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Companies => Custom companies => Laver & Wood => Topic started by: Shortpitch on April 18, 2016, 03:01:21 PM
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Anyone had a chance to get hold of a Laver Butterfly?
If so, can you let me know how is it?
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I have to say I don't think it is their strength, they are ok, but not in the same category as their normal bats, which are fantastic, also they take even longer to play in, probably 18 months to 2 years. Further for me the best maker of butterfly willow bats is Paul Aldred, they are sublime, and I would say of the many butterfly willow bats I have had. His are head and shoulders above the rest, and somehow for such hard timber play well from the beginning.
Hope that helps.
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Just to say they are still beautifully balanced, made and finished, like all L & W bats, but take a lot of patience and even then I still prefer the performance of the Aldred ones.
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Got yourself one of these instead mate, B&S butterfly that'll be a less than the price of a L&W and probably just as decent!!
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38281.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=38281.0)
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Thanks Bats_Galore,
I currently have 2 lavers, reserve and special reserve and also a butterfly from Aldred. I reside in US and I was looking for the cheapest option to have a bat as per my favorite profile. What you said is correct, Lavers take time to open up, currently I use my reserve as my match bat and I don't want to change it for any bat. Its that good. Will look for B&S like @Sivlar suggested or look at Laver Private bin as they reduced prices for this month.
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+1 on @Bats_Galore suggestion. Aldred butterfly definitely hold up very well. Join his FB group and you can reach out to him here on the forum as well. He always has some sort of deal in his FB group, you will definitely find a good deal there !
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Did anyone see the L&W Butterfly that was on their Facebook? Had the same issue of the toe being different widths as on a previous thread. Not convinced by them at the moment.
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@sanredrose
Already have butterfly from Aldred. Its great bat, but not getting enough confidence to use it in a match. have it for about 2 years now. So, placed an order for Laver butterfly (As been using lavers for 5 years now) for $300 including shipping which is way cheaper than any other butterfly from the forum out there. will post pics & review once I receive it.
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@Shortpitch - Sounds good. Update the thread with pics once you get the bat ...
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they have some pics on FB page
https://www.facebook.com/LaverandWood/ (https://www.facebook.com/LaverandWood/)
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Whilst a nice looking stick? £350 pounds for butterfly!!!
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350 GBP is insane ! I can get a B3 3-stripe at that price with bespoke design ...
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No mate, Its 300 us dollars that is 200 GBP including shipping to USA.
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Well it currently says 500 dollars on their Facebook page for the bat they are advertising, which comes in at £350...
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No mate, Its 300 us dollars that is 200 GBP including shipping to USA.
Check the post on FB ... I guess he is offering different price ranges as well ...
Here is a top grade Butterfly bat that went off to the UK this week. Stunning grains and the ultimate performance associated with the butterfly willow. This one sits at 2lbs12ozs in a SH/STD men's blade and classic profile. Price is US$500. Email inquiries to info@laverwood.co.nz. To get this bat, leave the order reference: BFY500.MAY in the comments box when ordering through the following link using a credit or debit card: https://www.laverwood.co.nz/ssl/placeorder3.php (https://www.laverwood.co.nz/ssl/placeorder3.php)
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You can have a focus butterfly for 170 pounds including shipping to the USA....
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@Vitas Cricket - Do u already have a thread for this Jake ? Can I see some pics ?
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We don't hold them in stock, they are made to order, here is one we did a while back
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=36610.msg580198#msg580198 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=36610.msg580198#msg580198)
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Yes, just got an email from James saying, this year they have 2 grades if butterfly. Just like they posted on FB.
@Jake.. Didn't know that you have focus butterfly for that price including shipping. My Aldred butterfly almost costed me around 200 pounds including shipping and also paypal comission. So, this time went with Laver. Next butterfly is from you jake...
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That is crazy money for a butterfly cleft, surely the willow merchants would sell it as grade 3 or 4, so that is a crazy price.
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Yes, just got an email from James saying, this year they have 2 grades if butterfly. Just like they posted on FB.
@Jake.. Didn't know that you have focus butterfly for that price including shipping. My Aldred butterfly almost costed me around 200 pounds including shipping and also paypal comission. So, this time went with Laver. Next butterfly is from you jake...
U really like butterfly bats don't you :-) I am still trying to get over the hard sound my Aldred butterfly makes.
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Yes JD :D,
Sound is perfectly OK with me, when there is a huge price difference and for the level of cricket we play here, Butterfly properly knocked in is more than enough.
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@Shortpitch where do you play mate?
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Did anyone see the L&W Butterfly that was on their Facebook? Had the same issue of the toe being different widths as on a previous thread. Not convinced by them at the moment.
that really does look like a big discrepancy!
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@Shortpitch where do you play mate?
USA mate. Mostly here we play on mats. No proper ground mate. Grass is not trimmed for most of the games. Pitch under the mat not cared properly.
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Whilst I still think that £350 pounds is a lot of money for any butterfly bat, on looking at the pictures on Facebook again, that has to be one of the best looking bats I have ever seen (toe not withstanding). There is something quite unique about it. Just hope it pings as well as it looks for that money.
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USA mate. Mostly here we play on mats. No proper ground mate. Grass is not trimmed for most of the games. Pitch under the mat not cared properly.
Also the cheap quality rock hard balls used in some local leagues.
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That is crazy money for a butterfly cleft, surely the willow merchants would sell it as grade 3 or 4, so that is a crazy price.
Have to agree this is crazy money for the lowest grade of willow there is.
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Finally, the Laver Butterfly arrived today. Little disappointed by the bat specs I received in couple of aspects, out of all the butterfly's I have seen this is the best one. The weight I asked for is 2.11 and the bat I received is around 2' 12 to 2'13 and feels bottom heavy specifically. Also asked for thicker handle and the bat I received has a handle like a toothpick. Haven't seen a handle that thin on a laver before. I guess need to put up around 3 grips all together to get the desired thickness and also to get the lighter feel. Haven't checked the Edge size and Spine numbers yet, but here are the pics for judgement.
Here are more details regarding the bat:
Weight expected was 2.11 but turns out to be 2 lb 12.1 ounces with single grip. Current bat I am using is about 2lb 10.1 ounces. so, feels a bit heavy, but I feel that there is lot more wood in the bat for 2 more ounces. That is the reason for me to keep the bat rather returning it.
Edges 39 mm both sides
Spines at the highest point is 65 mm.
By default expected a round toe, so din't mention it during the order but turned out to be a square toe and look decent to me.
The toe size is exactly 30.1 mm, Even though the toe is wonky a bit, i measured the toe in the middle of the bat where it looked uniform.
(http://i1094.photobucket.com/albums/i443/srikanthmantha/IMG_20160509_160720.jpg) (http://s1094.photobucket.com/user/srikanthmantha/media/IMG_20160509_160720.jpg.html)
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Another wonky toe? Looks a lovely bit of willow but a slightly underwhelming bat for 2.12
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that's it for me, now ruling out Lavers
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Contact Laver if you're unhappy - they're usually very good.
Size is down to density and I guess butterfly wood is heavy.
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Whilst I still think that £350 pounds is a lot of money for any butterfly bat, on looking at the pictures on Facebook again, that has to be one of the best looking bats I have ever seen (toe not withstanding). There is something quite unique about it. Just hope it pings as well as it looks for that money.
Given how much a butterfly costs from Hunts, this is extortionate.
Having said that, if you've paid that much and you're not happy, the first place you should complain is to the manufacturer directly and not on a cricket bat forum.
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Contact Laver if you're unhappy - they're usually very good.
Size is down to density and I guess butterfly wood is heavy.
since I just received it yesterday, I am still thinking whether to keep it or talk back to Laver as I Like the way bat is tapping up also feels like it has lot of wood.
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Given how much a butterfly costs from Hunts, this is extortionate.
Having said that, if you've paid that much and you're not happy, the first place you should complain is to the manufacturer directly and not on a cricket bat forum.
first off, I never said I paid 350 pounds for a butterfly, always said that it was 300 USD that's about 190 to 200 GBP. Secondly, all I said is how the manufacturer missed the mark in couple of aspects. If I am unhappy about the bat, manufacturer would have been the first person who would get my call even before the pics goes up. Nextly, I have decided to keep the bat as its tapping up beautifully and its the best butterfly I have seen . Sorry that many guys have taken the review as complaint as I was just stating couple issues with Laver's as there are too many complaints coming off about them these days.
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@Shortpitch ,with 2 additional grips it will be atleast 2 Oz above u r specs! are you still keeping it?
I can understand if some like OLS did this but, for LW...its a !!!!job. I wonder who will foot the return shipping bill if you decide to send it back.
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Maybe worth waiting if you want a Butterfly as B3 might have a butterfly offer coming soon.
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@Shortpitch ,with 2 additional grips it will be atleast 2 Oz above u r specs! are you still keeping it?
I can understand if some like OLS did this but, for LW...its a !!!!job. I wonder who will foot the return shipping bill if you decide to send it back.
@kaartman I did put 3 grips yesterday and it feels a lot better. I decided to keep it as bat is responding amazingly. I did talk to James and he offered to exchange with shipping costs on me. But I decided to keep it as its one of the best responding bats i had my hands on. Will take it to practice tomorrow and will update how it does. Also true that standards from laver are not as they used to be.
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@kaartman I did put 3 grips yesterday and it feels a lot better. I decided to keep it as bat is responding amazingly. I did talk to James and he offered to exchange with shipping costs on me. But I decided to keep it as its one of the best responding bats i had my hands on. Will take it to practice tomorrow and will update how it does. Also true that standards from laver are not as they used to be.
So they make a mistake, and get the specs wrong...but the customer has to pay the price? That is not good.
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Another wonky toe? Looks a lovely bit of willow but a slightly underwhelming bat for 2.12
Yeah, I noticed it as soon as I received it, but Its a non issue for me as I also checked my reserve(After a forum member mentioned here recently) which is 4 year old and have the same wonky toe and goes like a gun. For 2.12, In actual I feel like it has lot of willow. will update edge and spine size shortly.
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well overall if your happy then thats the main thing thats counts. i can see the attraction of why you want one of these and even with all the little things.. it kind of makes the experience more organic.
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well overall if your happy then thats the main thing thats counts. i can see the attraction of why you want one of these and even with all the little things.. it kind of makes the experience more organic.
@Boondougal, Precisely. Even with all these minor discrepancies, In my cases, Laver is the best bat manufacturer to deal with. Especially, when you compare to dealing with cricket retailers here in USA. So, I might be little partial towards them, but that's purely my case. I could be completely wrong with other forum members deals with Laver.
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Another wonky toe? Looks a lovely bit of willow but a slightly underwhelming bat for 2.12
This is quite consistent across all their bats. That one side of the toe is higher. Its on every L&W bat I've seen.
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To be honest I couldn't care less if the toe isn't even, if it doesn't affect performance (very unlikely) or balance (Lavers are usually incredibly balance) what does it matter.
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This is quite consistent across all their bats. That one side of the toe is higher. Its on every L&W bat I've seen.
It's fairly typical on most hand made bats, with varying margins for error. It typically depends on the handedness of the batmaker.
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Considering Warner rep is 2.13 ahahahahaha unlucky