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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Vitas Cricket on October 14, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
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OK, bear with me. Many of you may have seen my thoughts on Shrey helmets, but as they are scattered across various topics in the forum it may not be clear, concise or easy to follow. Some of my previous posts can be found below.
Please do be aware of the pitfalls with Shrey. We are not stocking them due to build quality issues. The plastic grille mounts connecting the grille to the shell are made of the same stuff as your average smoke alarm. I've seen plenty of shrey helmets recently that are cracked in this area straight out the box. Some to the point of impacting on the mounting of the grille and therefore the integrity of the entire helmet
Firstly good to hear he is OK, the Masuri helmet (data correct last time I saw it) has the best rating when it comes to concussion testing so he was in safe hands with their hemet.
If it is a weight issue then Masuri are about to release a new single shell model, which is on a par with Shrey and others (GM, GN etc) in terms of being less protective than their twin shell Vision Series models, but it will be lighter just like a Shrey. It has the advantage of actually being well built, and entirely UK made, and will be a very comparable price to the Shrey helmets.
With all of the above in mind, I can't see a Shrey made overseas at a fraction of the cost warranting the same price for lesser quality.
When it comes to cricket brands, i would never let my personal thoughts impact on variety/selection of product for customers to choose from. As an example i personally have never really liked the GM Icon/Paragon shape, there are many people out there though who absolutely love it, i can't allow my personal feeling to potentially stop someone buying the bat that is right for them.
When it comes to safety products, SAFETY is our only concern. We simply will not sell something that we feel is not up to scratch. I have absolutely zero faith in the Shrey helmet having now seen over 25 of them in person. I don't care that it is lighter, or arguably better looking than a Masuri Vision series. If these are the arguments for a Shrey then as i touched on in one of the quotes above, Masuri are about to launch the Original Test model in steel and Ti that will be as light as a Shrey and traditional looking like a Shrey. Crucially it will be well built, and considering it is entirely UK made really does beg the question whether Shrey helmets produced overseas are worth their hefty price tags?
I must stress that every single Shrey i have seen had some form of defect in the crucial area that mounts the grille to the shell. These are not isolated incidents, as you will see below members on CBF have had the same experience, including one member who works at a major Australian retailer that returned their entire Shrey order for this very issue. Many of these helmets are brand new out the box with customers coming to us for a net to get used to their new lid, it is not a case of wear and tear causing this damage.
I had two of these. On the first one the plastic where the grill mounts to the helmet had cracked clean through from top to bottom without even being struck. I couldn't get a replacement from the original stockist so ordered one from another supplier and this one was much worse. Numerous cracks in the plastic mounts on both sides and even looked as though the plastic had been spot melted to repair some of the cracks. Returned it and went back to Masuri.
Such a shame as I really liked the fit and feel of the helmet but the build quality was poor on the two I had.
This was the second one I had:
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We sent all ours back with same issue.
I definitely see that looking at mine, I suppose an advantage of the masuri is that the grille is essentially bolted to the halo system so shows the difference in build quality.
I HAVE DECIDED TO USE THIS TOPIC TO START DOCUMENTING THE SHREY HELMETS I COME ACROSS
I'm sure i'll come across the odd example with no problems, of course i'll document those too. But really when it comes to a safety product, you need to have 100% (or as near as you can get) consistency when it comes to product construction, not a few good batches here and there mixed in with loads of rushed, substandard garbage.
Some keys things to look out for if you want to join in.
1. Every Shrey i have seen so far has an issue in the plastic area that mounts the grill to the shell. The principle reason for this is a poorly executed copy of Masuris grille mount design, using a substandard plastic (same as used to make smoke alarms, tv remote casings etc) to presumably save on costs rather than produce something thats as good as it can be. Many are cracked fresh out the box, often in multiple places. Some have obviously been identified prior to dispatch and rather than be withdrawn, have been crudely 'repaired' by melting the plastic back together. Some have cracked so severely that the crack extends into the shell itself, compromising the entire structure of the helmet.
2. Relates to the above slightly but refers more to the new helmet safety test. Due to the plastic discussed above cracking so readily, Shreys solution to get through the safety test (which examines if any debris falls onto a white sheet below the test rig. Any debris = instant fail) was not to address the problem of cracking, but to add a lip of cloth around the mounts to catch the debris, i've heard the debris rattling inside the helmet on occasion.
3. On 3 occasions i have come across a Shrey that doesn't even have the grille welded/mounted into the correct place. I'm sure these are rare occurrences as you've got to really not give two hoots about your products or be having a really bad day to let that slip through the net. Nonetheless i'm yet to see a Masuri with this issue, and Masuri are after all the brand Shrey are so keen to be compared to. Keep an eye out for this, it not only looks poor, but it is incredibly dangerous.
Lets begin with the helmet of county U15 player who in less than a week is going to SA on a tour with Huntingdonshire. He was in for a net today and both he and his mother were shocked and also extremely worried at the condition of his Shrey helmet when i pointed out where to look. Not only is the grille mount cracked in multiple places, but the cracking has extended through the shell of the helmet itself as you can see. This helmet was incredibly easy for me to bend and flex into some really interesting shapes, wouldn't like to see it put under the stress of a hard ball impact with a childs head inside.
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I'll update the topic as and when i come across more, feel free to post your own findings in the meantime, or ask any questions, make points etc. I note we haven't heard from our Australian friend who was so pro Shrey a year or so ago, forgive me i've forgotten his name. Maybe someone can nudge him and let him defend the brand he declares to be market leading.
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@Vic Nicholas
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Yeesh, that really has put me off Shrey. Good post Jake, the cracking on that last helmet is shocking. Looks like a design issue more than anything else to me, appears that the grille bolts are threaded directly into the shell/mount.
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Thanks for this post Jake @Vitas Cricket , I was looking to get an Ayrtek helmet as mine currently rattles when I run....im guessing its cracked even though i have never been hit in the helmet!!
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That's dark ages in regards to quality and design
Beggars belief they can be legally sold?
I suppose it will take a fatality to highlight their shortcomings
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I have had no issue with mine and there are lots of people using them..
Good enough more lots of England players and county players.
I know plenty of people who really rate the shrey I personally like mine lighter and I believe scored as high as mauri on the safety tests.
But there bin lids so my knowledge is limited.
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Thanks for this post Jake @Vitas Cricket , I was looking to get an Ayrtek helmet as mine currently rattles when I run....im guessing its cracked even though i have never been hit in the helmet!!
We are very pro ayrtek too and will be stocking them again soon enough.
Does yours have the ACIS liner with the pump? Mine had a small rattle, sent to Tom for a refurb and paint job, rattle gone.
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@WalkingWicket37 - yeah you can keep that lid ;) haha
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I have had no issue with mine and there are lots of people using them..
Good enough more lots of England players and county players.
I know plenty of people who really rate the shrey I personally like mine lighter and I believe scored as high as mauri on the safety tests.
But there bin lids so my knowledge is limited.
In the interest of parity, I'd suggest those with well made shreys that they are happy with put pictures up to show they aren't all as bad as the ones shown.
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We are very pro ayrtek too and will be stocking them again soon enough.
Does yours have the ACIS liner with the pump? Mine had a small rattle, sent to Tom for a refurb and paint job, rattle gone.
Not sure if he means he has an Ayrtek that rattles or is looking for one due to his existing helmet rattling?
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Good thread Jake!
As a parent, I wouldn't be happy if I'd bought some safety equipment to find out that the build quality was so bad. I fancied a shrey over a Masuri but after seeing the stuff that you have posted I wouldn't buy one.
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Not as issue will do when I get a minute there a new shrey coming out I have seen.
I'm not fussed either way I have a masuri too done my comparison it all down to preference.
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We are very pro ayrtek too and will be stocking them again soon enough.
Does yours have the ACIS liner with the pump? Mine had a small rattle, sent to Tom for a refurb and paint job, rattle gone.
No, I have a shrey currently. Tom has put aside a maroon ti which is on sale.
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No cracks all grille ends rounded off and attached to metal plate and all tidy...
no issue at all but I also like my masuri
colour may offend some mind
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No, I have a shrey currently. Tom has put aside a maroon ti which is on sale.
Not sure if he means he has an Ayrtek that rattles or is looking for one due to his existing helmet rattling?
Yes sorry, i misread it. Welcome to the Ayrtek club, i have a lovely carbon fibre ACIS model :)
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I have had no issue with mine and there are lots of people using them..
Good enough more lots of England players and county players.
I know plenty of people who really rate the shrey I personally like mine lighter and I believe scored as high as mauri on the safety tests.
But there bin lids so my knowledge is limited.
Safety test scores regarding concussion, Shrey gets nowhere near Masuri Vision Series. I cannot recall the units but its something like newtons per square inch, the allowed limit is 150. Masuri (last time i saw the data) is the only helmet with a sub 100 reading, Shrey is somewhere around the high 130's. Masuri are unhappy with their own numbers after Morgan suffered a minor concussion, hence the devlopment of their Poron XRD pro foams for added impact protection. Seen on the heads of many pros recently, look for the yellow ring under the peak that you can just about see on Billings helmet here.
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I'm glad your helmet is OK, but please check under the ear foam where it meets the palstic, thats where i find most of the horrors.
Regarding what you've said about pro players. I suspect most have gone to Shrey for either the weight, or the money, or both. Some of course may simply prefer the fit of a Shrey. At the elite level the fitting issues will soon be non existent. Masuri have just developed 3D lazer head scanning technology to accurately map a players head and then build a helmet to shape to it perfectly. Morgan is currently wearing one after being the first head to be scanned in the Summer.
Regarding weight. The new Original Test helmets i have mentioned are about to launch. And will address all the problems that players have raised with the Vision Series regarding weight and looks, but unlike Shrey will actually be well built.
That leaves (in my opinion) the over riding reason for any professional to stick with Shrey as $$$$
I know you have mentioned in the past that you think Masuri pay players. All i can go in is the information they state both publicly and to trade customers, which is they do not pay any player to wear their product. Whether its true or not who knows. If they do pay then in my opinion it is obvious Shrey are paying more to certain pros, as there are fewer and fewer reasons to wear a Shrey aside from the cash.
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Safety test scores regarding concussion, Shrey gets nowhere near Masuri Vision Series. I cannot recall the units but its something like newtons per square inch, the allowed limit is 150. Masuri (last time i saw the data) is the only helmet with a sub 100 reading, Shrey is somewhere around the high 130's. Masuri are unhappy with their own numbers after Morgan suffered a minor concussion, hence the devlopment of their Poron XRD pro foams for added impact protection. Seen on the heads of many pros recently, look for the yellow ring under the peak that you can just about see on Billings helmet here.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CulNJbtXgAAg3nN.jpg)
I'm glad your helmet is OK, but please check under the ear foam where it meets the palstic, thats where i find most of the horrors.
Regarding what you've said about pro players. I suspect most have gone to Shrey for either the weight, or the money, or both. Some of course may simply prefer the fit of a Shrey. At the elite level the fitting issues will soon be non existent. Masuri have just developed 3D lazer head scanning technology to accurately map a players head and then build a helmet to shape to it perfectly. Morgan is currently wearing one after being the first head to be scanned in the Summer.
Regarding weight. The new Original Test helmets i have mentioned are about to launch. And will address all the problems that players have raised with the Vision Series regarding weight and looks, but unlike Shrey will actually be well built.
That leaves (in my opinion) the over riding reason for any professional to stick with Shrey as $$$$
I know you have mentioned in the past that you think Masuri pay players. All i can go in is the information they state both publicly and to trade customers, which is they do not pay any player to wear their product. Whether its true or not who knows. If they do pay then in my opinion it is obvious Shrey are paying more to certain pros, as there are fewer and fewer reasons to wear a Shrey aside from the cash.
They did and do pay. But lets be honest so do so many..
Bit like willow if you have the money I guess..
I was told Shrey scored as well as Masuri on most tests but then again I can not verify it. I have pulled back the cloth no cracks and stuff.
I like both my shrey and masuri I would recommend both
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Funny to see this thread as I just received a Masterclass Air Titanium today and was going to add this to my helmet search thread.
@DorsetDan I can't say i'm surprised to see what you ahve received, i'm jsut glad you have noticed so early and don't end up finding out once you have worn it and got used to it, or worse you find out in a serious way during a match.
Shrey are Masuris old manufacturer from a time before Masuri chose to have all helmets made in the UK. One of their main reasons for doing so was the more minor issues you have highlighted, batches of helmets arriving with poorly applied cloth, or dirty/oily handling marks, roughly finished grilles etc. They were rejecting an awful lot of ordered stock on arrivial into the UK and decided enough was enough. Masuri grilles are now made over the road from us in Peterborough in one of the cleanest, most impressive industrial units i've ever seen. The rest of the production is handled by Masuri in Hampshire.
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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.
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They did and do pay. But lets be honest so do so many..
Bit like willow if you have the money I guess..
I was told Shrey scored as well as Masuri on most tests but then again I can not verify it. I have pulled back the cloth no cracks and stuff.
I like both my shrey and masuri I would recommend both
Of course, most of us will never be privy to waht really goes on, i'm in agreement there.
I technically still wear a Shrey in the sense that i keep in an old Masuri WK helmet. They are capable of a quality product, it seems they have unfortunately chosen to bodge and scrimp rather than embrace the new age of safety and build quality pioneered by Masuri and Ayrtek.
Its simple enough to see without knowing test results that when it comes to shell impacts, Masuri Vision Series twin shell helmets will always do better than a single shell helmet, single shells being every other helmet on the market.
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I had originally masuris, 3 off, and majority off my club had them. Many came from sports direct.
I will be honest and say I never rated them for build quality finishing, many were bumpy and had badly fitted cloth. And I've seen a few titanium welds go in bags and need replacements.
I also always found the grill and screws were always at strange angles and nothing ever fitted flush.
As an engineer it annoyed me profusley.
I presume these issues may be why shrey were ditched by masuri for manufacturing. But who knows
I switched to ayrtek, and am now on my 4th? I think, and as soon as tom releases a new carbon one with the solid liner I'll get a fifth!
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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.
Maybe i recalled the numbers wrong, but there was definitely a big jump between the twin shell Vision Series and all the other single shells. When did the ACIS go on the machine mate? I had no doubts it would fare incredibly well but at the time when i discussed it, the Ayrtek numbers weren't there, either not available or you hadnt yet gone through the process. Looking forward to seeing the relaunched range in full :)
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Maybe i recalled the numbers wrong, but there was definitely a big jump between the twin shell Vision Series and all the other single shells. When did the ACIS go on the machine mate? I had no doubts it would fare incredibly well but at the time when i discussed it, the Ayrtek numbers weren't there, either not available or you hadnt yet gone through the process. Looking forward to seeing the relaunched range in full :)
A.C.I.S was done at BSI lab in Hemel back in 2010/11 in Carbon fibre helmets as well as "Plastic" versions on drop test ratings under 1998 standard which remain the same as the new one all be it you only have 1 impact per sight now instead of 2 back then. The results are deemed confidential as we purchased 6 of each competitor brand and paid for them to be tested so we could discover where we ranked in comparison at the time to them.
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May have to get a new Ayrtek tom complete the collection nothing wrong with my Warwickshire one I got off thee...
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I think the scariest thing on the helmet I received is the apparent attempts to weld/ glue a cracked bit of shell + grill attachment. That is far worse than a bit of a poor design or poor finishing which suggests they are happy to bodge them out however they can. I'm glad I saw the threads on here to at least check first, as you say @Vitas Cricket
Does the safety test data ever get published? Could one, for example check if the GM Purist I am comfortable with is in line with the safety of the upper end of single shell helmets (hopefully that is a vague enough question for a one word answer or PM :) )
To my knowledge the data is not public. A brand I suppose could choose to publish their own data, but it would be fairly useless without other brands to compare to.
Whether it is right or wrong to want data made available is another debate, what i would like is a bit more clarity from the ECB regarding the whole thing. This is all they have done: https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/79227 (https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/79227)
A fairly useless few paragraphs followed by a list of compliant models.
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It's like a driving test....a pass is a pass doesn't matter if you get 0 minors or 12 (if that's the limit??) you still get a certificate if you pass allowing you to sell them as certified.
It doesn't say on your licence how many minors you got 🤔
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The max allowance is 250 kilo newtons +/-5%....FYI all of ours on the PremierTek range are sub 55Kn....Our A.C.I.S model was recording levels below what the machine was calibrated to record 20>KN.
What are those numbers measurements of Tom, transmitted force to the headform?
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Yes Ed, there are sensors (tri-axial accelerometers) on the headform measuring the force transmitted through the helmet to them I believe.
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I thought mine was OK. I'll check it tomorrow to make sure.
No rattles or obvious signs of "Shonkiness". Much cheaper than the Masuri as well (PDC Black Friday 2015 pricing)
Still, would be nice for me to confirm in my own mind that it's a good lid. Let you know tomorrow.
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Cheers @Ayrtek Cricket , always interesting to know! <20
knG transmitted from that impact is bloody impressive, fair play.
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@edge 20kN is not impressive at all ;) A 100kg person jumping on your head is ~5kN force. I think the units should be "g", not "kN" since accelerometers were mentioned and 300g is a traditional benchmark thought to introduce permanent brain injury I believe (thinking back to some bicycle helmet tests I saw)
Custom Bats Forum.
"Come for the bats, stay for the science"
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Yes sorry my bad...trying to juggle a 1 year old, read a PDF and type led to an error it's as per below:-
"the peak acceleration shall not exceed 250 gn.
NOTE The symbol gn signifies a deceleration of 9.81m/s2"
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I even bore myself sometimes...
... anything to forget how disappointing the helmet I received was I suppose ;) :)
I thought it was interesting! I really did!
Sorry you didn't get a good lid though. Assume you can return?
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Oops... I was confused, worked on the assumption you meant G not kN and then typed kN myself... d'oh night shift brain. @DorsetDan you're not wrong, 20kN would be approx the total impact force of the ball at test speeds.
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This is a friggin awesome thread , good posts by all . Glad i have 2 masuris and my new fave ....adidas adizero /ayrtek. I will definitely buy another titanium/carbon ayrtek as soon as they are released. Ive made some cricket purchases i regret but I'm glad a Shrey helmet isn't one of them - particularly after today's innings . I hooked a bouncer for four , next ball was same delivery but ball stuck in the pitch a bit and the ball glanced off the back of the bat flush onto my helmet . Times like these you want to trust your safety gear is up to scratch .
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I thought mine was OK. I'll check it tomorrow to make sure.
No rattles or obvious signs of "Shonkiness". Much cheaper than the Masuri as well (PDC Black Friday 2015 pricing)
Still, would be nice for me to confirm in my own mind that it's a good lid. Let you know tomorrow.
Update: Nope, absoloutly rock solid. No cracks, cloth fits nicely everywhere including under the peak... no complaints.
I notice that most (if not all) of the broken ones are Ti... mines steel, coincidence?
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Update: Nope, absoloutly rock solid. No cracks, cloth fits nicely everywhere including under the peak... no complaints.
I notice that most (if not all) of the broken ones are Ti... mines steel, coincidence?
The picture of the young lads helmet in my opening post is steel
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Ah.
Thought it might have been a problem fixing Ti grill's to the shell that caused the cracking. Seems not. Guess I just got lucky?
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Prob more relevant to check the batch number and production date on them as it should be listed on the sticker/label inside of the helmet as part of the BSI standard requirements.
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Prob more relevant to check the batch number and production date on them as it should be listed on the sticker/label inside of the helmet as part of the BSI standard requirements.
Interesting. Again, will check tomorrow and report back.
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They also had a horrible petrol smell in many - due to the adhesive they use.
Masuri all the way for me, and with the new ranges to come out, the USP of Shrey seems to be being taken away. Can only see them fading from here!
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Regarding weight. The new Original Test helmets i have mentioned are about to launch. And will address all the problems that players have raised with the Vision Series regarding weight and looks, but unlike Shrey will actually be well built.
Any ideas on the launch date for these jake?
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Any ideas on the launch date for these jake?
Pre Christmas is as specific as I can be currently.
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A few questions, after reading most of the posts on this topic:
1. Did or did not Shrey pass the new British Standards test? That is what they claim.
2. Does it mean that the body which passed these helmets under the new British Safety standards made some sort of compromise and passed a sub-standard product?
3. If there are safety issues with these helmets, how come ECB have permitted use of these helmets in the UK?
4. Does it mean that the professionals who use these helmets are compromising their safety for whatever extra they are receiving from this manufacturer? They should be, if we go by the posts on this topic so far.
There are a few on the Forum who know or claim to know professional players at different levels & and other decision makers. Perhaps they can shed some light on this?
Perhaps this would be of interest too:
https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets (https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets)
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Also are we talking about every model of the Shrey or are these "faults" limited to certain ranges?... I only ask this as it was stated originally that "Every Shrey helmet"
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I don't see that anybody's said the shrey wouldn't pass the BSI test. To paraphrase earlier posts, the 1998 standard for absolute impact protection of the shell (effectively unchanged by the 2013 standard) set a pretty low bar which all current helmets pass by a long way. The results show (to be expected though given their different construction methods) that the impact protection of Masuri VS and Ayrtek is quite a bit better than shrey. If you're going to face 90 mph bowling this could be critical to you. The evidence here shows, worryingly, that shrey quality control standards are poor and possibly some of the damage shown in these pictures could even compromise the shell's impact protection results - whether they'd fail the BSI test who knows? That said, clearly not all shreys have these issues - my Masterclass Air doesn't and of those helmets available at the time it was, for me, the best for comfort and visibility - so the quality let out of the factory seems to be very variable. I think one of the lessons here is that, to anyone thinking of getting a shrey, check it carefully before you accept it.
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Something that hasn't been mentioned at all so far is what packaging is inside the box? Could the shreys have been damaged in transit somehow where as the masuri is better protected?
This coming form someone who uses an old masuri but is looking at a new lid next season!
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I'm not saying it happens, but if one were to put a product up for testing then I imagine it is possible to hand pick the samples so passing and manufacturing quality aren't necessarily the same thing. All standards also tend to set a pretty low requirements as they are a balance of ensuring safety/ standards but not setting requirements too high so as to place barriers to entering a market. I also wouldn't necessarily expect a governing body to be in touch with every fine detail nor pros be a good guide as to what is safe in or a good product in any sport or area. I guess what I'm trying to say is don't assume a Standard to be the be all and end all and not all products meeting a Standard may be equal. All I know is this forum gave me some visual checks when buying a Shrey and it wasn't up to scratch.
As an aside, I wonder what the test ball mass and speed is to work out impact force of the test scenario without a helmet. How low is the 250g pass rate for example?
You don't want to be hit in the head without a helmet
One of the worst I've seen, was a ball clipping the side of a batters head
The seam did some horrendous damage to the batters head.
And that wasn't a direct hit
Buy the best you can afford, with the highest quality and safety standards possible.
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Testing is a 5.2oz ball of 73mm diameter at 67mph from short range I believe, meant to be the equivalent of an 80mph bouncer from the hand. To put 250g in perspective, 120g is enough to give a pretty good concussion if I remember right.
As others have said, the Shrey test lids definitely won't have had cracks in them! So if you've got one that's aok, I'm sure it's up to the job. What make me uneasy is how much the cracks will affect the safety, you don't know.
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I have received mine yesterday from PDC, will check and post my feedback asap.
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Something that hasn't been mentioned at all so far is what packaging is inside the box? Could the shreys have been damaged in transit somehow where as the masuri is better protected?
This coming form someone who uses an old masuri but is looking at a new lid next season!
Good point. For Shrey, mine just came in the box with the swoppa'a in a small plastic bag. Can't remember whether the helmet was in the cloth/mesh bag or not when it was unboxed but I doubt it would offer any protection to the helmet at all even if it was in the bag.
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A few questions, after reading most of the posts on this topic:
1. Did or did not Shrey pass the new British Standards test? That is what they claim.
2. Does it mean that the body which passed these helmets under the new British Safety standards made some sort of compromise and passed a sub-standard product?
3. If there are safety issues with these helmets, how come ECB have permitted use of these helmets in the UK?
4. Does it mean that the professionals who use these helmets are compromising their safety for whatever extra they are receiving from this manufacturer? They should be, if we go by the posts on this topic so far.
There are a few on the Forum who know or claim to know professional players at different levels & and other decision makers. Perhaps they can shed some light on this?
Perhaps this would be of interest too:
[url]https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets[/url] ([url]https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets[/url])
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The testing is not ongoing. Once you have a model that passes it is not randomly checked in the way an athlete can be randomly selected for drug testing for example. Masuri voluntarily send their helmets to be batch tested every few weeks. In theory if I wanted to I could produce a helmet to pass the test, once certified I could then choose to make the helmet out of paper mache, I'm sure at some point I would be caught but hopefully you see my point?
Pros shouldn't be relied on as a guide to what's safe and what isn't.
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@alexhilly1492 shrey and masuri are both shipped in similar cardboard boxes, very little difference in protection levels during shipping.
@Number4 my statement was every shrey I have seen, which is nearly 30 now.
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Had nets today, had a look at a couple of Shrey helmets. Very ropey quality, I'll stick with Masuri thanks.
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@Vitas Cricket What I was trying to determine Jake was it all models or only certain models
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@Vitas Cricket What I was trying to determine Jake was it all models or only certain models
From what I've seen it's been across steel and ti grilles, not familiar with the full range and how many models there are though
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Just gave my newly received (can't say it is of a recent batch, label says batch 03/2015 - bought from PDC on offer at GBP 117/- less UK VAT, received last Saturday) Master Class Air Titanium helmet a reasonably thorough check. Could not find anything comparable to the photos in the original or subsequent posts and no stickers floating around in the box. Perhaps got lucky or got one from a batch that did not have the reported issues.
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There has to be a fairly serious reason why Masuri would shift production from a seriously low cost country back to U.K.
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There has to be a fairly serious reason why Masuri would shift production from a seriously low cost country back to U.K.
There could be, but I doubt someone in the know will be willing to provide reliable information.
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Only a reasonably basic picture so far, actual images of products will follow as they arrive in stock, but heres the Masuri alternative i think many of those considering Shrey will appreciate.
(http://i.imgur.com/pGWTTjVh.jpg)
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There could be, but I doubt someone in the know will be willing to provide reliable information.
Quality and safety, who turns down a cheap job well done?
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Only a reasonably basic picture so far, actual images of products will follow as they arrive in stock, but heres the Masuri alternative i think many of those considering Shrey will appreciate.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/pGWTTjVh.jpg[/url])
Any ideas on the price Jake?
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Any ideas on the price Jake?
Our prices will be be as below, only approx at this stage but i'm not expecting much of a change.
Ti £150
Steel £90
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£90? Cracking value.
Will my replace my Death Trap, I mean Shrey, when it gets a bit funky.
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Only a reasonably basic picture so far, actual images of products will follow as they arrive in stock, but heres the Masuri alternative i think many of those considering Shrey will appreciate.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/pGWTTjVh.jpg[/url])
Jake, when are they due for sale?
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Another item on the list of things I wasn't going to buy over the winter......
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Jake, when are they due for sale?
Hopefully at some point next month :)
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Looked at 2 Shrey Pro-Guard's in Serious Cricket today, and neither of them had any cracking in the areas outlined in previous posts.
Both looked and felt well made
I know they aren't the same models as the helmets in previous posts, but you would think that it there is a problem if wouldn't be isolated to just 1 model
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My club has about 25 or so Shrey users . I am trying to slowly work my way through sussing out as many lids as possible .
So far .....
3 x titanium masterclass air . 2 with visible cracking , 1 without .
2 x steel pro guard . 1 with the worst cracking ive ever seen . 1 without .
1 x steel performance. No cracking but the owner says he can hear something rattling around in the lid . Also the grille looks a little asymmetrical / wonky . The owner reckons he noticed this before ever using it , but it doesn't bother him .
So far 6 helmets , 4 with issues.....not looking good so far .
I must say , when you see these cracks in photos it doesn't do it justice - in real life it looks a bit scary .
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Wonder what their UK distributor has to say as many of these helmets must have gone to the retailers through them. Let us hope all these comments will compel them to improve their QC processes.
Looked at 2 Shrey Pro-Guard's in Serious Cricket today, and neither of them had any cracking in the areas outlined in previous posts.
Both looked and felt well made
I know they aren't the same models as the helmets in previous posts, but you would think that it there is a problem if wouldn't be isolated to just 1 model
Or, they have already recognized the issue.
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We sent a lot back last season.
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I had the Masuri Vision elite Ti but found it heavy and didn't like the tightening functions.
I sold it and went for a Shrey Masterclass air Ti. When I opened the box the weld was already broken where the front bars attach to the side or the grille.
I sent it back and swapped it for another.
The build is very shabby, the stickers peeled off after about 3 uses and so did the strap cover on the back of the helmet.
I haven't checked for the cracked areas mentioned previously, I will have a look this week.
I will be looking at this new Masuri Test for sure.
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With the new Masuri, I can see the grille has changed but is is still in the same position (i.e sticking out a long way in front of the face)?
I must have my grille almost touching my nose, it's why i stick with the older models, but i would like to renew at some stage.
Is there a reason why the grilles can't be adjusted fore and aft, I understand the up/down adjustment requirements, but fore/aft movement can't be an issue?
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With the new Masuri, I can see the grille has changed but is is still in the same position (i.e sticking out a long way in front of the face)?
I must have my grille almost touching my nose, it's why i stick with the older models, but i would like to renew at some stage.
Is there a reason why the grilles can't be adjusted fore and aft, I understand the up/down adjustment requirements, but fore/aft movement can't be an issue?
They are fixed in position so that they pass testing as the headform is fitted with a "no contact zone". When the ball hits the grille at 64mph it inevitably forces it backwards towards this zone or the chin of the headform which if either are struck would be deemed a failure.
By aligning the further away from these zones it means less chance of them being struck when being subjected to testing. The lab would take a helmet and set it to what would be deemed the likeliest settings for failure (worst case scenario settings) so this is why brands have fixed them to only 1 settings so this isn't an issue.
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Only a reasonably basic picture so far, actual images of products will follow as they arrive in stock, but heres the Masuri alternative i think many of those considering Shrey will appreciate.
([url]http://i.imgur.com/pGWTTjVh.jpg[/url])
Oh this looks really nice, will have to try this on at some point as my current Masuri (the old old style one) has always felt kinda small on my head. I'd like to try an Ayrtek on as well, does anyone know of any shops that sell them rather than buying directly from them?
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Really good post! I have always played with Forma and I have been very happy with them. Actually Protech (parent company of Forma) makes bike helmets in India and they have been in this business for a very long time. If you see closely, many brads are getting their helmets made by them (look at the designs closely and you will know).
The story is - Kiran More (former India wicketkeeper) has stakes in the company and the original helmet was designed by Sachin Tendulkar many years back. Today they take feedbacks from many India players. No wonder more than half of Indian team uses Forma.
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Really good post! I have always played with Forma and I have been very happy with them. Actually Protech (parent company of Forma) makes bike helmets in India and they have been in this business for a very long time. If you see closely, many brads are getting their helmets made by them (look at the designs closely and you will know).
The story is - Kiran More (former India wicketkeeper) has stakes in the company and the original helmet was designed by Sachin Tendulkar many years back. Today they take feedbacks from many India players. No wonder more than half of Indian team uses Forma.
Forma does not currently conform to the latest safety standards. This is not a colonialism thing, or xenophobia as has been raised by a few in the past. Shrey, Yonker and Stanford (all Indian brands) have helmets that have been put through the testing, and passed.
As raised in this topic, just because a helmet has passed does not automatically make it safe in my opinion, the worrying lack of build quality in many Shreys is evidence of this. When scrutinising whether we will stock a safety product we look at more than a simple safety certificate, which has its flaws as i have shown.
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Would be interesting to know if Shrey are accredited with relevant international quality control systems? It's not that difficult to build to specification a group of samples for test. It's applying and keeping the right quality control in series production.
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Adam Voges down with a shrey. Looks like a tough blow.
@Ayrtek Cricket , is the new BS stricter on side blows as well as frontal?
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I have t seen the video as said cricket website doesn't let us view them here.
Was he hit on the shell or grille?
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I have t seen the video as said cricket website doesn't let us view them here.
Was he hit on the shell or grille?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltrpJPfMS6U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltrpJPfMS6U)
Side of the head. Might be right around the fixing of the grill, or just above.
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Look at the back near the rear/side he turned his head at last minute lid did it job was a big blow that
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Comes down to how much force the helmet acts to absorb/disperse.
The shells and grills are all impacts at different locations which is why we are required to submit 30 helmets per model for testing. Some of you may have seen the graphic I put up recently showing the newest helmet we have released and where we feautre in regards to impact forces being recorded during BSI testing.
You can be right upto 250Gn and still pass where as we were averaging below 50 across the 3 different testing conditions. Due to variation in design we use EPS within the helmet which is commonly known as a great impact absorbent material hence its use so widely in cycling helmets.
(http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq167/tom_ayrtek/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-10/F05CD8C9-2DB0-4B79-8B8A-F888C5DA4C01.jpg) (http://s444.photobucket.com/user/tom_ayrtek/media/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-10/F05CD8C9-2DB0-4B79-8B8A-F888C5DA4C01.jpg.html)
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Is it compulsory for helmet companies to release their results @Ayrtek Cricket ? If not, do you think it should be? Also, what is the result difference between this series and the old series?
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No it's not compulsory as it's the companies own data. Not sure if it should be or not tbh but imo I'd like to think we've driven innovation and made others have too pull their socks up too since we entered the fray.
The newer PremierTek 2016 model is performing marginally better than the previous model in terms of impact attenuation due to a newer shell material I've used.
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As they are potentially life saving equipment personally I think it should be compulsory. I'd prefer to know that I was being protected better for my money from one brand to another and am not just paying extra money because of who's badge is on it.
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I'm amazed pro's don't use neck protectors.
I'd want a tank if I were to be facing Starc/Steyn. Why go out without one!? Must be a superstition thing because they don't weigh anything or affect movement. I guess it's just knowing it's "There".
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As they are potentially life saving equipment personally I think it should be compulsory. I'd prefer to know that I was being protected better for my money from one brand to another and am not just paying extra money because of who's badge is on it.
Depends if your results are something to be positive about or not I guess 🤔
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Another concussion from a shrey
http://www.cricket.com.au/video/alex-doolan-concussion-helmet-hit-tasmania-western-australia-sheffield-shield-adam-voges/2016-11-19 (http://www.cricket.com.au/video/alex-doolan-concussion-helmet-hit-tasmania-western-australia-sheffield-shield-adam-voges/2016-11-19)
Doolan this time.
Can't ever remember many helmets(original masuri ayrtek etc) ever causing concussions, yet seems to be a lot lately??
Is it more due to them being sent to docs and not just cracking on as before?
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Where's Vic?
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IMO I think the shell structure has an effect as they have now been designed to be more rigid to stop the ball penetrating the peak/grille area which means a stiffer shell.
If you make something to dense it won't absorb impact and will instead transmit the impact on to the object being placed next to it..I.e the head.
Our design is intended to work By Using a rigid outer shell paired with the EPS liner invour design we have a harder outer layer to dissipate the initial impact and a crushable/impact absorbing layer to reduce the force.
Does anyone know what the other helmets use is it a foam core centre type design with it sandwiched between a hard outer and inner layer?
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As they are potentially life saving equipment personally I think it should be compulsory. I'd prefer to know that I was being protected better for my money from one brand to another and am not just paying extra money because of who's badge is on it.
ECB website show a list of helmets meeting the new standards as of July 2016.
https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets (https://www.ecb.co.uk/concussion-in-cricket/helmets)
Hope they would update this list periodically (adding / deleting the brands / models).
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/255100/255127.jpg (http://www.espncricinfo.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/255100/255127.jpg)
Looks like Shrey has (at least) addressed the issue of stickers falling off!
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This only shows who is certified @avkrish not their test results.
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This only shows who is certified @avkrish not their test results.
Yes @Calzehbhoy and I do understand that what an average consumer gets could be an entirely different product from what has been tested and approved, irrespective of the manufacturer.
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Has anyone attempted to take off a shrey fitted grille of the helmet and turned it into an adjustable helmet? Is this possible to do?
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Looking at new helmets today, does this potentially look like Shrey have now resolved the issue? Has anyone actually seen these in person. Have seen both Duckett and Root using the new helmet in the latest.
http://www.morrant.com/cricket_helmets/shrey_masterclass_air_helmet_titanium_grille/155608_p.html (http://www.morrant.com/cricket_helmets/shrey_masterclass_air_helmet_titanium_grille/155608_p.html)
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^ I'm not sure covering the area in question in even more cloth can be seen as anything more than further attempts to hide the underlying issue.
As you'll see on this new Masuri Original Test model, this is what the grille mount design that Shrey have copied should look like.
(http://i.imgur.com/pHglsJah.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LXCZk5oh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/V5zoPF0h.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Y3QF0Jhh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Mv79E5Qh.jpg)
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Had an Interesting day with all the major helmet manufacturers today at BSI reviewing the latest safety standard ☑
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Had an Interesting day with all the major helmet manufacturers today at BSI reviewing the latest safety standard ☑
AND????????
Does forum rules apply for this? No pics/info it never happened!!!
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Had an Interesting day with all the major helmet manufacturers today at BSI reviewing the latest safety standard ☑
this sounds like it should be in a new thread :)
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AND????????
Does forum rules apply for this? No pics/info it never happened!!!
With the demise of forums Tapatalk uploading pics is a long process now....check Twitter or Instagram tho 👍
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([url]http://i.imgur.com/Mv79E5Qh.jpg[/url])
Separately, I have found that the foam around the forehead makes you very hot when batting, I have fitted a swoppa band which makes life more bearable.
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You've always been hot when you're batting @Buzz !
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Had an Interesting day with all the major helmet manufacturers today at BSI reviewing the latest safety standard ☑
Any significant changes to the standards that will affect the current models?
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Parthiv Patel is the first international i have seen wearing a Masuri Original Series Test model.
(http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/256000/256040.jpg)
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Parthiv Patel is the first international i have seen wearing a Masuri Original Series Test model.
([url]http://p.imgci.com/db/PICTURES/CMS/256000/256040.jpg[/url])
one of the other close fielder i think Karun Nair also had one on
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Great thread, this!
Looking forward to reading what the latest developments are. I was in the market for a new helmet prior to the OZ '16-17 season and was weighing up Masuri Elite titanium against the Shrey Masterclass Air. Went for Masuri due to its design and manufacture in the UK. I absolutely love it. The build quality is superb and the weight has never been an issue.
Thanks to Jake for highlighting issues he's seen with Shreys.
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Seen a Shrey today at training that had one titanium horizontal grille bar dislodged from the weld/soulder spot .....apparently the bloke just took it out of his kit and went to pick it up by the grille and the bar gave way . Helmet 1/2 a season old . Never seen that on any helmet other than a dodgy el cheapo g.n helmet I had about 20 years ago.
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One £6.30 Shrey, an old Masuri grille and a spot of persistence later:
(http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w158/eiwm/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20170105_153415_zpsnnkoex54.jpg)
Vision hugely improved, grille might be a bit close to the face at present settings though (this style grille always were). Gap at about 56mm. Don't try this at home kids.
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One £6.30 Shrey, an old Masuri grille and a spot of persistence later:
When was the helmet available at this price!!!?
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When was the helmet available at this price!!!?
@avkrish PDC's work experience/Foreign exchange student put the decimal point in the wrong place a few weeks back on the website. Most on here got one despite them being death traps ;)
Safe to say they've changed the price back to £63 now.
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Good video from @VKS (they usually are)
https://youtu.be/VGFjmMeXC6A
He compares it to a shrey at the end. "The Masuri is far superior" is the words used.
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The things with Shrey vs. Masuri is that yes without a doubt the Shrey helmets are lighter than most Masuri's (they were obviously targeted at the Vision Series), theres no doubting that but the build quality is inferior by far on the Shrey. The USP is the lightness and to comply with the new safety standards and to maintain this they are just about scrapping through the tests, they are good enough to just pass but they are nowhere near the safety standard of Masuri. Its no coincidence that many pros wearing Shrey's are having concussions after impacts to the head as they aren't strong enough for professional cricket. With the new ranges from Masuri amongst others Shrey are really risking losing their market position as they aren't the lightest helmets anymore and they are not even close to the safest. I really beleive that Masuri are starting to take the place of Shrey with the Original Series MkII. With Masuri if you want a safe, classic look and fairly light helmet the MkII could be for you (especially as you can fit a stem guard on them as well) and if you aren't so worried about the weight then the Vision Series is probably the way to go and if you can the titanium models would be a great choice.
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The things with Shrey vs. Masuri is that yes without a doubt the Shrey helmets are lighter than most Masuri's (they were obviously targeted at the Vision Series), theres no doubting that but the build quality is inferior by far on the Shrey. The USP is the lightness and to comply with the new safety standards and to maintain this they are just about scrapping through the tests, they are good enough to just pass but they are nowhere near the safety standard of Masuri. Its no coincidence that many pros wearing Shrey's are having concussions after impacts to the head as they aren't strong enough for professional cricket. With the new ranges from Masuri amongst others Shrey are really risking losing their market position as they aren't the lightest helmets anymore and they are not even close to the safest. I really beleive that Masuri are starting to take the place of Shrey with the Original Series MkII. With Masuri if you want a safe, classic look and fairly light helmet the MkII could be for you (especially as you can fit a stem guard on them as well) and if you aren't so worried about the weight then the Vision Series is probably the way to go and if you can the titanium models would be a great choice.
Shrey were never the lightest, it's easy to write 'lightest helmet on the market' in your marketing, but quite another to actually back it up, as this post shows
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=40141.msg639071#msg639071 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=40141.msg639071#msg639071)
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Shrey were never the lightest, it's easy to write 'lightest helmet on the market' in your marketing, but quite another to actually back it up, as this post shows
[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=40141.msg639071#msg639071[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=40141.msg639071#msg639071[/url])
Thats a fair point, they definitely aimed to market the lightness against the Masuri offering but I think they've been quickly found out and Masuri have once again responded
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I think Masuri just responded to customer feedback.
Players wanted old style lids that were lighter.
So Masuri made them. Good for them.
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Got hit in the head a fortnight ago in a game, tried to hook one and it got on me quicker than anticipated. My Shrey helmet stood up very well indeed, no damage at all, everything still intact. I must've got a good one?
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I don't think anyone's saying any one Shrey won't survive a blow. Generally the build quality isn't perhaps as it should or could be and could therefore be more susceptible to not doing it's job.
Personally, I won't take that chance; of all cricket safety equipment for me the helmet is the top priority and i want the best helmet on the market. I don't think I'd trust a Shrey...
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I know for a fact from a market insider that the Shrey Helmets are designed literally to just pass the safety tests as they can make them as light as possible that way, they would probably be fine most levels of club cricket however they come into question for the county and international game. The fact of the matter is it's not right or wrong to use a Shrey helmet as like a pair of shoes its totally personal preference and comfort. I guess I'm quite lucky that my shape of head fits perfectly into the Masuri VS helmets as I personally prefer the safety element that they provide along with comfort it's a win win
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I know for a fact from a market insider that the Shrey Helmets are designed literally to just pass the safety tests as they can make them as light as possible that way....
I'm not sure what else you (or anyone else) would expect tbh, they pass a standard (its a pass fail as i understand, there isnt various grades of passing) and can keep the lid as light as they can which will increase their marketing and im sure keep costs low (or profit margin high)
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I'm not sure what else you (or anyone else) would expect tbh, they pass a standard (its a pass fail as i understand, there isnt various grades of passing) and can keep the lid as light as they can which will increase their marketing and im sure keep costs low (or profit margin high)
That's kind of the point, there not a grade system like we see in bats, pads and gloves for example, I agree that all they have tried to do is pass as thats technically all they need to do but for consumers buying the product I'd personally spend a little bit more to get my Masuri VS Elite and know how safe it is tbh
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See a few posts up where they aren't even light!
From what I believe they were targeted directly at the Masuri VS helmets and by comparison they are light but there are some other helmets that are cheaper and just as if not lighter than the Shrey helmets
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Saw my first example of the newer style Shrey helmet recently, with the light blue plastic Shrey embossed/branded grille mount rather than the cheap sticker they used to use.
It is only one example of course but the overall build quality did seem better and the sublimated logo did look good. However, it STILL had the exact same cracking issue in the grille mount highlighted earlier in this topic.
It's all well and good saying these helmets are fine because in amateur cricket we don't face bowling fast enough to warrant top end levels of safety; an argument i've seen in the past to justify poor build quality, and (going further back in time) whilst raging against new helmet regs. Tino Best is playing for Mildenahall CC this Summer, so this idea of amateur/club cricket being somehow safer due to slower bowling speeds does not always ring true, i've also seen a ball penetrate the gap of a childs older style helmet at 35mph on a bowling machine.
This lid was issued by Shrey/Northants to a Northants 2's player who plays for my club, he's been selected to play against SA on Sunday, he won't be facing dibbly dobbly slop in a a club game! He's got a Masuri too and i do hope he wears it.
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^ I will never wear one. Period!
My Masuri has averted damage a few times and I shall stick with them. My Ayrtek is good as well.
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Completely agree. Kinda fond of my nose exactly where it is...
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Saw my first example of the newer style Shrey helmet recently, with the light blue plastic Shrey embossed/branded grille mount rather than the cheap sticker they used to use.
It is only one example of course but the overall build quality did seem better and the sublimated logo did look good. However, it STILL had the exact same cracking issue in the grille mount highlighted earlier in this topic.
It's all well and good saying these helmets are fine because in amateur cricket we don't face bowling fast enough to warrant top end levels of safety; an argument i've seen in the past to justify poor build quality, and (going further back in time) whilst raging against new helmet regs. Tino Best is playing for Mildenahall CC this Summer, so this idea of amateur/club cricket being somehow safer due to slower bowling speeds does not always ring true, i've also seen a ball penetrate the gap of a childs older style helmet at 35mph on a bowling machine.
This lid was issued by Shrey/Northants to a Northants 2's player who plays for my club, he's been selected to play against SA on Sunday, he won't be facing dibbly dobbly slop in a a club game! He's got a Masuri too and i do hope he wears it.
Misjudging a beamer hurts enough at bog standard club level - rather not risk it... as it is when i buy a new masuri I will be buying a neck guard and if i get on with it then great!
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Ive seen this topic for a while and being paying attention to it closely as i have always been a masuri helmet man (pre fixed grill regulations)
I then went to the shrey as i was not a fan of a heavy Bulky masuri.
Ive had my Shrey Air Pro Guard for close to 2 years and have had 0 issues and have been hit on the grill and peak of the helmet, not on the actual helmet it self and i cannot find any issues with my shrey,
Without pumping my tyres up, i'm playing premier level cricket in Brisbane and havent had any issues.
Edit: using titanium grill
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I play ECB Prem top level cricket in England and i have had 0 issue either batting or keeping.
I'm still a average bunter mind!!!!!!! happy seeing out my last season
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I play ECB Prem top level cricket in England and i have had 0 issue either batting or keeping.
I'm still a average bunter mind!!!!!!! happy seeing out my last season
@procricket , even with all the comments here, I'm still interested in a Shrey Custom (My head and face just don't fit a Masuri and did you see how badly bent the grill of Matt Renshaw's Gray-Nic helmet went.. yikes!).
Did you complete the order of your Orange Shrey yourself with Shrey, or was this one you picked up from your club?
I'd like the logo to come on the helmet, but keen to avoid the issue of having one come with cracked grill mounts and going through the issue of returning a custom build helmet...
Any advice here would be greatly appreciated!
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I figured this would probably be the best place to ask this question. I currently own a shrey pro guard. I was wondering how to remove the shrey grille and replace it with an old style masuri grille like someone did on the forum previously, without damaging the helmet it self though
Any help would be much appreciated
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I figured this would probably be the best place to ask this question. I currently own a shrey pro guard. I was wondering how to remove the shrey grille and replace it with an old style masuri grille like someone did on the forum previously, without damaging the helmet it self though
Any help would be much appreciated
With difficulty! Getting the Shrey grille off isn't hard, but the bolt holes in old Masuri grilles aren't big enough, so you have to grind out the grille to fit, which doesn't work that well. I tried it because the Shrey cost me 6.50 or whatever it was, but I'd just buy a helmet you like in the first place to be honest.
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With difficulty! Getting the Shrey grille off isn't hard, but the bolt holes in old Masuri grilles aren't big enough, so you have to grind out the grille to fit, which doesn't work that well. I tried it because the Shrey cost me 6.50 or whatever it was, but I'd just buy a helmet you like in the first place to be honest.
Did you just use an Alan key to remove the helmet screws?
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Did you just use an Alan key to remove the helmet screws?
No, they're one way screws rather than allen keys, so just bully them off with whatever selection of tools you have to hand. As I say though mate, Masuri grilles don't fit on to them that well - not really worth it.
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I used a file and a hack saw to remove the one way screws, it didn't take that long but was a bit fiddly.
I then bought new screws for the lid.
I only did it when I knew the grille would fit the new lid, but they were both new style masuri lids.
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20170125_184415_zpsmghvmu3e.jpg (http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20170125_184415_zpsmghvmu3e.jpg)
http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20170121_152424_zpsviazc6ld.jpg (http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/IMG_20170121_152424_zpsviazc6ld.jpg)
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As a couple of people in the thread have implored me to comment, here is my two bobs worth...
I can only comment on the Shrey I have, which is the first version with a titanium grill,
I have used it for three seasons now, and zero problems.
I play the hook well, so have not been hit flush on the helmet. Only "hit" was a ball that reared on a damp deck that hit my right shoulder and deflected up onto my face guard. No problem.
I can provide current photos of mine inside and out to verify.
For me, it is "Shrey all the Way!".
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In preparation for the up coming Australian Summer, i made some further enquires from Australian distributors. Apparently, there were particularly bad batches through 2015&16 with the guard mount cracking issue, pretty well isolated to Australia and the UK.
I've been assured with complete 100% confidence that this has been rectified with the 2017 updates though...
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In preparation for the up coming Australian Summer, i made some further enquires from Australian distributors. Apparently, there were particularly bad batches through 2015&16 with the guard mount cracking issue, pretty well isolated to Australia and the UK.
I've been assured with complete 100% confidence that this has been rectified with the 2017 updates though...
Hmmmm......seems at odds with what Jake said re seeing 2017 model only back in May with the same grille mount cracking issues .
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In preparation for the up coming Australian Summer, i made some further enquires from Australian distributors. Apparently, there were particularly bad batches through 2015&16 with the guard mount cracking issue, pretty well isolated to Australia and the UK.
I've been assured with complete 100% confidence that this has been rectified with the 2017 updates though...
The distributors who are trying to sell them?
They'll hardy tell you "they're awful, you'd be better off buying a Masuri" will they...
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The distributors who are trying to sell them?
They'll hardy tell you "they're awful, you'd be better off buying a Masuri" will they...
This particular distributor would and has in the past.
Quick update on this one.
We ended doing a custom order (embroidered club logo) and got six guys to order lids. 2x Pro Guard Titanium, 2x Masterclass Air Steel, 1x Pro Guard Steel and 1x Armour (so a good sample across the Shrey Range). Not one with the cracking issue and overall build quality is pretty good.
Only issue for me is the new back of head sizing system. It's $hit which i've already changed, but otherwise quality is equal or slightly better to my old Masuri Original Test.
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Only issue for me is the new back of head sizing system. It's $hit which i've already changed, but otherwise quality is equal or slightly better to my old Masuri Original Test.
So your new lids are on par with an out-dated helmet which has been replaced by a new version, due to the old version not being of good enough quality...
Quite a few of my club mates have bought Shrey lids - having looked at them myself they all had the same mount cracking/botch job repairs as seen earlier in the thread. Really don't see the point in buying a Shrey when you can just get a Masuri OS2 for roughly the same price if that's the lid you really want
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to be fair, my club offers the adult vision series for £75 embroided.
Cracking price.
Always gone with shrey but the stitching quality on the last one I have had is shocking.
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Exactly mate, if the stitching quality (something that is in plain view) is that poor then imagine what the rest of the build quality is like (the actual important bit!).
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Not even kidding after 5 matches the sqwatchee had come out & the stitching starting to undo. not good.
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Always trust in Masuri, I've been hit on the head at a decent pace (80 mph+) and the Masuri VS Elite stood up to the test. Masuri is an obvious choice for me
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Have views changed after the 2.0 release?
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Have views changed after the 2.0 release?
For me, the 2.0 is an incredible helmet! Unbelievable comfort, the changes they’ve made are superb too
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For me, the 2.0 is an incredible helmet! Unbelievable comfort, the changes they’ve made are superb too
@19reading87 it LOOKS very similar in pics, so am glad to have asked the question here.. what changes did you find to be great?
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@19reading87 it LOOKS very similar in pics, so am glad to have asked the question here.. what changes did you find to be great?
If you look at the pictures http://www.prodirectcricket.com/products/Shrey-Master-Class-Air-20-Titanium-Cricket-Helmet-Black-Batting-Equipment-H011BLACK-169278.aspx (http://www.prodirectcricket.com/products/Shrey-Master-Class-Air-20-Titanium-Cricket-Helmet-Black-Batting-Equipment-H011BLACK-169278.aspx) you’ll see there is not adjustable strap likenthere was on the older models and Masuris from years ago. Now padding(various sizes) which make it a great fit
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I read through this whole thread yesterday, seeing as I use a Shrey Masterclass Air Titanium.
I was concerned as my helmet was bought at the end of the 2016 season. Mine showed no signs of cracking, and I've been very pleased with the build quality. The only gripe I have is that the finishing on the grill isn't as smart as on my old Masuri or the Vision Elite I had for a season.
For future though I think I will go back to a Masuri, but I didn't get on with the weight of the one I had. Im tempted, once I have money,to invest in a masuri before hopefully going overseas this winter.