Topic: Big bash 2015 (Read 58222 times)

csnew · « **Reply #150 on:** January 04, 2015, 01:32:41 PM »

The t20 blast is a lost cause. It's just going more and more down hill.
Playing t20's this year though the summer is a stupid idea. You attract big crowds by having international stars. How's playing though the summer going to attract international players. No wonder sky don't want to show much of the competition. They've got the rights for the IpL so don't expect more t20 blast

Too many teams, too many games, poor pitches, poor quality players.

Even the Caribbean t20 competition attracts more international players than the t20 blast now

Come in 5 and left a bit · « **Reply #151 on:** January 04, 2015, 02:06:04 PM »

Quote from: csnew on January 04, 2015, 01:32:41 PM

Too many teams, too many games, poor pitches, poor quality players.

Even the Caribbean t20 competition attracts more international players than the t20 blast now

Couldn't agree more most counties have 2-3 players (barring Internationals) that could play Big bash level.

ECB really need to think long and hard about the future of domestic cricket not just the national test team

Sam · « **Reply #152 on:** January 04, 2015, 02:23:36 PM »

Easiest way to franchise it would be the 10 standard international grounds. If you went down the BB route of 1 match per day and then kept the finals day you would get it in in just under 50 days.

joeljonno · « **Reply #153 on:** January 04, 2015, 02:29:34 PM »

There has to be some sort of review to ever make it to the T20 into some sort of exciting spectacle.

I guess you could make it into tiers. So the top 8 play each other, then the next 10 in div 2. Two up, two down. Top 4 into finals day?

Have a window of 4 weeks to play the games.

Make the top tier flashy and noisy with bright lights etc. div 2 can be a bit more restrained.

You would have to give the option of players playing at different counties compared to the FC though,?to make sure the best players can be 'hired' from their counties.

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ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #154 on:** January 04, 2015, 02:40:33 PM »

Quote from: smilley792 on January 04, 2015, 12:11:58 PM

We don't have 1.3billion supporters. And we have 18 fc sides.

more first class sides dissolve the player pool and create lesser players.

here here

More counties means more weak players playing county cricket... ie earning a darn good living for not being very good (when compared to the actual good players). We do need to ensure only the best play county cricket, rather than like it has been over time and some avg players making a darn good living.

Sam · « **Reply #155 on:** January 04, 2015, 02:49:18 PM »

Not that good a living for those not that good to be honest. Doubt most of the 'not very good players' presumably at the lower counties such as Leicestershire get much over �30k at the most.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #156 on:** January 04, 2015, 03:06:33 PM »

We need to reduce the number of counties. Not easy to do as each county will claim to deserve to survive. Whilst sam was right that Australia are based mainly in their cities and England/Wales isn't, that shouldn't mean we don't focus on the big cities. At the end of the day that's where most people are and cities are easy to get to.

9 Counties, make the rest minor counties (and do NOT give them money, these must fund themselves and not just use ECB money (either via the ECB or via their county boards!!!).

Return county 2nds to using the local top players to give people something to aim for and reward those performing the top 3-4 divs in that county.

As for the T20's, that should defo be city based franchises, completely separate to the county structure. Players can be hired for any T20 side etc.

Base them in

Brum, London (Probably get 2 in each?), manchester, leeds, nottingham and then where ever else has a good catchment area.

Teams like Leicestershire, Northamptonshire, Gloucestershire, Sommerset really don't have the fan base (by that I mean the numbers who will turn out most T20 games to support etc) to demand to be a franchise.

30k if you aren't very good at something is a pretty decent wage given they get free kit, clothing, food, hotels and possibly things like cars etc. all adds up. Just think how much we spend on kit, training clothing etc alone per year.

Gingerbusiness · « **Reply #157 on:** January 04, 2015, 03:17:28 PM »

I remember when I was playing 2nd XI stuff back in 2003, the average wage for a county cricketer, of any kind, was �24k.

Some very good cricketers were going to other fields because of their earning power. I played with three lads who went on to be professional rugby players instead when they were arguably better cricketers and

Tom Burrows, who was Hants WK behind Pothas, is the only one I know who initially turned down following a Law career to continue to play cricket.

It is like football, salaries will rise as the sport becomes more popular. They will also need to rise if the best players are to be retained.

Sam · « **Reply #158 on:** January 04, 2015, 03:18:05 PM »

Just some interesting stuff :

Map of FC county ground locations, those in red are the international grounds :

List of counties by the amount of members they had in the 2012 season :

In addition the PCA estimates the average county cricketer work roughly 50 hours a week and when you consider the amount of regular travelling and time away from home that's quite high. I think its Durham who in the coming season are going to end up doing nearly about a month straight on the roads down south?

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #159 on:** January 04, 2015, 03:32:46 PM »

Quote from: Gingerbusiness on January 04, 2015, 03:17:28 PM

I remember when I was playing 2nd XI stuff back in 2003, the average wage for a county cricketer, of any kind, was �24k.

Some very good cricketers were going to other fields because of their earning power. I played with three lads who went on to be professional rugby players instead when they were arguably better cricketers and

Tom Burrows, who was Hants WK behind Pothas, is the only one I know who initially turned down following a Law career to continue to play cricket.

It is like football, salaries will rise as the sport becomes more popular. They will also need to rise if the best players are to be retained.

I don't doubt wages need to be enough to retain the 'best' players, there is a huge difference between the 'best' players and the avg guys. Still, 24k and then the free kit, food, training kit, training sessions etc isn't a bad life! considering they hardly work long hours really, longest day is the 90 overs in a day.. if they are just training it's a nice short day most of the time.

Sam · « **Reply #160 on:** January 04, 2015, 03:36:41 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on January 04, 2015, 03:32:46 PM

I don't doubt wages need to be enough to retain the 'best' players, there is a huge difference between the 'best' players and the avg guys. Still, 24k and then the free kit, food, training kit, training sessions etc isn't a bad life! considering they hardly work long hours really, longest day is the 90 overs in a day.. if they are just training it's a nice short day most of the time.

I edited it in above but the PCA estimated the average county cricketer works 50 hours a week. 25% more than the countries standard of about 40 and in addition there's the periods away from home.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #161 on:** January 04, 2015, 04:18:45 PM »

Was going to say it's unfair to lump Somerset with the other counties that struggle for Spectators. Taunton is full every time I've been there for limited overs games and even has respectable crowds for midweek county championship games

The fairest way to reduce the number of 'first class' pro teams is to do away with the current system altogether. Keep the counties as they are but get rid of this minor counties nonsense. 4 or 5 divisions of 8 or 10 teams (how many counties are there?) where Anyone can go up to the highest league or down to the lowest based on players ability and business acumen. Just like football and rugby. I have no doubt whatsoever that this would encourage outside investment. And if you don't secure the investment you don't get the standard of player you need for that division and you go down until you find your level

Each league has its own t20 and 50 over comps with obviously only the premier league being televised

This first class and minor counties nonsense is outdated and holding back the sport

Why should teams be guaranteed professional status just because they were around 100 years ago when it all began? It's ridiculous and doesn't happen in other sports

alba caerulea · « **Reply #162 on:** January 04, 2015, 04:23:45 PM »

Or perhaps a 50 over comp similar to the FA cup where you can draw any team would be interesting. Something needs to change because some current counties have been on their (No Swearing Please) for years

Sam · « **Reply #163 on:** January 04, 2015, 04:30:07 PM »

You've got 38 counties including the minor counties. Problem is they themselves don't play any type of multi day cricket I believe?

Edit : I'm incorrect, they play 3 day cricket.

edge · « **Reply #164 on:** January 04, 2015, 04:46:24 PM »

How's this for a rough go at organising into 10 franchises, tried to get best geographical coverage and balance of rivalries:

1 Yorks
2 Lancs
3 Warks/Worcs
4 Durham
5 Derbs/Notts
6 Glos/Glam
7 Hampshire/Som
8/9 Middlesex, Surrey, Essex, Kent, Sussex into 2 teams.
10 Leics/Northants

Teams would share out revenues to make sure the smaller counties still get funds from it, and in some cases (Glos/Glam being the obvious one) possibly split the matches between their grounds. Main cities would be Leeds, Manchester, London x2, Birmingham, Nottingham, Durham, Southampton, Bristol, Leicester.

Alternatively base it on cities and merge the counties to suit - Bristol, Cardiff, Manchester, London x2, Southampton, Nottingham, Birmingham, Durham, Leeds. That's one city for every major cricket area (also all the international grounds), plus an extra team for London. Makes more sense as a concept, harder to sell to the counties though.

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