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General Cricket => World Cricket => Australia => Topic started by: uknsaunders on January 09, 2016, 06:39:57 PM
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Josh Gavin is keeping busy with bat making and repairs:-
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Anyone seen any JP Gavan bats?
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Brett Lee is using them on the television advertisements
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Anyone seen any JP Gavan bats?
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Absolute planks I believe
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Go well on the ads!
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Absolute planks I believe
Absolute rubbish. Mine are excellent.
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Absolute planks I believe
Rubbish comment..have you tried one yourself?
Have also tried one first hand and they are great bats..
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I've never looked at any JP Gavan bats before - it's quite refreshing looking at his website that he states his bats are pressed and handled in India and he finishes them.
Those bats are monsters.
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Am loving the fact that he has an autism awareness sticker on his bat. Top bloke
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Is it me or do the cracks look a bit wider than you would expect if it had been glued and clamped. I'm sure it's just the photo though or he didn't get time to do anything but a light sand.
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Those edges look stupidly square!
Good for the ego, but not for mis timing a new ball.
It's also a shame no one has measured the moisture content to see just how dry they are to get that ridiculous size
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At nearly 14lb i wouldnt say very dry. What amazes me most is the bat speed lynn can generate with this tree!
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I was also wondering how strong Chris Lynn must be to generate that kind of bat speed. I asked JPG today about the apparent crack in the toe and was assured that it was glued/filled and was given a full refurbishment.
It also had an "S" stamped on the shoulder.
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With all due respect what is he going to say.. " Nah I just done a dodgy refurb"
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I don't think there's any reason to believe that to be the case.
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With all due respect what is he going to say.. " Nah I just done a dodgy refurb"
To be honest some of the worst toe cracks I have seen have taken several goes to get properly sealed. He might of had only 24 hours with the bats. Possibly at best 2, maybe 3 goes with the glue/clamp/sand. Wasn't saying he had done a dodgy refurb at all, just the photo made the cracks look still open a touch.
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I wasn't saying he had done a dodgy job either. What I was getting at was that was he's not going to say anything but it's done properly... Maybe it sounded harsh
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Those edges look stupidly square!
Good for the ego, but not for mis timing a new ball.
It's also a shame no one has measured the moisture content to see just how dry they are to get that ridiculous size
2lb 13 oz's doesn't suggest it is overly dry
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2.13 is still not a lot for a bat that size.
But that's the point I was trying to make, if someone could measure the moisture, it would perhaps give a clearer picture as to how you get a bat that looks so thick , there's very little concaving and the blade doesn't appear to be shorter etc.
I've an old gray nicks 3lb bat that's half the thickness of those bats
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Khawaja's GN bat in tonight's BBL game doesn't look any smaller than Lynn's either.
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Even in the test matches Khawaja's bats looked immense
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I am biting my tongue massively here.
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Looks like one of my bats in truth lovely bats
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2.13 is still not a lot for a bat that size.
But that's the point I was trying to make, if someone could measure the moisture, it would perhaps give a clearer picture as to how you get a bat that looks so thick , there's very little concaving and the blade doesn't appear to be shorter etc.
I've an old gray nicks 3lb bat that's half the thickness of those bats
Pretty sure it said it was 3lb 13 not 2lb 13
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Pretty sure it said it was 3lb 13 not 2lb 13
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2lb12.5 it said, can you even imagine a 3lb13 bat?!
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2lb12.5 it said, can you even imagine a 3lb13 bat?!
Yep sorry you're right i must have been drunk or drunk when reading the scales...
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Absolute planks I believe
He was making bats for the Sri Lankan team during the world cup, making bats for a lot of the West Indies team too. His bats must go alright.
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He doesn't really "make" them (someone else glues in the handle, and presses the willow)...he just shapes what is given to him.
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He doesn't really "make" them (someone else glues in the handle, and presses the willow)...he just shapes what is given to him.
So he turns a handled pressed cleft into a usable bat (which is what I believe Julian Millichamp used to do), sounds like bat making to me...
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He doesn't really "make" them (someone else glues in the handle, and presses the willow)...he just shapes what is given to him.
I wouldn't call a cleft with a handle in it a bat, so it is made into one, hence batmaker. Just wondering this, wouldn't no one technically be bat maker as willow is a natural product so the bats are made by the earth. Everyone who 'makes' bats could be viewed as willow shaper's or pod shavers if they do it in the traditional way. Probably a silly point, but my brain is pondering this atm and I can't seem to articulate it very well at the moment.
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Either way, he's producing some good quality bats for quite a few locals and some of the bigger names in world cricket. Good on him.
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He was making bats for the Sri Lankan team during the world cup, making bats for a lot of the West Indies team too. His bats must go alright.
Making a bat for someone and getting a photo with them is very different to the player actually using it, or indeed that particular manufacturer being the players chosen batmaker.
Not intended as a negative towards jp gavan here as I don't really know anything about him, this applies more to batmakers/brands in general.
If I was an international cricketer constantly touring the world, you can bet i would visit as many places as possible to try a bat, whether picking up pre mades, having bats made from scratch or from part mades, I'd want to try as many as possible. So because a certain batmaker/brand made a bat for someone, doesn't automatically make it good, and doesn't automatically mean that player will even use it. Think of how many bats have been thrust into sachins hands over the years for a photo opportunity. They've all made a bat for Sachin yes, but that in itself doesn't really mean too much.
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He does most repairs for the state / international teams when in Sydney, so I'd say he is fairly skilled
Worth a look here http://www.jpgavan.com/bat-repairs (http://www.jpgavan.com/bat-repairs)
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I wouldn't call a cleft with a handle in it a bat, so it is made into one, hence batmaker. Just wondering this, wouldn't no one technically be bat maker as willow is a natural product so the bats are made by the earth. Everyone who 'makes' bats could be viewed as willow shaper's or pod shavers if they do it in the traditional way. Probably a silly point, but my brain is pondering this atm and I can't seem to articulate it very well at the moment.
my understanding of the bat making process is that the most important phases are the pressing and gluing of the handle. as that is what determines performance, ping, longevity (everything we care about).
everything else, a carpenter can do.
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But that's exactly what a pod shaver is; a skilled carpenter.
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my understanding of the bat making process is that the most important phases are the pressing and gluing of the handle. as that is what determines performance, ping, longevity (everything we care about).
everything else, a carpenter can do.
To be a carpenter you still require years of training
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To be a carpenter you still require years of training
Correct. Not sure what your point is.
Someone here said that JP Gavin makes "planks"...which is why I said what I said. As in, JP Gavin would have no control on whether his bats are planks or not (since it's the pressing , handling etc that would determine that).
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Thus he no doubt carefully chose his supplier. That would be part of his quality control, I'm guessing.
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For a guy who started making bats in 2012 .. I would say he has grown a lot ..
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I've seen a few floating around our competition and by all means they look to play well, stickers are also quite nice.
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To be a carpenter you still require years of training
You wouldn't go and see your local carpenter if you needed a new bat though would you ha. I agree tbh, there's a reason why when manufacturers sell pressed and handled clefts they're called 'pre-mades'.
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Sometimes it feels like no matter what anyone is trying to do there is someone on here trying to knock them down. I have never had a JP Gavan bat, atleast he is trying to shape them and not just sticker them up...
I am sure @Red Ink Cricket & @Beachcricket wouldn't mind me saying this but they are up there with the rest of them and they also started with pressed/glued clefts. You can't learn everything in one day, Julian was a mighty fine carpenter by that standard too then...
Good bats is pressing and shaping, if you overlook the willow itself, you mess one up and its not a good bat anymore.
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You wouldn't go and see your local carpenter if you needed a new bat though would you ha. I agree tbh, there's a reason why when manufacturers sell pressed and handled clefts they're called 'pre-mades'.
*part-mades
He still has to do the rest of it!
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*part-mades
He still has to do the rest of it!
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Oops yep. This is all true and I wouldn't want to knock anyone making bats in any form, but for me one of the big benefits of a small custom maker like many of the sponsors on here is the expertise of the guy producing your bat for you, and pressing/handling is one of the most important parts of that!
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Oh b.t.w... jpgavan does handle repairs and also does some of the handles on his featherblade x's and featherblades . So its not like he can't or wont do it. He is also the bat repairer at kingsgrove sports , so if youve bought a bat from there recently it was prepared and knocked in by him .
His suppliers seem pretty good re the partmades he gets from india . He told me that he has a new supplier for his oversize clefts ( maybe its for all his clefts now , not sure ). He said he is now getting his oversize clefts from England from a company that has a c.n.c machine . When i smiled as if i knew who it was he read my mind and said "no , it's not B3" ! In any case , looking at his instagram photos of some of his new clefts ,whoever it is , they look the goods . I might just have to get another featherblade soon .
Personally , i think he should make this type of thing better known ( ie him handling clefts , new english supplier etc ) as it might get him more respect/brownie points from the doubters out there .
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I'm sorry, but feather blade sounds at best like a competitor for durex, at worst a brand of female sanitary products.
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Yeah , fair enough . :D . But it's meant to refer to his low density clefts/bats , so knowing that then the name isn't so bad . Not much choice of other names to point towards a light weight cleft that i can think of ..... other than stating the obvious like 'light weight bat' etc
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As much as I want to support local Oz made brands I just can't get past the price for someone who's been making bats since 2014. Might as well get Stuart at GN to make something to spec.
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@Biggie Smalls - If i were JP, i would look at economies of scale. I would assume he is making somewhere between 50-200 bats a year. I have chatted with him a few times and my understanding is that he gets these done at his home - backyard/garage. Considering the fact that its a small scale operation i would say he is doing a pretty good job.
Most of the cricket playing public don't know much about pressing or cleft processing. They look for willow grade, ping and weight prior to purchase. CB forumites are a different story but i would assume we are just 1% of the cricketing folks. Remaining 99% is still a market for JP to attack !
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@dougydee - Agree .. JP's pricing is a little high. But i have tried one of his bats. It's pretty good and i would say very comparable to SS limited edition.
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@sanredrose ..... yeah your right , things will improve for jp with better economies of scale . Also , most people dont really care about pressing /cleft processing or if they do they have misinformation re what a good press is etc . So what youve summarised is a good description.
@dougydee ... i know what your saying . That was my first thought too . Its still very valid . His grade 1 6-9 grain bats for 400 bucks is good value in my mind . His grade 1+ 10+grain bats for 600 bucks is either average or slightly worse /better than average - debatable that one . His featherblades /low density players bats at 750 bucks and his featherblade x /low density oversize cleft players bats at 1000 bucks are both quite to very poor value . At least he's honest though and said to me that the featherblades are too expensive and he's working on ways to get the price down . If he did I'd think about buying quite a few more as opposed to maybe one more in the future . But as you said re may as well get stuart at g.n to make to spec etc ...thats why my next bat will be an xp80 - so my actions also back up your point there . But , i no longer care about his experience or lack thereof as ive seen the quality of workmanship, so my reasoning is purely financial.
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I think he is now using the press at kings grove to start pressing some of his own bats as well, as for the supplier of the oversized clefts who have a CNC I'm guessing he is talking about kippax
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I have knocked two JP Gavan bats. A featherblade prototype which was one of the first from the UK supplier and another which was from the Indian supplier. The featherblade performed excellently and was a firmer press and its knock time within normal parameters.
The other bat took me twice as long to knock and even then I had to tell the owner to take it easy on the play in. I then played a few games of LMS with that bloke and the bat went like a train scoring heavy each innings. both bats were 2.13 +. I passed on my feedback to Josh and he has since had the Indian sticks get an addition press after handling.
I have no problem with Josh's bats and know his customers are happy.
You can look up the photo albums of eachJP Gavan bat on my page.
https://www.facebook.com/MarcsCricketBatPrepInformation/photos/?tab=albums (https://www.facebook.com/MarcsCricketBatPrepInformation/photos/?tab=albums)
I cant afford to purchase all these amazing bats myself so knocking other people's bats is a pleasure.