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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: dilscoop on January 24, 2013, 03:05:11 PM
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I just wanted to gather your thoughts on most underrated international player ?
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Daniel Flynn, seemed to add a little solidity in a very fragile kiwi middle order, but thats not really saying much, if he can work hard and push on i reckon he could be a really solid bat!
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Well, it's definitely not Kamran Akmal! :D
I'd say Tim Southee or Peter Siddle.
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I say mohammed kaif is a one definetly because he was sadly in the era of the fab4 dravid tendulkar ganguly laxman
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make that fab five. . .sehwag
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Why is there no left arm spinner that bowls a doosra (apart from herath as far I'm aware of)
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Whilst I don't agree with this but have heard loads of guys say Umar Gul?
:S
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Ross Taylor
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None has probably heard of this guy but hope he gets a chance, harmeet singh
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Ross Taylor
That's a good shout, I was going to say him....then I thought about his GM Players bat and thought that he can't be that underrated if they're offering a replica bat of his!
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I always reckoned Paul Collingwood was very underrated - a real scrapper.
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I don't think Shiv ever gets the recognition he deserves. He's been solid in that WI order for years and years throughout all the mess with their board etc.
If you agree he gets enough credit its probably still Kallis, arguably the best all round player ever, Yet everyone talks about Botham/Flintoff etc etc
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Tendulkar
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Tendulkar
How is Tendulkar Under-rated?
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It was a joke ;)
However Arjun Tendulkar might be underrated because of his father
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Mohammad Yousuf?
I agree about Ross Taylor, I'd also put Ian Bell.
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It was a joke ;)
However Arjun Tendulkar might be underrated because of his father
Dilscoop - was that your Doosra?? :D :D :D :D :D :D
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3 Months ago i would have said Faf du Plessis
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watch out also for Tangerine (SIC) Chanderpaul http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/current/story/601969.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/westindies/content/current/story/601969.html)
I think Robin Smith was vastly underrated by the England selectors...
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Mohammad Yousuf?
I agree about Ross Taylor, I'd also put Ian Bell.
.............Don't get me started on Ian Bell!! :D :D :D
Shiv is a very good shout too
Kallis is unfortunate because he goes about his business in such an undemonstrative way. He's not box office like Flintoff and Botham although his sats would suggest a far superior player.
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Azhar Ali , Faf Du Plessis , Kane Williamson, Dean Brownlie, Lonwabo Tsotsobe, Rangana Herath, Marlon Samuels ?
Then again you cant be to underated if your playing international cricket.
Du Plessis and Samuels are the two most improved cricketers I have seen in a long time.
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I always reckoned Paul Collingwood was very underrated - a real scrapper.
My thoughts exactly.
Misbah Ul-Haq has done a great job as skipper of Pakistan, has led them through some troubled times and has not let anyone down with the bat.
Also Alviro Peterson - you hear people describing the South African batting line up and it's all Smith, Kallis, Amla and ABDV. Before Alviro was there the 2nd openers role was a hole that needed filling, him and Philander have completed that side
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I dont know what to make of afridi's career
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Agree re; Ian Bell - similar style of player to VVS, who is worshipped as one of the modern greats - Bell has better stats. I feel Gower suffered the same perception.
Got to be Kallis; he is talked about as one of the best modern day players, but not mentioned anywhere near enough as an all-time great.
Also think Shiv is a good shout, as is Umar Gul.
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I agree on Misbah Ul Haq and Azhar Ali.
You guys have no idea what Pakistani fans have to say about Misbah Ul Haq, outrageous!!
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I agree on Misbah Ul Haq and Azhar Ali.
You guys have no idea what Pakistani fans have to say about Misbah Ul Haq, outrageous!!
Are they not fans of him? :o Stability and a calm head are exactly what Pakistan need from my point of view.
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Are they not fans of him? :o Stability and a calm head are exactly what Pakistan need from my point of view.
Fans? Lol! They absolutely detest Misbah Ul Haq, obviously not all but majority do!
I concur your sentiments, he is exactly like the type of captain we need. He has impressive stats as a captain, he has brought numerous laurels to Pakistan ever since he took captaincy. He lead Pakistan through there most dark days when no one else was willing to accept captaincy. Out of all, one of the most rare facet among Pakistani captains is communication skills and professionalism on and off field, we have very few captains in our history who possessed this.
Alas, you can safe I'm big fan of him.
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Surprising to hear, from the outside he looks to have clearly done a great job.
Definitely brought some respect back to Pakistan and they now have a very good team, looking forward to the SA series
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Surprising to hear, from the outside he looks to have clearly done a great job.
Definitely brought some respect back to Pakistan and they now have a very good team, looking forward to the SA series
Indeed, also I must say I was tad surprised by Mohammad Hafeez leadership skills. He seems like a decent chap too!
Detest saying this but those who detest Misbah Ul Haq are in state of denial as they say Shahid Afridi is a better captain than Misbah Ul Haq, an absurd remarks!
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I definately think Kallis and Shiv are up there. Onions is an underrated player for me he had a really good start to his international career and even after his injury he's a better test bowler than Bresnan surely!
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Brad Hodge! Just look at his stats!
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Agree re; Ian Bell - similar style of player to VVS, who is worshipped as one of the modern greats - Bell has better stats.
Stats aren't the be all and end all of how a player is rated.
VVS Laxman goes down as a great due to his domination of the legendary Australian side.
He has got the 100s others have as batting at 6, after Sehwag Tendulkar and Dravidian are done there's not much point in batting on.
Also regarding Laxman, until the tours of England 2011 and Australia 2011-12, he was averaging 47-48. As he was passed his best for the tours I named above and his averaged declined to 45.
Laxman is considerably better than Bell.
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Graeme Smith is pretty underrated. He averages 49 with 26 centuries but is never mentioned as a great opener.
He's more known for his captaincy.
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That's because he is so damn ugly to watch! :D
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That's because he is so damn ugly to watch! :D
No way :o
The master of the leg side :D
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Gonna throw Rob Key into the mix, great captain, excellent bat and a test double hundred should have played a lot more for England IMO
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Jacques Kallis has to be the most underrated player.
The best allround cricketer ever. Batting average above 50 over such a long period. Bowls 90mph on his day and has bags of test wickets. One of the top 5 slip fielders of all time.
Plays all 3 forms of the game and excels in all of them with bat and ball.
Yet people still seem to forget all this when they talk of the greats of the game.
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I think Alex Hales is extremely underrated by the England selection, how he hasn't earned a place in the ODI squad ahead of Bell I do not know.
Otherwise I think Kallis is a terrific ambassador of the game but is rarely talked about ahead of Tendulkar and Ponting. All three would be the greatest players across the last decade for sure, but Kallis receives little recognition for it.
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You just underrated someone there. Brain Lara. As good if not better than tendulkar and certainly better than pointing IMO
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I actually do sympathize for Mohammad Amir, I think he's could of been one of the best left arm seamers of all-time
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I don't think Chaminda Vaas ever got the recognition he deserved.
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Most underrated international player...
hmmm HOW BOUT ME!?
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I dont know why I love Mohammad Amir
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Most underrated international player...
hmmm HOW BOUT ME!?
Move to the English set up ;)
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Jacques Kallis has to be the most underrated player.
The best allround cricketer ever. Batting average above 50 over such a long period. Bowls 90mph on his day and has bags of test wickets. One of the top 5 slip fielders of all time.
Plays all 3 forms of the game and excels in all of them with bat and ball.
Yet people still seem to forget all this when they talk of the greats of the game.
Absolutely agree, the man has the 11th highest test match average of all time, and the highest of anyone in the modern era, over a period of nearly twice as long as anyone above him (160 tests, nearest to that is 93) which shows excellence over such a long career, longevity which includes a career bowling (admitedly less so as of late) whereas all above are batsmen.
44 hundreds, 2nd most of all time. The only flaw is that he never made a triple ton, but neither did some lads called Tendulkar or Ponting. 4th most runs of all time (probably be second by the time he finishes). 6th in ODI's.
Add in that he is SA's 5th highest wicket taker in tests, 3rd in ODI's, the man is the greatest all rounder of the modern era, if not all time.
He even has an ipl contract, excellence over all forms!
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Move to the English set up ;)
Would take a few years.. :( need to wait 4 years since your last international game so still have 3 and a bit years
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for his sheer allround ablity and stats, and no fuss, no flashyness approach, Kallis to me is the greatest player of all time
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Ranganna Hereath?
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for his sheer allround ablity and stats, and no fuss, no flashyness approach, Kallis to me is the greatest player of all time
Agreed. Class player and does not get the credit he deserves
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for his sheer allround ablity and stats, and no fuss, no flashyness approach, Kallis to me is the greatest player of all time
Absolutely agree. We always hear about Tendulkar, Lara, Ponting being candidates for the greatest modern player and the greatest ever, but they have/had one discipline. Kallis' batting compares to theirs, plus he's taken nearly 300 test wickets. If that doesn't scream greatest ever, what does?
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have to agree with kallis and Chanderpaul
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James Taylor. Played well in his tested and then dropped into the wilderness and all sky would talk about is his helmet.....
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Kallis for sure.
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James Taylor. Played well in his tested and then dropped into the wilderness and all sky would talk about is his helmet.....
Which he's no longer going to be using
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What! When has this happened? Im guessing this is where money played a part rather than use of the best equipment.
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Think on GN website that would be using their bats + helmet
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Think on GN website that would be using their bats + helmet
yeah just read this http://www.gray-nicolls.co.uk/blog/james-taylor-maverick (http://www.gray-nicolls.co.uk/blog/james-taylor-maverick)
do you really think he was keen to try the helmet as they said..
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Id have to say Miitch Marsh.
Clearly a op player but never really been given the chance to play for Aus.
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If the likes of elton chingumbura or h masakadza had grown up in the english setup i have no doubt they'd thrive. Don't think andre russell gets the opportunities he deserves despite some suspect bowling.
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Id have to say Miitch Marsh.
Clearly a op player but never really been given the chance to play for Aus.
Maybe thats because he is always out on the booze with his brother? :o
Or maybe because he is made of biscuits like all of the other young aussie seamers.
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In my opinion. ..R Dravid
A gem of a batsman....for me the best test product ever....
He always had any1 overscoring him and thus always fell in shadows...
Everyone remembers VVS 281 against australia but noone remembers his partner in crime Rahul dravid..
When sachin scored 186 against new zealand..we had rahul dravid scoring 153 on the other end
When saurav scored 183 in a WC match ... rahul was playing in 150,s
He has done so much...and used to get such less appreciation
Wjen a team needed a WK-Batsman..he stood up
A total gentleman and a true player
Immense respect for him
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In my opinion. ..R Dravid
A gem of a batsman....for me the best test product ever....
He always had any1 overscoring him and thus always fell in shadows...
Everyone remembers VVS 281 against australia but noone remembers his partner in crime Rahul dravid..
When sachin scored 186 against new zealand..we had rahul dravid scoring 153 on the other end
When saurav scored 183 in a WC match ... rahul was playing in 150,s
He has done so much...and used to get such less appreciation
Wjen a team needed a WK-Batsman..he stood up
A total gentleman and a true player
Immense respect for him
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I think Dravid was only underated in India, that's the sachin effect, personally I like dravid more than any Indian player, no nonsense type player he is..
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My top 3 underrated players are:
1/ Jacques Kallis - what a brilliant player! When SA were shyte back in 2004-06, Kallis stood up when even Graeme Smith didn't and scored ton after ton. Respect.
2/ Rahul Dravid - overshadowed in the Indian media due to his old school no frills attitude. A brilliant batsman with wrists of supple rubber. Always used as the Mr fix it in the Indian batting order, I cannot imagine how much better his already spectacular output would have been if he was allowed to settle in one position.
3/ Mike Hussey - didn't make his debut until he was nearly 31....a travesty, because in the 7 years he did play test cricket he was a class act. When Clarke when on his run of triple and double centuries, most didn't even notice that Mike Hussey was at the other end each time with a century plus score himself.
Apologies to Simon Jones, Mike Hendrick, Shiv Chanderpaul, Nayan Mongia, Navjot Sidhu, Jimmy Adams, Damien Martyn, Brad Hodge etc
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I though hard about this topic and I was trying to remember someone who perhaps doesn't receive the glory of his fellow teammates, although he is an outstanding performer in all forms of the cricket.
Here is my most underrated international cricket player.
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Ajmal debuted at 30 and since entering the international arena has been a very solid performer and is currently ranked fourth in Test, fourth in ODI and second in Twenty20 in the ICC player rankings.
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My top 3 underrated players are:
1/ Jacques Kallis
2/ Rahul Dravid
3/ Mike Hussey
This is spooky but I had a conversation on Saturday with a teammate and I said these names!
Vic - stop listening into my conversations! 😉
Seriously, these are the 3 I said went under the radar!!
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would have to say steven finn , doesn't get the credit he deserves
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1- Jacques 2- Rahul 3- Hussey
This is spooky but I had a conversation on Saturday with a teammate and I said these names!
Vic - stop listening into my conversations!
Seriously, these are the 3 I said went under the radar!!
Same three for me. All of them wonderful cricketers and performers but didn't get the due credit ---
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This is spooky but I had a conversation on Saturday with a teammate and I said these names!
Vic - stop listening into my conversations! 😉
Seriously, these are the 3 I said went under the radar!!
Great minds think alike big fella!
Seriously, I am staggered the media etc miss the obvious so often. Kallis will likely go down as the greatest batsman, if not cricketer of our age. Yet, most of his career has drifted by without anyone outside of SA noticing him. Though, I must say that Kallis is highly respected in Australia...everyone marvels at his ability to keep on keeping on at such a high level. Dravid has always been sold short by the Sachin obsessed media....but when the (No Swearing Please) hits the fan, it is Dravid, not Tendulkar who is the saviour. As for Hussey...he is the living embodiment of every club cricketer everywhere. Unfashionable, unwanted, under appreciated, but fanatically determined. A bloke who willed himself to the top through sheer fanaticism.
I love these guys.
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My three would be;-
Angelo Matthews - great allrounder
Misbahul Haq - performs consistently in an inconsistent team
The New Zealand bowling attack - swinging pace attack all of which bowl a heavy ball
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Sangakkara ( SL) is the most underrated player in my opinion. Averages 57 runs in test cricket and he was the keeper for a good majority of that. Another point that is worth noting, 57 is higher than Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara.
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Sangakkara ( SL) is the most underrated player in my opinion. Averages 57 runs in test cricket and he was the keeper for a good majority of that. Another point that is worth noting, 57 is higher than Ponting, Tendulkar and Lara.
Anyone can boost their averages on the pathetic pitches Sri Lanka prepare.
Sangakkara averages 62 in Asia with 27 hundreds.
He averages 44 outside Asia with only 6 hundreds. That's boosted by 287 against Zimbabwe.
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AB De Villiers for me. Can play every form of cricket and can still get his head down to make a big score...
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AB De Villiers for me. Can play every form of cricket and can still get his head down to make a big score...
Really? I think everyone at my club loves AB and rates him highly... Not sure what commentators think about him as I rarely get to watch cricket live, but I'm not so sure they don't rate him either...
Rahul Dravid gets my vote as the most underrated international player, probably just the case in India though, where he was outshone by the likes of Sachin and Sehwag... The way he played in the series when India were whitewashed in England was superb!
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AB De Villiers for me. Can play every form of cricket and can still get his head down to make a big score...
I don't think AB is underrated. Everywhere he plays they love him. He's the star attraction of the current Proteas batsmen, along with Hashim Amla.
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I don't think AB is underrated. Everywhere he plays they love him. He's the star attraction of the current Proteas batsmen, along with Hashim Amla.
May be in South Africa but if you listen to the English press its all Amla and Kallis... Was Smith and Dale Steyn in previous years. Glad he is appreciated in SA however I just wish he didnt have to wickey because if he had time to just concentrate on batting then he could well become as good as what Amla has. (in my opinion ;))
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Really? I think everyone at my club loves AB and rates him highly... Not sure what commentators think about him as I rarely get to watch cricket live, but I'm not so sure they don't rate him either...
Rahul Dravid gets my vote as the most underrated international player, probably just the case in India though, where he was outshone by the likes of Sachin and Sehwag... The way he played in the series when India were whitewashed in England was superb!
Ha!! Its amazing because if you speak to people like David Lloyd and Nassar Hussain they will tell you he was one of the best batsman ever that could adapt to playing on all continents. They never under estimated him in England.
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I think he's just as good a batsman is he was before he was wicket-keeping! I don't know about him becoming as good as Amla in terms of technique and all, but he's just got an incredible eye for the ball, very athletic and one of the best fielders in the game. I really loved watching him bat in the IPL. (The only cricket I get to watch thanks to not having Sky Sports!)
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May be in South Africa but if you listen to the English press its all Amla and Kallis... Was Smith and Dale Steyn in previous years. Glad he is appreciated in SA however I just wish he didnt have to wickey because if he had time to just concentrate on batting then he could well become as good as what Amla has. (in my opinion ;))
I think with AB's back issues and the blooding of Quinton de Kock, AB's keeping days might be over soon.
With the lack of quality spinner, AB's keeping gets JP Duminy into the side. So it's beneficial for Smith at present.
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I think with AB's back issues and the blooding of Quinton de Kock, AB's keeping days might be over soon.
With the lack of quality spinner, AB's keeping gets JP Duminy into the side. So it's beneficial for Smith at present.
Chad thinks there has been little difference in his batting since taking over the gloves but i think that after being behind the stumps for a long time and then going out to bat (after a few early wickets have fallen) AB has perhaps not looked his fluid self. Just my opinion though Chad :)
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Chad thinks there has been little difference in his batting since taking over the gloves but i think that after being behind the stumps for a long time and then going out to bat (after a few early wickets have fallen) AB has perhaps not looked his fluid self. Just my opinion though Chad :)
AB's averaging nearly 51 when he plays as keeper in Tests, but it is effecting his footwork.
AB's such a team guy that he'll do anything.
But if de Kock's good enough, I'm happy for AB to ditch the gloves.
As present the number 7 spot is up for grabs. Elgar, Duminy, maybe McLaren as an all rounder or de Kock.
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David Miller seems to be quite underrated before the SL tour !
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David Miller seems to be quite underrated before the SL tour !
Agreed! Can't believe he has been batting at 7 & 8 in some games, complete waste of talent.
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hashim amla is an amazing talent , scores runs for fun and possibly the best batter in the world at the moment
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May be in South Africa but if you listen to the English press its all Amla and Kallis... Was Smith and Dale Steyn in previous years. Glad he is appreciated in SA however I just wish he didnt have to wickey because if he had time to just concentrate on batting then he could well become as good as what Amla has. (in my opinion ;))
completely incorrect. I don't know anyone who doesn't want to see ABdV. Yes Amla is scary and Kallis is a legend but to say the press don't go on about him is so wrong it's laughable. SA have quality in Amla, Kallis, AB, Steyn and Morkal.. then philanderer as well and they all get the headlines. I for one would rush to see any of them, especially the first 4 in that list.
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Miller should bat at 6, not 7,8 !
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Agreed! Can't believe he has been batting at 7 & 8 in some games, complete waste of talent.
It wasn't that David Miller's underrated.
The names ahead of him are better.
Smith and Kallis' absence made a spot available for Miller and he's taken it with both hands.
When Smith returns - Faf, de Kock and Behardien are under pressure to retain their places.
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Faf definitely wont be underpressure retaining his place !
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Faf definitely wont be underpressure retaining his place !
Faf needs to improve his output in ODIs.
He's currently only averaging 27. He's a lot better than that.
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Id have to agree with right arm rapid.
If Elton Chigumbura, Hamilton masakadza, brendan taylor, kyle jarvis, nathan waller, sean williams and brian vitori had grown up in aus or eng they'd be top class!!
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Luke Wright
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Yeah Luke Wright is pretty underrated, but he plays so well !
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Kyle Jarvis is a very good shout, pretty much carries the Zimbabwe attack on his own.
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I felt Kabir Ali was underrated for his one test he had for England back in the day
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Graham Onions, probably one of the best bowlers around
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Graham Onions, probably one of the best bowlers around
Second that. Can't believe he hasn't got more games - not sure what more he can do to force his way in.
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I watched a video of MoYo the other day.
He was/is a quality player who could really bat beautifully.
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I watched a video of MoYo the other day.
He was/is a quality player who could really bat beautifully.
He wasn't really underrated though, everyone knows he's top drawer
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He wasn't really underrated though, everyone knows he's top drawer
I think he was underrated in terms of his contemporary great players.