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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => CA => Topic started by: Gingerbusiness on September 30, 2013, 03:44:21 PM
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Hi All,
Just to let you know a bit of background;
This is the second CA 12000 TRD I have brought from this company, and I was very pleased with the first.
The bat has all the taletale signs of being a TRD, including toe guard and holograms
However, everything which I know about bats is shouting at me that this is a fake. I spent £175 on this bat and I trusted the owner to pick me out a good'un like the last one, though it will be going back because I use 2lb9/2lb10 and this is 2lb7.
I wanted the thought of the masses before it goes back.
(http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8889/ytr1.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img34/3545/l7rn.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4688/yicj.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img822/4893/gkvs.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img842/4496/qm51.jpg)
Cheers all.
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Out of interest, why do you think it's a fake? The holograms are a good indicator that it's legit...
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I'm no expert on CA bats but i do rebind the handles on a number of brand new ones imported from back home by Pakistanis living in Peterborough, they bring them to me still in the plastic wrap and ask me to sort the binding out.
The sticker on the edges looks wrong to me. There also should be a circular (i think hologramed) sticker depicting a bat mallet carrying the words 'fully knocked' on the front of the bat, which is not there. The 'A' sticker on the back also seems poorly applied.
Does the grip have a contrast coloured ribbon where you put the top hand, with CA branding? Does the toe guard say TRD?
All of this seems quite typical of CA bats though, poor finishing, sticker inaccuracies and weight discrepancies, not sure how anyone can 100% say it is fake when there is so much variation in the genuine product. On the other side, the willow looks good.
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Hi All,
Just to let you know a bit of background;
This is the second CA 12000 TRD I have brought from this company, and I was very pleased with the first.
The bat has all the taletale signs of being a TRD, including toe guard and holograms
However, everything which I know about bats is shouting at me that this is a fake. I spent £175 on this bat and I trusted the owner to pick me out a good'un like the last one, though it will be going back because I use 2lb9/2lb10 and this is 2lb7.
I wanted the thought of the masses before it goes back.
([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img46/8889/ytr1.jpg[/url])
([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img34/3545/l7rn.jpg[/url])
([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img543/4688/yicj.jpg[/url])
([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img822/4893/gkvs.jpg[/url])
([url]http://imageshack.us/a/img842/4496/qm51.jpg[/url])
Cheers all.
Another way of finding out is to call CA or email them and ask if they have supplied CA bats to the company you bought it from
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Not too sure but even I think it might be fake. CA TRDs and CA 15000 + are very beautiful cosmetically, no blemishes and for sure more than 9 grains usually without any blemishes. Did bat come with barcode stickers, if it has just verify the bar code on CA website online and you can check the authenticity.
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I bet it's not 2.7 either. Something tells me that weight isn't fully dressed...
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it looks like some stickers have been removed from the back, sort of shadow/imprint left behind.
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Link with some details to check CA TRD LE -
http://cawears.com/cricket/pdetail.php?catid=213&parent=95&pid=75 (http://cawears.com/cricket/pdetail.php?catid=213&parent=95&pid=75)
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This does look a fake, the stickering on the front just looks wrong. The TRD sticker is way to low. Also as mentioned earlier, the TRD is a top line bat, there should be no blemishes at all.
Check this video out, it is a original TRD at all angles.
I hope you work it all out mate.
CA Plus 12000 TRD Bat.AVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09kdh9BH4Pw#)
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CA 12000+ and CA 10000+ usually come with Pink grips.
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The grip DOES have the two tone grip and the toe DOES say TRD. This is why it through me - but as you say, the finish does not seem as good as my original CA 12000 TRD.
I just wasnt sure guys. For Grade one, the willow has a few marks and is knotted - but honestly, what is grade 1...
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Was this off eBay or not I only trust one guy on eBay and that is batman cricket nick a good chap
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(http://i1265.photobucket.com/albums/jj513/simonmay5/image-23.jpg) (http://s1265.photobucket.com/user/simonmay5/media/image-23.jpg.html)
Surely the bar code should be scratched off to get certificate
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I had exactly the same thing with a Plus 15000 albeit the bat itself was pretty good and had clean straight grains. Was this seller registered as being in Dubai by any chance?
The stickers will be the biggest give away if you compare them to your previous bat. Mine had a 15000 branded toe guard as well.
The cosmetics and lack of detail to sticker application alone would suggest this is not genuine.
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I'm sorry but it is a genuine CA, however, a counterfeit CA 12000 TRD LE.
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I'm sorry but it is a genuine CA, however, a counterfeit CA 12000 TRD LE.
I agree with Cover_Drive, it looks more like a CA 10000+. Seller might be making few ectra bucks by selling it as TRD
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I guess if you compare my genuine TRD, you can just tell the quality over one than the other
(http://imageshack.us/a/img600/4073/epry.jpg)
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we have actual photos of the stock we carry, you can see the quality of what 12000 TRD should look like
http://uzisports.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65_77_106&product_id=130 (http://uzisports.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=65_77_106&product_id=130)
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I'm sorry but it is a genuine CA, however, a counterfeit CA 12000 TRD LE.
Completely plausible. So all the markings and reflective sticks with emblems are correct but the original top stickers removed and a higher grade set (possibly fake) ones applied.
There seem to be lots of "CA made, MB Made, Ihsan made" blanks on ebay.
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The bat looks like a CA but not the TRD the TRD sticker is lower on the bat and it has not got good or fair grains
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I have a genuine TRD for sale if anyone wants one I bought from Assad at Uzi sports part knocked in never used in a net or game I ill post pics in the for sale section tomorrow if I find the time.
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It's 100% a CA, just not a TRD. As many have said the TRD sticker is too low on the face.
I doubt it is a CA plus 10000 either as all the Plus 10000's i've seen have been very nice cosmetically,Plus 8000 and Plus 5000 have the CA branding stamped differently to this bat, my guess is it's a Plus Extra power with the 12000 stickers. I quite like the look of the bat but its not a Plus 12000.
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Just received this email;
"Sorry for a late reply. I've spoken to my supplier and he assured me the bat is 100% original, I never had any complaints about CA bats in the past as I'm in Birmingham and supplier shipped it straight to your address I didn't know the actual condition of the bat.
Well Its my duty to fulfil your demands. I can offer you a 40% discount on the price you have paid."
If this is actually the case, I'm worried the supplier is lying to him. What do you think?
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All of the genuine TRD's I have seen have the CA branding on the edges down much lower towards the toe... Almost level with the bottom of the A on the back sticker
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They should probably start burning 'TRD' into their edges, just to stop this from happening. Still, a 40% discount means that you got a bat for around £105, and if it responds well and picks up fine, then maybe take up his offer on it! :)
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If it responds well enough off the mallet, I'd keep it.
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This thread has got me questioning my CA Plus 15000. As I said previously I bought one last year from eBay which turned out to be fake. That seller was registered in Dubai and used to ship direct from Pakistan. He too seemed oblivious to the concept of a fake CA.
My latest one was also from eBay and I had watched a few of this CA Plus 15000s before and waited for the buyers to write reviews. All positive. He is based in the UK and this one was shipped from the UK but does have some listings however where the location is shown as Pakistan.
It has all the hall marks (that I know of), of a CA Plus 15000:
1. The reflective CA / VIP stickers
2. The green CA branded scale grip
3. 15000 toe guard
4. Burnt on edge stamps
5. CA booklet and anti scuff
Even has the verification code sticker. Albeit it was scratched and registered. Also looks like the sticker has been removed and reapplied.
The bat looks pretty nice. 10 Clean straight grains but the quality of the stickers was/ is the biggest sticking point for me. I know the 2013 embossed ones are pretty good and earlier ones weren't known for their quality (this one is 2012) but some of the printing is blurred.
Here are some pics. Would appreciate thoughts....
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/9fb156957be849cda76921661259b893_zpse0413ecb.jpg)(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/fef67b2a849fbf0fa2fb69ea421e4c1a_zps25813bce.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/2495e6b2ff0559987b1b23c08f947e28_zpse13a3330.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/b75faa20cf627bbe7b04aa9ff1d189fd_zps4b76a196.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/9621903faab46ecd02b70aca2f4d455f_zps65551be0.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/049f80ce6757d739d5fa6038ce216b87_zps7459710b.jpg)
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Just put it this way...
Ill swap ya!! ;)
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I have a sneaking suspicion that is a fake too
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Hologram sticker in the wrong spot, where it says English willow on the splice the w in willow shouldn't run onto the green colour.
The 1 on the back sticker shouldn't run onto the colour and that colour should be green
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The hologram looks to have been lifted from another bat. It is positioned in the wrong place, only 10000 and 12000 bats have the hologram there, and even then they sit parallel with the edges, so the big CA sticker and the 'CA' in the hologram are lined up. This hologram follows the curve of the 'c' suggesting foul play.
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Just put it this way...
Ill swap ya!! ;)
This is the thing.... It pings!!! The Williow isn't bad at all
I have a sneaking suspicion that is a fake too
Hologram sticker in the wrong spot, where it says English willow on the splice the w in willow shouldn't run onto the tree colour.
The 1 on the back sticker shouldn't run onto the colour and that colour should be green
The hologram looks to have been lifted from another bat. It is positioned in the wrong place, only 10000 and 12000 bats have the hologram there, and even then they sit parallel with the edges, so the big CA sticker and the 'CA' in the hologram are lined up. This hologram follows the curve of the 'c' suggesting foul play.
Again suggesting potentially a genuine CA just not a 15000. Frustrating thing is the changes over the last couple of years and the all round inconsistencies mean it's never a clear cut case. I've said to the seller I will take pics of this bat with one I know is genuine from the same year of make.
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Sorry to hijack the thread somewhat but does anyone own a CA Plus 15000 from 2012 and would be willing to provide pics for comparison?
Everyone I know with one has the one with silver "CA" stickers the embossed 2013 stickers.
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Another thing I noticed that is missing is the registered mark ®
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Sorry to hijack the thread somewhat but does anyone own a CA Plus 15000 from 2012 and would be willing to provide pics for comparison?
Everyone I know with one has the one with silver "CA" stickers the embossed 2013 stickers.
is this thread anygood
[url=http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=17876.msg288358#msg288358]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=17876.msg288358#msg288358 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=17876.msg288358#msg288358)[/url]
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you can check on the Ca website if it's genuine or not by adding the code on the bat
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Thanks for that, it's useful however I think I may have answered my own question. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but there have only ever been two sticker designs for the 15000. The initial release had Silver "CA" and "15000" and the revision has them in gold, embossed and a different "fully knocked" sticker.
You can see the two bats side by side in the pic below although the silver and gold may not be that apparent:
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/2e30d1f5abbb6fee0f2bd1a77a31b9a4_zpsd95e922c.jpg)
Silver:
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/e0dcd7f9382140edc64c073eae862052_zpsa4ca7a71.jpg)
Gold embossed:
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/f6a22e60f049cadc46081753fa661acc_zpsf477da9a.jpg)
And then the one I have, it has both Gold (CA) and silver (15000). I don't think this was every done by CA???
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/9fb156957be849cda76921661259b893_zpse0413ecb.jpg)
They're Defo getting better at trying to fake these but clearly don't pay attention to detail!
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you can check on the Ca website if it's genuine or not by adding the code on the bat
Seemingly they're able to fake this somehow as well.
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Don't you think the best solution is to buy from a approved seller in UK(there are quite a few who stocks CA). At least we won't be asking if the bat is fake.
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True.
I blame CA to a point too. I'm sure people could do this with GN, GM, Kookaburra etc. but it is the control on stickers which has to change.
The fake stickers are very good quality, which makes me think they are real, but the model of CA doesn't match.
All I know is that I won't be doing it again!
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Don't you think the best solution is to buy from a approved seller in UK(there are quite a few who stocks CA). At least we won't be asking if the bat is fake.
I don't disagree but there always bargains to be had on eBay. Invariably what seems like a bargain isn't quite a bargain after all. I didn't pay anywhere near the price a CA plus 15000 would be from a UK retailer. But I think I have a case to put to eBay.
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True.
I blame CA to a point too. I'm sure people could do this with GN, GM, Kookaburra etc. but it is the control on stickers which has to change.
The fake stickers are very good quality, which makes me think they are real, but the model of CA doesn't match.
All I know is that I won't be doing it again!
i agree with you. It is very easy to get hold of stickers and other authentication material in sub continent so bats look like they are original.How can a bat be cheaper than the actual trade price. we get huge amount of calls from sellers in UK to sell us CA and few other brands at rediculously cheap prices. As soon as we start questioning them they either put the phone or come up with some unbelievable stories.
All i say if you want the original stuff , plz buy it from a retailer and if in doubt you can check with the manufacturer if they have supplied goods to that retailer.
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I bought a CA bat which had Test and Plus stickers on it. (Can't remember which way round, but it was Plus on one side and Test on the other.) I don't doubt that it was an authentic CA 5000, the wood did look good and it responded well, was a fairly CA-like profile without much concaving at all, but the stickers were just applied wrongly. I think what CA may do is sell bats to these people at lower prices, since they are 'faulty', and maybe it's just a bother to correct them, who knows!
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I don't disagree but there always bargains to be had on eBay. Invariably what seems like a bargain isn't quite a bargain after all. I didn't pay anywhere near the price a CA plus 15000 would be from a UK retailer. But I think I have a case to put to eBay.
Yet the lad who started this thread could of had a genuine trd from Asad for £50 more than what he paid. And to be honest his first 'genuine' trd doesn't look that great as well.
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I don't disagree but there always bargains to be had on eBay. Invariably what seems like a bargain isn't quite a bargain after all. I didn't pay anywhere near the price a CA plus 15000 would be from a UK retailer. But I think I have a case to put to eBay.
I wouldn't call them bargains if they are fakes... Would you?
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I wouldn't call them bargains if they are fakes... Would you?
...Invariably what seems like a bargain isn't quite a bargain after all...
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I mean I've sold bats at a loss where people have picked up a bargain and I've bought bats far cheaper than they would retail = bargain. Sometimes the gamble pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Such is life.
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Spoke to a friend this morning (who I know has a genuine 15000) about borrowing it to take some pics for comparison... Frustratingly he told me he is now considering selling his. If only I knew that before... He's asked me to stick it on eBay for him...
Here are some pics which quote clearly show the difference in quality of stickers. (I knew the latest were pretty good but never really paid much attention to detail until now)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/e160a8dce0fe2de2c4b03ceae5d67b90_zps79de4602.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/e29ee56532673530201134b24be3af18_zps9d11657a.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/4af7f588cbedcd3e18675649e65868c9_zps1948aa0a.jpg)
(http://i321.photobucket.com/albums/nn370/jaanse/92e25b5d3e98c9883a5367a58871bf22_zpsef917565.jpg)
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I mean I've sold bats at a loss where people have picked up a bargain and I've bought bats far cheaper than they would retail = bargain. Sometimes the gamble pays off, sometimes it doesn't. Such is life.
What about the time you spend in hunting down these bargains, contacting the eBay sellers, taking photos, posting them on here, generally agonising about their authenticity etc. How valuable is this time for you? Even if you can save a few pennies, how many hours have you lost in the process? Is time not money?!
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The cheapest way to buys these bats is from CA direct anyway. One 15000 costs £169 shipped.
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What about the time you spend in hunting down these bargains, contacting the eBay sellers, taking photos, posting them on here, generally agonising about their authenticity etc. How valuable is this time for you? Even if you can save a few pennies, how many hours have you lost in the process? Is time not money?!
There are bigger things in life than money, it is just a material means to an end.
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The cheapest way to buys these bats is from CA direct anyway. One 15000 costs £169 shipped.
Really?!
How would I go about this?
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The cheapest way to buys these bats is from CA direct anyway. One 15000 costs £169 shipped.
I doubt this is possible - not for that price anyway...
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Well, that's what CA quoted me. This includes the bat and shipping price. I'm not sure on the probability of paying VAT on the bat, as the only bat I've ordered from India/Pakistan had no extra charges.
hamza@ca-sports.com.pk
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I was gonna say.
I'd have two! :D
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Well, that's what CA quoted me. This includes the bat and shipping price. I'm not sure on the probability of paying VAT on the bat, as the only bat I've ordered from India/Pakistan had no extra charges.
hamza@ca-sports.com.pk
Did you pose as a retailer or something?! Price seems strangely low. Also, I bet they didn't mention import duties, which will almost certainly have to be paid. Not sure exactly how much this would be, but it all adds up...
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I understand why you are questioning me to this extent because you have business interests at stake, especially since most UK shops sell these bats at around £300. There are also guys who are selling these bats, probably paying no VAT for £200ish.
I know CA normally sell these bats for a similar price even in bulk orders, which are supposed to be £3k+, however they will sell you one, or several bats at the mentioned prices (or below).
Also, with large bulk orders you are almost guaranteed to pay import duty and VAT, whereas on small orders, there is a good chance you will probably not pay anything.
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In other news, the guy who sold me the CA has refunded me a large chunk of my money so the bat cost me £60 shipped.
I could have returned for a full refund, but I need a net bat - and any CA for £60 is reasonable.
I am not condoning counterfeit items btw. I just want to make that clear :)
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I understand why you are questioning me to this extent because you have business interests at stake, especially since most UK shops sell these bats at around £300. There are also guys who are selling these bats, probably paying no VAT for £200ish.
I know CA normally sell these bats for a similar price even in bulk orders, which are supposed to be £3k+, however they will sell you one, or several bats at the mentioned prices (or below).
Also, with large bulk orders you are almost guaranteed to pay import duty and VAT, whereas on small orders, there is a good chance you will probably not pay anything.
That's where the problem is with CA and may other brands who sell direct. No one wants to become distributor of these companies. Believe me, people have tried in past but failed for this particular reason. Most of the big brands from India don't sell direct.
For buying direct , you won't get after sale customer service plus you don't know what you are going to get. If bat develops a manufacturing fault, r u going to send it back as I know CA doesn't offer that.
Also if they declare the parcel as sample ( to avoid VAT), there is a high chance of bats getting drilled by custom.
the reason we sell bats at the prices you have mentiones becaus we pay VAT, Custom Charges and also have premises(rent etc...)
At the end of the days choice is urs
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Indeed, thanks for your insight. I think the majority of people will take a risk, if there is a risk at all, however some people would rather be completely safe and cover any bases like you say.
The whole Asian bat debate is interesting, but because of the difference in the respective countries markets, you can make huge savings as a consumer if you buy direct. Of course this has a negative effect on our own countries economic interests, but in the larger picture our country engages in offshore outsourcing and importing of goods on multiple levels (Gov, industry, ect) anyway.
What do you mean by drilled and why would customs do this?
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Indeed, thanks for your insight. I think the majority of people will take a risk, if there is a risk at all, however some people would rather be completely safe and cover any bases like you say.
The whole Asian bat debate is interesting, but because of the difference in the respective countries markets, you can make huge savings as a consumer if you buy direct. Of course this has a negative effect on our own countries economic interests, but in the larger picture our country engages in offshore outsourcing and importing of goods on multiple levels (Gov, industry, ect) anyway.
What do you mean by drilled and why would customs do this?
If I was the owner of CA, I won't sell direct and have proper /authorised agents in the countries. This way we won't see many fakes but there are many other ways to stop fakes appearing the market. CA is one of the best brand from Pakistan and the owner is a close friend of mine. If they sell direct what is the point of us retailers keeping their brand and this will be discussed when I visit Pakistan in few months time.
The custom will do it as it has been declared Sample and I know that people do that in order not to pay any VAT/Custom.
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What do you mean by drilled and why would customs do this?
When bats come in small shipments, and for some reason particularly from Pakistan. Customs seem to think they may be hollow and contain drugs, so the drill holes in them to make sure.
They thens end them on to you with little regard that they have just killed the bat.
You will receive no compensation for this either, it's just something you have to accept in the fight against drug smuggling.
There's been a few threads regarding drilled bats recently.