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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: smilley792 on January 20, 2014, 11:17:45 AM
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Dude, didn't even get a chance in sa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25805950 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/cricket/25805950)
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I think its the right decision tbh. Had a real chance against a demoralised attack to show what he could do and he didnt take it
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I think it is a bit harsh. He at least deserved another series to prove the point either way... at least he got more games that Bobby Quiney!
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I am staggered that Marsh has got a gig.
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His dad is popular in senior cricketing circles...
I was shocked how low his test average is... test on debut and then nothing... Apparently he has been scoring runs in the Sheffield Shield (which is a strange observation as they haven't played a round of Sheffield Shield games for a while!)
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Bailey probably isn't up to it, that much is pretty obvious from watching him bat...but having won all five of his tests there is a god argument that he deserved the opportunity to prove the point conclusively one way or the other.
Or am I just disappointed not to see Steyn and Morkel hurt him?
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I personally believe he should have been given atleast one test. To play all 5 and win in a whitewash then dropped, has gotta be dissapointing
Especially as a few of his short leg catches, I doubt would have been caught if he wasn't in that position.
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Or for Bailey to unleash the beast and score a couple of triple centuries... hmmm
He didn't score any runs so to be fair he probably deserves to be put under pressure. Anyway, it is amazing how changing the colour of the clothing effects some players games!
It seems strange that Khawaja and Phil Hughes are probably the form batmen in Australian domestic cricket right now and they didn't replace Bailey
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Five Tests and 8 innings is ample opportunity to see if he can cope at Test level. At 31 he's not going to get much better, only one fifty and a poor series of first innings scores. The issue I see is that they have brought Marsh in, who since being axed from the Test side 2 years ago has averaged 25 in the Shield, only 31 this summer. Even his One Day form didn't warrant a recall to the national side, mind you he has batted pretty well the past few times. Doolan is another 28-30 year old with a less than remarkable FC record, career average of 37, only averages 39 this season. He looks very organised and technically correct, but can he cut it against Steyn, Philander and Morkel? Big ask.
One of them will come in and most likely bat three, meaning Watson gets moved for about the 4th or 5th time in 2 years, which can't be settling. Hughes has scored 2 centuries and triple century and is not even on the plane as a back-up, yet you bring in a guy who has done nothing at all to warrant selection since he got given the flick? Can't work that out...
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On the big bash the other day, Lehman said that Hughes was being monitored adn is doing everything he needs to do. and that Cameron White was as close to being in the national squad as someone can be without actually being picked,
He then picks Doolan and marsh?
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To be fair to Boof he wouldn't have known the final selection at the time of that interview. Interesting interview of Bailey (commentating the last game from memory) where he said that he felt that he did enough and that he just had to wait for the team to be selected.
Price is wrong George!
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As much as I love bails, he was defeated whenever the ball swung and SA where their quicks can swing both ways Doolan and Marsh are the best candidates to cope with the ball moving.. Though I would have had Hughes in their too
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On the big bash the other day, Lehman said that Hughes was being monitored adn is doing everything he needs to do. and that Cameron White was as close to being in the national squad as someone can be without actually being picked,
He then picks Doolan and marsh?
White is back in the T20 squad to be fair, Test days probably over, but he has been a form player this season in all formats. Hughes they see as an opener, so he may not get another chance until Rogers retires, so that may be fair enough, but he deserves at least a tour spot. I really would like to see Chris Lynn get a chance, he is young enough and can play all formats.
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I am staggered that Marsh has got a gig.
Wheres the facepalm icon.....
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The question I ask is: Is Lynn any better than Forrest?
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Doesn't take an Aussie selector to tell that it was coming, deserves it
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For me, while Bailey scored a few runs in a one sided series win, he didn't look like a Test batsman. His one day game is plenty strong enough though, and it's not a disaster to be representing your country in ODIs and T20 is it?
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For me, while Bailey scored a few runs in a one sided series win, he didn't look like a Test batsman. His one day game is plenty strong enough though, and it's not a disaster to be representing your country in ODIs and T20 is it?
Depends if you think test cricket is the main gig or not I suppose. I think he'll get handsomely paid whatever so doubt he cares overly
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Depends if you think test cricket is the main gig or not I suppose
As a fan I'd always choose Test cricket over limited overs, but if I were in Bailey's position I don't think I'd be losing much sleep over missing out on the Test game. Representing my country would be enough for me to be proud of, even just in ODI or T20 formats.
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I am happy to replace George Bailey with the likes of Doolan or Marsh! Doolan scored 160 odd against South Africa in a tour game last year when they were in Australia! He is better suited to there pace attack, while Marsh has a lot to do to really get back in the mix he is a very handy bat he just needs to believe he is as he has self confidence issues! I hope Doolan gets ago get is one of Australia's best batters going around
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I think most ODI specialist players eventually accept that their game is not right for test cricket. It is hardly the end of the world really!
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Bailey probably isn't up to it, that much is pretty obvious from watching him bat...but having won all five of his tests there is a god argument that he deserved the opportunity to prove the point conclusively one way or the other.
Or am I just disappointed not to see Steyn and Morkel hurt him?
Nice, great comment hero.
One thing is for sure, even if hurt, Australians don't leave the tour or pull the pin on their team mates half way through the tour.
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Didn't look the part but he would be doubly disappointed at having been dropped from a winning side and seeing Marsh in the squad.
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Agree, Marsh hasn't exactly piled on the runs so it is hard to see how Bailey can lose his spot. Smacks of favouritism/nepotism... if the selectors were pickng on form then Phil Hughes would be on the plane.
Does anybody know what has happened to Tim Paine? He looked like the next Adam Gilchrist but has stagnated (even Wade is ahead of him). I have seen him in the BBL and he looks like a shadow of the player from 2-3 years ago.
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One thing is for sure, even if hurt, Australians don't leave the tour or pull the pin on their team mates half way through the tour.
Off the top of my head, Ashton Agar left the last tour early.
Damian Martyn retired mid-tour.
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Tim Paine shattered his finger badly. He's lucky he can play cricket at all, as that didn't look possible at one point
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That is massively unfortunate, good on him for coming back then!
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I reckon the selectors got it right, can 't believe I said that!
Marsh deserves a crack but it's this series or bust.
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What has Marsh done to deserve another crack?
But that being said Marsh has the potential to be a test player for Australia whilst Bailey right now does not (that doesn't mean he won't in the future)
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I am not sure Bailey at 31 is going to improves his test game.
Marsh might?
Not that it's an option but Kawalja I think should be given a series and told you are in, so relax and enjoy.
As an Aussie our bowling has depth, batting I can't see any one ripping it up saying select me.
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Marsh is 30 as well...
In some way age is irrelevant, in the modern age players are playing much later (look at Rogers and Hussey from Australia)... wasn't Hussey 31 when he first played test cricket? He then went on to play 80 test matches.
That could be Bailey! or Marsh or anyone if they are good enough! But maybe it should be Phil Hughes or Khawaja?
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mark waugh commented on the lack of depth inthe Aussie batting.
he said back in his day they was batsmen in shield cricket averaging between 50-55 and they was no were near a test place, yet coolant has a shield avg of 39 and is aus next best thing.
has batting standards dropped?
have pitches changed?
or has the bowling improved?
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The first one!
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Marsh is 30 as well...
In some way age is irrelevant, in the modern age players are playing much later (look at Rogers and Hussey from Australia)... wasn't Hussey 31 when he first played test cricket? He then went on to play 80 test matches.
That could be Bailey! or Marsh or anyone if they are good enough! But maybe it should be Phil Hughes or Khawaja?
Good point age isn't the factor, I'm still pulling 20 something's, although apparently 40's the new 20!
As a general overview Australian batting depth appears to me to be on the light side.
Bowlers everywhere although there seems to be a lot recovering from injury.
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I suspect the longevity arises from cutting back on the beer, pies and chips... Booney and Beefy would have hated this modern sport science era!
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Ricky Ponting is actually a good commentator.... insightful comments regarding Marsh and Phil Hughes
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Not too sad to see bailey left out putting to one side his batting ability which incidentally my opinion was that it wasn't good enough at test cricket. The statement that he was proud that 3 Englishmen went home during the tour left a bad taste after he made it. I know I will leave myself open to ridicule however I don't believe it is appropriate considering the nature of Trotts withdrawal from the tour. Maybe the Aussie selectors didn't like that comment who knows?
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Rather odd selection by Australia recalling Shaun Marsh based on his ODI/List A/T20 form.
They've only just realised selecting George Bailey based on ODI form was an error.
Marsh is hardly pulling up trees in the Sheffield Shield either. Averaging under 30, only 1 hundred and 0 fifties.
Both Doolan and Marsh average under 40 in FC, actually both average less than Bailey.
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Not too sad to see bailey left out putting to one side his batting ability which incidentally my opinion was that it wasn't good enough at test cricket. The statement that he was proud that 3 Englishmen went home during the tour left a bad taste after he made it. I know I will leave myself open to ridicule however I don't believe it is appropriate considering the nature of Trotts withdrawal from the tour. Maybe the Aussie selectors didn't like that comment who knows?
You've taken what he's said completely out of context there, mate.
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Don't think so mate, I wouldn't have minded him saying how proud he was of his teams achievements in the Aussie summer. My view is that his comments were in bad taste. I take my hat off to what the Aussies have achieved and congratulate them. However we all must remember and this is not addressed to any nation in particular that the truly great players do not belittle their vanquished opponents. I watch in horror at some of the send offs given by international cricketers to opponents. England are as guilty as anyone for doing it. I will be pilloried for saying so but it is my honest belief that there is no place in any form of cricket for these send offs.
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You have got to remember this is these peoples livelihoods. They need wickets, they are on the big stage, they are pumped up and they do things in the emotion that are probably not planned (and they wouldn't do normally). I think we can't be too precious about these things as long as after the game the teams have a beer (or isotonic catalytical replacement drink) together and let it go. A bit of white line fever is an acceptable part of sport and can maybe spur players on to better performances?
I do agree that some of the verbals probably go to far.. but I am sure we have all said something we regret at some stage!
As an aside I used to love the Brett Lee lawnmower... now that was a classy send off ha ha...
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Everyone knows the statistics..... But I can assure you that anyone who is anyone in the Australian cricket set up knows that Shaun marsh is the second best batsman in the country, full stop. Many regard him as basically the 'second coming'. Obviously it hasn't worked out fully for him (or Australia's hopes) yet. Let's see if maturity and being injury free will see him realize his potential.
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You've taken what he's said completely out of context there, mate.
Completely out of.context, either deliberately to bait, or he's just plain thick....like a lot of the half wits on here, including me.
Bailey was attributing the withdrawals to the pressure applied by the team. The pressure applied was immense, and the reality is that all the poms absolutely cracked, physically, mentally and in some cases both. You mightn't like that being the fact of the matter, but it is. That what Bailey said, nothing more, nothing less.
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I think it is a bit harsh. He at least deserved another series to prove the point either way... at least he got more games that Bobby Quiney!
Why? Did nothing at state or international level in the long version. Your basically saying that anyone who busted a nut at state level shouldn't get a go.
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I think if someone is good enough to be selected then they should be given 10 test matches at least to prove themselves.
Bailey only got 5 tests and Quiney got 2 Tests... that is not enough to make a judgement either way. So why were they dropped? (or why were they selected in the first place?)
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I think if someone is good enough to be selected then they should be given 10 test matches at least to prove themselves.
Bailey only got 5 tests and Quiney got 2 Tests... that is not enough to make a judgement either way. So why were they dropped? (or why were they selected in the first place?)
Good point Cedrictoad. I'd add Kawalja in that group as well.
Reading Pontings book at the moment he alludes it is better to give a player 1 test too many than 1 too few!
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Nice to see it didn't take awp long to return to personal insulting people. TROLL
Doolan injured this morning? Could this be a route back for bailey if it turns out to be long term?
Or Hughes?
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My guess is it'll be down purely to the pitches they were playing on, they were probably hoping that Bailey would come out and tear England to bits like he'd be doing recently in the ODI's before the Ashes
Still a bit of a stab in the back by dropping him from the test squad but keeping him as ODI captain...
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What happens if Bailey scores a big hundred (or two) in the remaining ODIs? Does he all of a sudden become a better selection? Or is he written off now?
I agree that Usman Khawaja was discarded before he was given a proper chance... he is such a talented classy batsman (in my opinion he is test quality).
The reason Australia have been so successful is because of their willingness to give players a chance to settle into the team and get comfortable before they are assessed (to be fair it is much easier when you are winning... which I might add Australia did in the Ashes).
If Doolan pulls out (poor guy getting selected for your country and then getting injured) then who gets the golden ticket?
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The pitch conditions may come into it, but SAF pitches are probably the most similar to Australian pitches... so if Bailey was good enough to play in the Ashes in Australia then I can't see pitch conditions coming into it.
Maybe it is more of a confidence thing mixed with a bit of fear of him being exposed by the SAF pace battery?
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Everyone knows the statistics..... But I can assure you that anyone who is anyone in the Australian cricket set up knows that Shaun marsh is the second best batsman in the country, full stop. Many regard him as basically the 'second coming'. Obviously it hasn't worked out fully for him (or Australia's hopes) yet. Let's see if maturity and being injury free will see him realize his potential.
Do you seriously believe this? :o :o
Past performance is a guide to future performance (regardless to what financial regulators think)
Marsh has batted 154 times in first class cricket, he has scored 4764 runs at 35 with only 8 hundreds and 25 50's. I appreciate there is room for a Trescothic/Vaughan style pick when they are 24 or so, but Marsh is 30.
If he is indeed the second best batsman in Australia, then I will eat the remaining haribo blue smurfs I have next to me in one mouthful and not choke.
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I agree that Usman Khawaja was discarded before he was given a proper chance... he is such a talented classy batsman (in my opinion he is test quality).
When Australia were the best team in the world, they never seemed to have a bad batting pick (there were a few seamers who got a game when perhaps they shouldn't). The reason for that was that there was only ever one slot up for grabs - number six - and the new guy came in there and was bedded in before the order was rearranged however slightly to suit the next new man in. Even the guys who didn't go on to have long careers - Martyn Love and Stuey Law spring to mind - were given that chance.
Note how England mimicked this for about five years.
For Khawaja, you could just as easily read Root, Bairstow, Hughes, Quiney, Taylor et al ad nauseum. In, then out, then in again but in a different slot then oops, dropped, then back to open. With very few exceptions, this is a strategy that always fails - ask Ramps and Greame Hick!
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I must be a bit thick I have only realized that awp's comment was directed at me.lol My comments were my opinion on baileys comments and surely as such are open to interpretation. Sadly the Australian selectors have robbed Mr Bailey of his chance to shine against an extremely capable South African attack. He didn't really shine against an extremely demoralized English attack on his own turf in the recent series so I am sure Steyn Morkel and the rest of the Proteas attack weren't going to lose any sleep over him. Asp was correct I am a bit thick but just round the middle but I would rather say I am build for comfort. Lol
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Swannys comments about cricket coming back to bite certain players on the bum were about the aussie players im sure not KP.
Some of the comments made by warner and this idiot bailey have been just wrong.
On the field fine,no england players have complained...off the field yes damn right stuff said has been out of order.
We lost heavily,the aussies deserved to win everyone knows that,but the aussie batting line up is not world class like 2005 or 2006 apart from clarke
Its their bowlers that have won it for them,haddin has been excellent but bailey is not test class by a long shot
It just a shame morkel and stein cant sort him out as pointed out above
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so what comments did this 'idiot' Bailey actually make that has upset a few of you?
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Hughes would be pretty dejected right now. Averaging 60 something this year, hitting a double century. He has hit runs against this S.A attack before, and North has done so as well. And they still pick those two before him. I actually really enjoy watching Marsh bat well but that doesn't happen often enough.
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To be honest Bailey missed out on a few flat decks against a pretty stressed out bowling line up. Plus just because you are spanking the white ball around doesn't mean anything when it comes to red ball cricket.