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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: procricket on December 27, 2013, 12:11:25 AM
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After hearing so much hype about the so called future england super star and world beater I though I do a comparison
3 years difference granted and 1 test between them
Pujara v Root
Discuss
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Root - hyped up by the English media on the back of a decent debut. Could well be the next superstar but needs to work a lot to live up to the hype surrounding him.
Pujara - run machine! Easily the better of the two players, will have a great career as he's truly world class.
Admin, you can lock this now ;)
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One came into a side that had already gone through a major transition and was given a clear role in that side. The other came into a side on decline and has been asked to bat in 3 different slots already.
Both good players. Pujara has had it easier so far in his career than root, so not easy to compare them in my opinion.
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One came into a side that had already gone through a major transition and was given a clear role in that side. The other came into a side on decline and has been asked to bat in 3 different slots already.
Both good players. Pujara has had it easier so far in his career than root, so not easy to compare them in my opinion.
Pujara's had it easier?
You for real?
He's come in and replaced an all time great(Dravid). Big shoes to fill.
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Saw some of Pujara's stats earlier.
3 First Class triple hundreds
6 double hundreds(2 of which are in Test matches)
26 first hundreds.
And he's only 25.
Scary good in my book.
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Class v Crap for me
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Don't know why but I just don't rate Root.
Nor Bresnan, Broad or Bairstow for that matter
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Pujara's had it easier?
You for real?
He's come in and replaced an all time great(Dravid). Big shoes to fill.
I am for real.
I didn't say that Pujara had it easy, just think that he has had it easier than Root that's all.
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It a interesting debate I know which I would like in my team for sure but looking at there test in innings yes hey have batted a similar number of times.
Pujara has had to wait to get in the team and to say he has had it easy is a kind of flippant remark.
Root has had it easy mate he replaced a guy who did not deserve dropping and is or was the nation darling he could do no wrong.
I have no doubt Root will turn out ok but let's give the lad a chance he is ok but not great currently
Why has Pujara had it easier mate ??
My take is batsman score runs bowlers take wickets
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Don't know why but I just don't rate Root.
Nor Bresnan, Broad or Bairstow for that matter
I take it you don't like Yorkshiremen or Primadonas then?? ;)
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It a interesting debate I know which I would like in my team for sure but looking at there test in innings yes hey have batted a similar number of times.
Pujara has had to wait to get in the team and to say he has had it easy is a kind of flippant remark.
Root has had it easy mate he replaced a guy who did not deserve dropping and is or was the nation darling he could do no wrong.
I have no doubt Root will turn out ok but let's give the lad a chance he is ok but not great currently
Why has Pujara had it easier mate ??
My take is batsman score runs bowlers take wickets
All I said was, that in my opinion he has had it easier than Root, which is not flippant.
My reasons as to why are in my first post mate.
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Whats Pujaras stats like in English conditions did he come last time India were here or not i can't remember.
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Sorry your right flippant was supposed to say throw away.
Your right all opinion based will be a good summer I think as a England fan I hope we can get some stability and quality into the side.
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That's where the topic get interesting he has only played 3 test outside of India told you good debate
Also Pujara has had a full season off before due to a serious knee injury
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So he has only played on wickets that in the old days would have been called "Featherbeds"
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Yes and initally his first 3 in Innings away from India he only scored 31 runs
Think in his last 3 though he has scored 250 though.
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So he has only played on wickets that in the old days would have been called "Featherbeds"
Not sure the Wanderers against Steyn and Morkel can be called a featherbed.
Actually, not sure Morkel bowled much second innings. But it does show he has the potential to score runs on pitches with a bit of pace.
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Class v Crap for me
Thats a bit harsh but quite close :D
Another could be "future legend" vs "Need Lot of work to be number 3"
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Steveo1000 I was refering to the wickets he played on at home. However didn't South Africa just fall short in a massive run chase in that match in thde 4th innings mate.
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Pujara looks classes above root already and I can't see root catching him :(
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Root has had it easy mate he replaced a guy who did not deserve dropping and is or was the nation darling he could do no wrong.
Eoin Morgan?
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Playing SA in SA is a task and against the best attack in the world (icc rankings), he is, at this stage, a class above root. Another way to look at it is if you had to choose between root and pujara to score a 50 or you lose your life which one would u choose.
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Root - hyped up by the English media on the back of a decent debut. Could well be the next superstar but needs to work a lot to live up to the hype surrounding him.
Pujara - run machine! Easily the better of the two players, will have a great career as he's truly world class.
Pujara benefits here from having a longer apprenticeship in first class cricket - Root will be a world class player in time but sometimes seems to be just a little short of experience, mentally as much as anything.
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Class v Crap for me
This is very disrespectful and I would expect better to be honest!
He has proved he's not crap, although is a 'work in progress'!
I feel that Root needed a year or two to really learn more! Or at least keep him lower down the order whilst he is learning and gaining experience at this level! And even now, bell should be batting at 3 and root at 5!
I have always rated Pujara and his FC record is superb and shows his quality!
He has come in at the right kind of age and experience and is showing his true class. He is going through a period of good form so won't always score lots of runs. But he certainly looks a very high class batsman and the Indian team have rebuilt their batting line up superbly and are looking like a quality line up!!
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So far Pujara has looked the better of the two players. It will be very interesting to see how the two do this Summer.
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Playing SA in SA is a task and against the best attack in the world (icc rankings), he is, at this stage, a class above root. Another way to look at it is if you had to choose between root and pujara to score a 50 or you lose your life which one would u choose.
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Well, depends on
Bowlers
Pitch type
Overhead conditions
Ball condition
Batsman application
Not a straightforward decision
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So far Pujara has looked the better of the two players. It will be very interesting to see how the two do this Summer.
The only time they have played in a series together, in India 2012/13 Root ended up with a better tour average. 1-0 to Root going into the summer I reckon ;)
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Root's footwork is rubbish for a top order batsman. Even Yorkshire's finest, Boycott, said as much.
Pujara's recovery from 2 ACL surgeries has been surprisingly good. And his footwork hasn't declined after two major injuries.
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Harsh bunch you lot. Pujara is older and has played 90 first class matches to Root's 57. Root's shown both bottle and ability in his short career so far, I think he'll play for England for a long time and do a good job.
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Not harsh one started playing games earlier and nearly had 2 years out with injurys the other has been handed it on a plate..
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Not harsh one started playing games earlier and nearly had 2 years out with injurys the other has been handed it on a plate..
Do you have shares in Pujara :)
Also, I'm not sure any sportsman who has made it to the very top of their sport can ever be accused of being handed anything on a plate.
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Do you have shares in Pujara :)
Also, I'm not sure any sportsman who has made it to the very top of their sport can ever be accused of being handed anything on a plate.
Joey Chestnut did, he's World Hot Dog Eating Champion. He had hot dogs handed to him on a plate
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Not harsh one started playing games earlier and nearly had 2 years out with injurys the other has been handed it on a plate..
Pujara made his first class debut 8 years ago, Root 3 years ago. One has batted 48 times more than the other in a first-class setting. One is more experienced than the other. Regardless of talent, I know who I would expect to be a better player right now. There does seem to be a propensity to expect wondrous things from players as soon as they pull on an England jersey with age, experience and other factors all disregarded. The first sign of wavering form or a run of low scores and everyone's on their backs. Just give them a chance and try not to write players off so soon. There are plenty of good test cricketers whose careers didn't start like Tendulkar or Ponting.
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My point to a degree but i think Compton was dropped for slow scoring and i mean slow scoring what is Root doing.
I agree the lad has great potential but test cricket does not care for experience.
Look at test level they have virtually played the same.
Root has qualities he sure does and the fact he has not always been helped.
No somebody mentioned the amount of tests each has played funny some have called Pujara slow but Root is in overdrive.
Big summers for both i think..
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My view for what's its worth is that at the moment Pujara is the better player this is based on him having more experience in first class cricket than Root and also being given a solid spot to make his own I.e the No3 spot. So far root has batted at 6,2 and 3 in his very short career. I have no doubt that Root will become a true great of English cricket, maybe not world cricket but certainly English cricket. I would say the same about Pujara he will be a good player but the way Indians treat cricketers do not think he will be a god as I think Koli will set a new bench mark in world cricket in terms of games played, runs scored and trophies won.
The other part to roots game is his bowling which I think England under use at the moment.
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Eoin Morgan?
Think that he may have meant Compton
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Root is hideously over-rated. If that's the best young talent that England have, I can understand why so many foreigners get a game for you!
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I'm more excited about stokes than I am about root. bowling in the high eighties and looks a real talent with the bat too!
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I'm more excited about stokes than I am about root. bowling in the high eighties and looks a real talent with the bat too!
Agreed, he looks a good prospect, but more than that he appears to have a combative nature and is up for a fight. His ton at the WACA was a great innings.
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Don't know why but I just don't rate Root.
Nor Bresnan, Broad or Bairstow for that matter
Its very hard to knock Broad atm! 59 test poles at 25 so far this year!
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Agreed, he looks a good prospect, but more than that he appears to have a combative nature and is up for a fight. His ton at the WACA was a great innings.
exactly, it was the situation and the manner in which he scored that ton which made me sit up and take notice more than anything
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You can only really judge a player at the end of his career.
For any Indian player to reach the top level, he has much more competition than many other nations (1bn people which Cricket is the national sport). In England, 70m people where cricket is the 3rd most popular sport after football and rugby. On that basis, it would have been easier for Root than Pujara.
Where I think it has been more difficult for Root is the fact the guy has been catapulted into the England setup before he has really played much First Class cricket, with three years less maturity than Pujara (Let's not forget how difficult late teens/early 20s is - especially when so much expectation is heaped on you).
For England, all eyes were on Root. For Pujara, many were still looking at Tendulkar and Dravid plus the influx of new names from the IPL, the spotlight was off him.
I look forward to seeing Pujara coming to England and playing the moving ball, as much as Root has been tested by the short ball in Australia.
Either way, its an interesting debate
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So here we are now next question
Who will score more runs in the up-coming series
My money is on Pujara by a long way i do not think he will have much difficulties in England bar a resurgence of Anderson
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So here we are now next question
Who will score more runs in the up-coming series
My money is on Pujara by a long way i do not think he will have much difficulties in England bar a resurgence of Anderson
What do you class as "a long way"?
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150 runs in it..
But you never can be sure Anderson could be back at his best and it doesn't take much insight to know he will be a hand full along with Broad and another.
Root might not even be in the team but i suspect he will be i do rate Root just not as much as some.
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150 runs in it..
Roots not even close to Pujara. 150+ as pro said
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150 runs in it..
You think Pujara will score over 150 more runs than Root in the series between Eng and Ind?
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You think Pujara will score over 150 more runs than Root in the series between Eng and Ind?
5 test series comfortably yes
I did not know until yesterday Stokes has as many fc hundreds as Root and is younger
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5 test series comfortably yes
I did not know until yesterday Stokes has as many fc hundreds as Root and is younger
First you diss Joe Root, then your forum starts playing up. Coincidence? :D :D
How about a bet then if Pujara and Root play all 5 matches?
Either ...
If Root scores most runs in the series, I win.
If Pujara scores 150 runs more than Root in the series, you win.
(if it is inbetween, it is a draw).
Or, on my calculations: 150/5 matches = 30 a match /2 inns = 15 runs per innings.
If Root averages more than Pujara, I win.
If Pujura averages 15 more than Root, you win.
(if it is inbetween, it is a draw).
This way should negate the rain factor.
Loser needs to put a comment, such as "joeljonno was right, Root won" or "procricket was right, Pujara is streets ahead" in your footer for 3 months from the day after the last test? :D
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No worries matey where have i dissed Root.
Just stating plain facts..
Stokes has as many Fc hundreds as Root.
Pujara scored more fc hundreds in a season than Root in his whole career to date.
I wish there was a bookie i would bet with cash but no worries.
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Seems to be a lot of people suddenly questioning Root after a quiet Ashes series, being very very fickle. He's young, and the people who have the best knowledge and insight clearly think he is pretty special as they keep playing him. His record for Yorkshire last year warranted his selection. Let's not forget when comparing him and Stokes and the fact Stokes has more 100's, one of these 2 opens the batting against a new ball, fresh bowling attack. The other bats middle order against an older ball generally and tired bowlers.
Then comparing Pujara and Root, the experience is a massive issue as people have mentioned. Pujara has played much more first class cricket. Can he or does he play all forms of the game for his country? Root can and does, also bowls some handy part time offies as well. Pujara has played the majority of his test cricket on slow flat Indian wickets which he will know like the back of his hand. Granted he made a ton in SA, but yes he's a good player so it's expected. Dot forget Root made a big ton against the aussies on the biggest test stage at Lords.
But really, who cares who is the better player? They both represent their country and are clearly very good players, one probably more advanced and established in his career with experience and age also.
Dave, i can picture your house decorated with Pujara wallpaper and posters
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No mate that would be Brad Hodge bud..
It has been a comparison thread I have always had my doubts about Root
Hope he proves himself soon though
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I think they both are great find. I was really impressed by the way Root batted in his debut game against India, huge challenge to play India in India. Many have failed (Khwaja, Hughes etc to name a recent failures).
Stats -
Root - 15 tests, 955 runs, 36 average, 2 hundreds
Pujara - 17 tests, 1590 runs, 66 average, 6 hundreds (out of that 4 are 150+ scores)
Going by number of tests, Pujara is far ahead.
Agreed Pujara has played more first class cricket and it clearly shows in his temperament.
But first class cricket can only help so much. Else guys like Rohit Sharma would have played 50 tests by now and scored 5000 runs. His first class record is also impressive. And I am sure there are many more everywhere.
The difference between Pujara and Root is technique, positive intent and mental strength. And since I have seen Pujara (since he debuted), it has not changed much and prolific run scoring. Pujara has improved match after match whereas Root has not shown that same progression after playing almost equal number of tests.
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In Dave's defence, he has been questioning Roots ability for a while.
I certainly feel that Joe needs to string 2 or 3 scores together to reinforce the initial good feeling about him. His 180 seems to stand out amongst a cluster of lower test scores which is a little weird.
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I don't think roots been the same since the helmet issue.
His gm grill disentegration didnt bother him that innings(that 90* would have been classed as a great innings if finch hadn't have made 154) but since, he's been in a masuri and hasn't been in the greatest form.
Has the change unsettled him? Or just coincidence in a poor patch?
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First class cricket is a bit different though. With points for being ahead in the first innings in India having a significant weight, this means pitches must be dead a lot of the time. Ravindra Jadeja has THREE FC triple hundreds and also plays for Suarashtra. No one could question Root's supremacy over him. Perspective is required rather than a reliance on stats.
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Stokes has as many Fc hundreds as Root.
But averages 10 runs per knock less, having played a far greater proportion of his career games at a lower level. Also a fair statistic!
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No mate that would be Brad Hodge bud..
Bumped into him in Melbourne a few weeks ago
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Comparing Pujara to Root is madness, it really is.
From Pujara's debut against Australia in 2010, he has looked like a star in the making.
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Comparing players at the start of their careers, without taking into account so many variables, cannot be conclusive. Different opponents, home or away, FC experience, etc. Can have a massive impact to name a few.
some take to test cricket easily, as pujara has. Others grow into it, as many if the greats have. Either way, both will score in excess of 8000 runs, in my opinion. I'm sure we all agree that doesn't happen by accident, it takes a great deal of application.
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Comparing players at the start of their careers, without taking into account so many variables, cannot be conclusive. Different opponents, home or away, FC experience, etc. Can have a massive impact to name a few.
some take to test cricket easily, as pujara has. Others grow into it, as many if the greats have. Either way, both will score in excess of 8000 runs, in my opinion. I'm sure we all agree that doesn't happen by accident, it takes a great deal of application.
Agree with this great post mate
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/706541.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/706541.html)
A great read
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So is our next great hope Stokes?
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Batting wise he is already there Root will come good of that i have no doubt.
It going to be a interesting period for our cricket for sure hope a few get a chance
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Nearly two test down.
Is root winning so far? Plenty of time for pujara to turn it round though.
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Still have Pujara in my side mate..
We had my new favourite cricketer down visiting B3 today have a look on twitter.
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Still have Pujara in my side mate..
We had my new favourite cricketer down visiting B3 today have a look on twitter.
Was meant to come down today as 3 of my bats are there. But they had closed my road to resurface the dam thing! Grrr.
Anyone would have pujara in there side, I just think root is doing a great job for England at mo.
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Was meant to come down today as 3 of my bats are there. But they had closed my road to resurface the dam thing! Grrr.
Anyone would have pujara in there side, I just think root is doing a great job for England at mo.
I saw 2 of them Friday a "DW" among them very nice great pick up it had mate.
Agree about Root :o
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Pujara will be a littled p!ssed so far.
He's averaging 41 in the series. He's got past 20 everytime yet hasn't got 100.
In normally circumstances he'd probably have got 4 x 100.
I sense he's due a big 150-250 before this series is done.
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He'll need to get a shufty on then after two more failures at Old Trafford (where Root excelled again).
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Indeed he will can't argue with Root at the minute.
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Indeed he will can't argue with Root at the minute.
Seems like ALL of the Indian side are arguing with Root any time he gets within fifteen feet of them. Lad might look like a choirboy, but there is summat about him rubs people up the wrong way...
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Seems like ALL of the Indian side are arguing with Root any time he gets within fifteen feet of them. Lad might look like a choirboy, but there is summat about him rubs people up the wrong way...
He does have one of those faces to be fair...
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It's not just this series where Pujara has flopped.
He was utterly shocking in New Zealand as well.
12 innings in NZ and ENG, only 1 fifty.
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Dravid and Ganguly both failed the first time around, were dropped and then came back stronger. I am more concerned about Kohli, looked like the next bright light and definitely talented but he seems to be falling into Rohit Sharma category.
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It's not just this series where Pujara has flopped.
He was utterly shocking in New Zealand as well.
12 innings in NZ and ENG, only 1 fifty.
You changed your guns 6 posts up you big him up!!!
I still love him not my number 1 anymore tha title belongs to the entertainment man
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He will come good if he has the chance.
I have always thought that Rahane has shown promise too!
But like someone else said, Kholi is the one to worry about as he seems to be in shocking form at the moment!