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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: smilley792 on December 18, 2014, 10:39:57 AM
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And its underway.
And kp makes 66 off 46 balls. First score in a while. Luke wright not hitting it bad either.
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Is this shown on TV in the UK?
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Some would argue our two most effective limited overs batsmen >:(
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Just found it, Sky Sports 1.
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KP's boys hammered!
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both being show up by Ludeman though!
really wish people would leave the whole KP situation now. yes he scored 66. Big deal, he isn't going to play for England again.
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I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion!
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I suppose everyone is entitled to their opinion!
that is true but god knows how many months down the line and its the same old story? just getting a bit bored of it really.
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Top start by Ludey, very good gloveman and showed whats hes capable of doing with the bat too
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I agree. But I suppose as long as he's still playing and scoring runs, people will still be linking him to England.
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both being show up by Ludeman though!
really wish people would leave the whole KP situation now. yes he scored 66. Big deal, he isn't going to play for England again.
Because people aren't happy to be ECB hacks and just let them off?? Maybe it's a matter of principle rather than anything to do with it being KP?? Why should we just allow downton and the ECB to 'move on'.
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happy with KP scoring runs... now for Freddie to get some wickets and runs and this tournament will have me watching their teams :)
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Because people aren't happy to be ECB hacks and just let them off?? Maybe it's a matter of principle rather than anything to do with it being KP?? Why should we just allow downton and the ECB to 'move on'.
because KP was a complete fool and made his own bed. whilst I don't for one minute think it was all him, if half the stories that have been said are true then he deserves to be out of a job. it should be a privilege to play professional sport. if you don't do things properly you don't deserve that place.
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because KP was a complete fool and made his own bed. whilst I don't for one minute think it was all him, if half the stories that have been said are true then he deserves to be out of a job. it should be a privilege to play professional sport. if you don't do things properly you don't deserve that place.
what about the others? breaking windows? no'1'ing on the square... getting in punch ups in australia.. hitting lockers.. etc etc etc.. yet only one player is sacked??
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He's show himself to be a pain in the ass nearly everywhere he's been... That's what does it for me. Anyway, what other English players are in this then? KP, Wright, Carberry, Bresnan? Any more?
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He's show himself to be a pain in the ass nearly everywhere he's been... That's what does it for me. Anyway, what other English players are in this then? KP, Wright, Carberry, Bresnan? Any more?
totally agree, as I said.. it's not really about KP the man.. It's more that just letting it go etc is bowing to the ECB and that's surely what we don't want to happen.
Not sure tbh, Wright, Freddie and KP are the only one's I know about
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I don't consider hitting lockers or peeing on the square in the same context as texting the oppo slagging off your team mates and telling them how to get them out or being the destructive force he is. its nothing against KP, just think the decision has been made and that's it.
Im sure I am in the minority on this front but enough is enough. No amount of complaining will get him back in the side so just move on.
anyway - back to the Big bash.
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Did anyone else think the coverage was very good? Having the batsman wear a camera and a mic was awesome, I found it amazing that KP was laughing and joking with Gilchrist and Ponting as Shaun Tait was flinging down 95mph bombs at him. Some of the POV shots against Tait, particularly the first bumper I didn't even see the ball!
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Flintoff - Brisbane Heat
KP - Melbourne Stars
Wright - Melbourne Stars
Morgan - Sydney Thunder
Lumb - Sydney Sixers
Hales - Hobart Hurricanes
Bresnan - Hobart Hurricanes
Carberry - Perth Scorchers
There we go.
Are they still doing the batsman cameras with the gopro towering up on their helmets like Gilly did in the MCC v ROW match :D?
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Kp had the camera on today. Some good views. They showed the gilly footage vs tait to.
A good coverage, I good game. Great hitting by ludeman.
As for kp, he scored runs, I shall talk about it. He's a great play or was. Depends on your view point. But I personally don't care about the behind the scenes stuff. When's he's on song he's amazing to watch. So watch I will.
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And replay is on now,
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Flintoff - Brisbane Heat
KP - Melbourne Stars
Wright - Melbourne Stars
Morgan - Sydney Thunder
Lumb - Sydney Sixers
Hales - Hobart Hurricanes
Bresnan - Hobart Hurricanes
Carberry - Perth Scorchers
There we go.
Are they still doing the batsman cameras with the gopro towering up on their helmets like Gilly did in the MCC v ROW match :D?
Not a bad little ODI team that - obviously the aussies know more about selecting a team than the current england management (sorry couldn't resist a dig!).
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Anyone mind telling me why the West Indian captain is in Australia playing BBL while his team are struggling on a tour of South Africa.
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Anyone mind telling me why the West Indian captain is in Australia playing BBL while his team are struggling on a tour of South Africa.
Money...
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Charming. All bodes well for our beloved game.
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Charming. All bodes well for our beloved game.
Easy to say that. At the end of the day it's a job. If one job is paying you more than another, then why not do it?
Sportsmen have a limited shelf life, can't blame them for wanting to earn while they can.
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hes ODI captain ramdin is test captain so might not have been picked in test squad?
I cant remember him getting picked in the original test team but surely he is one of the best 11 test players in WI
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I might be wrong here but surely Gayle, Narine (yep know about the chucking but even so), Bravo, Pollard are potentially better test players than some of the guys in the present team. When poor old Chanders get's wheeled out to save the day (again) at nearly 40 odd, then you know things could be better.
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I haven't seen gayle advertised in big bash as I think he is injured as he was supposed to go to South Africa
Bravo yes he should be in but pollard and narine seem to be one day specialists
narine for whatever reason has a horrible record in tests
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Massive play from kallis and hussey! Both 39 and getting 90 odds.
Flintoff bowled too shirt IMO! 25 off his two.
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Kallis started very scratchy but started middling it at around 40 and just kept going... Not much to be said about Hussey but what a freak
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That total will take some chasing!
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Yeah. A second ball wicket don't help.
Joes burns in, new aus test player. A t20 slap just what you need 5 days before a big test.....
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Yeah. A second ball wicket don't help.
Joes burns in, new aus test player. A t20 slap just what you need 5 days before a big test.....
Compared to our tactic of not letting them play any form of county cricket at all :D.
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Compared to our tactic of not letting them play any form of county cricket at all :D.
Yep, and everyone claims broad and Anderson are always burnt out as play to much cricket........... Lol
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Was told by the lad in LEC ( now owned by Owzat) in Scarborough that Freddie will be using their own brand of gear for the big bash? Will be interesting to see?
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Looks like a mars cricket bat
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Was told by the lad in LEC ( now owned by Owzat) in Scarborough that Freddie will be using their own brand of gear for the big bash? Will be interesting to see?
Was just going to ask what kit Fred was using.
The logo was just a white M on the front sticker I think, didn't recognise it.
Will try get a picture of they show it again.
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What do I know. It is owzats optimax brand
http://www.owzat-cricket.co.uk/acatalog/2014-OptiMax-Pyro-Cricket-Bat.html (http://www.owzat-cricket.co.uk/acatalog/2014-OptiMax-Pyro-Cricket-Bat.html)
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Optimax. On Owzat website.
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Here he is!
I remembered I coukd rewind live TV and got these, in doing so I missed the wicket that bought Freddy to the crease :-[
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/99737E81-5233-412B-AF4B-A7C7D769259B_zpss3e5ep8g.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/99737E81-5233-412B-AF4B-A7C7D769259B_zpss3e5ep8g.jpg.html)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb450/CPye061194/2228B2D5-95BD-42C8-8240-177E47DBF403_zpsa3z8j5h4.jpg) (http://s1206.photobucket.com/user/CPye061194/media/2228B2D5-95BD-42C8-8240-177E47DBF403_zpsa3z8j5h4.jpg.html)
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He said they're Indian made, never said by whom?
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Apparently Freddie is good mates with the Owzat owner??
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Haha, the bats gone already!
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First bat didn't last long.
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He said they're Indian made, never said by whom?
I would imagine SS, SG or Larson.
From the shape, I'd say SS.
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Or Freddie. Few more inches it would have cleared it!
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Or Freddie. Few more inches it would have cleared it!
That's what she said...
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Have 2 of the old optimax bats, both pinged really well.
To me the old ones look like they're out of the BAS factory.
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I would imagine SS, SG or Larson.
From the shape, I'd say SS.
His maybe, but other optimax a I'm not sure, there mainly custom made to customers specs, and the two at our club were made in a 2day turnaround.
Hard to do that from India?
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Just what I was told from the manager of the shop? If they have large stocks maybe just found him something to match his requirements in 2 days?!
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2 day turnaround... Sounds like a Hunts thing?
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Just what I was told from the manager of the shop? If they have large stocks maybe just found him something to match his requirements in 2 days?!
If they have huge stocks of sh width blades in size 6 length and at 2.5 then I think they'd go bankrupt! Jords smaller than James taylor. Lol
I've been in and out of owzat Mansfield for years, and although they never said were or who, they've always claimed "locally made"
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It's all over. Thunder actually win! Is it gonna be there year??
TBH the heat scored at a decent whack, just too many runs to chase out huge scoreboard pressure on in the last 5 overs, and the shot choices told.
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Ok mate, point taken. They wouldn't have that in stock. Large contradiction in what I've been told vs what you've been told then? Can't really see many advantages of telling me they're Indian made if they're UK made though?! Perhaps a mix. Majority Indian made with specific/short notice orders UK made and stickered up. Who knows?
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Saying its indian made when it's English made, isn't that usually the other way round?? :D
And I can't see why you'd do that, if I want an Indian made bat I get it direct from India, much cheaper than going through a retailer ;)
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That's what I thought WW?!
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Tbh they probably are Indian made, but when you start asking for specifics or specials just get it made up and stickered.
They stock hunts, so probably have both there stock from there Indian contacts, and the one of made by them there. And just sticker up as they arrive
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Yeah, reckon that's as good a guess as any Smilley?
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What do I know. It is owzats optimax brand
[url]http://www.owzat-cricket.co.uk/acatalog/2014-OptiMax-Pyro-Cricket-Bat.html[/url] ([url]http://www.owzat-cricket.co.uk/acatalog/2014-OptiMax-Pyro-Cricket-Bat.html[/url])
Good to see them using a unique model name
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Of all the shots played so far one of the most impressive has to be Morgans late dab today between himself and leg stump.
Hussey and Kallis gave everyone a lesson in batsman ship, pure class!
I don't think Freddie bowled that bad TBH, He came on when 2 of the best bats in the world were set and bowled one bad ball in his first over which Hussey pulled for 4 and a length ball in his 2nd that Kallis smashed miles over deep mid wicket, he went for 24 off 2 which is round about par for the total score. I think he will get better with a game or 2 under his belt.
With the pitches giving the bowlers some pace and bounce to work with it looks like being a more interesting comp than the IPL.
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Michael Carberry on show in todays match.
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Painful viewing
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Seemed to be struggling a bit there. Thought he looked like he was going to go decently after the first ball but just couldn't connect.
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I'm enjoying this game, looks like it's going down to the wire.
Really enjoyed Brad Hodge's batting so far.
And here's a familiar face, Ashton Agar
Also the commentator are discussing the players bats now, this is 1million times better than the English hot and giggle competition!
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Also worth noting
The Aussie audience get a legend of the game on the mic in Gilly, we get Nasser Hussain and Bob Willis.
They get all the luck down under!
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Anyone not watching this is missin out!
126/8 Hodge gone for 42
Game, set and match Scorchers.
As I say that a ball sails into the crowd - 15 from 12! Game on :D
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What a finish. Zampa finally gets bat on ball
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Strikers win by one wicket!
Great finish to a great game! Adam Zampa runs out the man striking them well and is on strike with 7 needed off 3, 9 wickets down and one of the best T20 bowlers, Yasir Arafat, bowling.
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Also worth noting
The Aussie audience get a legend of the game on the mic in Gilly, we get Nasser Hussain and Bob Willis.
They get all the luck down under!
Channel 9 pick up all the Australian equivalents for the test matches :D. They also get Ponting commentating on some of these games as well.
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Anyone care to explain why some professional cricketers are playing with the stickers still on the brim of their caps?
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Anyone care to explain why some professional cricketers are playing with the stickers still on the brim of their caps?
Its part of the cap design it appears.
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Gilly
Ponting
Clarke
Waugh
Miles above our bunch of idiots
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Its part of the cap design it appears.
No I know the stickers come with the hats, the hat maker also make hats for MLB/NBA etc, but in those sports stickers aren't allow on the field(court in NBA's case) of play.
I've seen many 'rappers' with the stickers left on their hats, looks stupid IMO.
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Looks stupid to anyone over a certain age. But to the youths off today. It's a sacrilege to remove them.
Big bash just trying to go with the times and get the youths interested......
anyway why I came in here. Lol at maxwells batting!
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Also Roy has just signed for Sydney thunder!
I'd presume to replace morgan when he joins up with England.
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As good as the BBL has been, most of the games have been very one sided.
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One close game, I find most t20 games are in sided mainly. Enjoy the watch though from an entertainment point of view.
2wickets to Freddie flintoff to add to his 15runs(2fours 1 six at 150) better game for the big guy!
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Poor Fred just home for 21 in the 19th over to give the stars an outside chance
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This game no longer one sided.
Flintoff slack of pace cost,
Driffield just served up a big full toos. 7 of 3 needed.
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Looks like stars might pull this one off. A close game out of nowhere
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Heat win by 1 run!
Massive hang time, dropped catch, ran 3 and nearly a run out from last ball.
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My dad just had to basically drag my mum away from the tv and she never watches cricket!
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anyway why I came in here. Lol at maxwells batting!
Ball by ball highlights of his innings here ;)
https://vine.co/v/OHYBjgrW72M
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Outstanding cricket. A pleasure to watch. Both sides.
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This Harris looks a decent t20 player. Nice find.
Carberry sliding down the order, although langer claims for a right hand left hand combo tactic........ Could be a cover up for lack of timing in last two games?
Let's see if notts duo carry sixes again in 2nd innings
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Here he is!
I remembered I coukd rewind live TV and got these, in doing so I missed the wicket that bought Freddy to the crease :-[
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I've seen these bats in the flesh and used one for a short net with, can't say there my cup of tea but decent for the money I guess,the one I would use the optimal from the previous season the ky-le enforcer, really good stick and seems better quality then the pyro
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Can anyone view the videos on the Big Bash website?
they dont seem to want to play for me through any web browser :( (Chrome/FireFox/Safari).
Freddie was using a GN yesterday I thought? He broke one of the Pyro's 1st game and they bought out another one with which he got caught on the boundary with when going for the big one. They are Owzats own brand I believe.
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Can anyone view the videos on the Big Bash website?
they dont seem to want to play for me through any web browser :( (Chrome/FireFox/Safari).
Freddie was using a GN yesterday I thought? He broke one of the Pyro's 1st game and they bought out another one with which he got caught on the boundary with when going for the big one. They are Owzats own brand I believe.
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Didn't see him play in the most recent game but the photo above shows the GN. The Optimax brand is Owzats. Made by PR i believe but i could be wrong. Freddie has had a close association with Owzat in the past. Considering every brand that has shown an interest in him recently (TON and Spartan i know for sure) were seemingly not prepared to take much of a risk (if any) in terms of a financial package to sponsor him, i guess he thought he may as well help his friends at Owzat out for nothing.
Kookaburra pads as well, but i think a lot of players have got them for the big bash, maybe kookaburra are providing them in all the whacky colours. I saw Morgan had Kook ones the other day.
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Didn't see him play in the most recent game but the photo above shows the GN. The Optimax brand is Owzats. Made by PR i believe but i could be wrong. Freddie has had a close association with Owzat in the past. Considering every brand that has shown an interest in him recently (TON and Spartan i know for sure) were seemingly not prepared to take much of a risk (if any) in terms of a financial package to sponsor him, i guess he thought he may as well help his friends at Owzat out for nothing.
Kookaburra pads as well, but i think a lot of players have got them for the big bash, maybe kookaburra are providing them in all the whacky colours. I saw Morgan had Kook ones the other day.
Vitas lads,
As Freddie is going through lots of bats as we've seen what would you recommend if he came to you guys, after something I'm guessing late 2lb maybe 3lb lots of meat all though the blade. Any ideas
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Vitas lads,
As Freddie is going through lots of bats as we've seen what would you recommend if he came to you guys, after something I'm guessing late 2lb maybe 3lb lots of meat all though the blade. Any ideas
Fred specifically i would tell to go back to Hunts and get them to make a bat just like the one they made for him during THE Ashes when he was with Woodworm. They still have one of them that he must have given back to them as a thank you when he was finished with it. It's colossal.
If we are talking about a lower order bosher in the style of Fred, assuming they wanted something a little heavier, then a GM Octane is a good all round shape and starts at 2'10, going up to very heavy. I have a huge Oblivion E41 5 Star Extreme at 3lb 1oz that might be right. Affinity Spectre, a heavier B&S Impi, Kook Cadejo is a huge bat also. Quite a few options that i would think of given the brief, but ultimately the player needs to find what feels right for them.
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From Freddie's instagram
Looks like he had three bats! And loads of Trusox
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From Freddie's instagram
Looks like he had three bats! And loads of Trusox
He's broke two already hasn't he,
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Commentators were saying he'd taken those out with him, broken one and then realised all his teammates' bats were way bigger than his, so changed!
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Commentators were saying he'd taken those out with him, broken one and then realised all his teammates' bats were way bigger than his, so changed!
I'm not saying there bad bats I live in Derby and lots of guys have Opti's in various ranges, but they're just not the best bats for the money that other sponsored players are using I mean a 150 pound bat which is maybe grade 2 at best or a players grade grays or kook in a bigger Weight you know what I mean
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Hales out tamely tor 29 of 26.
Nice cover drive, a massive six. Apart from that looked nervous, miss timed a few, and lucky to survive a lbw shout sweeping on 0.
5 dots in a row and he just walked past one.
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He doesn't seem to have a middle game, it's either a massive slog or blocking.
Heading for another one sided game here.
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He doesn't seem to have a middle game, it's either a massive slog or blocking.
Heading for another one sided game here.
When he's in form he plays some lovely drives through the offside with some half decent footwork.
But when his head drops and form goes. They vanish completely.
Hopefully a bit off confidence from today as he stills cored at 100 plus means he unprocessed through the tournament.
As for the game, commentators reckon it's a flat track. Yet hob art 70 for 6 now. Strikers could knock this off in less than 10!
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Another Englishman that has looked good without kicking on for a big score is Lumb. He's as good a hitter through backward point and cover going around, but keeps getting himself out in the 20s and 30s. Great crowd in Adelaide, the redevelopment of the ground means a 50K capacity, and it doesn't look like there are too many vacant seats...
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First time Ive heard KP commentate. Certainly loves the sound of his own voice doesn't he. Other guys barley get a word in.
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Good value, he actually had a decent cricket brain when he talks cricket. Mind you Flem and Howie are feeding him plenty of material to talk about himself, and he's duly obliged.
Simmons and Ludeman are making light work of this run chase...
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Hmm. Who would I rather have commentating on limited overs cricket. Pietersen and Flintoff or the extremely interesting strauss and nick knight........ snooze fest in england.
Aussie have it right!
Ludeman is a beast with a bat. 32 of 16 and some 90m plus 6s already.
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Ludeman looks a real player.
Still can't make my mind up about KP,but was good to hear him be complimentary about Ali Cook
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Ludeman looks a real player.
Still can't make my mind up about KP,but was good to hear him be complimentary about Ali Cook
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Well that bat will need a few dowels...
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Freddie is a crack-up, would hope he gives commentary a real go, he's got the personality for it.
Ludeman moved to Adelaide from Melbourne, pretty sure Darren Berry got him over. Was just playing club cricket and got a chance with the SA Shield side. His FC batting record is pretty ordinary actually, still below 30 but at one point it was 15-20 so it has improved of recent times. Is considered among the best 2-3 pure gloveman in Shield cricket.
Just as he hits another into the crowd!
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Well that bat will need a few dowels...
That storm damage that causes that? What brand is it can't tell??
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That storm damage that causes that? What brand is it can't tell??
Looks like a southern cross
http://southerncrosscricket.com.au (http://southerncrosscricket.com.au)
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Kallis flying this morning. 69 of 47 with 5 overs left. Can he do it??
Having a good tournament is jk
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Strange from commentary team and fans.
Carberry although never looking fluent still scored 69* off 49 balls. Yet was being jeered by his own crowd, booed for shots not going for 4s, and the commentary team laying into him, and saying about his test sr of 41 is showing......
Yet whiteman who was on 8 from 13 balls at the same time, being bigged up as a future great that could play all formats for aus given the chance.......
And they say the English are biased!
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Typical, I managed to fall asleep during the interval and wake up in the final over :(. Did Carberry look a bit more fluent than before or was he still kind of top edging and mis timing everything?
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Yes, I thought they were unreasonably hard on him too. He played well but I guess the standards are set extraordinarily high for the international guys.
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So a strike rate of 141 isn't good enough now??
You'd be getting 170 par score if everyone went at that...
Then again I'm a Carberry fan so am just pleased to see him in the runs
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Ludeman is using TNF (Tails Never Fails). Small brand out of Victoria. https://www.facebook.com/tnfcricket (https://www.facebook.com/tnfcricket)
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Good website - I like the front page!
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Interesting that Hilfenhaus has been told he's not required for tonight's clash against the Heat. Looks like they desperately need him judging by the rubbish I'm watching at the moment.
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Shame Bailey had to swear, really liked the fact they kept his mic on the whole time as captain, was quite interesting to listen to.
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He didn't bowl well in the last game did hilf. 32 of 1.3 overs.
Add to that a flat batting track. Very short boundaries with which the strong breeze was taking them.
And to be fair the bowlers were always on to a drubbing.
Boyce bowled his leg spin well though!
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I know he got hammered by Ludey in the last game but Mennie / Reed bowled an awful lot of rubbish.
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Looking at the bowling figures they all went for around 10 an over. Hilf may have gone same more or took a few vital wickets.
Bet he is back next game though.
Hales dropped from opener. He ain't having a great time.
Besnan in for next game though as Sammy joins windies. Bowling improvement???
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Hobart making a decent fist of this huge run chase. 50 up before the end of the 5th over, Freddie copped some tap, 18 off his 1st over.
This game is showcasing some of the most brutal hitters of a cricket ball in the Aussie domestic scene. Dan Christian, Chris Lynn, Ben Cutting, Ben Dunk...
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Dunk hitting bombs!! 26ball fifty up!
Stokes just signed for renegade to. Doubt he'll be there in time for tomoz game though
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This is ridiculous, even Paine is starting to go. Canes are making this look like a doddle...
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I cannot believe how many balls are wide left, wide right, far too short, full toss, etc....
No wonder both of these teams are at the bottom end of the competition.
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Flint off' death bowling in the last two games hasn't been great. That being said pretty much all bowlers have been smashed today
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Enormous 6 from Bailey there, 97 metres!
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This over so far making Flintoff look good.
Strange innings from hales. Sensible batting still st a 100+ sr And then his two attempts at big hits were a pitching wedge with back spin that landed in the circle. And then straight down long ons throat.
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Flintoff seems a bit of a liability in the field too. Probably couldn't have stopped that 4 at short fine leg but I've seen milk turn quicker!
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Melbourne BBL Derby: No love lost between 'local' rivals and international team 'buddies' Finch and Maxwell. Finch sledges Maxwell, "from 3 to 6, and the out of the team, that's how it goes boys" (or something similar). Sadly Maxwell didn't stick around long after that. Not a massive Finch fan but apart from that comment, there's something really irritating about him. My wife calls him Arrogant Finch.
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Looks like a complete one sided game after all the build up
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Good for the tournament if All Stars get the win. Better for the marriage if they get it over with quickly. Love the nightly cricket but it's not universally popular in the household. Oops there goes another! On the comment made by Gilly about what Cameron White might have called Andre Russell when he posed for the check finish, what Australianism could that have been - he wasn't prepared to utter it on air? Great there's goes another caught in the keeper's undercarriage.
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yeah the sky commentators interrupted local commentary and then an apology was made by them? Can someone clarify/elaborate as to what happened, thanks,
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There's no filter on Channel 10's coverage. Yesterday Bailey dropped the F-bomb when his mic was turned on presumably just before they were about to speak to him.
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There's no filter on Channel 10's coverage. Yesterday Bailey dropped the F-bomb when his mic was turned on presumably just before they were about to speak to him.
Yesterday they left Baileys (who was captain) mic on the whole fielding innings and to be honest it was a great insight, think he realised his mistake and when he was walking off the field apologised. Today they appear to have been forced to record the captains and play them back shortly after.
I noticed sky's intervention today but didn't actually pick up on what was actually said.
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Mic'ing up the cpt and batsmen is the way forward, should happen in odi's as quick as possible and probably tests too. Have all batsmen mic's up and a few fielders too
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Mic'ing up the cpt and batsmen is the way forward, should happen in odi's as quick as possible and probably tests too. Have all batsmen mic's up and a few fielders too
Correct me if I'm wrong but have we actually found a modern technology cricket use that was actually started being used in cricket over here :o. Quite sure sky were doing it in county cricket first. Now there's a shocker!
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Correct me if I'm wrong but have we actually found a modern technology cricket use that was actually started being used in cricket over here :o. Quite sure sky were doing it in county cricket first. Now there's a shocker!
Did they?? I didn't think sky showed more than the very very random county game. Every game should be streamed live like the Aussie stuff
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Did they?? I didn't think sky showed more than the very very random county game. Every game should be streamed live like the Aussie stuff
Quite sure this summer sky did a t20 game nearly every friday night. Can't remember if they did this year but they used to mic up a player on each team.
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Quite sure this summer sky did a t20 game nearly every friday night. Can't remember if they did this year but they used to mic up a player on each team.
Yeah I know they did some in the t20. You said county crixket so I assumed you meant the proper stuff
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Until they get there head out of there a holes, and go franchises. Itll all be county stuff.
And last year, they had probably 2 out of 3 Friday's on telly, if there was a test match on, an odi, or a gust of wind, it was an excuse not to show.
To say there was 9, games a weekend, plus finals day, over 11 weeks, that's 93 games. Of which sky showed 9 games lives. 9 games!
Ipl and bigbash they show every game live. Some thing wrong there? But then england behind the times is the norm at mo.
Back to big bash, very bad weather in Melbourne, thunderstorms of great magnitude, and the game goes on, how good is a roofed cricket stadium! I know we had one game in the millennium stadium, probably about time, that more were organised there for a guaranteed completed game.
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Agree to the stadium.. Roofed venues are the future?
It would make tests not dependant on the weather too which is good news
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Until they get there head out of there a holes, and go franchises. Itll all be county stuff.
And last year, they had probably 2 out of 3 Friday's on telly, if there was a test match on, an odi, or a gust of wind, it was an excuse not to show.
To say there was 9, games a weekend, plus finals day, over 11 weeks, that's 93 games. Of which sky showed 9 games lives. 9 games!
Ipl and bigbash they show every game live. Some thing wrong there? But then england behind the times is the norm at mo.
Back to big bash, very bad weather in Melbourne, thunderstorms of great magnitude, and the game goes on, how good is a roofed cricket stadium! I know we had one game in the millennium stadium, probably about time, that more were organised there for a guaranteed completed game.
Problem is franchises would kill the remaining counties not getting an income from it.
Problem here is if you don't have enough viewers for them to televise them initially, do you really think running them alongside international matches is going to be worthwhile?
There is also the OD games that were televised.
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I missed the start of the Heat v Strikers, why was Flintoff not playing? He's great on commentary though.
Also the ECB could learn a thing or 2 from how CA run the big bash, great comp.
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Problem is franchises would kill the remaining counties not getting an income from it.
Problem here is if you don't have enough viewers for them to televise them initially, do you really think running them alongside international matches is going to be worthwhile?
There is also the OD games that were televised.
No franchise is affiliated with a county, they merely use there grounds(unless other grounds can be utilised I.e millennium stadium, etc)
All money goes into pot, and the divided equal between all counties to pay for the loan if players, & close of there season while tournament run.
Indian, Australian haven't seen a sudden folding off first class sides due to a franchised t20 tournament. Why do you think england will suddenly see them all fold?
As for televised, test finish at 6-6.30. T20 starts at 6.30 to 7. So no over lapping. People watch both.
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Because they have 1.3bn supporters in India's case and in Australia's case because they have only 6 fc sides.
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We don't have 1.3billion supporters. And we have 18 fc sides.
We are never gonna have 1.3billion supporters either, but we can have less fc sides.
Can't remember which but one of the west Indian commentators this summer says more first class sides dissolve the player pool and create lesser players.
All sides having 2 or 3 good enough doesn't make for a demanding league and players play against mediocre opposition Weeke in and out and become mediocre.
Have half the teams. And all teams have 9/10 great players the competition is strong week in week out and players kick on and improve if good enough.
The fact that england take there internationals from mot divisions, not just one, shows the split league system hasn't worked to correct this.
Too many teams imo. Probably never change though. So for now I just have to watch the ipl and big bash and dream out domestic tournament will one day be as good as there's are. Because currently. It is not.
Not sure why flintoff was dropped. And can't seem to find anything mentioning it. Maybe he needed a rest? He didn't seem disgruntled regarding in commentary.
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Quite sure making over 100 cricketers (approaching 200 probably), 9 businesses and 9 sports grounds practically redundant will have some quite large legal and financial requirements though.
There's also the fact that in for example Australia they have much more focused populations (conveniently in cities with teams...) where as over here it is wider spread.
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Always red tape in everything. And you are right. Be very harsh to just say bye to 9 teams and it's players.
But there is a way.
Merely stop bailing out the ones that can't run at a profit until 9 are left..........
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Yorkshire
Durham
Glamorgan
Warwickshire
Essex
Hampshire
Kent
Lancashire
Leicestershire
According to the telegraph those are the counties who made a loss in the 2012 season (latest I could find) and ironically 6/9 of them are test grounds. Warwickshire, Lancashire and Durham were bailed out the most by the ECB.
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An insight into the mess that is our cricketing set up. Whatever happens. I dobtt staying the same will work for the good
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The t20 blast is a lost cause. It's just going more and more down hill.
Playing t20's this year though the summer is a stupid idea. You attract big crowds by having international stars. How's playing though the summer going to attract international players. No wonder sky don't want to show much of the competition. They've got the rights for the IpL so don't expect more t20 blast
Too many teams, too many games, poor pitches, poor quality players.
Even the Caribbean t20 competition attracts more international players than the t20 blast now
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Too many teams, too many games, poor pitches, poor quality players.
Even the Caribbean t20 competition attracts more international players than the t20 blast now
Couldn't agree more most counties have 2-3 players (barring Internationals) that could play Big bash level.
ECB really need to think long and hard about the future of domestic cricket not just the national test team
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Easiest way to franchise it would be the 10 standard international grounds. If you went down the BB route of 1 match per day and then kept the finals day you would get it in in just under 50 days.
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There has to be some sort of review to ever make it to the T20 into some sort of exciting spectacle.
I guess you could make it into tiers. So the top 8 play each other, then the next 10 in div 2. Two up, two down. Top 4 into finals day?
Have a window of 4 weeks to play the games.
Make the top tier flashy and noisy with bright lights etc. div 2 can be a bit more restrained.
You would have to give the option of players playing at different counties compared to the FC though,?to make sure the best players can be 'hired' from their counties.
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We don't have 1.3billion supporters. And we have 18 fc sides.
more first class sides dissolve the player pool and create lesser players.
here here
More counties means more weak players playing county cricket... ie earning a darn good living for not being very good (when compared to the actual good players). We do need to ensure only the best play county cricket, rather than like it has been over time and some avg players making a darn good living.
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Not that good a living for those not that good to be honest. Doubt most of the 'not very good players' presumably at the lower counties such as Leicestershire get much over £30k at the most.
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We need to reduce the number of counties. Not easy to do as each county will claim to deserve to survive. Whilst sam was right that Australia are based mainly in their cities and England/Wales isn't, that shouldn't mean we don't focus on the big cities. At the end of the day that's where most people are and cities are easy to get to.
9 Counties, make the rest minor counties (and do NOT give them money, these must fund themselves and not just use ECB money (either via the ECB or via their county boards!!!).
Return county 2nds to using the local top players to give people something to aim for and reward those performing the top 3-4 divs in that county.
As for the T20's, that should defo be city based franchises, completely separate to the county structure. Players can be hired for any T20 side etc.
Base them in
Brum, London (Probably get 2 in each?), manchester, leeds, nottingham and then where ever else has a good catchment area.
Teams like Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, Sommerset really don't have the fan base (by that I mean the numbers who will turn out most T20 games to support etc) to demand to be a franchise.
30k if you aren't very good at something is a pretty decent wage given they get free kit, clothing, food, hotels and possibly things like cars etc. all adds up. Just think how much we spend on kit, training clothing etc alone per year.
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I remember when I was playing 2nd XI stuff back in 2003, the average wage for a county cricketer, of any kind, was £24k.
Some very good cricketers were going to other fields because of their earning power. I played with three lads who went on to be professional rugby players instead when they were arguably better cricketers and
Tom Burrows, who was Hants WK behind Pothas, is the only one I know who initially turned down following a Law career to continue to play cricket.
It is like football, salaries will rise as the sport becomes more popular. They will also need to rise if the best players are to be retained.
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Just some interesting stuff :
Map of FC county ground locations, those in red are the international grounds :
(http://i.gyazo.com/49f855ab8570b2727900663a8ba76f19.png)
List of counties by the amount of members they had in the 2012 season :
(http://i.gyazo.com/32d7fb9242b7724e133ecee9d46a045e.png)
In addition the PCA estimates the average county cricketer work roughly 50 hours a week and when you consider the amount of regular travelling and time away from home that's quite high. I think its Durham who in the coming season are going to end up doing nearly about a month straight on the roads down south?
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I remember when I was playing 2nd XI stuff back in 2003, the average wage for a county cricketer, of any kind, was £24k.
Some very good cricketers were going to other fields because of their earning power. I played with three lads who went on to be professional rugby players instead when they were arguably better cricketers and
Tom Burrows, who was Hants WK behind Pothas, is the only one I know who initially turned down following a Law career to continue to play cricket.
It is like football, salaries will rise as the sport becomes more popular. They will also need to rise if the best players are to be retained.
I don't doubt wages need to be enough to retain the 'best' players, there is a huge difference between the 'best' players and the avg guys. Still, 24k and then the free kit, food, training kit, training sessions etc isn't a bad life! considering they hardly work long hours really, longest day is the 90 overs in a day.. if they are just training it's a nice short day most of the time.
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I don't doubt wages need to be enough to retain the 'best' players, there is a huge difference between the 'best' players and the avg guys. Still, 24k and then the free kit, food, training kit, training sessions etc isn't a bad life! considering they hardly work long hours really, longest day is the 90 overs in a day.. if they are just training it's a nice short day most of the time.
I edited it in above but the PCA estimated the average county cricketer works 50 hours a week. 25% more than the countries standard of about 40 and in addition there's the periods away from home.
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Was going to say it's unfair to lump Somerset with the other counties that struggle for Spectators. Taunton is full every time I've been there for limited overs games and even has respectable crowds for midweek county championship games
The fairest way to reduce the number of 'first class' pro teams is to do away with the current system altogether. Keep the counties as they are but get rid of this minor counties nonsense. 4 or 5 divisions of 8 or 10 teams (how many counties are there?) where Anyone can go up to the highest league or down to the lowest based on players ability and business acumen. Just like football and rugby. I have no doubt whatsoever that this would encourage outside investment. And if you don't secure the investment you don't get the standard of player you need for that division and you go down until you find your level
Each league has its own t20 and 50 over comps with obviously only the premier league being televised
This first class and minor counties nonsense is outdated and holding back the sport
Why should teams be guaranteed professional status just because they were around 100 years ago when it all began? It's ridiculous and doesn't happen in other sports
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Or perhaps a 50 over comp similar to the FA cup where you can draw any team would be interesting. Something needs to change because some current counties have been on their (No Swearing Please) for years
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You've got 38 counties including the minor counties. Problem is they themselves don't play any type of multi day cricket I believe?
Edit : I'm incorrect, they play 3 day cricket.
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How's this for a rough go at organising into 10 franchises, tried to get best geographical coverage and balance of rivalries:
1 Yorks
2 Lancs
3 Warks/Worcs
4 Durham
5 Derbs/Notts
6 Glos/Glam
7 Hampshire/Som
8/9 Middlesex, Surrey, Essex, Kent, Sussex into 2 teams.
10 Leics/Northants
Teams would share out revenues to make sure the smaller counties still get funds from it, and in some cases (Glos/Glam being the obvious one) possibly split the matches between their grounds. Main cities would be Leeds, Manchester, London x2, Birmingham, Nottingham, Durham, Southampton, Bristol, Leicester.
Alternatively base it on cities and merge the counties to suit - Bristol, Cardiff, Manchester, London x2, Southampton, Nottingham, Birmingham, Durham, Leeds. That's one city for every major cricket area (also all the international grounds), plus an extra team for London. Makes more sense as a concept, harder to sell to the counties though.
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Has to be city based really, mainly because otherwise you get all the counties squabbling.
The ecb should pump money into it to ensure stars are attracted and tickets are cheap (I'm thinking u18's free, and everyone else £5. Ok, you can say it's too cheap but is the point to make money?? Or to raise crickets profile?
All revenue from the grounds, tv etc is given back to the ecb and they then put it towards the prize fund for county cricket. That way, t20 gets people interestd and provides the funds to make Lvcc financially the most reward for counties.
I'd also say the ecb should stop subsidising counties, Ifrom they can't be financially stable then they need to cut costs.. Simple as. Oh and make the league structure open so counties and go up and down.. I've Devon for example could raise its level etc.. Or glos could fall down. This non relegation is bad for the sport and breeds the weak administration, weak coaching and weak players we have now.
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Problem you have there is the difference in level of professionalism of the minor counties and first class counties.
It's very easy to say cut all ECB funding but if you look at the commonly referenced telegraph article, Gloucestershire would be the only ones making a profit without them in the recorded year.
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Problem you have there is the difference in level of professionalism of the minor counties and first class counties.
It's very easy to say cut all ECB funding but if you look at the commonly referenced telegraph article, Gloucestershire would be the only ones making a profit without them in the recorded year.
If you aren't making a profit, cut wages/staff etc
Ecb should put that money instead in a pot and use it as prize money in the Lvcc. Make 4 day crixket worth being the best at. Rather than get a free 1m from the ecb, if you win the Lvcc title you get 5m.. Counties would be incentivised to produce long format players. Good for the game, good for england. Franchises produce the interst and cash for th ecb etc.
It really is only politics stopping it. Counties trying to save their bacon and keep,earning earning mone
Put every t20 game on TV, run it over 5 weeks to make it short. Put every Lvcc game online, like that Aussie site. No one shows them anyway so they might as well do a basic coverage for people.
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A lot of counties already do highlights of LVCC games online and it's already mandatory for them to be record them so I don't see why they don't get live streamed. Looking still at the figures at most counties if you were to cut the funding you would have to cut all non-playing staff members at the club to break even (by those years figures). You can't just cut a few costs to save nearly 2 million in most cases. If the ECB want to cut down the funding at all they somehow have to make the cricket more profitable for the counties.
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A lot of counties already do highlights of LVCC games online and it's already mandatory for them to be record them so I don't see why they don't get live streamed. Looking still at the figures at most counties if you were to cut the funding you would have to cut all non-playing staff members at the club to break even (by those years figures). You can't just cut a few costs to save nearly 2 million in most cases. If the ECB want to cut down the funding at all they somehow have to make the cricket more profitable for the counties.
Off the top of my head
How many JNR sides do counties run? How many 'coaches' for said squads. How much is spent on the corporate people who really aren't needed. Do the players need to go to South Africa for a jolly pre season for fitness? Yes of you can afford it, if you can't.. Don't
To me, county grounds should all run a retail outlet, it should be one of the big boys in retail (so the profits go to the county), they should run coaching courses (rather than all these randoms like gecko).. They should go around their county doing it, all would earn some more money and increase the overall game.
I mean, a 16yr old lad I know is in some winter performance program in glos, and will play 'county' this summer... He won't make it while he's got a hole in his back side.. So why go to the expense.. Just leave them to their clubs and then pick them up depending on actual performance in Saturday league cricket.
Crixket would be profitable for a county of they do well in the Lvcc and receive a final place pay out. If you are crap then you pay the price financially.. It's all people understand after all.
Of course, it's all pointless until they get crixket back into state schools and being played by the masses
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I agree with that in the long term, but I think there actually has to be the potential for profits to be made to start with which is primarily down to the ECB.
Junior county sides I'm not too sure about though. It's not like they're extremely expensive to run, and a lot of the first team players do develop from there.
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I agree with that in the long term, but I think there actually has to be the potential for profits to be made to start with which is primarily down to the ECB.
Junior county sides I'm not too sure about though. It's not like they're extremely expensive to run, and a lot of the first team players do develop from there.
Do they develop because of the 'pathways', or in spite of it? Would they progress just as much playing for whatever club they play for just as much?
Jnr teams aren't expensive in themselves, but when you start to add up all the age groups, boys, girls, disabled etc etc.. How much do boards pay 'development' officers? I suppose I think that these things need looking at, rather than just keep blindly pumping money into them.
Talent will come through the clubs, and you can pick on performances then. Take away the club bias and bank of mum/dad as you can play for the 'big' club, but if you aren't getting a game as there are two or three others ahead thrn you move to get game time. So strengthening the overall clubs as well.
Just honk, if the ecb had an account with gn, GM, kook and then just distributed it around the grounds etc... They'd get stock cheaper than anyone..
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I agree, in many cases it's not an ideal situation however I feel that you still get the occasional first team regular come through it and the higher level of coaching and focus with more regular training is clearly going to aid their development. Even if 1/10 go on to play first team cricket its still worthwhile in my eyes. County district junior squads are something I don't quite agree with as much though.
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County cricket is bloated with youth players who will never make it, strip it back to the bare bones, 1 senior squad, a 2nd eleven made up of the senior squad and league players and get the youth coming through league cricket rather than all these waste of time youth programmes. Get the ecb to put money in to schools cricket and improving grass root cricket (playing facilities) rather than feeding the counties debt. The ecb can run programmes for those really talented youngsters who have made it through league and county cricket.
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County cricket is bloated with youth players who will never make it, strip it back to the bare bones, 1 senior squad, a 2nd eleven made up of the senior squad and league players and get the youth coming through league cricket rather than all these waste of time youth programmes. Get the ecb to put money in to schools cricket and improving grass root cricket (playing facilities) rather than feeding the counties debt. The ecb can run programmes for those really talented youngsters who have made it through league and county cricket.
hurray.. finally someone else speaking sense.
of course, saturday league cricket needs to produce players able to play long format cricket.
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Do you agree with county academy sides? I know down here the Hampshire one plays in the local premier league.
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Do you agree with county academy sides? I know down here the Hampshire one plays in the local premier league.
personally no, I don't see how that's any more beneficial than them playing for their club side. Plus, again, it's an expense you don't need given they would already be playing in the same div's anyway. Whether you score 400 runs for the academy side is ECB Prem 1 div or 400 runs for club x in ECB Prem 1 div.. surely it's the same runs??
On the subject of coaching, a few sessions over the winter isn't really going to make a player county class. I'm only guessing of course, but a KP, Fredie Flintoff, Tresco would all have still made it going through league cricket just as much as if they went through the modern player pathway crap they do. Trouble is, if you are running a u15 county team and not one is really good enough then you are wasting time, money.. while at the same time, over inflating those players perceptions of their own ability. meaning we end up with more players demanding payment even though they are poo.
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It however contains players that are on the verge of the 2nd XI team and playing a few games per season and are more certain to be future squad players, so surely giving them county standard coaching is more worthwhile?
I guess the argument from the counties perspective is they've got them on some sort of contract probably already, so why let another county get a crack at them potentially?
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It however contains players that are on the verge of the 2nd XI team and playing a few games per season and are more certain to be future squad players, so surely giving them county standard coaching is more worthwhile?
you can coach players without having them play in a academy side in the saturday league?
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you can coach players without having them play in a academy side in the saturday league?
You've gotta consider the fact that a lot of them are still in education though so don't have all the free time possible. Surely having them around a county 2nd XI and other high quality players who they may even be playing professionally with in the future is more worthwhile then them being around fellow club players?
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You've gotta consider the fact that a lot of them are still in education though so don't have all the free time possible. Surely having them around a county 2nd XI and other high quality players who they may even be playing professionally with in the future is more worthwhile then them being around fellow club players?
Not if the standard of club cricket is raised because of less county sides.. so a lot of the current mediocre county players and 2xi guys are suddenly all playing club cricket.. meaning the guys currently in the ECB Prem would move down a league or two etc etc
Again, part of the long term aim should be to raise the quality of club coaching so that young players (all players really, not just the odd good one), get quality coaching. If they then show the performance by getting to the top 3-4 divs by 16 then the county can drag them into the 2nds or to trial games. 2nd xi's should almost be a couple of pro's (fringe first team or injured players coming back) and basically a load of young trailists who have impressed in league cricket by scoring runs/taking wickets. Reward for performing, not for playing for club x or having a rich mum/dad.
as always, there are so many things that would need changing to make it work. You'd need to revamp the amateur game as much as the pro one. It would need to be capable of producing players capable of playing 4 day cricket, all the way down the leagues to the guys youa re simply trying to keep playing the game.
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Also, don't forget the bureaucracy involved in cricket also.
Youth teams dominated with kids from the coaches club/school, senior teams dominated with players from fashionable clubs etc etc etc...
Let's be honest, there are some players playing county/minor counties cricket who have got in because they are 'good lads'.
I can name two minor counties setups who currently, in my honest opinion, do not pick the strongest sides available to them - going for players who are overrated, under developed and lacking in the necessary experience to be playing that level. Influenced by coaches/individuals who are out for their own ends.
On the whole, first class counties cannot afford to do this but we all know one or two in each setup who you look at and think 'why on earth are you where you are? I can name 3 players locally who can fill your spot'.
Disillusioned from years of this I am afraid.
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Not if the standard of club cricket is raised because of less county sides.. so a lot of the current mediocre county players and 2xi guys are suddenly all playing club cricket.. meaning the guys currently in the ECB Prem would move down a league or two etc etc
Again, part of the long term aim should be to raise the quality of club coaching so that young players (all players really, not just the odd good one), get quality coaching. If they then show the performance by getting to the top 3-4 divs by 16 then the county can drag them into the 2nds or to trial games. 2nd xi's should almost be a couple of pro's (fringe first team or injured players coming back) and basically a load of young trailists who have impressed in league cricket by scoring runs/taking wickets. Reward for performing, not for playing for club x or having a rich mum/dad.
as always, there are so many things that would need changing to make it work. You'd need to revamp the amateur game as much as the pro one. It would need to be capable of producing players capable of playing 4 day cricket, all the way down the leagues to the guys youa re simply trying to keep playing the game.
Great point!
Why do we say someone is under-performing in club cricket if they average under 30, batting top 5, yet some counties just continue with players because they may 'come good'?
Same with bowlers. The amount of times I have heard longer-form commentators saying 'oh he's averaging 2 wickets a game. He's a prospect'... REALLY?! A real game winner is he?! Haha. Behave.
Makes me laugh.
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Also, don't forget the bureaucracy involved in cricket also.
Youth teams dominated with kids from the coaches club/school, senior teams dominated with players from fashionable clubs etc etc etc...
Let's be honest, there are some players playing county/minor counties cricket who have got in because they are 'good lads'.
I can name two minor counties setups who currently, in my honest opinion, do not pick the strongest sides available to them - going for players who are overrated, under developed and lacking in the necessary experience to be playing that level. Influenced by coaches/individuals who are out for their own ends.
On the whole, first class counties cannot afford to do this but we all know one or two in each setup who you look at and think 'why on earth are you where you are? I can name 3 players locally who can fill your spot'.
Disillusioned from years of this I am afraid.
I played youth cricket around the same time as a certain boxing promoters son, he was useless and arrogant with it, but thanks to his dads money he played for Essex youth and 2nd team! It was a running joke. Ive been involved in and witnessed some absolute diabolical county trials, run by coaches who have no idea about cricket. The games seemed to he purely set up for the public school boys in the side and everyone else made up the numbers not even performing the roles they were selected for.
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I played youth cricket around the same time as a certain boxing promoters son, he was useless and arrogant with it, but thanks to his dads money he played for Essex youth and 2nd team! It was a running joke. Ive been involved in and witnessed some absolute diabolical county trials, run by coaches who have no idea about cricket. The games seemed to he purely set up for the public school boys in the side and everyone else made up the numbers not even performing the roles they were selected for.
Sounds oh so familiar!
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I can only go on what I see, I know that there will be players who play for county youth and make it. However, you'd think they'd have still made it through normal league cricket as they'd have performed above the rest so would get 'spotted'.
Anyway, I agree about the minor counties stuff too. I know a few who play for Herefordshire and tbh, there are far better players around but these are mates and play for the right clubs. Just shows that the selection policy used is political and not on playing ability. These are the things that need to be smashed apart and those currently involved need removing as they've shown they aren't upto it.
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I can only go on what I see, I know that there will be players who play for county youth and make it. However, you'd think they'd have still made it through normal league cricket as they'd have performed above the rest so would get 'spotted'.
Anyway, I agree about the minor counties stuff too. I know a few who play for Herefordshire and tbh, there are far better players around but these are mates and play for the right clubs. Just shows that the selection policy used is political and not on playing ability. These are the things that need to be smashed apart and those currently involved need removing as they've shown they aren't upto it.
Case in point, we have a 20-year old at our club who has averaged 50+ in his last three seasons and is in the Cardiff MCCU squad but the very minor county we are in refuses to pick him because he does not play in the Home Counties Prem/Div 2. Playing 2 leagues below in the TVCL.
Our argument isn't that he isn't facing 80mph+ bowlers all the time - that much is true. The level of spin bowling isn't much different! Our argument is why is he being over looked for a guy who struggles to average 20 playing two leagues above? Or even worse, a 16/17 year old with 'potential' but has not scored any real senior runs?
I think it is disappointing - a lot of this comes from playing these levels myself. I disagree with the minor county setups. It is unfair how they choose their sides.
Having taken a step back from representative cricket about 3 years ago now, I can also now appreciate the damage it does as it weakens smaller clubs who actually develop a lot of the talent by forcing these boys to leave - leading to reduced subs but also diluting the talent pool, maybe leading to relegation. Requiring a few years to rebuild.
Let's be honest, most of the system is not scrutinised enough and as a result, people are allowed to get away with murder.
Though most of the people who make the decisions spend their lives walking around proudly wearing their MCC ties... So god knows why we are surprised!
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Similar story, our 1st team skipper is now 30 and has fantastic hand eye coordination and brute strength, when he came on to our first team at 16 you could see he was something different, a rough diamond. He would take apart overseas and Essex 2s bowlers. 2 long serving members and ex Leicestershire players at our club, tried to get Essex to take a look at him, but they just received a wall of silence, because he did not go to the right school and we are not one of Essex's favoured clubs. Its a shame, but just shows the short sighted nature of cricket from the top down in this country. Flintoff said today on commentary playing in Oz has been an eye opener for him and anyone who has gone to play there will no what he means. Warner would never have succeeded had he been born in England.
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Super over Stars vs Sixers. On now! Luke Wright to face Brett Lee.
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Brilliant entertainment during this game including the commentary.
Master stroke to send in Faulkner in the super over despite struggling in the main game. Pretty surprising Wright and Faulkner came in before Pieterson, white and maxwell.
Kp showed a glimpse of his best today
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Kp just dropped a sitter to be catches by white as the ball bounced out of kp's hands! Awesome!
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Enjoyed today's game.
Limb looked good. Why doesn't he play for England again lovely innings of 80.
Pietersen looked good for his 50. Seemed slow.between the wickets and his calling was abysmal.
Brett Lee. 35 off his last 2 overs costs sixes that game!
I thought it be wright and maxwell for super over. But faulkner pulled it off.
Strangely in interview before super over. Pietersen didn't sound like he wanted to bat.
So anyway. 2 English man (cough "south african" cough) stars of the show.
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How agar continues to bat at number 5 is beyond me, seen it in the champions league and in the bbl. Hasn't shown much ability with the bat since scoring in that test match knock.
Zampa continues to impress. Reckon he should be picked for the WC
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Carberry's innings was dreadfully painful again not sure what he's trying can't hit it of the square
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Carberry is not a T20 batsman :D
but still 133 on this wicket is tough ask ;)
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Carberry is not a T20 batsman :D
but still 133 on this wicket is tough ask ;)
Urrrm, do you not watch the English domestic T20, Carberry is a run machine for Hampshire...
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Urrrm, do you not watch the English domestic T20, Carberry is a run machine for Hampshire...
I think that just highlights how poor the quality of the t20 blast is.
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I think that just highlights how poor the quality of the t20 blast is.
It's starting to look very 2nd rate when compared against the IPL or Big bash. Some imagination required from the ECB, or is that a contradiction in terms?
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Zampa and Boyce both look like real talents in the leggie department, much brighter than our spin prospects in england
But in terms of a world cup squad, im picking Brad Hogg, dont care how old he is, the bloke stilk performs and takes wickets, top competitor as well
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Carberry is not a T20 batsman :
Someone at Perth clearly thinks he is nice contract for few weeks work
Not sure he will be there next year
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Carberry's innings was dreadfully painful again not sure what he's trying can't hit it of the square
In the context of the match it was par for the course apart from Voges. I saw the start of his innings and he got 2 or 3 Jaffa's that cut away off the seam first up. Not sure anybody would of hit them, it was just good bowling. He also played some good shots and hit the fielders alot. Previous game he got 69* in 46 balls, so he can't be that bad.
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Shaun Tait's still absolutely rapid! Was clocking mid 150s consistently.
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Just watched the highlights. Batting was poor. VogueS excused.
But how good is brad hogg. 43Years old first game back from injury and 2 for 11 of 4 overs!!
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Stokes straight in the action. Interesting that they've stuck him in at 3
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Just watched the highlights. Batting was poor. VogueS excused.
But how good is brad hogg. 43Years old first game back from injury and 2 for 11 of 4 overs!!
He is certainly a master of his art, was a pleasure watching him bowl. I think he also shows that if you look after your self and retain enthusiasm for the game age is no factor. Its great seeing him, hodge, Brett lee etc still going strong and being key players in their teams.
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This is some hitting by stokes!
Gotta love the Aussie commentators having a dig at the England selectors nearly every game.
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He's been in poor form though of late?
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Stokes looked to be batting on a different pitch to the other 21!
Only.bowled 1 over though!
England play him as a bowler that can bat. Aus play him as a batsmen who may bowl and he succeeds.
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The Aussies, Kiwis etc identify a player with something about him and back him allowing him to mature and find his own way. Our selectors pick conservatively, then throw in a player with something about him out of desperation when the conservative pick fails to work. Could you see Macullum, Warner, Smith etc succeeding in this country, no chance, they wouldn't have been selected and definitely not given the time to mature into the players they have become.
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The Aussies, Kiwis etc identify a player with something about him and back him allowing him to mature and find his own way. Our selectors pick conservatively, then throw in a player with something about him out of desperation when the conservative pick fails to work. Could you see Macullum, Warner, Smith etc succeeding in this country, no chance, they wouldn't have been selected and definitely not given the time to mature into the players they have become.
You are so wrong, we picked KP instead of Thorpe in 2005! He turned out rubbish so the ECB were absolutely vindicated.
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You are so wrong, we picked KP instead of Thorpe in 2005! He turned out rubbish so the ECB were absolutely vindicated.
That was nearly 10 years ago haha! I do partially agree with Stuey on this - Steve Smith would never have been given the chances he has if he was English (I still remember the year he played for Worcs, half the fans wanted him sent back!)
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You are so wrong, we picked KP instead of Thorpe in 2005! He turned out rubbish so the ECB were absolutely vindicated.
If I recall correctly Thorpe had back issues which made the selection easier,plus he was retiring at the end of the series. Fletchers era was more of an exception, he plucked players like Vaughan and Trescothick from obscurity really. I don't see the current selectors making such brave calls.
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Pattinson and Moore's stats laptop spring to mind!
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Pattinson and Moore's stats laptop spring to mind!
The bain of cricket....have they never watched Rocky IV :)
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Suprise suprise, Stokes picked roughly with the same intention as he is for Durham and he performs :-[.
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Anyone else looking forward to Jason Roy destroying the Hurricanes on Friday?
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Anyone else looking forward to Jason Roy destroying the Hurricanes on Friday?
Personally not too sure how he'll go against the extra pace and bounce of the Aussie wickets/bowlers, will be interesting to see how he stands up to it.
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Interesting to hear from gilly that flintoff has borrowed one of his bats. Would have thought he would borrow one of his team mates
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I watched stokes innings last night, what a great knock. When you see him play like that, you wonder how England are managing to mess up his selection. With his ability they should be building the team around him! Got to be KP's replacement, people will state stats as to why he shouldn't replace KP (over somebody else), but for me stokes has serious destructive ability with the bat and can be a 4th/5th seamer. Get him in the team.
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Flintoff out for 7 to a pretty good catch
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Bloody hell Harmison has let himself go!
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Bloody hell Harmison has let himself go!
Wish Sky would also show the interval and analysis from the channel 10 commentators. Harmison is so dull and boring, not a clue about t20. Rather hear gilly and punter
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Carberry seems to be wearing a Masuri - wonder why
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Carberry seems to be wearing a Masuri - wonder why
I'd imagine Ayrtek haven't sent him down a lid in the Scorcher's livery yet.
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They have, he's been wearing it in all the games I've seen so far
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Don't think the home crowd will be booing carberry today like the previous games.
Some really good hitting from the England boys these last few days, yet none of them are in the World Cup squad
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(http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag174/stevelane1975/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/D9F637E9-802F-4B59-9644-142760D83C6E_zps2wghlbvs.jpg) (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/stevelane1975/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/D9F637E9-802F-4B59-9644-142760D83C6E_zps2wghlbvs.jpg.html)
I always thought he was one of Ayrtek and Adidas' main players. Surprised he's using a Masuri
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Carbs getting stuck into Flintoff, 50 off 24 and he's still going
Not a t20 batsmen ey, go take a lap mate, he's made you look foolish
Carberry is a funny one, I never agreed with his selection as a test match opener, or even a test match player, he always stood out and performe well in the limited overs and notably t20, so if he was ever gonna be selected for England, I always felt it would have been in the shorter form of the game.
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I think (could be wrong) the commentators just said he took a ball to the grill before the game. Might be the reason.
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I'd have thought he would have more than one Ayrtek lid with him.
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Confirmed in the interview it was damaged
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I've never wanted somebody to succeed as much as Freddie Flintoff, especially in his come back but can anyone else see him having many more games or getting another contract?
He's must be going at 15's with the ball and averaging single figures.
Think he's got a gig for life as a commentator though. Hope he turns it around for the rest of the tournament as he bring something to any game he plays in!
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No chance, won't play the next game either IMO, just a high profile signing to raise interest, and an old lancs players is the coach, may have something to do with it????
His commentary is good though, but his commentary whilst batting and running the other night was class, was pissin myself laughing, funny stuff
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Masuri were quick to retweet this picture...
(http://i1368.photobucket.com/albums/ag174/stevelane1975/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/D6374817-16F4-4895-B952-9F0D090958E4_zps0pnadl2e.jpg) (http://s1368.photobucket.com/user/stevelane1975/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2015-01/D6374817-16F4-4895-B952-9F0D090958E4_zps0pnadl2e.jpg.html)
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just spoken to him and he said having been hit in the nets pre-game the grille and shell sustained some damage meaning it couldnt be worn, thankfully it did its job and he avoided any injury in order to play in the game and smash it to all parts.
New lid in underway and will be en route to Oz ASAP :D
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Masuri were quick to retweet this picture...
Really can't stand Masuri's PR team at times, they jump at every chance of putting down other companies (Ayrtek 99% of the time too) but when something happens to them they suddenly go all silent - anyone remember seeing any apology from them regarding Keiswetter and the fact he's now out for potentially the whole of 2015 too?
Prime example here: https://twitter.com/masuriofficial/status/498943056968941569 - no apology, just an excuse!
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Kind of flattering that they view us as their main competition if they jump on stuff like they do, seeing as they have been around for 30+ years and have numerous employees to take care of the various aspects of the company they are what we probably aspire to be if we continue to grow as a brand within cricket.
We are the new boys to the party and have 1 employee so sometimes things take a bit longer to get done :)
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Too true mate - must be good to know you've ruffled their feathers, like you say they clearly see you as a threat (hopefully you'll show them who's best ;))
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I've just read the Keiswetter tweet and that's shocking from any company. It's annoyed me. I like my Masuri lid but now I might stick it to the man and buy an Ayrtek!
Tom, keep ruffling those feathers industry needs innovators and competition.
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In light of recent events you would think they would have a little more class. Say something like, Carbs was hit on the head wearing a competitors helmet. Fortunately he was okay, he is using one of our helmets because you should not wear a broken helmet. Instead they have jumped on it as a marketing tool! You would get more PR from that than just tweeting a picture! Ayrtek I'll be your de factor pr manager if you want? :)
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All comes down to the way you spin a story i guess, we could promote the fact Carbs got hit in the net and our helmet was upto the task asked of it and kept him fit enough to play in the game and score his 77* runs :D
Appreciate all the support as ever from the CBF members ;)
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So did Carberry only take one Scorchers lid with him them?
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Carberry is not a T20 batsman :D
Not sure The Heat would agree with you😀
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So did Carberry only take one Scorchers lid with him them?
Yeh he only asked for one as usually 1 helmet will be ok per tour unless it gets hit! Tour Luggage is usually more bats/gloves /shoes etc that are more susceptible to wear an tear.
Got another lid for him being made up now tho to send out 👍
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Good to hear of a pro player doing the sensible thing and changing lid after a big hit, too many times you see players (eg. Kohli in the first oz test) taking one in the helmet and just carrying on with the same one.
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Carberrys inning was identical in total and balls faced to Stokes :o.
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Disappointing start from Roy
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More runs for KP. Stars nearly messed that chase up.
Ecb might be on the phone pretty quickly to make sure KP doesn't play in that tour game against England.
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Heard the commentators mention that, don't know if he would be aloud but wouldn't put anything past the Aussies.
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Great game to watch today, great game and commentary from KP, and especially the sledge he gave gilly
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More runs for KP. Stars nearly messed that chase up.
Ecb might be on the phone pretty quickly to make sure KP doesn't play in that tour game against England.
Would love that!!
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Sat watching reply.
Interesting comment from ponting, ragarding ben stokes. He says he's biwling action seems to have been altered far the worse since the ashes last year......... Bravo england bravo........
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KP talks when bowler is running in. I thought there is "no talking" rule on the field when bowler is in run-up mode. After watching a test match, T-20 looks so boring.
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Hope sky have some brains and get kp and Freddie as commentators this summer. Absolute priceless commentary!
Way too many boring commentators on sky's test match line up. Hiring Strauss hasn't helped one bit!
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Speaking of Sky commentators... has Harmy been in a good paddock?
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Hope sky have some brains and get kp and Freddie as commentators this summer. Absolute priceless commentary!
Way too many boring commentators on sky's test match line up. Hiring Strauss hasn't helped one bit!
Unlikely Sky would employ Pietersen as they are in bed with the ECB.
What would the ECB's reaction be if Pietersen was given South African citizenship in time for when England tour at the end of the year...
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Not sure KP can represent SA without a qualification period. He has an SA passport to he doesn't need citizenship granted again! Not sure the SA team would pick him either...
What would be fun is if KP played against England for the Aussie Prime Ministers team...
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Anyone know if tonights earlier game is on sky? Online it says it is with 45 mins (!?!) build up on SS2 but the TV schedule has NFL on at that time.
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Anyone know if tonights earlier game is on sky? Online it says it is with 45 mins (!?!) build up on SS2 but the TV schedule has NFL on at that time.
0800 start on mine
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Anyone know if tonights earlier game is on sky? Online it says it is with 45 mins (!?!) build up on SS2 but the TV schedule has NFL on at that time.
Sky says all games shown. But the half 2 start one not on planner. But then the nz vs Sri game is. So maybe on the red button ??
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Nz v SL is on 3 though and here it says 2 for the bbl.
http://www1.skysports.com/watch/sport-on-sky (http://www1.skysports.com/watch/sport-on-sky)
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Nothing then? :(
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Flintoff seems to be changing bats/sponsorship issues? Used an Optimax (Owzatt Brand) first game, GN a couple of games back and now is using a Puma Pulse. It looks like he has an Optimax gear but is changing bats only
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Come on Freddie, would love to see him make a decent contribution with the bat used to love watching him in full flow.
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Lol he swore at himself and then apologies from the sky team ;)
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Lol he swore at himself and then apologies from the sky team ;)
I heard that couldn't have picked a better word for 9am on a wet and windy Sunday morning lol
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Listening to commentary Adam Gilchrist said that Fred was speaking to him and said he wasn't happy with the bats he bought out to Aus with him and has been playing around. Asked Gilchrist if he had any and that's want he is using today
Not great advertisement for the bats he took out with him.
Seems to be working as creed just smashed a HUGE 6
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Feeddie will be keeping Gilly's bat.. 46 today. Rust slowly starting to disappear??
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Good to see Fred in the runs.
To be fair on owzat. He hit a few nice boundaries in the first game and then caught at long on.
They looked more than adequate.
But as we know confidence helps and Freddie admitted his team mates gray nics looked bigger. So he borrowed bens cuttings bats.
But was still failing. So in commentary he ended up being offered one if gillys old bats.
Quite good for puma if they care(even though it's probably a Julian millochamp)
If I was red ink/rk etc. I'd find out his weight preference. And make him a few beasts and send them out. If he uses them once in a game. It's still some big advertisement.
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What are his plans after the Big Bash? Will he continue with cricket in some form?
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Lancashire said they'd consider a contract after the big bash I think.
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I'm loving Lumbs GM,,,the noise it makes!
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Is wessels English yet? Looks a good talent.
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Flintoffs effort ball just clocked 140 kph!
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I hope flintoff really works at his game over the next few months especially his bowling and is around for the next couple of years in T20 as personally I enjoy watching him play.
Bowling is short of the mark at this level at moment though big time
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I hope he continues to play and gets rid of the remaining rust, he needs to give himself a full season to judge where he is.
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Gutted for Roy. 14 *of 6balls and game then rained off. Would have given him some confidence had he got a decent hit today.
Nice to here he is in the big bash because ponting was apparently selling him to all the teams as the next big thing in t20!
High praise indeed.
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Anyone know why Parry didn't play for the Heat y'day?
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Is wessels English yet? Looks a good talent.
Kolpak type player. Managed to get a contract with some weird work around of the rules
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Bumble is commentating on tomorrows match, Sixers v Strikers.
http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12933/9641149/bumbles-blog-big-bash-format-is-a-hit-english-cricket-should-try-to-emulate (http://www1.skysports.com/cricket/news/12933/9641149/bumbles-blog-big-bash-format-is-a-hit-english-cricket-should-try-to-emulate)
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Great to hear Bumble in the comm box
I wonder if Sky will copy the format for t20 Blast
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Loving the Bumble,
Especially with the field placements talking about Magic its class
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It's a shame to hear that Brett lee is retiring after this BBL. Might have lost some pace but he's still bowling well (apart from that Stars game).
Buffet bresnan getting smashed around, about time.
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Interesting to see Riki Wessels lining up for Fairfield this weekend in Sydney grade cricket. They're playing Penrith.....with Jordan Silk playing apparently. Should be entertaining.
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Dreadful looking shot from Roy to get a golden duck.
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Dreadful looking shot from Roy to get a golden duck.
He's not done too well unfortunately.
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Vintage batting from KP. He's looked a bit scratchy in his previous innings but this is some batting on a tough pitch.
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I was always under the impression that under the new rules you had to be grounded inside the rope somehow before touching the ball for the catch?
I.e your last point of contact with the ground had to be inside the boundary.
Edit : Cameron White just said the same.
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According to rules White was not out, which he mentioned after the dismissal, two field umpires & 1 tv umpire messed it up lol
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According to rules White was not out, which he mentioned after the dismissal, two field umpires & 1 tv umpire messed it up lol
Its painful listening to the commentators right now :D.
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I was always under the impression that under the new rules you had to be grounded inside the rope somehow before touching the ball for the catch?
I.e your last point of contact with the ground had to be inside the boundary.
Edit : Cameron White just said the same.
That was my understanding. I've not watched the game yet, I assume white was given out wrongly then ?
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Its painful listening to the commentators right now :D.
Doesn't help that Mark Waugh and Andrew Flintoff aren't two of the sharpest tools in the box.
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Geez this South African born lad Kevin Pietersen looks a good player...should be right up England's street...
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According to rules White was not out, which he mentioned after the dismissal, two field umpires & 1 tv umpire messed it up lol
Do the tv umpires ever have a clue? How many times do we see them make the incorrect decesion with DRS reviews.
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That was my understanding. I've not watched the game yet, I assume white was given out wrongly then ?
He was given out after quite a long time and then they did a boundary interview with him where he was a bit annoyed claiming he was attempting to explain to explain the rules to the umpires.
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He was given out after quite a long time and then they did a boundary interview with him where he was a bit annoyed claiming he was attempting to explain to explain the rules to the umpires.
Lol.
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That would have been some catch had Roy taken that!
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Just in case I was misunderstood by those not watching he was fine when he chucked it back in, with his last point of contact inside the rope. But he then touched the ground and then jumped back over taking the ball mid air and landing in the rope.
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Geez this South African born lad Kevin Pietersen looks a good player...should be right up England's street...
Top run scorer in the BBL at the moment. That would get him fired if he was playing for England ;)
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Geez this South African born lad Kevin Pietersen looks a good player...should be right up England's street...
Don't think he qualifies anymore... Maybe him, and the other unwanteds should all team up.
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Don't think he qualifies anymore... Maybe him, and the other unwanteds should all team up.
Probably could make a decent line up of players not playing in the WC.
KP, bravo, pollard, lumb, zampa, vijay, gul, pattinson etc
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Thoughts on KP's new tattoo?
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Not with using bad words. It's a bit pretentious I think and I like a tattoo
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no one mentioned KP bowled as well!!! Who needs Moeen... :)
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Not with using bad words. It's a bit pretentious I think and I like a tattoo
Pretentious is KP in a nutshell!
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Actually starting to think that catch may have been out as the catch was not the fielders first touch in the process of making the catch.
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Pretty sure we had this convo previously sam regarding a new Zealand catch of similar controversy.
Got to love the kp saga. Does matter what he does or says or wears or promotes. It's bad if your a bit kp and good if your pro kp.
Either way his batting is a talent and returning to near what he was. On talent he should be in the england side. It's a shame what went before has. As he never will get another shot.
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There was talk about how disjointed the BlastT20 is, meaning as he wasn't (a different debate of course!) playing one day/LVCC stuff.. he was playing once a week at the most.. Anyone would struggle for form.. This is sort of proving if he's playing regularly, he's still got it.
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There was talk about how disjointed the BlastT20 is, meaning as he wasn't (a different debate of course!) playing one day/LVCC stuff.. he was playing once a week at the most.. Anyone would struggle for form.. This is sort of proving if he's playing regularly, he's still got it.
He claims.that the blast and ipl were poor because his knee was done and he shouldn't have played.
He said he's done nothing since. Just let his knee recover. And apparently this is the result
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He claims.that the blast and ipl were poor because his knee was done and he shouldn't have played.
He said he's done nothing since. Just let his knee recover. And apparently this is the result
yeah, I do remember hearing that. I just meant that on todays commentary it was mentioned about the disjointed Blast etc. Which, basing it off what they say, I can sort of see that it might have an impact at least.
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Just saw the catch. he throws it while in, but then leaps from outside the ground to take it.. then lands inside..
To me, that's Not Out as I thought your last movement to catch it had to be from inside the rope..... please someone with the rules correct this if I'm wrong.. as it stands.. I'd be fuming that the fielder cheated at this point.
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If we don't know the rules, then the players probably don't. How on earth has he cheated? He's took a catch and appealed!!
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If we don't know the rules, then the players probably don't. How on earth has he cheated? He's took a catch and appealed!!
personally I thought I did know the rule. So IF I somehow managed to do that I'd know it wasn't out (trying to read up on the laws now tbh).. I do get yoru point though and on a amateur cricket field I agree.. On a pro field though, I expect pro's to know the laws, they are paid well enough to.
just my 2p's worth, if you don't agree fair enough.
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Pretty sure we had this convo previously sam regarding a new Zealand catch of similar controversy.
Don't quite remember that one mate :D.
@ProCricketer1982 Problem there I guess comes when the laws themselves aren't that clear and can be interpreted in different ways. Following in case anyone wants to try :
4. Ball beyond the boundary
After it has crossed the boundary in the air, a ball may be caught, subject to the
provisions of Law 32, or fielded provided that
(i) the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded
beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded
within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before
touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
Any fielder subsequently touching the ball is not subject to this
restriction.
. (ii) neither the ball, nor any fielder in contact with the ball touches, or is
grounded beyond, the boundary at any time during the act of making
the catch or of fielding the ball.
The act of making the catch, or of fielding the ball, shall start from the time when
the ball first comes into contact with some part of a fielder’s person and shall end
when a fielder obtains complete control both over the ball and over his own
movement.
...
a catch shall be considered to be fair if :
(e) a fielder catches the ball after it has crossed the boundary in the air, provided that after being struck by the bat, the first contact with the ball is by a fielder, not touching or grounded beyond the boundary, who has some part of his person grounded within the boundary or whose final contact with the ground before touching the ball was entirely within the boundary.
Any fielder subsequently touching the ball is not subject to this restriction. See Law 19.4 (Ball beyond the boundary) (Which is the above bit).
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You learn something new every day, apart from the umpires lol
The more kp bats like that the more I think the ecb are a disgrace. Even broad of all people has said kp should of been dropped and it was all a bit heavy handed. This is definitely a Moore's, Cook, Downton thing.
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Rule is very ambiguous, but I think it was out! Surely it should simply be amended to say that if you start by taking off from inside the boundary, it's out (think that was why the rule change came about in the first place - Angelo Mathews stepping over and then jumping, making contact and carrying it back in).
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It all depends on when you judge the catch to start.
To me the original catch and then throw up is stage 1.
second catch counts as a new catch, stage 2, therefore he should have touched down inside field of play before touching the ball again.
If you count it as all one catch then by the written law it is legal.
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It all depends on when you judge the catch to start.
To me the original catch and then throw up is stage 1.
second catch counts as a new catch, stage 2, therefore he should have touched down inside field of play before touching the ball again.
If you count it as all one catch then by the written law it is legal.
this is my take on it.. I count the first bit and second as separate, rather than the whole thing as just 'a catch'. The rule is nice and woolly though :(
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KP,s batting was effortless yesterday
I hope it continues, and he shows the ECB what English cricket is missing
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KP,s batting was effortless yesterday
I hope it continues, and he shows the ECB what English cricket is missing
Of his knee is better, it'll be interesting to see if he plays Lvcc / od stuff
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Are the contracts through the ECB or through the individual County?
If they're ECB contracts KP might struggle to get a gig in England again :)
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KP,s batting was effortless yesterday
I hope it continues, and he shows the ECB what English cricket is missing
KP is now the leading run scorer in BBL4. If England's batting fails again on Tuesday and he continues to score runs it will get very embarrassing very quickly for the ECB.
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KP is now the leading run scorer in BBL4. If England's batting fails again on Tuesday and he continues to score runs it will get very embarrassing very quickly for the ECB.
It's already very embarrassing for the ECB tbh . They are acting like complete fools and have been ever since the ashes in 2013/14. pretty much got every decision wrong
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I don't really understand how it will make it embarrassing for them if he scores more runs to be honest, not like they said he was dropped based on form as in the West Indies case.
What would be embarrassing would be if he was revealed to be an all round nice guy.
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Are the contracts through the ECB or through the individual County?
If they're ECB contracts KP might struggle to get a gig in England again :)
with the counties but im sure the ECB could put pressure on not to sign him. be interesting to see what happens.
I would love to see him play some lvcc stuff and score a few runs
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Problem is if he signs a county contract wasn't the fuss over the fact that the ECB can bar him from playing in any overseas tournaments?
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i think so. i know the ECB issue certificates to allow them not sure the criteria on which it matters
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I'd have thought it would be something forced into all county contracts since they started doing the full year ones.
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I don't really understand how it will make it embarrassing for them if he scores more runs to be honest, not like they said he was dropped based on form as in the West Indies case.
What would be embarrassing would be if he was revealed to be an all round nice guy.
It's embarrassing because he is proving beyond doubt that he is good enough to be in the set up and no one is capable of managing the person. Throughout history there have been difficult characters in sports teams, but someone has always found a way to keep them integrated and as a result make the team a success. It's embarrassing that with all the time, money and resources available to the ECB that they can't find a way to manage KP.
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So it's everyone else's fault bar KP?
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So it's everyone else's fault bar KP?
It's teh ECB's fault. Their job is to manage all the players, even if they are hard to manage. They failed.. then they did all the rest of the stuff.
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KPs biggest problem is.... KP.
Undeniable talent but an uncontrollable ego and he's proven over his many years in the spotlight to be a media nightmare.
It would take a very strong character to handle KP and unfortunately the ECB are lacking in that dept
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No, clearly he is a bit odd and a bit challenging. A number of incredibly talented sports people are and cause issues for their bosses. There must be a way to get him integrated, it's unbelievable that no one has the man management skills to do it with so much money floating about the ECB.
England do not have enough talent to ignore him.
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You learn something new every day, apart from the umpires lol
The more kp bats like that the more I think the ecb are a disgrace. Even broad of all people has said kp should of been dropped and it was all a bit heavy handed. This is definitely a Moore's, Cook, Downton thing.
I wonder if they looked at dropping him but quickly came to the conclusion that if they they drop englands top scorer from the ashes they would have to drop every other bat in the team, so went down another route.
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Jimmy Pattinson is back and bowling quick, short and nasty. Can't wait to see our pace attack hit England with everything in six months time!!
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Jimmy Pattinson is back and bowling quick, short and nasty. Can't wait to see our pace attack hit England with everything in six months time!!
lol - do you really think you will get a quick wicket to bowl on? It will be like last time, flat, very slow and probably a little turn. Absolutely nothing with pace, bounce or a hint of green grass or life in it. It will be like playing in India for 3 months. Once half you bowlers have broken down, England might sneak a win :)
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Unfortunately if they provide pitches like that we will possibly come unstuck as our spin options are awful and Lyons has proved he isn't as bad as we imagine, plus Aussies do seem to have a list of quicks capable of 90mph + we have no one quick that's in form, only really Finn or Mills who are genuine rapid but are no where near selection
Could be flat track batting for a few months ad hope our bowlers get swing friendly conditions but againAussie bowlers can swing the ball as well now so could be a interesting series in terms of pitches provided.
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Unfortunately if they provide pitches like that we will possibly come unstuck as our spin options are awful and Lyons has proved he isn't as bad as we imagine, plus Aussies do seem to have a list of quicks capable of 90mph + we have no one quick that's in form, only really Finn or Mills who are genuine rapid but are no where near selection
Could be flat track batting for a few months ad hope our bowlers get swing friendly conditions but againAussie bowlers can swing the ball as well now so could be a interesting series in terms of pitches provided.
Finn is nowhere near rapid anymore. Even in the short forms of the game he is still bowling around 135 kph.. The only genuine quick bowlers in England I can think of right now are Meaker, Mills and possibly Chris Wright(Been a while since I last saw him so he might not be that quick anymore). Mills was injured for most of last year and whilst Meaker was fit, he probably played just as few games as he was seen as surplus to requirements by Surrey. In short, we can't hope to challenge the Aussies in terms of pace.
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Mark Footitt? He seems rapid and left arm, think they should be working closely with him!
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The England team,(all formats) desperately need a genuine hit the deck hard quick bowler.
Then they need to wrap him in cotton wool and keep him match fit
Then sort out our batters heads
Basically undo all the ballsups they've made
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Mark Footitt? He seems rapid and left arm, think they should be working closely with him!
Nah he doesn't bowl right arm over meds, he's no where near the England side.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html)
Right arm med?
Isn't he the guy bowling 90+mph left arm? Took a boat load of wickets in FC last year?
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[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html[/url])
Right arm med?
Isn't he the guy bowling 90+mph left arm? Took a boat load of wickets in FC last year?
I've only seen a bit of him on the Sky, but he looked very sharp. Taking 84 wickets @ 19 with Left arm pace makes you wonder how he didn't get a look in for the Ashes when they took Finn and Tremlett as drinks carriers. At 29 i can't see the point in sending him on development squad tours.
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Tremlett got to play a test didn't he?
Although his selection did appear to be on his rig rather than his bowling ability lol
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He was picked for one test, but don't recall him doing too much bowling. Another bizarre selection based on the previous tour, the Aussies seemed to like his 75mph lollipops. :)
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Some Footit action:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZlpSKQlew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSZlpSKQlew)
Some decent balls there - especially the 2nd one!
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I've only seen a bit of him on the Sky, but he looked very sharp. Taking 84 wickets @ 19 with Left arm pace makes you wonder how he didn't get a look in for the Ashes when they took Finn and Tremlett as drinks carriers. At 29 i can't see the point in sending him on development squad tours.
He had a great season last year as you said but the reason he wouldn't have been taken to the Ashes is that upto last winter he had taken 114 wickets in 9 years of first class cricket. Not the record of a test match cricketer.
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[url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/england/content/player/13247.html[/url])
Right arm med?
Isn't he the guy bowling 90+mph left arm? Took a boat load of wickets in FC last year?
I was suggesting that he won't get picked for England because he doesn't bowl right arm medium pace, I wasn't suggesting that Foottit is right arm medium...
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I see! Fair enough!
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He had a great season last year as you said but the reason he wouldn't have been taken to the Ashes is that upto last winter he had taken 114 wickets in 9 years of first class cricket. Not the record of a test match cricketer.
so does he have to have 9 good seasons before getting picked? Just going on his stats he obviously become a better bowler, we're not exactly flush with quicks.
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England does have a mentality off
"He's in terrific form, let's leave him for another year or two though and then pick him when he's in a lul"
Noticed on sky sports something to do with kp signing for Somerset (rumour) didn't see it all as was on telly in background but can't see anything on a news site? Anyone else see it?
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so does he have to have 9 good seasons before getting picked? Just going on his stats he obviously become a better bowler, we're not exactly flush with quicks.
You wondered why he wasn't considered for the Ashes and there is your reason, 114 wickets in 9 years and he wasn't even in the Derbyshire team at the start of the 2013 season. Hindsight is a wonderful thing and I bet you wouldn't have found too many Derbyshire fans who thought he would bag half as many wickets last season as he did. He did make the performance training squad or whatever they call it this winter all though didn't make the final selection for the lions tour, so England are at least having a look at him
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In regards Mark Footit he has been of late playing got my team,
Can be erratic at times but he is rapid, when he's on girl he really is a very very good talent.
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That is one of the best games of cricket I've seen in a long time, Pete handscombe take a bow!
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9 innings not out in the Big Bash. 171 runs in total.
3 hundreds in his last 3 fc innings.
Wheres he been hiding?!
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No idea mate id says he's just been in the shadows of Maxwell and the other big names in the side. I remember him being tipped as the next big thing a few yrs ago. As the commentators were saying there's a lot of Steve Smith about him.
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Thought the Aussies might give a young player a go instead of calling up white for the England game. Lynn would have been a good shout
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White has been the best one day player domestically for the last 2-3 years by a long way, fully deserves it.
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when he's on girl he really is a very very good talent.
Snigger! :D
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Yeah that was an incredible knock from Handscombe. I was watching the game on the catch up yesterday and had no idea of the result, thought the Stars were dead and buried and nearly turned it off. Instead I got the Football Manager out and left the game on in the back ground, couldn't believe my eyes when I looked up and he was winning it for them!
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Another stunning finish in this game as well. This has been a great comp so far.
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Whilst Jordan Silk does have the longest neck in existance, he sure is pretty calm in these situations and can certainly hit a long ball. Considering he was 26 off 30 with no boundaries at one point, it's some effort to get them to the target!
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Yeah so much better than the Natwest Blast. A lot of Aussies doing well too. Is pro cricket a higher standard in Australia than England?
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Yeah so much better than the Natwest Blast. A lot of Aussies doing well too. Is pro cricket a higher standard in Australia than England?
Of course it is. Less teams, higher standard.
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Of course it is. Less teams, higher standard.
And the filter effect down. Test and state players playing club (grade) cricket, consequently club cricket is strong and brings through better players.
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Of course it is. Less teams, higher standard.
except the population of the UK is 3x that of Australia - so that theory doens't necessarily work.
Looking at the success that some of the retired players have had you have to question the standard. Also look how much some of those same players struggled in the T20 Blast.
Personally I don't think the standard is higher - and I think the standard of the IPL is even lower.
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except the population of the UK is 3x that of Australia - so that theory doens't necessarily work.
Looking at the success that some of the retired players have had you have to question the standard. Also look how much some of those same players struggled in the T20 Blast.
Personally I don't think the standard is higher - and I think the standard of the IPL is even lower.
Population should mean more better players. Unfortunately, it's not. It is however the poulton of playing public.. How many play in Aus compared to the uk?? Would be interesting if they could actually quantify. We have 70m, how many play sat each week ?? 200k?? If that
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Semi finals time.
Maddinson dropped from opening after a poor tournament. And wessels. After a decent tournament without being spectacular, promoted to open. .
And it's happened! Richardson to wessels. And the masuri double bar grill caught the ball!!
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Wessels helmet hit: http://youtu.be/-Jaw0ovmRow (http://youtu.be/-Jaw0ovmRow)
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Pretty positive advert for Masuri. Wont be long until they get it on twitter I imagine. Obviously not deflected from the bat, but it was nice to see the helmet do it's job
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It's definitely food for thought. When compared to the hit Brendon McCullum copped from Brett Lee in BBL01 where BMc was wearing the older style Masuri with the adjustable grille and the ball got through the gap and smashed his nose, you can see that even a bouncer at high speed doesn't penetrate the gap but got caught by the peak and grille with these new lids.
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Ball got stuck like a magnet
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That decision to move Maddison down the order has worked.
Think Adelaide should have got pollard back
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Maddinson gone after a great knock.
Shame that should have been a free hit as it was a definite no ball previous ball.
If sixes can get 175 to 189 be a good game.
Unsure why pollard and bravo didn't return. Not like there in the odi squad at all??
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Pollard and bravo are back playing for Trinidad along side narine. Think the Trinidad team would give the current West Indies team a run for their money.
3 down already. Need a massive partnership between these two
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Strikers doing a Melbourne stars here.
Best team all tournament then forget to show up for the semis!
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ten Doeschate been disappointing this series. Hodge and Botha at the crease, they'll have to get the bulk of them if the Strikers win. Sixers are a good, solid team who have plenty of experience.
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Sixers starting to strangle the strikers now.
Would love to see Brett Lee's last game be a final.
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Ryan Carters take a bow. Great catch
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It all over for the strikers. Start the car!!!
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Good advert for the new masuri.. Wessels one stopped his flush
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Perth in trouble, need some runs from Carberry and marsh here. Agar finally dropped...not sure why all the Aussies rate him so highly, looks like a ordinary clubbie.
Carberry taking on kp's offspin
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I'm I'm a clubbie. And I'd retire happy if I got 99 on my test debut..... at 11.
I realise one innings does not make a player. He needs to do more with the ball.
Feel sorry for the youngster harris. Opened all tournament did a half decent job. But shaun marsh returns(rightly so) and he's out. I'd be gutted.
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Cars brings up his 50 and goes to the top of bbl04 runs scored list .
Gets out next ball taking long off on. Scorchers in trouble here!
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Cars brings up his 50 and goes to the top of bbl04 runs scored list .
Gets out next ball taking long off on. Scorchers in trouble here!
Quite sure he's down at 6 mate...? :)
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Hit the bloooddyyy ball! last over 4x dots in a row!
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20th over bowled as a maiden for the stars think that could be a game winner for the stars
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Quite sure he's down at 6 mate...? :)
..your right. I read a tweet that said he was top scorer and never checked weather it true or not.
(http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h76/smilley792/Screenshot_2015-01-25-09-38-17_zps4pfnxttl.png) (http://s61.photobucket.com/user/smilley792/media/Screenshot_2015-01-25-09-38-17_zps4pfnxttl.png.html)
I blame ayrtek......
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Quite bizarre last over. They didn't even want to run to the keeper.
Thought they would have worked out that all McKay bowls is slower balls.
Cost them the match I reckon. 155 might have been a good score
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Haha thats what they said on comms, I pass the blame onto them :D
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That's some shot by KP! To switch hit Hogg! Amazing
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Cracking shot!! Kpppppppppppppp
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Some people can't hit it that far normally, let alone batting with the wrong hand!
Wright gone, Hoggy and the Scorchers favourites now?
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Scorchers favourites now...all down to kp
Odd innings from white at the top.
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And now Hanscome gone 2nd ball, game on KPs shoulders now?
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KP will need to bat to the end of the innings if the stars are gonna win
Will his ego prevail?
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Probably a blessing that quiney's gone...Kp wasn't getting much of the strike. 11rpo looks hard on this pitch though
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Kp gone with a big swipe. All Scorchers.
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That's the game. Stars fall at the semis again
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Still think there could be a sting in tail.
A few quick boundaries could change this
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Caaarrrrrbbbbbbbssssss
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Well I was wrong that's why Im not a bettingan!
Great performance in the field by the scorchers
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Pretty poor wicket for the final. Surprised that they're using a worn out wicket.
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squeaky bum time on the finish here!
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T20 cricket at its best here, the whole tournament has been awesome and good to watch, tight games, big players, and the aussie equivalent to our county pro's over here really show us up, some good talent on display, and big crowds at most games. Pretty gutted that the Strikers missed out after dominating all year, but thats the nature of sport
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Carberry with a ramp shot to all but win the game, never seen him play that shot before, and some fairly decent running between the sticks.
1 to win from 2
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Henriques has just made a huge mess
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No ball for Dougie not being in the circle that cost them ten has cost the sixes that game!!
Well bowled lyon and Lee in the last two though.
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Having just finished watching it that was one great ending to the tournament.
Shame that presumably we wont see Carbs, Lumb or Wessels playing in the champions league later in the year however due to scheduling.