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General Cricket => Players => Topic started by: sfa82 on July 22, 2015, 02:08:48 PM
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Following on from the last few comments in the Ashes thread, I got to thinking about players who seem to have all the potential/talent in the world, but somehow will not be remembered as greats. Ramprakash and Bell were mentioned, and immediately for me (as a South African) Gibbs came to mind. He always made batting look easy, but lacked the application of a Kallis or even Kirsten. Cullinan too was greatly talented and dominated the domestic scene for a while, but never proved to be mentally up to the task at international level to be remembered as a great, even in SA.
Which players from other countries come to mind?
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Simon Kerrigan! Although he was harshly treated in my opinion.
Shane Watson - made a career of making a pretty 30-40 odd then getting out LBW.
Ed Joyce - 3 hundreds in 52 ODIs, I honestly thought he'd have more than that.
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I think for the West Indies Carl Hooper would have to be in there. Fantastic stylist but ended his career just as an average test player.
From England we have had quite a few
Mark Lathwell was a Somerset player who didn't even get off the ground at test level and great things were predicted for him at aged 21
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Vinod Kambli
Michael Bevan
Chris Lewis
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Glen Chapple, a major "what if?" on the international front.
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Jimmy Adams 4 hundreds in his first 14 tests, 6 in 54 tests overall.
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Glen Chapple, a major "what if?" on the international front.
That's slightly different - Chapple wasn't given the opportunity to succeed as he wasn't picked.
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Matthew Maynard. And, who knows, perhaps Tom too...?
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Does this include players who forced their way in through weight of runs, but the selectors didn't really fancy them?
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That's slightly different - Chapple wasn't given the opportunity to succeed as he wasn't picked.
yes not sure Chapple fits I here, brilliant cricketer, very close to selection for England i'm sure but never got the chance
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Graeme Hick, Neil Fairbrother?
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Stuart Broad
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Matthew Maynard. And, who knows, perhaps Tom too...?
Yep Matt Maynard, stunning natural timer of the ball, didn't do much in a brief International career
and Tom for sure, RIP that was a crying shame and a waste of a lad with major talent.
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Ramprakash is the first England player that springs to mind
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Would definitely go with Graeme Hick personally (only at international level mind!!).
You could argue KP too...
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Ben Holliaoke. Was there ever a more exciting international debut than his? I'd never even seen him play before and there he against Aus effortlessly dispatching Mcgrath & Warne to all parts. Was probably unfulfilled even before his untimely demise. A little reminder...
http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/407730.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine/content/story/407730.html)
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Ishant Sharma?
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Ravi Bopara
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Fawah Ahmed?
He had his citizenship fast tracked and was dubbed the saviour of spin in Australia, yet is still waiting to make his Test debut.
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Saeed anwar .... What a great batsman but didn't last long
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Lovely player @icewolf Perhaps Imran Nazir could have been more successful
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Does this include players who forced their way in through weight of runs, but the selectors didn't really fancy them?
Brad Hodge falls in this category: 1 double century, 2 half centuries and a test average of 56. Dropped after 6 tests.
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Saeed anwar .... What a great batsman but didn't last long
great batsman.
loss of a 3 year old daughter changed the man completely.
Never played test cricket after that Test where he got the horrible news (was 2000/2001 from memory) and turned to religion big time.
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Martin Love
Jesse Ryder
Suresh Raina
Yuvraj Singh
Matt Elliott (Harsh after breaking his leg)
Stuart Law
Richard Levi after destroying NZ in one of his 1st T20 games.
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Jesse Ryder is a great shout
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Joe Denly
Rikki Clarke
Shaun Tait
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Graham Hick
mark Ramperkash
Me.
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Hick
Ramprakash
Chris Lewis
Vaughan - what happened after THAT golden year?
Shane Watson
The list goes on...how about Lara? Many top WI fans reckon he should've been averaging well over 70. Harsh, but maybe they have a point?
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Jacques Rudolph - 222 on test match debut... Played a few games but never went on the concour the world
Billy Godleman - given a contract at Middlesex at 15 but jumped from county to county. Really pleased to see him getting a solid go at Derby now
Mohammad Ashraful - 100 early in his test match career against India and never showed anything of note after
Xavier Marshall of the West Indies - test match debut at 19... What happened to him?!? Not played a first class game since 2003
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Just a few I have played with / against over the years who haven't really kicked on (I play in the Liverpool Comp BTW)
Mohammed Zaid (once fastest bowler in the world) now playing club cricket on Merseyside.
Vishal Tripathi: exceptional talent, spent a year or so at Northants, never really kicked on
Jayden Levitt: Another talented player who hasn't kicked on.
John Jackson: technically gifted, never kicked on, now playing club cricket.
Jack Kelliher: Probably one of the most naturally gifted batsmen you will see, somehow disappeared off the face of the earth.
Chris Tipper: Exceptional, nailed on pro, following a car accident now playing club cricket.
Digressing from the amateur game, some county pro's that IMO haven't fulfilled their potential:
Hick, Ramprakash, Chappel, Foster, Read, Karl Brown, Paul Horton.
Feel free to add comments
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Just a few I have played with / against over the years who haven't really kicked on (I play in the Liverpool Comp BTW)
Vishal Tripathi: exceptional talent, spent a year or so at Northants, never really kicked on
Vish currently back in my league (lancs league) playing for Burnley. alread nearly 700 runs for the season.
Still plays for unicorns but agree he shouldve gone further
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Brad Hodge falls in this category: 1 double century, 2 half centuries and a test average of 56. Dropped after 6 tests.
Didn't help hodge that ponting didn't like him or want him in the side.
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Vish currently back in my league (lancs league) playing for Burnley. alread nearly 700 runs for the season.
Still plays for unicorns but agree he shouldve gone further
Should of kicked on at a young age, was sent to work with terry jenner at 16 (if I recall correctly) quality player, probably over thinks his game
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Should of kicked on at a young age, was sent to work with terry jenner at 16 (if I recall correctly) quality player, probably over thinks his game
Highest scoring ametuer this season so far and that's ahead of David Brown (also at Burnley) who played 12 years county cricket.
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top effort, although I'm not convinced hes playing for free.... particularly if Chris Holt (who I have also played alongside) is club pro...... ;)
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You've played a bit of birmingham league then @tailender ??? Jayden Levitt is a class bat
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Yeah played a bit, from what I saw he was the stand out player, along with Fell who is now at Worcester I believe?
Speaking of Worcester, what has happened to Chris Russell is he still there?
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Yeah played a bit, from what I saw he was the stand out player, along with Fell who is now at Worcester I believe?
Speaking of Worcester, what has happened to Chris Russell is he still there?
Still there. Took 6 wickets for Wolverhampton at the weekend
Who did you play for?
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I didn't play for anyone in Birmingham, just played against some sides in Birmingham in cups and with Uni etc
Russell has some genuine pace! surprised he hasn't kicked on
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Adam Lyth :D
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Alex Tudor
Mark Davies
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Anyone remember Liptrott???
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Ian bell
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Shoaib Akhtar
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Don Bradman, should of averaged 100, mentally weak Aussy, just like all the rest.
Sydney Barnes, should have finished with a better test average.
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Ian bell
All of the English team bar Root
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All of the English team bar Root
Always if you are an England supporter!
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Michael Bevan in Test cricket. A FC average of nearly 60. Perhaps the greatest ODI batsman of all time. But in Test cricket he just couldn't play short pitched bowling. A man of his talent never scored a Test 100.
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Michael Bevan in Test cricket. A FC average of nearly 60. Perhaps the greatest ODI batsman of all time. But in Test cricket he just couldn't play short pitched bowling. A man of his talent never scored a Test 100.
I'd love to see what he could have done at T20 in his pomp.
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Suresh Raina at test level, especially after his ton on debut.
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I always thought highly of Ramps and Hick but both never did a lot at test level,
From an Aussie point of view I think Symonds should have done more
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Morne Morkel hasn't really lived up to his true potential. 6ft 6-7" bowls 150kph+ but has rarely been able to get out of Steyn's shadow.
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I guess one could argue that Hanse Cronje didn't live up to expectations :D
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Glenn Maxwell.....
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Glenn Maxwell.....
Did anyone have high expectations for him?
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Did anyone have high expectations for him?
His style of cricket means the most you can expect is 1 great innings out of ten.
Which means he pretty much lives up to expectation.
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Did anyone have high expectations for him?
He played test cricket. Lol
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He played test cricket. Lol
he he true, still not sure why.
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Have you seen his latest shot that he's been working on @skip1973 ? That stupid behind the back shot
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The most pointless shot I've ever witnessed, you'd never play it in a test match and the only delivery you could play it to would be called wide in any other cricket and to top it off it would be miles easier and miles more effective to just pull it!!
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Shaun marsh
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Shaun marsh
:D
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Before today I would've been tempted to say Bairstow.
Scoring tons for fun in FC and then getting a second baller. But today he showed a bit of class.
I am still going to shoot with my original, and now arch enemy, Adam Lyth
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Before today I would've been tempted to say Bairstow.
Scoring tons for fun in FC and then getting a second baller. But today he showed a bit of class.
I am still going to shoot with my original, and now arch enemy, Adam Lyth
To be fair to Ron Weasley if you received that delivery 2nd ball or when you were on 200 there's not a lot you could have done...
Even KP would've been in trouble, even though he's "batting as well as ever" ;)
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Was definitely a good ball he got!
It just appeared to smack of the old Bairstow, caught in the headlights.
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The whole of Australia's batting lineup today.... ???
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The whole of Australia's batting lineup today.... ???
That's a bit harsh on Hazlewood, he was not out :-)
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Yeah, and that guy, "extras" performed again too!
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Virat Kohli >:(
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Khawaja probably has to be up there on the list
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rikki clarke
Joe Denly
Matt Prior
Darren Maddy
Khawaja
Upul Tharanga - averaged 30 odd in tests felt like he could of done more
Umar Akmal
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I thought Prior exceeded the talent he had personally
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He had some very soft dismissals, thought his batting could of pushed on! Steven Davies possibly another one on that list