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Title: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 09, 2015, 11:53:17 AM
Not much interest in this chaps?  No real speculation on here - do we think a strong Kiwi side is going to mince us?

I think the new look English side might actually surprise a few people.

Any idea on a starting line-up?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 09, 2015, 11:58:09 AM
A journo on twitter Sam Billings was making his debut and would bat 7
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 12:02:32 PM
Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
stokes
Billings
Buttler
Rashid
plunkett
Wood


That's would mean root has to bowl 10 overs.
Unless they drop buttler to fit billings in and play another bowler?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 09, 2015, 12:05:21 PM
I'd doubt that Billings and Buttler would play in the same team, should find out pretty soon with 55 mins until the start.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Rob580 on June 09, 2015, 12:07:58 PM
Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
Morgan
stokes
Billings
Buttler
Rashid
plunkett
Wood


That's would mean root has to bowl 10 overs.
Unless they drop buttler to fit billings in and play another bowler?

Reckon they'll play Willey instead of Taylor and go for

Roy, Hales, Root, Morgan, Stokes, Buttler, Billings, Willey, Rashid, Jordan & Plunkett/Wood

Not that i would agree with dropping Taylor...
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 12:08:09 PM
When I saw the squad. I thought buttler would play first 3. Then be rested and billings get some experience.

But if there starting with him? Buttler really has to be dropped. As if mull gets hold of any bowler, You really want a back up.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 09, 2015, 12:12:08 PM
We surely can't be considering dropping Buttler under any circumstances?

Hales
Roy
Taylor
Root
stokes
Morgan
Buttler
Rashid
Willey
plunkett
Wood

Bat down to 9 and 6 bowlers.

Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on June 09, 2015, 12:23:49 PM
buttler has got to be one we build a side around surely for the next big tournament?

great to see some new faces, I reckon most of us know we are now rebuilding and the old way of playing has not worked.....so give them time please to get better

it wont be done overnight :)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 09, 2015, 12:31:11 PM
TMS reporting no Willey, Wood or Taylor
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 09, 2015, 12:34:05 PM
England: Hales, Roy, Root, Morgan (c), Stokes, Buttler (wk), Billings, Rashid, Jordan, Plunkett, Finn
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 12:35:53 PM
Abit flabbergasted taylor is dropped. 
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Rob580 on June 09, 2015, 12:38:18 PM
Thats just standard Taylor treatment right there.

'Oh i see you're doing really well. Better drop you / ignore you / say you're too short then'
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 09, 2015, 12:40:57 PM
Taylors admission is quite strange given he came out of the winter with his reputation enhanced (in my opinion anyway).

Really pleased for Sam Billings though, hes a top lad. I sponsor his shirts at Kent, wonder if he'll give me a signed England one too!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 09, 2015, 12:41:08 PM
Ok - didn't see that XI coming!!

Can understand Wood and Willey I guess through rest and injury, but a bit harsh on Taylor.

Finn could be a huge, huge risk if he doesn't click (although I personally hope he has one of his fast and nasty days and sticks it up a couple of Kiwis!)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 01:00:54 PM
Well that wasn't the start we wanted!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 09, 2015, 01:01:36 PM
New side and wicket first ball!


Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: rich041187 on June 09, 2015, 01:03:39 PM
Well that went well!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: skip1973 on June 09, 2015, 01:18:43 PM
Root seeing them like watermelons still.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 01:25:25 PM
Have nz turned to spin ti slow us down? Or merely switch Boult's ends?

Either way decent start for the English.  Can we maintain?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: peristocle on June 09, 2015, 01:49:21 PM


It's a good start, feeling positive about this series. Performances will be more important than results
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: MD2812 on June 09, 2015, 01:56:59 PM
Feel sorry for Taylor, from Captain to drinks carrier :(
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 09, 2015, 02:22:09 PM
About time England played on decent ODI pitches at home. For far too long green tops or slow decks have been prepared for odi's.
Get playing on more flat tracks like the rest of the world.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 02:43:49 PM
Morgan falls. But




Roooooooooooooooooooot

Ton up for the Yorkshire man in 71 balls.

Can anyone remember when he'd just be moved down and down the order as flower didn't rate his attacking ability?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Neon Cricket on June 09, 2015, 02:44:10 PM
To think Root is only 24 - scary good!!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 02:51:51 PM
Doh! Over confidence from root?


He will be England's best player across all formats for a while that kid!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Neon Cricket on June 09, 2015, 03:02:54 PM
He will be England's best player across all formats for a while that kid!

I'd back him to break all the run scoring records before he's done - imagine if he keeps this up for another 10 years!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 03:07:53 PM
Despite being 5 down with 22 left. I hope england don't get hung up on the wicket count.

I.e play a more conservative line up next game. Or return to drilling in the not get out part.

It's a learning curve for us. And we have just started that curve! Good things to come from this side
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: TangoWhiskey on June 09, 2015, 03:10:26 PM
Despite being 5 down with 22 left. I hope england don't get hung up on the wicket count.

I.e play a more conservative line up next game. Or return to drilling in the not get out part.

It's a learning curve for us. And we have just started that curve! Good things to come from this side

Nah, get to 240 as soon as possible. At least then you have something to bowl at and if you still have wickets in hand then you can go crazy.

It used to be get to 240 in 50 overs, I'd rather see us getting bowled out for 240 in 35/40 overs than watching Jonathan Trott eek out 70* off 110.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: rich041187 on June 09, 2015, 03:21:58 PM
As exciting as this has been to watch, it highlights the need of accumulative batsmen in the middle alongside the biffers. This is why the omission of Taylor is bizarre. He wouldv slotted in beautifully!! The best aussie teams always had a Clarke/Hussey/Martyn who will still score at a run a ball plus, but are willing to stick around and be the innings glue. England are defo getting there, and with tweaks can create a v decent team
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 04:03:09 PM
Got to love nick knight... not.

"6 an over from here gets us 350"

surely even 6 down we got to be looking at ten an over? Be positive man!!


Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 04:12:07 PM
Do you think cook is sat at home thinking. I should still be skipper and opening!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 09, 2015, 04:19:17 PM
Does anyone know if the highlights for this are on channel 5?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: e4sby on June 09, 2015, 04:23:02 PM

Does anyone know if the highlights for this are on channel 5?

Midnight tonight on channel 5 if you fancy stopping up and watching Root and Buttler spank it
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 04:24:32 PM
Well batted buttler well batted rashid. Ton and 50 up respectively.

400 on??
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: rbblack on June 09, 2015, 04:33:27 PM
What an innings from Jos. My word this kid is good when he's allowed to play his own way.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 04:42:21 PM
2 wickets Dall in the last over. And 400 seems so fat away! Can Finn and plunkett get 6 more runs?  Huge psychological edge 400!!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 04:42:50 PM
400! First ball 6 for plunkett. Never in doubt he's from Yorkshire! !
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 09, 2015, 04:46:20 PM
Do you think cook is sat at home thinking. I should still be skipper and opening!

Believe me he probably still does think he's good enough!


Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 09, 2015, 04:47:19 PM
Surprising no complaints about it being a flat pitch/short boundaries/new ODI rules/nothing in it for the bowlers etc that high scores usually get.

Great entertainment! More flat pitches ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: tim2000s on June 09, 2015, 04:54:29 PM
Been away from updates for half the afternoon. When I left we were two hundred and something for five. Then we're 408-9 :o Where did England go? Who replaced them with a totally different team? What a great score! How will the Kiwis get on, given their batting?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Finn gets b mac!  #topofoff
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 09, 2015, 06:20:47 PM
This is a much better England side and not just because they scored 400. It looks to be much more balanced with attacking stroke makers throughout and a varied bowling attack.
Tough day for NZ on the cards here although we do bat pretty deep.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Manormanic on June 09, 2015, 06:31:26 PM
Thats just standard Taylor treatment right there.

'Oh i see you're doing really well. Better drop you / ignore you / say you're too short then'

England obviously see something in JT that they dislike.  Problem is, no one else has any idea what it is and, unlike a KP stuation, it does not lend itself well to speculation....
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 09, 2015, 07:21:46 PM
So why was rashid not picked in the West Indies and the test series?
Not bowled too badly today!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 09, 2015, 07:23:44 PM
Moores didn't trust/rate him did he? Said he wasn't bowling well enough for selection .

He certainly did for ronchi.  What ronchi get in that test again?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 09, 2015, 07:31:58 PM
Full credit to England but some of these LBW decisions are very poor.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: rich041187 on June 09, 2015, 07:34:50 PM
It's so nice not watching broad bang it in half way down


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Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on June 09, 2015, 07:43:55 PM
What a boring game. Simply too many runs, it gets Boring to watch. Not a patch on the NZ vs aus game in the wc for entertainment

Nice to see England play with adventure and have a young team though. NZ bowled and fielded terribly
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Disco on June 09, 2015, 07:44:31 PM
Well that went fairly well.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 09, 2015, 08:51:40 PM
What a boring game. Simply too many runs, it gets Boring to watch. Not a patch on the NZ vs aus game in the wc for entertainment

Nice to see England play with adventure and have a young team though. NZ bowled and fielded terribly

Some people are just hard to please.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 09, 2015, 08:58:22 PM
We battered the 2nd best side in the world with a new brand of cricket happy days.

Just a start though but encouraging  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: sanredrose on June 09, 2015, 09:10:26 PM
I had seen articles in the past describing how Joe Root's game play is outdated and sticking to the old test cricket standards. I used to be a bit disappointed, i always felt this guy is as good as any other attacking player in the world. His stance and the way he handles his bat during a bowlers delivery stride reminds me of Lance Klusener. I was very happy to see him take charge of the innings today .. Good shots and attacking attitude. Set the tone for a big score and Butler rightly finished what Root started !

ECB should atleast let Root, Butler & Stokes to play IPL. IPL stint would make them even more dangerous and prepare their temperament for such attacking game play .... they would also learn a lot by playing against good set of spinners.

Good start, keep it up .. When Root scores the entire team roars :-)


Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 10, 2015, 02:08:21 AM
I had seen articles in the past describing how Joe Root's game play is outdated and sticking to the old test cricket standards. I used to be a bit disappointed, i always felt this guy is as good as any other attacking player in the world. His stance and the way he handles his bat during a bowlers delivery stride reminds me of Lance Klusener. I was very happy to see him take charge of the innings today .. Good shots and attacking attitude. Set the tone for a big score and Butler rightly finished what Root started !

ECB should atleast let Root, Butler & Stokes to play IPL. IPL stint would make them even more dangerous and prepare their temperament for such attacking game play .... they would also learn a lot by playing against good set of spinners.

Good start, keep it up .. When Root scores the entire team roars :-)

IPL teams want players who bring in the paying public. Unfortunately those players aren't rockstar enough.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 10, 2015, 07:51:54 AM
I think Buttler might start coming to their notice.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: tim2000s on June 10, 2015, 07:57:23 AM
IPL teams want players who bring in the paying public. Unfortunately those players aren't rockstar enough.
Yet ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: uknsaunders on June 10, 2015, 10:02:49 AM
Full credit to England but some of these LBW decisions are very poor.

Bit harsh, apart from Rashids googly (clever bowling to a tailender) which I thought was out at first glance, nothing else appeared to be wrong.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: swamidude on June 10, 2015, 04:20:58 PM
IPL teams want players who bring in the paying public. Unfortunately those players aren't rockstar enough.

Buttler would walk into most T20 teams, and Root can't be far behind. As an all rounder I'm sure SRH would rather have Stokes than Henriques  :D
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: calcurtis98 on June 10, 2015, 06:47:08 PM
Was there for the game, cheers Vitality for the free tickets. Never enjoyed a cricket game that much, thoroughly entertained.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 10, 2015, 09:08:07 PM
Bit harsh, apart from Rashids googly (clever bowling to a tailender) which I thought was out at first glance, nothing else appeared to be wrong.

I thought Taylor's was pretty bad. The angle had it just clipping leg, I don't think that umpires should be giving those out for any team if the player is playing a shot. That one of Rashid looked like the umpire was just in awe of the delivery and gave it out. It was never out, too often we see these given because umpires are unsure what they've just witnessed. Good bowling though from the leggy.
No sour lemons, we were out played.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 10, 2015, 09:10:39 PM
I think Buttler might start coming to their notice.

Just needs a crazy haircut and some gold jewellery. Yeah he's awesome. I think Root will struggle to get a contract until he starts captaining England.
I'll continue to say it, I think Stokes is too inconsistent, great on his day but those days are very far apart.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 12, 2015, 12:26:08 PM
McCullum teeing off!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on June 12, 2015, 12:41:30 PM
Past tense now....
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: rich041187 on June 12, 2015, 12:52:19 PM
Surprised Plunkett doesn't get the new ball ahead of Jordan
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Kieron_BT on June 12, 2015, 02:17:50 PM
ODI cricket is going to end up having to change the rules

Team batting 1st gets 40 overs and the team batting 2nd gets 50 overs!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Sam on June 12, 2015, 02:41:02 PM
Did he nick that...? Wonder if that would be been overruled.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 12, 2015, 02:57:53 PM
Jordan isn't international quality. He was smashed around in the t20 blast.

Shame Cory Anderson isn't playing or 400 would be on the cards here
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 12, 2015, 04:04:06 PM
The sky sports commentating team seems to get worse with every game. Gowar and botham are so dull.
Don't know how many times botham is going to harp on about bowling Yorkers, give it a rest mate.

New England comes down to earth with a bang
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on June 12, 2015, 04:08:59 PM
to be fair if you get the Yorker right it's virtually impossible to score off.
Yes AB de Villiers seems to somehow guide them down to third man but most mortals can't do much with it.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 04:41:39 PM
New zealand bowled more Yorkers already than England's entire innings.
Maybe Botham with be quiet when england learn the basics??


Both england men in. But alot of wafts going on. Be some sledging out there if it was a sat.

Roy a few mis hits and edges dropping in gaps.  One of those gaps in Nathan Mccullum hands.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 12, 2015, 04:46:26 PM
I'm really failing to see what all the hype about Alex Hales is. Every other shot is a wild slog to leg.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 12, 2015, 05:18:39 PM
2/100

Big McCullum got Roy for 39
Mitch Santner got Root for 6,
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 12, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
Left arm spinner vs England. As soon as it turns, same old England.
3 down
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 12, 2015, 05:20:59 PM
3/100 Santner gets Hales for 54(maiden ODI fifty)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 05:25:47 PM
I have a quick shower and we lose 3 wickets go figure!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 12, 2015, 05:30:28 PM
Some interesting batting here by England...

This is a much better side though. All these batsman are dangerous. Get one out and another comes in. Not like the old England.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 12, 2015, 05:32:02 PM
Some interesting batting here by England...

This is a much better side though. All these batsman are dangerous. Get one out and another comes in. Not like the old England.
Pitches being like a motorway help with just trying to hammer everything though, and the Kiwis don't have any proper fast bowlers.

Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 12, 2015, 05:44:38 PM
4/163 mcclenaghan gets Stokes
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 06:15:48 PM
I'm not sure we will do it. But england making a better job of this chase than nz did in the last game.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 12, 2015, 07:05:55 PM
Like I said, they seem like a much better side than previous years. Dangerous players throughout and a very positive mindset. Good for England that different guys are stepping up as well.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 07:09:13 PM
Do we believe the wc odi england would have made 313 for 7 with 9 left?

We may not win this, but we are still doing a dam site better than previous.

We are on the up. These are building blocks. The future is bright. The future is yorkshire based......
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Giraffe208 on June 12, 2015, 07:11:54 PM
Regardless of the result. Good to see positive cricket from two teams when it involves England!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: calcurtis98 on June 12, 2015, 07:28:45 PM
Silly rain ruining an interesting last few overs!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 07:29:37 PM
Bit gutted the rain came. And only 9 runs of the duckworth and lewis.

Plunkett drive over cover for 6 of the left arm spinner was shot of the game for me!

Good game. Good game.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 12, 2015, 07:30:33 PM
Brave new England great cricket from both sides unless your a bowler
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Sam on June 12, 2015, 08:06:52 PM
Santner and Elliott to bowl?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Giraffe208 on June 12, 2015, 08:15:49 PM
D/L ruined a fantastic game of cricket!

Well played NZ. Bring on game 3!!!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 12, 2015, 08:39:06 PM
Get cook, ballance and trott back in this one day side!
Cook still probably thinks he's good enough.

Southampton should be an even flatter wicket, more runs!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: sanredrose on June 12, 2015, 09:34:12 PM
Get cook, ballance and trott back in this one day side!
Cook still probably thinks he's good enough.

Southampton should be an even flatter wicket, more runs!

You want NZ to win :D ?? Today was a case of captain leading the chase and entire team chipping in with short and effective innings. Yes England fell short, thanks to the revised target but it was a bloody good chase. I would have never expected this chase from england's 2015 wc side, but this side is capable of chasing for sure. This is the way cricket should be played and i like the way this bunch of english players are going things ...

Ballance, Cook & Bell can keep scratching their head and probably learn ODI style batting from Butler :D !!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 12, 2015, 09:53:17 PM
I'm going to presume the new in cs new is for new Zealand.  So yeah he'd want nz to win.



Just think though. Cook as captain and opening.  Nz could have got 500 and we being 190 for 1 chasing that when the rain came!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 13, 2015, 08:05:21 PM
Jordan out with Sidestrain. Expected after rolling up in game.

But now plunkett ruled out too.

Overton called up at mo.


So who gets the game? Willey and wood in?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Sam on June 13, 2015, 08:31:28 PM
I personally wasn't an advocate of bringing in Willey if he's going to bat as low as 8 (Or maybe 9 given how Rashid is going) practically as a specialist bowler but if those 2 are both out I'd prefer to see him in than Overton for the sake of it. Most reports saying Jordan is having a fitness test tomorrow morning, not sure to hope whether he passes or not now...
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 13, 2015, 09:11:05 PM
After his bowling in the last game, New Zealand have confirmed their medical staff are working tirelessly to get Chris Jordan back up to full match fitness!  ;)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 14, 2015, 08:36:02 AM
By all means get him fit but for me although a brilliant fiielder his batting and bowling are not yet good enough.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 14, 2015, 09:04:00 AM
I guessed good

Wood and Willey in.

England bat.



No Boult for nz!(injured), N mac dropped too.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 14, 2015, 09:22:36 AM
Would have liked Taylor for billings.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 14, 2015, 09:32:28 AM
That would be harsh and very old school england on billings though?

"You've had two chances, on your bike son" I believe he deserves a chance and proper crack at it.


But also taylor should have started the series playing.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 14, 2015, 09:55:55 AM
Alex Hales is a dud. How he gets selected ahead of a superbly talented James Taylor is absurd.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: calcurtis98 on June 14, 2015, 10:15:47 AM
41-2 off 10, not the greatest start for England.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 14, 2015, 10:21:09 AM
That would be harsh and very old school england on billings though?

"You've had two chances, on your bike son" I believe he deserves a chance and proper crack at it.


But also taylor should have started the series playing.

Why is it old school to drop somebody !!!!

It just a selection i understand the balance there trying to balance out with Stokes at 5 and they don't want Buttler to low down because they have tried and it has worked.

No issue with it just feel Taylor is a class act in ODI cricket.

But you can't grumble with bold moves and thats what there trying fair play.

What happend to Wagner the Kiwi chap loved watching him real grafter
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: uknsaunders on June 14, 2015, 10:43:02 AM
Agree with Dave, if you are going to pick roy, Hale's, Morgan,stokes, butler then you need somebody other than root to accumulate and nurse the innings through. Plenty of stroke makers in that team already.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 14, 2015, 12:35:03 PM
Would have liked Taylor for billings.

Which muppet said this !!! Maybe why I'm watching it decent stuff
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Number4 on June 14, 2015, 12:39:50 PM
Very poor effort by Butler earlier. Bat shot selection
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 14, 2015, 01:01:23 PM
302 all out my be a dissapiontment for some. But remember. We only got 303 against Scotland in the world cup.......


Can't do it every game. But reckon we are 50 to 60 short here.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 14, 2015, 04:03:24 PM
Another magnificent hundred by Kane Williamson. Master at work.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: LEACHY48 on June 14, 2015, 04:30:36 PM
and another bloody dolly dropped by england, first we collapse from 5 down and then field like idiots, today is not our day
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 14, 2015, 04:32:08 PM
Consecutive ODI hundreds for Ross Taylor, third time in his career he has achieved this feat.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Aussie In England on June 14, 2015, 05:25:15 PM
New Zealand win by 3 wickets. Lead the series 2-1.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 14, 2015, 06:17:11 PM
Can't compare  one dayers to tests.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: skip1973 on June 14, 2015, 11:36:45 PM
Can't compare  one dayers to tests.
Only that England are poor at both Ha Ha
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 15, 2015, 12:53:16 PM
Love the banter Lets just see at end of the series!!!

Hope it just entertaining like the series with New Zealand I can take defeat to decent sides but have a feeling (maybe a scrot rot mind)
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Sam on June 15, 2015, 12:54:39 PM
Jamie Overton has now been called up to the squad, maybe we can play one of them and switch them without anyone noticing during the match  ;).
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 15, 2015, 04:07:36 PM
Only that England are poor at both Ha Ha

England score 400 plus in the 1st ODI win by a record score  against an excellent kiwi bowling attack  considered by many in the press to be the best ever ODi match and 300 of 45 overs in the 3rd ODi and are called poor strange that.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 15, 2015, 08:16:13 PM
England score 400 plus in the 1st ODI win by a record score  against an excellent kiwi bowling attack  considered by many in the press to be the best ever ODi match and 300 of 45 overs in the 3rd ODi and are called poor strange that.

Just need to reel him in now Skip...
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 15, 2015, 08:42:13 PM
Just need to reel him in now Skip...

Ashes time nearly got to love it when all bets are off !!!!!

 :D
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: FattusCattus on June 16, 2015, 08:58:23 AM
Ermmm?  Both Overton boys called up to the squad?

whilst I'm sure they are worthy players both - neither set the county and one-day scene alight do they? Are there not other, better one day bowlers on the scene?

I will look up their figures, but it does seem a somewhat left-field selection.

I had assumed people like Harris, Brooks, Coles, Footit etc were in the queue - but maybe they are poo at One day stuff?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: jwebber86 on June 16, 2015, 09:09:01 AM
As a somerset fan I completely agree Fattus. They have potential to be brilliant players Jamie bowls 90mph + Craig isn't quite as quick but has more control and both are hard hitting batsmen with Craig as the better bat.

I'm sure on a few years if they both progress well then it's a good selection but at the mo it's just about potential
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on June 17, 2015, 08:19:13 AM
Ermmm?  Both Overton boys called up to the squad?

whilst I'm sure they are worthy players both - neither set the county and one-day scene alight do they? Are there not other, better one day bowlers on the scene?

I will look up their figures, but it does seem a somewhat left-field selection.

I had assumed people like Harris, Brooks, Coles, Footit etc were in the queue - but maybe they are poo at One day stuff?

They're in the system though Fattus - they have Loughborough membership cards and have played Lions.
Harris on the other hand said in an interview that the Performance squad 'training' he did ruined his action...
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 17, 2015, 08:28:39 AM
Will we change sides today?

With willeys decent figures and early swing in last odi I can't see the bowling side of things changing.

As for batting will we go same again or will they try get Taylor in for some staying power?
If so how do they do it?

Taylor to 3/4/5/6 everyone move down one? Billings out?
Or
Root open for Roy and Taylor at 3?


I personally reckon it will be same xi, and will enjoy watching them. Weather alowing

Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 17, 2015, 08:35:50 AM
If we win tonight it will be 4 consecutive series wins in England for the BlackCaps. Outstanding.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: shamelessshaun on June 17, 2015, 08:40:02 AM
Same XI for me. No reason to change for this series. Getting the crowds back on the side of England will do wonders when it comes to the ashes. People will be excited to come and watch again.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 17, 2015, 09:05:48 AM
If we win tonight it will be 4 consecutive series wins in England for the BlackCaps. Outstanding.

Yet still can't win a test series how strange !!!!

To be honest though the whole New Zealand side will live long in the memory fair play
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on June 17, 2015, 09:13:50 AM
I think Billings looks a good player. The one who looks uncertain to me is Roy. So, maybe Root opens with JT at 3. Not sure it will happen though.

I think the best thing about NZ is that they're hard but not boorish. I know this has been said before, but htis is perhaps the most refreshing and memorable aspect of their side to be honest. That and KW. Such a good player.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: ppccopener on June 17, 2015, 09:27:35 AM
KW is absolute class and the whole series, test and one dayers, has been excellent. Second the attitude of the Kiwi's...all the strutting around and sledging is a complete waste of time, NZ have shown(if we ever needed remnding) you can be hard on the field,shake hands afterwards win or lose and (i'm sure) have a beer afterwards...

As for England, I presume they know about Taylor and want to look at Billings and Jason Roy, a bit harsh on JT but you cannot look at new players otherwise. I would keep Billings in myself to see what he has got, same with Roy.....

Taylor I think will be the new Ravi Bopara-the first man to be dropped all the time.Not sure what it is about him just a gut feeling he won't make a fully fledged International player..
He has talent for sure and a good cricket brain,but maybe he will be the one to miss out.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 17, 2015, 11:31:07 AM
If we win tonight it will be 4 consecutive series wins in England for the BlackCaps. Outstanding.

Whatever the outcome of this series Brendon Mccullum and his team have to be admired for the way they play there cricket.Also believe because  of the way the Kiwis play ( plus a poor England at the World Cup ) made England selectors  sit up and take notice and select exciting players to watch who play without fear.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Nmcgee on June 17, 2015, 11:47:58 AM
Just watching the replay of game 3. KW and RT absolutely schooled the English bowlers. I'm not sure David Willey is an International standard bowler either. A couple of soft wickets to bolster the stats and nothing really looked dangerous.

Anyway, game 4 should be interesting.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 17, 2015, 08:00:31 PM
Cook probably still thinks he should be in the side.

You England guys still want to get rid of Morgan?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Johnny on June 17, 2015, 08:05:15 PM
Scarily, I still don't think this is our best team! Feel sorry for James Taylor - he's been hard done by, but don't see how he could fit in the side at the moment.

Not sure of the point of Billings at 7. I'd prefer another bowling all rounder I think. Maybe move Rashid up one, keep Willey and slot Plunkett or Jordan back in once fit
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 17, 2015, 08:28:33 PM
This is a bloody good team to watch now and one you have to be nervous about playing. Aggressive batsman throughout and Root holding them together.

Man, how good was Vettorri?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: SLC on June 17, 2015, 08:32:49 PM
If England can get this good, this quickly, it raises serious questions about what Peter moores was doing so badly wrong [and the twonks who appointed him).
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 17, 2015, 08:34:10 PM
I'm just glad the Ross Taylor drop catch didn't cost us...
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Nmcgee on June 18, 2015, 12:28:45 AM
Just saw the scores from the match. Looking at the scorecard, seems like Wood put in another fantastic effort with the ball, Willey got spanked again and Williamson / Root ran a batting clinic.....again. Hopefully catch the replay tonight.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 18, 2015, 09:29:36 AM
Only that England are poor at both Ha Ha

Poor England with there attacking brand of cricket equal the 4th highest total by any team batting 2nd to win an ODI scoring 350 off 44 overs in the process beating there previous best of 306 for 5  v Pakistan  in 2000.
Strange that.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Sam on June 18, 2015, 09:47:31 AM
T20 squad announced, Vince and Topley in.

England squad: Eoin Morgan (Middlesex), Sam Billings (Kent), Jos Buttler (Lancashire), Steven Finn (Middlesex), Alex Hales (Nottinghamshire), Adil Rashid (Yorkshire), Joe Root (Yorkshire), Jason Roy (Surrey), Ben Stokes (Durham), Reece Topley (Essex), James Vince (Hampshire), David Willey (Northamptonshire), Mark Wood (Durham).
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: TangoWhiskey on June 18, 2015, 09:53:35 AM
What a breath of fresh air this new look England side is! My Mrs bought me tickets to the ODI at Lords vs Australia but have a cousin's wedding on that day so can't go. Up until a couple of weeks ago I wasn't fussed about missing it but now..!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: uknsaunders on June 18, 2015, 09:54:45 AM
If England can get this good, this quickly, it raises serious questions about what Peter moores was doing so badly wrong [and the twonks who appointed him).

A few stats jokes flying around last night and it looks like the players have been allowed to just play.

Before we get too carried away....

Boundaries have been brought in like never before and these are the 4 flattest ODI decks I have seen in England for a while. Some of the bowling hasn't been top draw either, from both sides but pressure can do that. Both teams are probably shipping 50 runs + each due to those factors alone.

Can't help thinking Durham won't be quite as flat or as small.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: golders on June 18, 2015, 10:03:34 AM
Where are these stat jokes? !Are you referring to Morgan chatting about par scores in post match interview?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 18, 2015, 10:28:36 AM
If England can get this good, this quickly, it raises serious questions about what Peter moores was doing so badly wrong [and the twonks who appointed him).
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That's my view to when i first  heard of the appointment   felt  it was a backward step for England.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 20, 2015, 09:45:28 AM
Baffling. Seems Taylor really isn't wanted in the side.


Butler injured. So you'd think billings, a keeper takes the gloves, and Taylor dots in the batting line up......


Nope
Butler out, Barstow in with gloves and bats at six.

Billings stays as crickets only specialist no7 batsman.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: joeljonno on June 20, 2015, 09:48:09 AM
Seems strange but Bairstow is looking good this season.

I'd have thought Billings to keep though and get Taylor in.

Are they thinking Bairstow may have to keep in the tests die to Buttlers injury and this game is to get him back in the routine of England???


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Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Alvaro on June 20, 2015, 09:55:47 AM
England's fielding has been the issue. Billings is better than Taylor, Bairstow is in gun form. Taylor would be first reserve if Root or Morgan got injured lost form.

Wicket.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: iand123 on June 20, 2015, 10:06:08 AM
Weirdly, billings is a better keeper than Bairstow but Bairstow is probably the better bat. You can change the "brand of cricket" but you can't change the non-sensical approach to selection with England
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 20, 2015, 10:14:44 AM
Joelj's reasoning. Bairstow is first reserve for the test side, so get him back in the England groove just in case.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: joeljonno on June 20, 2015, 10:34:04 AM
Gillespie has been saying that Bairstow should be back in England reckoning for last 3 weeks, that is how well he's been performing.


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Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 20, 2015, 06:04:32 PM
Smacked!!! Bairstow!!!!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 20, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Bravo! Such talent, JohnnyB!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 20, 2015, 06:24:18 PM
Fair to say the decision to play bairstow was a master stroke.

Runs from billings and bairstow, can't see Taylor getting a game anytime soon now! He must be gutted
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2015, 06:27:53 PM
If we win tonight it will be 4 consecutive series wins in England for the BlackCaps. Outstanding.

Start the Car  :D

Unlucky son!!!!!

Them chicken aint hatched
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2015, 06:29:02 PM
However world class series fair play both side's
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 20, 2015, 06:30:52 PM
Well done, Bairstow!!!!!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2015, 06:34:44 PM
Really has set the touch paper again great series against world class side who play the game the way it should be.

New Zealand may have lost the series but have gained more new admirers
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 20, 2015, 07:13:41 PM
Only that England are poor at both Ha Ha

Poor England set a new ODI record for runs scored in a five match series.
Strange that.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on June 20, 2015, 10:15:10 PM
England have been unlucky with DWL as well. They played very well which was a bit of a shock. Imagine if they had that side at the WC.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2015, 10:20:17 PM
England have been unlucky with DWL as well. They played very well which was a bit of a shock. Imagine if they had that side at the WC.

With the coach At the time I doubt as much you got to be proud of your side pal proper cricket side and only gonna get better.

You have in my opinion the best batsman in the world and not far off the best bowler.

I hope the ashes lives up to the kiwi tour but I expect it may not do this has been epic both test and one day series your side will be missed pal.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 20, 2015, 10:57:33 PM
^ Why do you think Ashes would be uneventful?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on June 20, 2015, 11:01:03 PM
^ Why do you think Ashes would be uneventful?

I don't pal I think that too will be a very even fought contest.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 21, 2015, 12:57:15 AM
^ I hope so, I am waiting for it!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 21, 2015, 01:21:30 PM
Unfortunately I don't think find the Aussies will play the Ashes or any cricket against England in the same Sprite as New Zealand who have been a breath of fresh air.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: InternalTraining on June 21, 2015, 02:37:21 PM
Gotta give them credit, NZ are a great side with great spirit and respect for the game!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: smilley792 on June 23, 2015, 06:53:18 PM
England post 191 for 7

The ever magnificent Yorkshire man root with a fantastic 68!

Can't help think we would have had more had hales not ran Roy out.


Anyway looking forward to the chase!
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: csnew on June 23, 2015, 08:04:40 PM
Williamson on another level at the moment. Making it look easy, no fancy reverse sweeps or ramps, just classy shots.

Need him out soon
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: TangoWhiskey on June 24, 2015, 08:28:18 AM
I honestly can't believe the change in this England side. 5 months ago during the world cup I was just about ready to renounce my citizenship in shame, but this team is unbelievable. I love how not only are they so entertaining, but the guys look like they are having so much fun playing. It's incredibly refreshing. I have a feeling the smiles may be in part down to the fact they aren't being called a see you next Tuesday by a snarling borderline midget Aussie with a severe case of small mans syndrome but I do hope it can continue throughout the summer.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: peristocle on June 24, 2015, 10:20:18 AM


Do we know who makes Jason Roy's bats?
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: liscon12 on June 24, 2015, 10:25:14 AM
Tesco Steve I think
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 11, 2015, 08:12:35 PM
Only that England are poor at both Ha Ha

England beat Australia by 169 runs inside four days winning every session since the first morning
Making this quote look Ridiculous.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: potzy248 on July 11, 2015, 11:27:05 PM
England beat Australia by 169 runs inside four days winning every session since the first morning
Making this quote look Ridiculous.

If we dug up every "ridiculous" comment on here, we would be here for years.

You have to admit when he said that comment England were looking pretty average. Now they look awesome.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: skip1973 on July 12, 2015, 12:45:34 AM
England beat Australia by 169 runs inside four days winning every session since the first morning
Making this quote look Ridiculous.
If you look at their form over the last 18 months there is nothing ridiculous about it, what's ridiculous is making stupid comments after 1 game of a 5 game series.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: Seniorplayer on July 12, 2015, 12:46:51 PM
If you look at their form over the last 18 months there is nothing ridiculous about it, what's ridiculous is making stupid comments after 1 game of a 5 game series.

No not stupid anyone who understands cricket could see at the time you made your poor England Ha ha quote England were turning things around.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: skip1973 on July 19, 2015, 03:15:33 PM
No not stupid anyone who understands cricket could see at the time you made your poor England Ha ha quote England were turning things around.
Maybe they should have stopped turning before they went full circle.
Title: Re: Eng vs NZ ODI series
Post by: procricket on July 19, 2015, 03:17:30 PM
good the ashes banter it 1-1 though or soon will bar a earthquake.