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Specialist Cricket Retailers => Uzi Sports UK => Topic started by: Uzi Sports on December 13, 2013, 06:19:28 PM
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Few Bats which I picked up from M&H. Out of the 12 they had in stock and have been saving for me, I have picked these 3 , all medium weight
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Are the CK22 all in the £400+ bracket?
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Interesting how two have the flat toes and one has a rounded one!
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Are the CK22 all in the £400+ bracket?
Interesting to see what people's view on these will be after the few comments on the Salix bats not looking great for top end bats in terms of looks etc. for me there nice looking but not exceptional and I would say that some of the bats I saw when with you Asad were much better looking and half the price, the. BAS bats being a great example. I have no doubt that these will play very very well as will the Salix bats you have ( I saw a lot of these when with Andrew at his workshop at home and also in the main workshop and those Salix bats I tapped up flew off the mallet ).
I think people need to understand the pressure companies that make decent quantities of bats per season are receiving very few true grade 1 clefts at the moment.
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Interesting to see what people's view on these will be after the few comments on the Salix bats not looking great for top end bats in terms of looks etc. for me there nice looking but not exceptional and I would say that some of the bats I saw when with you Asad were much better looking and half the price, the. BAS bats being a great example. I have no doubt that these will play very very well as will the Salix bats you have ( I saw a lot of these when with Andrew at his workshop at home and also in the main workshop and those Salix bats I tapped up flew off the mallet ).
I think people need to understand the pressure companies that make decent quantities of bats per season are receiving very few true grade 1 clefts at the moment.
Can't all look picture perfect and go like guns I like a blade with a bit off character willow is a natural product and if pressed the right way I sure the salix and the mh will both go like trains as asad does not pick bad bats
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Interesting to see what people's view on these will be after the few comments on the Salix bats not looking great for top end bats in terms of looks etc. for me there nice looking but not exceptional and I would say that some of the bats I saw when with you Asad were much better looking and half the price, the. BAS bats being a great example. I have no doubt that these will play very very well as will the Salix bats you have ( I saw a lot of these when with Andrew at his workshop at home and also in the main workshop and those Salix bats I tapped up flew off the mallet ).
I think people need to understand the pressure companies that make decent quantities of bats per season are receiving very few true grade 1 clefts at the moment.
I understand there is very few grade 1+'s so why not make the top grade a more limited number instead of selling Grade 2's for a grade 1+ price...I'm sure people would appreciate paying for what they're actually getting! This is by no means a dig at Salix Chris as you may know my bats a Salix and is the best bat I've ever used
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I understand there is very few grade 1+'s so why not make the top grade a more limited number instead of selling Grade 2's for a grade 1+ price...I'm sure people would appreciate paying for what they're actually getting! This is by no means a dig at Salix Chris as you may know my bats a Salix and is the best bat I've ever used
Didn't take it as a dig at all mate, I think most people know that Salix would never sell genuine G2 bats as G1 and I also think that most honest bat makers wouldn't either. Indeed I have seen Andrew and Ben and I have as well when seeing people for custom fittings telling players that a performance model will in many cases play as well as a grade one model just may have a few little blemish etc.
The other thing I think that although it doesn't effect performance but I think need to be taking into account when looking at buying a G1 bat and at the price points that the ck22 will command inline with a players grade Salix or SPS etc is the finishing. One thing I have always thought about M&H is that there finishing is awful on a lot of occasions. A good mate of mine has just bought an M&H Harliquin and it's finishing is awful. No word of a lie I could finish a bat to a better standard than this particular model . I'm seeing him later so will take a few pics. Fine sanding looks non existent and I also believe they do not polish there bats . I agree that they all seem to perform well but in the current climate with approx 4% grade 1 willow you finishing plays an important part. As always this is just my view on things.
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Interesting to see what people's view on these will be after the few comments on the Salix bats not looking great for top end bats in terms of looks etc. for me there nice looking but not exceptional and I would say that some of the bats I saw when with you Asad were much better looking and half the price, the. BAS bats being a great example. I have no doubt that these will play very very well as will the Salix bats you have ( I saw a lot of these when with Andrew at his workshop at home and also in the main workshop and those Salix bats I tapped up flew off the mallet ).
I think people need to understand the pressure companies that make decent quantities of bats per season are receiving very few true grade 1 clefts at the moment.
Sorry no sympathy or understanding they should lower there prices in line then which they haven't.
Your right true grade one is harder to source but then people should grade as the same and bring out more real grade 2 at grade 2 price not bumping up grade 2 and 3 to 1.
I feel a tad sorry because of the number of clefs the big Indian manufactories are buying there still getting real grade 1 looking bats through.
Asad im sure these bats playa as well as others
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I have added these bats to our web site
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Sorry no sympathy or understanding they should lower there prices in line then which they haven't.
Your right true grade one is harder to source but then people should grade as the same and bring out more real grade 2 at grade 2 price not bumping up grade 2 and 3 to 1.
I feel a tad sorry because of the number of clefs the big Indian manufactories are buying there still getting real grade 1 looking bats through.
Asad im sure these bats playa as well as others
Sometimes Dave you hit the nail right on its head.
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Sometimes people ignore what is a commercial business. Sell it for as much as someone is willing to pay. If the majority will accept it as grade one then where is the issue?
First and foremost these guys are trying to make money. If it is an approach you don't like, don't buy from them.
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If you look up the phrase 'calls a spade a spade' there is a picture of Dave Watson
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...slight aside, my auto-correct just tried to call Dave a spaz
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...slight aside, my auto-correct just tried to call Dave a spaz
Auto-correct is auto-correct Johnny ;) :D
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Sometimes people ignore what is a commercial business. Sell it for as much as someone is willing to pay. If the majority will accept it as grade one then where is the issue?
First and foremost these guys are trying to make money. If it is an approach you don't like, don't buy from them.
Sorry asad for clogging delete if needed maybe a topic in bats is needed
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Do not worry I will not but sometimes it good to see things from different angles it a forum of opinion I just like a balance view and I think I may have a balanced view.
Spas or correct I shall leave it to the beholder maybe but personal jibes don't worry me the people who know what I mean know what I mean.
As I have said they possibly play very well I have had 3 bats from asad all played excellently and I have no doubt.
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I don't think anyone was making any personal jibes at you Dave I know I wasn't... Just a tongue in cheek remark about Johnny's spellchecker...
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Honest opinion time...would people pay £400+ for a bat that isnt in the CBF world perfection?
would the profile and stickers alone warrant the price point or would people over look the grains and willow for the fact of having one in their kit bag?
im not doubting the fact that both Asad and Paul both picked the best possible bats on offer. (I can still recall the thread where people called Hosk mental for paying £400 for a bat yet this price point is now 33% less than a top end bat is priced nowadays...showing my age/time on the forum now)
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Honest opinion time...would people pay £400+ for a bat that isnt in the CBF world perfection?
would the profile and stickers alone warrant the price point or would people over look the grains and willow for the fact of having one in their kit bag?
im not doubting the fact that both Asad and Paul both picked the best possible bats on offer. (I can still recall the thread where people called Hosk mental for paying £400 for a bat yet this price point is now 33% less than a top end bat is priced nowadays...showing my age/time on the forum now)
for £400 I would demand performance (the best) and a good looking if not the best looking bat.
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They are grade 1, but I was under the impression they were "limited in numbers" so very expensive (been there with this black hammer things) but these don't "look" like limited clefts. MH do charge a lot for their bats but the performance of the top range bats are great. The normal bats are very average .... Which is reflected in the price.
Having said all that I wouldn't pay even £300 for one or any bat for that matter. I think that theses days Indian bats are starting to look better than some of these £450 bats and only £300
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They are grade 1, but I was under the impression they were "limited in numbers" so very expensive (been there with this black hammer things) but these don't "look" like limited clefts. MH do charge a lot for their bats but the performance of the top range bats are great. The normal bats are very average .... Which is reflected in the price.
Having said all that I wouldn't pay even £300 for one or any bat for that matter. I think that theses days Indian bats are starting to look better than some of these £450 bats and only £300
Garrett when you hand select your clefts do they have a weight written on them? If so do the lighter ones cost more or the price is based on looks?
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Based on its looks when it's roughly sawn. Grains at the bottom of the clefts basically. Problem is once it's prepared marks, blemishes and small knots can be revealed. Weight doesn't affect price.
Here are 2 grade 1 clefts unplaned
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http://instagram.com/p/h5LY6gBGXh/ (http://instagram.com/p/h5LY6gBGXh/)
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aaahh ok. So why is the M&H ck22 so expensive? I assumed they were made from light weight clefts and so were limited because those clefts were rare and expensive.
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Heres the problem. They are probably given say 1000 clefts and let's say 500 are grade 1 and 500 are grade 2. Of those 500 they need to make amplus, master and ck22 and use light clefts. Out of that 500 only say 100 might be light so they are deemed as being rare, probably rightly so. Unfortunately they may not be the best looking that are light, if you don't pick them yourself and weigh each and every grade 1 on offer
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Having said all this I have had 2 distinctions and can honestly say I was hitting 6's by accident ... Both bats were just unreal but they were only £250 just 3 seasons ago. I don't think. Anyone would be disappointed by these bats apart from when it breaks and you can't find a good enough one to replace it without forking out the £75 a year price rise. I'm struggling to replace mine at a reasonable cost
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Fair enough. I was asking because I pre ordered the ck22 from IJC and although in quite honesty, was not worried about the price, it is still good to know how things sort of work.
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If you ordered one you will be very very happy, these top mh bats need a little knocking and then you will have a top top bat. I personally think they are the best on the market closely followed by Salix, I've seen some of their bats go like rockets but never used one.
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Heres the problem. They are probably given say 1000 clefts and let's say 500 are grade 1 and 500 are grade 2. Of those 500 they need to make amplus, master and ck22 and use light clefts. Out of that 500 only say 100 might be light so they are deemed as being rare, probably rightly so. Unfortunately they may not be the best looking that are light, if you don't pick them yourself and weigh each and every grade 1 on offer
When they recieve say 1000 clefts I can assure you there is no way that 50% are grade 1 when graded by wrights. At best it would be more like 100 clefts.
I beloved the CK22 was limited to I thought 50 bats but I assume that's not the case. Has anyone got one yet and can they comment, also interested to hear how they find the finish.
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aaahh ok. So why is the M&H ck22 so expensive? I assumed they were made from light weight clefts and so were limited because those clefts were rare and expensive.
M&H have always been at the top end of the price ranges for many years. No one really knows why, it just comes down to if your prepare to pay the asking price and basically lots of people do. I have no doubt at the end of the season you won't see the CK range in sales.
There price points are more reflective of the current price points now a days though.
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Personally I've got to agree with Dave on this one and although grade 1's are becoming very limited I don't see why people should start forking out £300 for a grade 2! It may go well and be nicely pressed but we all know you can find bargains that are say £150 and are Grade 3/2 that go superb....for example the GM bats. Obviously this would mean less top end bats if they were grading them truthfully but I think people would appreciate this more and accept there's only so many top end models
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Honest opinion time...would people pay £400+ for a bat that isnt in the CBF world perfection?
would the profile and stickers alone warrant the price point or would people over look the grains and willow for the fact of having one in their kit bag?
im not doubting the fact that both Asad and Paul both picked the best possible bats on offer. (I can still recall the thread where people called Hosk mental for paying £400 for a bat yet this price point is now 33% less than a top end bat is priced nowadays...showing my age/time on the forum now)
I'm yet to fork out over £200 on a bat so these £400+ prices we see these days just seem crazy to me mate!
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When they recieve say 1000 clefts I can assure you there is no way that 50% are grade 1 when graded by wrights. At best it would be more like 100 clefts.
I beloved the CK22 was limited to I thought 50 bats but I assume that's not the case. Has anyone got one yet and can they comment, also interested to hear how they find the finish.
How many bats would M&H & Salix produce in a year? If they produce say 1000 bats and they only get for instance 300-400 g1 & g2's per 1000 clefts there is going to be a lot of wastage. What would be the fate of the clefts that didn't make the grade?
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Rather buy 2 bas from asad than one of these sorry been spoilt for bats recently though :D
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How many bats would M&H & Salix produce in a year? If they produce say 1000 bats and they only get for instance 300-400 g1 & g2's per 1000 clefts there is going to be a lot of wastage. What would be the fate of the clefts that didn't make the grade?
There not wasted mate there just used to make the other bats. Can't talk for M&H but Salix has the wasp stinger at the bottom of the grade scale then select, performance, Grade one, players and finite. So this range allows you to use G3/2/1.
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Rather buy 2 bas from asad than one of these sorry been spoilt for bats recently though :D
I would agree with you Dave and as I have told many of our customers that BAS bats are the best value for money . If u can play with medium to heavy weight (2.12) then best buy is BAS compared to any other bat.
We have to keep every brand ( well most of the good brands) as there are certain customers who like specific brands.
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There not wasted mate there just used to make the other bats. Can't talk for M&H but Salix has the wasp stinger at the bottom of the grade scale then select, performance, Grade one, players and finite. So this range allows you to use G3/2/1.
Thanks, I was just thinking as Salix & M&H are very much high end bat producers if they were having to buy grades that they weren't able to use (as most of the range is G1 & G2) then that would obviously push up the cost.
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There not wasted mate there just used to make the other bats. Can't talk for M&H but Salix has the wasp stinger at the bottom of the grade scale then select, performance, Grade one, players and finite. So this range allows you to use G3/2/1.
Don't forget HitsHard!
The HitsHard range has been created because of this very problem, Jon...
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I would agree with you Dave and as I have told many of our customers that BAS bats are the best value for money . If u can play with medium to heavy weight (2.12) then best buy is BAS compared to any other bat.
We have to keep every brand ( well most of the good brands) as there are certain customers who like specific brands.
Totally agree there asad
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Don't forget HitsHard!
The HitsHard range has been created because of this very problem, Jon...
Yes as well as HitsHard.
What M&H do I don't know, maybe they make for other small companies in Somerset way and that allows them an outlet for there lower grade willow. I'm not going to say they upgrade G2 and sell as grade one as I have no idea. All I know is I wouldn't be over the moon if I recieved a couple of those CK22 bats if I had paid £425.
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Forgot to mention we have received few HitsHard bats which are available to buy from the shop
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Forgot to mention we have received few HitsHard bats which are available to buy from the shop
One of yours almost found its way into my kit bag mate, exceptional off the mallet and it was one of the power models at the bottom of the HH range.
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Honestly all the salix bats I have in stock are all exceptional off the mallet, really pleased with them. My son Uzi was going through them and he couldn't find a bad one which he didn't like. Sold one of the salix pod G1 today. They may not look brilliant but believe me they will play better than what the label says.
Chris r u coming to our shop with Simon as he is planning to visit us next week
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We have now received new M&H CK22 bags as well as T1. Here is the link
http://uzisports.com/cricket-bags-brands/millichamp-hall-bag (http://uzisports.com/cricket-bags-brands/millichamp-hall-bag)
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£425!!!!
Ive gotta say, life is way too short to spend that on a bat, that doesn't 'look' as if it's had the attention of the majority of other bats out there!
I think it's immaterial how it plays,at that price point.
Top performance should be a given
But so should looks.
Just look at the quality of a butterfly Aldred bat at a quarter of that price.
As an afterthought, my son says,most of the lads at Somerset, turned up with these bats at the first nets
Makes his Affinity stand out hopefully
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Price is £385 ;)
I do agree with you that M&H bat prices are high compared to other bats in the market and we do get customers who only want to buy M&H. For that reason we have to stock. Around Somerset M&H is very popular