for?
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:02:11 PM
It also has 17 grains... (not blemish free though)
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 08, 2013, 02:05:55 PM
You do occasionally get this with GN bats. I sold a GN Evo Carbo I got from the hut that looked good, was huge and went really well. Someone on here got it.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:06:45 PM
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/001-3_zpsbfae0629.jpg)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/004-2_zpsb1ac51d9.jpg)

This is the 44mm edge...

(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/005-1_zps63dd7b39.jpg)

And here is the 47mm edge...

(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/007-1_zpscb64e8a0.jpg)

(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/008-1_zpsbcc5e824.jpg)
(http://i1146.photobucket.com/albums/o538/ItsJustCricket/010-2_zpsa7df07db.jpg)

I have checked them three times with my tape measure, and it's always read the same, so...

Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:07:29 PM
How much do these go for?


Here you go, Tim: http://www.itsjustcricket.co.uk/cricket-bats-c17/senior-cricket-bats-c18/gray-nicolls-e41-500-cricket-bat-p525
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: uknsaunders on January 08, 2013, 02:12:14 PM
I'd get a refund if I was you. £240 sheets for a bat with wonky edges lol. I don't care if it has huge edges  :D
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Ciaran on January 08, 2013, 02:13:14 PM
Simple answer is send it back! It can never feel quite right in the hands if one side weights slightly more than the other! Its a defect, and as such would either need to be rectified or sold as "seconds"
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: uknsaunders on January 08, 2013, 02:15:07 PM
maybe it's a new version of the GN Edge bat. Weighted outside edge to stop you opening the face and running the ball to slip.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: RightArmRapid on January 08, 2013, 02:15:58 PM
It has wonky edges but to have even 43mm edges on a bat that weight is pretty special, then again the spine isn't too high. Paul, how did it feel when you picked it up while hand picking. Surely it feels as good as any other bat if you chose it!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:19:42 PM
Simple answer is send it back! It can never feel quite right in the hands if one side weights slightly more than the other! Its a defect, and as such would either need to be rectified or sold as "seconds"

It actually feels really nice though! If it doesn't sell I would rather keep it for myself.  After all, I'm a right hander who often manages to find the outside edge!!  :D
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:20:20 PM
It has wonky edges but to have even 43mm edges on a bat that weight is pretty special, then again the spine isn't too high. Paul, how did it feel when you picked it up while hand picking. Surely it feels as good as any other bat if you chose it!

Yes, exactly, feels lovely.  Taps up nicely too...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Uzi Sports on January 08, 2013, 02:20:35 PM
I have a similar bat Paul. I'll measure it and let you know if there is any difference in edges size

Regards

Asad
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Ciaran on January 08, 2013, 02:21:45 PM
It actually feels really nice though! If it doesn't sell I would rather keep it for myself.  After all, I'm a right hander who often manages to find the outside edge!!  :D

Id still let GN know about it and ask what they recommend! If they offer you a partial refund then you will have yourself a cheap special bat!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Bruce on January 08, 2013, 02:22:46 PM
It almost looks as if on the right handers outside edge has a longer middle 
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: RightArmRapid on January 08, 2013, 02:23:27 PM
I know that edge size most certainly is not everything when picking a bat. Best bat to date (in terms of runs anyway!) was a size 6 kookaburra kahuna with like 15mm edges tops. But anyway when i see a bat of that size i can't help but think wow, that must be one hell of a bat!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 02:24:47 PM
Id still let GN know about it and ask what they recommend! If they offer you a partial refund then you will have yourself a cheap special bat!

No, I hand picked it for other reasons.  I knew it had big edges, but didn't measure them at the time.  I f I felt it picked up strange, I'd probably take you advice, but it feels just fine to me so it's staying!

Yash, if you're reading this, this is the bat I was going to email you photos of...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: rp27 on January 08, 2013, 02:27:31 PM
£240 for that, wow.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 08, 2013, 03:19:39 PM
Looks exactly like the Evo I sold but I'm pretty sure the edges were the same size...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: RightArmRapid on January 08, 2013, 03:29:58 PM
£240 for that, wow.
What grade is the 500s anyway?
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: wasted_talent on January 08, 2013, 04:16:18 PM
The bat looks amazing. Would like to see it in the flesh!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: wasted_talent on January 08, 2013, 04:16:49 PM
I have a similar bat Paul. I'll measure it and let you know if there is any difference in edges size

Regards

Asad

Asad, look forward to seeing the details!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 04:19:37 PM
What grade is the 500s anyway?

Players grade.  Which (I think) is regular grade 1, with the LE & Players being grade 1+.  GN don't publish grades though, so I cannot be 100% certain.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 04:20:42 PM
Players grade.  Which (I think) is regular grade 1, with the LE & Players being grade 1+.  GN don't publish grades though, so I cannot be 100% certain.

I meant LE and Players LE ie. the Cook Oblivion.  Sorry if that confused anyone there!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: RightArmRapid on January 08, 2013, 04:23:58 PM
Players grade.  Which (I think) is regular grade 1, with the LE & Players being grade 1+.  GN don't publish grades though, so I cannot be 100% certain.
They should just go ahead and make it a 1000 rather than 500  ;) That aside, refusing to publish grade just seems a tad sneaky to me, makes it hard for the customer to know 100% what they're getting!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ManHOOS on January 08, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
As long as balence and performance of the bat is fine ... extra amount of edge is OK  ;)

Gray Nicolls produce bats in massive number so this may be the reason so answer to your QUESTION Yes :) its possible. I fink if a customer is after huge edges so he will take it as bonus   :D
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Six Sixes Cricket on January 08, 2013, 05:01:39 PM
I take it E41 means minimum edge of 41mm then. I have seen odd sized edges from another brand.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: johnnyw on January 08, 2013, 05:02:04 PM
Going on cosmetics, I would class that bat as a grade 3
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: uknsaunders on January 08, 2013, 05:02:40 PM
just make sure the customer sees the outside edge only ie. the big one!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 08, 2013, 05:08:34 PM
just make sure the customer sees the outside edge only ie. the big one!

Is 44mm for a 2.8 bat not also worthy of being described as "big"???!!!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Cover_Drive on January 08, 2013, 05:28:13 PM
Despite they should be spot on but handmade bats tend to have slight margin of error..I saw a V12 with such manifestation.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Uzi Sports on January 08, 2013, 07:21:43 PM
I have a similar bat Paul. I'll measure it and let you know if there is any difference in edges size

Regards

Asad
Paul,

i have measured the edges on our bat and they are exactly the same size on both edges, 42mm.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ursmasti on January 09, 2013, 04:58:06 AM
I see CD saying v12 has offset edges but luckly mine doesnt have it i measured it today and it has 37mm edges on both sides. May be i am lucky and good one ... Thank you (itsjust cricket) for hand picking such wonderful bat.
It look so nice i think i wont ever take that bat in cricket feild i cant imagine having cricket ball mark on it :-)
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Johnny on January 09, 2013, 07:03:19 AM
Gray's grow their own willow don't they, so grading is whatever they deem it to be. They can't be accused of upgrading Wright's grade 3 willow, as they haven't bought the willow from Wrights
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: nick123 on January 09, 2013, 07:14:54 AM
The e41 is a Aus/NZ realese bat and in grading terms the 500 is third grade English Willow along with the 400 (A61)
In terms of the bat that is not on in my book return it to Grays and ask for a replacement or refund
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 07:27:08 AM
The e41 is a Aus/NZ realese bat and in grading terms the 500 is third grade English Willow along with the 400 (A61)
In terms of the bat that is not on in my book return it to Grays and ask for a replacement or refund

That can't be right - the e41 500 is double the price of the a61 400?!!!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: smokem on January 09, 2013, 07:30:09 AM
...In terms of the bat that is not on in my book return it to Grays and ask for a replacement or refund
I don't think it's that big a deal. Paul has handpicked this bat so I'm sure it balances fine and pings like a mofo. I'm sure this bat won't hang around for long...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 07:40:39 AM
Yes, Vincent. It's certainly not getting replaced! It's not the best looking bat in the world, but if you saw it in the flesh, you'd realise it's far from ugly / grade 3. Besides, with specs like this, the cosmetics are irrelevant surely, so why does everyone keep going on about the looks?!
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: nick123 on January 09, 2013, 08:22:51 AM
That can't be right - the e41 500 is double the price of the a61 400?!!!
I know mate we shouldnt discolse that info but im pretty sure it is
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 09, 2013, 08:57:49 AM
I really want to see this bat in the flesh...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 09:07:22 AM
I really want to see this bat in the flesh...

Well, Tim, you know where the shop is...  ;)

Going to try and do a video review today, but I want to make it a bit more general about the e41 500 as a bat, not so much about the freakishness of this particular bat.  I have a feeling I'll struggle to do this though...  :(
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 09, 2013, 09:33:47 AM
I think what this also goes to prove is that specific, measured datums within bat production, when done by hand, are a nonsense. You dont' walk into a shop with a ruler and say "Is each edge 37mm, is the spine 49mm". you pick up the bat and swing it around and say "This feels heavy/light/perfect/odd". If when you pick it up, the balance isn't off then those sizes really don't matter.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Johnny on January 09, 2013, 09:38:07 AM
Maybe the edges are uneven on purpose in order to help balance the bat?
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 09:44:25 AM
I think what this also goes to prove is that specific, measured datums within bat production, when done by hand, are a nonsense. You dont' walk into a shop with a ruler and say "Is each edge 37mm, is the spine 49mm". you pick up the bat and swing it around and say "This feels heavy/light/perfect/odd". If when you pick it up, the balance isn't off then those sizes really don't matter.

Agreed.  These specs only really apply to the armchair / online shopper...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: procricket on January 09, 2013, 09:47:44 AM
What I do t get maybe it posted elsewhere but isn't a e41 supposed to have 41mm edges he se the name
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: tim2000s on January 09, 2013, 09:56:56 AM
What I do t get maybe it posted elsewhere but isn't a e41 supposed to have 41mm edges he se the name
At least 41mm edges I believe.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: Kulli on January 09, 2013, 09:57:20 AM
I think what this also goes to prove is that specific, measured datums within bat production, when done by hand, are a nonsense. You dont' walk into a shop with a ruler and say "Is each edge 37mm, is the spine 49mm". you pick up the bat and swing it around and say "This feels heavy/light/perfect/odd". If when you pick it up, the balance isn't off then those sizes really don't matter.

Here here, really confuses me when i see people asking for a 28.94mm edge and a 72.12mm spine, each to his own and all that but I can imagine even any pro's are that anal about bat sizes.
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: procricket on January 09, 2013, 10:08:56 AM
Agree I like a certain shape style and edge size it not exact but it a profile and a edge size

It is also the feel

Most bats have that little difference edges concaving like the wood very very few bats of any ate identical
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 07:04:29 PM
We did a video review for this bat today.  Just uploading it to YouTube now.  It's a pretty long one, so will probably take a while!  :-[ I will post the link once it's up...
Title: Re: Freak of a GN e41 Bat - WEIRD Edges - is this possible?!
Post by: ItsJustCricket on January 09, 2013, 09:30:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szFstM7Bq4c