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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: jwebber86 on November 25, 2013, 08:49:04 AM
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jonothan trott is taking an extended break from international cricket.
i wondering if this means they will put ian bell at 3 and have root and bairstow at 5 and 6 will be interesting to see
http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/current/story/692405.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/the-ashes-2013-14/content/current/story/692405.html)
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Really feel for the guy. Depression and stress related problems in general are a serious issue. Just because someone is physically fine, doesn't mean they're mentally fine. Hope he recovers well.
By the sounds of it, management knew he's been struggling with it for a while. If that's the case, why didn't someone pull him aside sooner?
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clearly 'long standing' from the reports on BBC-it's just been kept with the England camp
he will need professional help to get back on track but as with tresco,he may never play for England again.
i think myself if you look at the microscope these players are under it's no wonder the stress and pressure gets to them.
whilst the old players may not understand(boycott was critical of trescothink) they did not play under the modern day pressure and all the press were their mates back in the day.....
hope trotty recovers he's been an excellent player for England
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If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to
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If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to
too right they do - why send someone on tour if they are not up to scratch........ or did the short stuff from Mitch tip him over the edge.
I think this is going to turn into a nasty and very entertaining ashes series - can't wait for the next test.
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If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to
I am certain that he wasn't forced to go on the tour and would have been in constant discussion with management about his condition.
too right they do - why send someone on tour if they are not up to scratch........ or did the short stuff from Mitch tip him over the edge.
I suspect that the latter is the case.
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If that's really the case then management has a lot to answer to
What you have to remember is that the England backroom staff is one of the best in the business. They would have been confident that their sports psych was good enough to deal with it. I would hazard a guess that he's got even further down on himself after the test match, and decided that it isn't worth it for the time being. He's been horribly found out, and I suspect that being the intense character that he is, has realised that his mental state has contributed to his technical deficiency! I wouldn't lay the blame at the management's door, and I wouldn't lay it at Trott's either. After reading Tres' book, I can see why he's taken this view!
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For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.
Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.
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Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.
I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.
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What you have to remember is that the England backroom staff is one of the best in the business. They would have been confident that their sports psych was good enough to deal with it. I would hazard a guess that he's got even further down on himself after the test match, and decided that it isn't worth it for the time being. He's been horribly found out, and I suspect that being the intense character that he is, has realised that his mental state has contributed to his technical deficiency! I wouldn't lay the blame at the management's door, and I wouldn't lay it at Trott's either. After reading Tres' book, I can see why he's taken this view!
If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?
Duty of care comes to mind...
For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.
Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.
This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that
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If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?
Duty of care comes to mind...
Comes back to how is it managed and what does the individual want? We have no idea how Warwickshire, England or his own personal medical staff have worked with him to deal with it, so statements like this are less than helpful. I suspect that it's unlikely to be a case of months, either. I suspect that it is a lot longer period of time.
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If they were the best in the business and have known about this for months as they said they did then why not rest him leading up to this series?
Duty of care comes to mind...
This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that
I certainly wasn't blaming Warner in the slightest, I was just saying that hearing something like that from anyone in the public arena would be devastating to hear. Sorry mate, don't think I was clear on that!
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This certainly isn't Warner's fault...ridiculous to even think that
Quite; aside from anything mention has been made of his issues going back to the end of the last Ashes (when, incidentally, he scored enough runs to make it pretty clear that this is not a performance related issue). Warner may be a bit of an oik but he's within his rights to look for any advantage he can find - lets face it, he's been playing in a side getting annihalated for some time now, seeking to push on is hardly unreasonable. The only thing that bugs me is, he's not one to take it when its dished back at him...
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Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.
I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.
I think part of it might be that he sets himself very high standards. Huge respect for the guy.
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yeah echo that trypewriter
it takes guts to admit you have a problem,you can see by his methods at the crease he's perhaps not the most easy going guy in the world,he's known to be an intense character
Personally I think the criticism on these boards of the ECB is off the mark,the support around the England team these days is top class,and he will now get everything he needs to HOPEFULLY resume his career.....
this test series has ignited and England will now be under pressue and a test of character awaits....
there is of course the possibility his career with England is over just like Tresco
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this test series has ignited and England will now be under pressue and a test of character awaits....
there is of course the possibility his career with England is over just like Tresco
Interesting comments. Neither Tresco/Yardy have made an appearance in an England shirt again.
Certainly is a test of character. The senior guys need to step up and get stuck into Australia.
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going into bat with everyone expecting you to get 50 or 100 is not easy. It creates a lot of pressure, when you fail you feel like you have lot a lot of people down. Fail a few times and you start to doubt yourself and your own ability. The cycle gets worse until you actually dont want to play cricket any more.
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these blokes are human just like the rest of us.
we feel the pressure playing club cricket(at least I do)
going out to bat at the start of the innings,you know everyone is looking at you, 'if we get a good start we will be ok'
and all that stuff
yes they are professionals with team support around them but sometimes that dont matter
Trott needs to clear his head and get help.
England fans(us) kow he has done well for us and we like him as a player-he's been our rock and we want him back.
But personally I feel he will not return just like pointed out above-Yardy and Tresco.
In any walk of like you put yourself first and look after Number 1
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going into bat with everyone expecting you to get 50 or 100 is not easy. It creates a lot of pressure, when you fail you feel like you have lot a lot of people down. Fail a few times and you start to doubt yourself and your own ability. The cycle gets worse until you actually dont want to play cricket any more.
agree. It wears you down and you stop enjoying it. While I wouldn't say I have been in that situation for long, there have been spells where my team were so poor that me and a couple of others have carried the team. Knowing if you get out or fail the game is over as a contest isn't wonderful for your state of mind. Most of us cope with it but times that by 100 for test match cricket and it must be pretty hard to deal with. Not sure where I read it, but much of the England mental training is about relaxing and playing as pressure free as possible.
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Does the English tradition of stiff upper lip ,the stereotypical masculinity play a role of increasing mental health illness among British sport personalities or is it becoming more apparent because of the likes Trescothick becoming open mindedness has encouraged many to come forward ?.
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Sad to see him leave with depression related issues.. I feel for these guys..
Living in India, I can tell you that the captain of the Indian cricket team is more in the news than the Prime Minister, and hence crazy expectations and pressure.
This is one cricket crazy nation!
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Mental illness never really goes away. It has to be managed. Trott will to some extent will always have this problem, so just giving up cricket isn't an option. The management would of had detailed discussions with Trott over going/not going but sometimes you have to be placed under stress to find out. Only so much talking on the couch and medication will help. Scoring runs might of eased things and you wonder whether he would of gone home if he scored a daddy hundred at Brisbane. Who knows.
I wonder if Stokes might be lined up or perhaps Ballance. For me Bairstow has been ignored for a reason. The next practise game might be very interesting. I would'nt be surprised to see a very pumped up England XI.
I feel I can comment on this as I have struggled with mental illness over the last 2 years. It was triggered by a series of traumatic events in my life and cricket is my escape - I can only imagine the pain Trott is feeling if cricket has become the trigger. What I would say to people is that, unless you have experienced depression, you never really understand how bad it is - and I am speaking from personal experience.
It can be controlled - It might have come at the wrong time for him, it might have just been too much after the previous series. It is very much a personal choice as to whether he will feel like playing or not.
All I know, regardless of cricket battlelines, everyone should be behind him - because right now, he will be going through hell.
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For someone who is going through a mental issue, I can tell you now the last thing he needs for some two bit thug like Warner coming out and saying he is 'weak' at a press conference, would have no doubt shattered him.
Really feel for the guy, and hope he gets back to normal ASAP.
More like the much celebrated ex captain Michael Vaughan going to town over how bad the 2 innings were.... i think his comments would have cut deeper than warners.
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micheal vaughan on BBC has now said he regrets his remarks...
it was OTT and there are so many ex players on the gravy train they all have to say something.
Trott has long standing issues so it's probably not the comments of Warner or Vaughan which is the reason
but the ramping up of the pressure by the media is far too much.
These pro's are just normal blokes like the rest of us with exceptional talent.
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are there examples of professional sports men (or women) from other countries having these issues?
I cannot believe that the UK is the only place where people have stress - or is it in other jurisdictions the truth doesn't come out?
I feel really sorry for Trott, this is pretty bad. hopefully we will be able to go from #trottsfault to #winitfortrotty
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Robert Enke, the German goalkeeper, parked his car on a rail track.
It's good to know that the England players can be confident enough to admit their issues and take steps to deal with them. It reflects well on the ECB that, on the face of it, they are understanding enough to not just tell him to pull himself together.
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Some years ago I remember Stan Collymore calling Rad5 to discuss it before his problem had become common knowledge. Very moving and also insightful.
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Would he have been dropped anyway, though? Let's face it, although he still has a good Test batting average, his form has been abysmal of late, and the Aussies have clearly found him out. It's very sad news for Trott, but might actually help England I feel...
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Trott could have made 6 ducks in a row and not been dropped he has that much good will in the bank.
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Sad news indeed, sounds like he's reached a breaking point in his life that's too much to cope with at the moment.
I think next year he should come and play Sunday afternoon friendlies with my team and learn how to enjoy playing again out of the spotlight. ;)
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Gary Speed was very sudden and very tragic, nobody could see that coming at all. A lot of hate in social media about Trott being a wuss etc. the world we live in can sometimes be a hideous place. Hope he gets the help he needs as on form he's a class act.
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Listened to a very interesting show on Radio 4 over the weekend about the "stiff upper lip"...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hw44y (http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01hw44y)
Yes, let's hope some respite and recovery can assist Mr Trott and he can benefit from a break from the pressures of international sport and come back refreshed next season. With all of these issues (speaking from my thankfully limited experience with assisting others who have suffered mental health issues) people's background and experiences, their tolerances to external factors, degrees of suffering, variables such as exposure to and the ability to absorb different factors / challenges, etc., all have an effect and, as such, although given a similar "title", it isn't as simple to compare Trott's issues with those of Tresco and The Yardage. As such, and the fact that mental health issues can either be resolved, coped with or successfully managed, I'm pretty certain that Trott will make a 'recovery' and a return to the England set up. I certainly hope so. Best of luck to him. And a little bit of work on his technique and options to the short ball would also help!
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I can't believe there are people on here who believe that depressive illness is a bit like the 'pressure' they feel being expected to score 50 or 100 runs for their club cricket team. :o
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I can't believe there are people on here who believe that depressive illness is a bit like the 'pressure' they feel being expected to score 50 or 100 runs for their club cricket team. :o
I don't think pressure itself, but how it makes you think is what was being discussed. It can act certainly act as a trigger for depression, as can over work. Many things or a combination of things over a period of time can cause it. It's not that simple and each individual is different.
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How are England not calling anyone up?
Our batting line up is not performing and we are going to have to add a rookie in Ballance or a failed number 6 in Bairstow to our weak line up
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This is the third incident when an English player returned home in the mid of a foreign tour with stress related illness. I didn't heard any player from any other nation suffering with this illness even though all go through high level of stress and expectations from their home crowd. This does raise serious question on the conditions under which these players got this illness. Does the English setup is more focussed on the performance rather than creating an environment where players could enjoy their game and play freely?
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How are England not calling anyone up?
Our batting line up is not performing and we are going to have to add a rookie in Ballance or a failed number 6 in Bairstow to our weak line up
A bit harsh to write Bairstow off as a failure already, I feel. That said, I wouldn't feel that confident were he to replace Trott in the next Test.
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How are England not calling anyone up?
Our batting line up is not performing and we are going to have to add a rookie in Ballance or a failed number 6 in Bairstow to our weak line up
Who would they call up? A failed opener in Compton, a failed middle order in Ravi or Samit? Or another rookie?
Please note, I used 'failed' in the same way the previous does about Bairstow.
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This is the third incident when an English player returned home in the mid of a foreign tour with stress related illness. I didn't heard any player from any other nation suffering with this illness even though all go through high level of stress and expectations from their home crowd. This does raise serious question on the conditions under which these players got this illness. Does the English setup is more focussed on the performance rather than creating an environment where players could enjoy their game and play freely?
Although it is not quite the same, there are always retirees. The one I can think of is Martyn in 05 Ashes.
Perhaps it is because the English have a better way of finding and managing this illness that it is more well known (nb speculation).
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How are England not calling anyone up?
Our batting line up is not performing and we are going to have to add a rookie in Ballance or a failed number 6 in Bairstow to our weak line up
Bairstow, Ballance or Stokes on the tour or call up Compton, Bopara, Taylor or Morgan in my opinion. Problem is I dont think they have been training, could be wrong. Was talk of Jim Allenby maybe ?
Or a batsmen from the EPP squad - M.Ali, Chopra, Buttler, Robson or Vince. Bit to early though I reckon.
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Martyn retired at the age of 35 when there was pressure on him to perform with Watson and hodge waiting to take his spot. He went on to play ICL and IPL in India.
Trott is just 32 and all these cases happened in a tour on a foreign soil when the player is away from his family.
Different boards have different policies regarding travelling with family on a trip abroad. What does English board regulations say in this regard?
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Bairstow, Ballance or Stokes on the tour or call up Compton, Bopara, Taylor or Morgan in my opinion. Problem is I dont think they have been training, could be wrong. Was talk of Jim Allenby maybe ?
Or a batsmen from the EPP squad - M.Ali, Chopra, Buttler, Robson or Vince. Bit to early though I reckon.
Jesus, calling Robson up for an away Ashes series when England are 1-0 would destroy the poor lad bearing in mind the stick he'll get from all comers for being an Australian!
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Martyn retired at the age of 35 when there was pressure on him to perform with Watson and hodge waiting to take his spot. He went on to play ICL and IPL in India.
Trott is just 32 and all these cases happened in a tour on a foreign soil when the player is away from his family.
Different boards have different policies regarding travelling with family on a trip abroad. What does English board regulations say in this regard?
Speculation again I think below.
Wasn't Trescothick to do with his wife playing around when he left?
Martyn still quit mid-tour, he wasn't dropped from the squad.
How many manage stress at all? Nobody really knows on here.
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Depression isn't necessarily triggered by pressure-we have no idea of his personal circumstances and as they have been managing it, it would suggest it has correlated with his form over the past year or even more.
the management team would have certainly asked his opinion on how he felt...and would've used that as part of their decision to select him. I certainly wouldn't direct a load of stick at the ecb, they manage this much more competently than other sports.
sadly there is so much stigma around mental illness, borne out of ignorance and fear. Lets hope that he is left alone as per his wishes to manage his condition to a point he can play again. Let us also hope that awareness and understanding are addressed rather than the stuff on social media.
regarding who comes in, they've said no replacement so lets see bell at 3 and its a great opportunity for ballance, bairstow or stokes to make a real impression.
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1 - If you don't have it you don't understand how difficult it can be.
2 - Sometimes lack of knowledge about it does not mean it doesn't exist. Players in those countried develop other issues, Kambli is a great e.g. that comes to mind.
3 - There is this belief that you can tough it out, don't be week etc. Its not that simple
On most days you could feel down but believe you can cope, amount it to pressure of life/situation etc but then there are some days where you cannot control it or manage it or hide it, takes a bit to recover from it and everyone recovers differently with varying amount of time. You don't know what is going to trigger an episode, atleast not early or what the symptoms are. Most people are even embarrased to talk about it let alone go see a professional but it needs to be done and takes a lot of courage, most days you feel like a failure in one way or another, need a very strong support structure around (internal and external). Accepting help is difficult, sometimes people trying to help may seem like your worst enemies and others might not have a clue what they are talking about but when the clouds clear you feel stronger and happier to have had the fortune being around well wishers who care.
I feel for Trott, I hope he gets all the help he needs and more. You have to fight your demons, not easy but that is the only solution (with help)
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I saw a piece in the mirror of all papers pointing out that England are alone in having a northern hemisphere summer. Englands cricketers are dealing with playing international cricket nearly twelve months of the year. Other countries do play more than they use to but England probably play more cricket still. Injury prevention is certainly better than before central contracts but maybe the mental side needs looking into?
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Would he have been dropped anyway, though? Let's face it, although he still has a good Test batting average, his form has been abysmal of late, and the Aussies have clearly found him out. It's very sad news for Trott, but might actually help England I feel...
Nah, his form probably rally's with when he got I'll. he wouldn't have been dropped,though. Miles better than anyone else we have currently. Just hope bell isn't moved up. Compton in to provide that steady base
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I live Bell at 5 too. Maybe Root or Ballance at 3.
It really is a shame as I do believe he would have proved the doubters wrong by the end of the series.
I saw what he did in the second innings, and I think he went with the same mentality Clarke did. Go out there and hit it. Unfortunately Clarkes technique was better and it worked for him and not Trott.
Really hope he gets better in time for the summer.
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People should remember that thismisman illness and affects more people than we think. Who knows why England players suffer more, maybe we are weak? Doubt it, I'd say it's because 'we' allow people to be I'll rather than treat them as nutters. People saying hints about him won't have helped over the last year, doubt it will but next person you 'sledge', just think about what you maybe doing to them IF they happen to suffer from this illness.
Get well soon mr Trott
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I feel for Jonathan Trott as there's a lot of 'stiff upper lip' bullpoop out there. Clinical depression may be brought on by a variety of circumstance but it's the damage that the stress does to the chemical balance of the brain that is the [largely believed] cause of depression. It is a recognised disease - his brain is effectively injured and the balance will be restored but it will probably be a long road to recovery for the poor chap.
Up until recently he had averages of over 50 in ODI and Test cricket - something that is a rarity in our glorious game.
I wish him all the best and hope he comes back to international cricket to be the anchor of the side once again.
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1 - If you don't have it you don't understand how difficult it can be.
2 - Sometimes lack of knowledge about it does not mean it doesn't exist. Players in those countried develop other issues, Kambli is a great e.g. that comes to mind.
3 - There is this belief that you can tough it out, don't be week etc. Its not that simple
On most days you could feel down but believe you can cope, amount it to pressure of life/situation etc but then there are some days where you cannot control it or manage it or hide it, takes a bit to recover from it and everyone recovers differently with varying amount of time. You don't know what is going to trigger an episode, atleast not early or what the symptoms are. Most people are even embarrased to talk about it let alone go see a professional but it needs to be done and takes a lot of courage, most days you feel like a failure in one way or another, need a very strong support structure around (internal and external). Accepting help is difficult, sometimes people trying to help may seem like your worst enemies and others might not have a clue what they are talking about but when the clouds clear you feel stronger and happier to have had the fortune being around well wishers who care.
I feel for Trott, I hope he gets all the help he needs and more. You have to fight your demons, not easy but that is the only solution (with help)
Let's not mix this stress related illness to the coping of pressure by an international player. The pressure to perform can be one contributing factor but not the sole reason. Different players handle success and failures in different ways and that sets them apart. Kambli though hugely talented couldn't cope up with the star dum and his priorities went wrong. Instead of working on short stuff ,other technical aspects of the game and physical fitness his proirities became ear rings, modelling etc. I wouldn't compare him to Trott or trescothick. Both of whom highly committed and in their primes when this illness struck them and neither's place was in immediate danger in the team when they decided to leave.
As UK Saunders pointed out, amount of cricket might be a factor.
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Let's not mix this stress related illness to the coping of pressure by an international player. The pressure to perform can be one contributing factor but not the sole reason. Different players handle success and failures in different ways and that sets them apart. Kambli though hugely talented couldn't cope up with the star dum and his priorities went wrong. Instead of working on short stuff ,other technical aspects of the game and physical fitness his proirities became ear rings, modelling etc. I wouldn't compare him to Trott or trescothick. Both of whom highly committed and in their primes when this illness struck them and neither's place was in immediate danger in the team when they decided to leave.
As UK Saunders pointed out, amount of cricket might be a factor.
I am not comparing Kambli to Trott, just trying to make a point that these issues exist everywhere in the world. Kudos to England for encouraging players to talk and do something about it, whereas others might just continue to hide/ignore it.
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I suspect some of the lesser nations would look down on their players if they admitted such a thing. My money says at least one member of most test squads will either be suffering or will suffer. Regardless of how good,you think they see
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I suspect some of the lesser nations would look down on their players if they admitted such a thing. My money says at least one member of most test squads will either be suffering or will suffer. Regardless of how good,you think they see
This is why the PCA needs to be lauded. From reading about their work in AOC, it seems that they've figuratively coaxed a few pro cricketers down from the ledge.
You wonder how promising players are lost to the game.
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This is why the PCA needs to be lauded. From reading about their work in AOC, it seems that they've figuratively coaxed a few pro cricketers down from the ledge.
You wonder how promising players are lost to the game.
I doubt many of us think about these aspects of life, why would we after all . PCA do good things
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It's sad when great sportsmen like Trott suffer like this. Hopefully he can recover and get back to the way he was playing before the ashes without it having a detrimental effect.
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I can tell you stress is a major killer it is not something to be snaffled at.
I can only speak from my experiences but stress is everywhere and it a boulder in people's life that can effect absolutely anybody no matter what you think.
I wish trott the best I hope he finds guidance and heals naturally in time.
Good luck Trotty and anybody else who suffers from the silent killer.
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No doubt these efforts should be lauded and every country should encourage the players to come forward and talk about. Though not sure what the term " lesser nation " mean here. I would take it as a reference to cricket playing nations from Asia.
Though there are other nations as well.. Australia south Africa or newzealand. Question here is Can we classify the cases pertaining to Trescothick trott Symonds Ryder etc all in one basket and say it's the same just different guys reacted it in a different way ?
Or there should be an effort to get to the root cause of it.
How much weather in UK has an effect?
http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html (http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html)
My native UK mates may share their thoughts on this aspect.
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No doubt these efforts should be lauded and every country should encourage the players to come forward and talk about. Though not sure what the term " lesser nation " mean here. I would take it as a reference to cricket playing nations from Asia.
Though there are other nations as well.. Australia south Africa or newzealand. Question here is Can we classify the cases pertaining to Trescothick trott Symonds Ryder etc all in one basket and say it's the same just different guys reacted it in a different way ?
Or there should be an effort to get to the root cause of it.
How much weather in UK has an effect?
[url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html[/url] ([url]http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/biology/b103/f00/web3/dyar3.html[/url])
My native UK mates may share their thoughts on this aspect.
I think he would mean the countries that put more pressure on the players themselves. E.g. India with Tendulkar, it would have been very understandable if he had suffered something like this.
Also, I personally find rain very relaxing if I'm stressed at all :D (unless its when I'm waiting to play cricket). Am I weird if I decide to randomly go for walks when it is raining :-[?
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I think he would mean the countries that put more pressure on the players themselves. E.g. India with Tendulkar, it would have been very understandable if he had suffered something like this.
Also, I personally find rain very relaxing if I'm stressed at all :D (unless its when I'm waiting to play cricket). Am I weird if I decide to randomly go for walks when it is raining :-[?
No it just means you are on the more feminine side of male ;) :D
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I think he would mean the countries that put more pressure on the players themselves. E.g. India with Tendulkar, it would have been very understandable if he had suffered something like this.
Also, I personally find rain very relaxing if I'm stressed at all :D (unless its when I'm waiting to play cricket). Am I weird if I decide to randomly go for walks when it is raining :-[?
That's exactly my point. The pressure on a player alone can't be a sole factor or else we would have seen many players taking early retirements in India or Pakistan. On the contrary here there are cases when players continue to play past their primes till enough pressure is applied to force them to retire!
Personally I find lack of sunshine difficult to cope and it does have a negative effect on my overall attitude.
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Its tough to comprehend players having these issues..especially a successful one like Trott who didnt have any challenges making the XI..a permanent fixture and not someone who is expected to rock it each time he bats (something which KP probably is expected to do)...its not like have drug abuse problems either.
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Its tough to comprehend players having these issues..especially a successful one like Trott who didnt have any challenges making the XI..a permanent fixture and not someone who is expected to rock it each time he bats (something which KP probably is expected to do)...its not like have drug abuse problems either.
errrr, no it isn't! its views like yours that make it difficult for players to come out and say! its an illness, not a state of mind!
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Reading through some of the BTL comments on the Guardian today, there is a fair bit of conjecture that 'stress-related condition' is a euphemism for a drink problem. Apparently, he has a bit of a rep as a boozer, and got in trouble early in his career with Warwickshire over it. That was news to me - anyone else read/heard similar?
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Drinking can be a symptom rather than a cause. Have to remember it is stress-RELATED. it can be triggered in seemingly mundane ways.
every situation has unique features and second-guessing, while satisfying a curiosity, is purely speculation.
it will in every likelihood take months to analyse before trott even contemplates returning to cricket. Its a real shame, but hopefully it highlights the need to raise awareness and understanding. I hope the idiots on social media who mock never experience it themselves or in friends and family. Its really not pleasant for anyone involved...
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/cricket-england-trott-idUKL3E7IE29Q20110714 (http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/07/14/cricket-england-trott-idUKL3E7IE29Q20110714)
He did a few articles a while back saying he used to have a problem. As jamielsn15 said it may be a symptom of something else.
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errrr, no it isn't! its views like yours that make it difficult for players to come out and say! its an illness, not a state of mind!
They dont have to come out and say if its an illness...I meant that its tough to think that someone as strong as Trott was actually suffering.
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Just an interesting article on the sad situation with Trott. So far it seems to be a problem that has (as far as we know) only affected England. I wonder if it has something to do with the way the team is micromanaged, which can create an environment that is absolutely stifling for some people, and probably takes any fun out of it (whether it be an ordinary workplace environment or the England cricket team) even if there are good intentions.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/692605.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/692605.html)
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Report that Trott might be ready to play for county at the start of the season. Good signs for him on the gradual process to recovery
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Report that Trott might be ready to play for county at the start of the season. Good signs for him on the gradual process to recovery
As someone who struggles with depression, sometimes just being around the ones you love and feeling comfortable in your surroundings is all you need.
Look at Yardy and Tresco.
Question will be, can he play international cricket, with all its trials and tribulations, again?
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Hopefully this report will turn out to be true.
Appreciate there are many KP supporters on this forum and also some(justifyably) upset with the england management
But could the england dressing room be a better place for Trott to come back to?
We all(england fans) hope he is back at number 3
When he is ready that is...
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Good news indeed.
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Great news about playing for County. But I suspect that International level may be optimistic for the next couple of years!
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Bring back the legend and in form we have missed some of your grit Trott brings to England
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Hopefully he's recovered as much as he can be. I hope he's not rushed into Int cricket though. England are a shambles as it is let alone him coming back only to cause a relapse due to the pressure. I wouldn't want that for him, screw England tbh. I'd prefer him to stay healthy and score many a run in the County Championship.
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As someone who struggles with depression, sometimes just being around the ones you love and feeling comfortable in your surroundings is all you need.
Look at Yardy and Tresco.
Question will be, can he play international cricket, with all its trials and tribulations, again?
I also have a depression/anxiety illness and I agree that time away with your family can be good. As someone I've looked up too at number three I just hope he takes the time he needs before making the choice to return or not.
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Looks like Trotty is ready for the season, one of those warm feeling moments :)
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Delighted, hopefully start with a good early season with the Bears :)
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Great to hear isn't it! Season getting closer and closer!
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Very good intterview/article with Trotty on ESPN
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/727721.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/727721.html)
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Very good intterview/article with Trotty on ESPN
[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/727721.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/727721.html[/url])
that is a great read
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Reading that has made my day, truly brilliant article and insight into the situation.
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Reading that has made my day, truly brilliant article and insight into the situation.
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If it was simple burnout then get him bk in to test side ASAP...
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Absolutely top notch article.
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Having suffered from Burnout before, it's not as simple as going off and having a rest for a bit then coming back. You lose your passion and focus for doing something you love. Yes, you need time off, but in that time you need a complete mental break away from everything, just to help rediscover your love for it.
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sky have an interview with him - sunday 7pm.
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sky have an interview with him - sunday 7pm.
I saw a promo for this last night and as the Telegraph article said he seemed to really be asking him a few difficult questions.
If i remember from Trescothick's book didnt he do exactly the same and do an interview with Sky (and Ian Ward) where he tried to play down the real situation of what had gone? Not suggesting for one minute that Trott is doing the same
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From the cricinfo article it seems that Trotts form of mental illness was inflicted by his own intense personality. It appears he has recovered and wiser for it. As with Tresco only time will tell whether he makes it back to England honours.
To me it's also a stark warning to the ECB to sort their schedules out. Back to back ashes series was always a stupid idea (I know we lost and it sounds like sour grapes lol) and can't of helped his mindset. If he had 3 months off and gone to a tour of Sri Lanka after Christmas, for example, it may of never come to this.
Burnout will always be an issue for England as they are still the only 12 months a year international side. Others are catching up fast so it will be interesting to see if other teams have the same problems.
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Trott interview can be watched on demand now. Look under most popular.
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The please still talk to us press pack are already sticking the boot in....
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/728695.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/current/story/728695.html)
Huummm, afraid to say that I agree with mr Vaughan. There is a huge difference between mental illness and tiredness... Very very bad call from trott and the ECB. Really poor form and insulting to those who have suffered.
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So any apologies heading the Australians way after it was apparently them who tipped him over the edge
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That calls for Father Jack
http://youtu.be/MSHaCzb3yYk (http://youtu.be/MSHaCzb3yYk)
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The interview last night on sky did not go the way i thought it would
More like burn out from a relentless schedule than a mental problem similar to tresco or yardy
I dont particularly like micheal vaughans comments but he has a point...
You wont hear the ecb ever blame heavy scheduling of course...england are the ultimate cash cow
The question for trott is can he play at international level again?
England have a big call to make now on who is our number 3...
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So any apologies heading the Australians way after it was apparently them who tipped him over the edge
I seem to remember Flower saying the complete opposite to this... ???.
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Nah just recall reading comments from people on the forum who said that the Australians sledging combined with the crowd were all detrimental towards his mental well being.
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Nah just recall reading comments from people on the forum who said that the Australians sledging combined with the crowd were all detrimental towards his mental well being.
Yup. Think trott should apologise to Warner now ;).
Ecb, flower and the England boys were quick to make warner the bad guy, yet I'm assuming they knew it was burn out.
Interesting tactics .
Trott's always been a selfish player and cared more about his average than the team, didn't surprise me that he thinks he's fit to play against Scotland in May.
His comments towards mental illness showed what an idiot he is and how disrespectful he is to people genuinely suffering from mental illness