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Title: Is this normal
Post by: jimmy23 on June 29, 2017, 07:58:25 PM
I have discovered this under the rear sticker of my 2 stripe B3.
Anyone seen this before? Is it filler?

(http://i1042.photobucket.com/albums/b426/jimmyboydun/Mobile%20Uploads/1318867A-9DF5-463B-A9D9-2479848AD5DB_zpsnvz4hmkd.jpg) (http://s1042.photobucket.com/user/jimmyboydun/media/Mobile%20Uploads/1318867A-9DF5-463B-A9D9-2479848AD5DB_zpsnvz4hmkd.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Churchy1989 on June 29, 2017, 08:20:57 PM
Yes its filler, should not even be sold!
No warranty!
Disturbing from B3.


Had a mate refurb a bat and re handle from their recently, very disappointed. Not even the same shape handle! Missed delamination and wrong colour grip requested! Won't be going there any time soon @The Doctor , should not need to complain but send like there are some poor apprentices...
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Tom on June 29, 2017, 08:24:39 PM
Filler isn't unusual in a knot. If it's in the back or way out of the playing area it shouldn't matter too much
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: brokenbat on June 29, 2017, 08:28:33 PM
Filler isn't unusual in a knot. If it's in the back or way out of the playing area it shouldn't matter too much

Exactly.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: smilley792 on June 29, 2017, 08:39:48 PM
Filler isn't unusual in a knot. If it's in the back or way out of the playing area it shouldn't matter too much

This
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Neon Cricket on June 29, 2017, 08:47:13 PM
If I'd paid £240 for a bat I wouldn't expect filler to be even in the same vicinity (let alone being hidden underneath the stickers...) - quite surprised that this appears to be fine with most?
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 29, 2017, 08:47:58 PM
Wouldn't want in my bat that said  The filler in that area of the bat  shouldn't affect the bats performance  as wood filler is designed  to flex with movement and  ::shouldn't crack.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: e4sby on June 29, 2017, 08:48:48 PM
B3 usually class these as seconds
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 29, 2017, 08:51:09 PM
If I'd paid £240 for a bat I wouldn't expect filler to be even in the same vicinity (let alone being hidden underneath the stickers...) - quite surprised that this appears to be fine with most?

This.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 29, 2017, 08:53:00 PM
Imagine the uproar they'd be if this was a Paul Aldred bat.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: WalkingWicket37 on June 29, 2017, 08:54:36 PM
MSR sell bats that look like this for between £30 and £60 on eBay...
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Tom on June 29, 2017, 08:57:21 PM
If I'd paid £240 for a bat I wouldn't expect filler to be even in the same vicinity (let alone being hidden underneath the stickers...) - quite surprised that this appears to be fine with most?
Definitely understand how it feels underhand to hide it behind stickers. I don't know what grade a 2 Stripe is (stupid naming system), however I would hope for it to be downgraded on account of this. What does the face look like?

Most batmakers handle and treat their clefts in a way to remove or at the very least hide knots.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: addu84 on June 29, 2017, 09:06:50 PM
Thats extremely poor. Imagine if this was some Asian brand....
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Gurujames on June 29, 2017, 09:17:19 PM
MSR sell bats that look like this for between £30 and £60 on eBay...
I've had 2 of theirs (a grade one and a £19 butterfly) and they are both very hard pressed. Will be good bats in 10 years time no doubt. At least with the B3 there was no complaint over the performance.
Lesson to us all. Go for the lower grades as they give the same results and cost you less and give less Agro in the long run.  I remember my dad saying something similar to me about girls.... he was right
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Churchy1989 on June 29, 2017, 09:17:41 PM
Nobody would bat an eyelid as it would be deemed as "the norm" for "cheap imports"

It looks like a Standard Newbery (below players grade) rather than a B3.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: jimmy23 on June 29, 2017, 09:19:22 PM
Face is fine and so is the performance to be honest, was just a bit shocked when I saw this under the sticker.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Churchy1989 on June 29, 2017, 09:22:02 PM
Face is fine and so is the to be honest, was just a bit shocked when I saw this under the sticker.

But I think the point is, you would not have bought it if you was that. Was it an online purchase? did they show you the bat?
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: jimmy23 on June 29, 2017, 09:24:54 PM
But I think the point is, you would not have bought it if you was that. Was it an online purchase? did they show you the bat?

Not online no. Went to the factory, told them what I wanted, and the bat was made and collected a week later.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Gurujames on June 29, 2017, 09:35:49 PM


@Gurujames I hope your other half doesn't browse the forum  :o  :D

I was talking about my love life as a teenager not the present. Honest.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Biggie Smalls on June 29, 2017, 11:40:38 PM
If you can't say anything nice ......
  ;) :(
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Shinpathy on June 30, 2017, 02:38:35 AM
Wow that is damn nasty
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Northern monkey on June 30, 2017, 05:53:12 AM
That's horrible
They could have used it as an autograph bat or something

Questionable quality control if that's being allowed out the door at that money
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: The Doctor on June 30, 2017, 08:29:23 AM
I wasn't going to reply to this thread, instead let it play out but actually I think we need to point a few things out.

1. The bat in question was brought back to us for a weight reduction, it got put back onto the machine and we removed 4 ounces (I think) - a link the this topic can be found here  http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=42394.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=42394.0)
2. We didn't hide anything - the knot location was under the sticker, we didn't move the sticker, or add a new sticker to hide this. This doesn't happen very often, and Chris is right,on a new bat this would be communicated to the customer before sale but as this was effectively a refurb, when the knot was revealed in the weight reduction - we filled, polished and stickered.

This goes on an awful lot, both in Asian, UK and Australian made bats -This is the main reason why companies have large stickers that cover a large area - to cover things up. B3 Cricket have fairly minimal stickers but above that are very honest with this sort of thing.

Lets play fair!

Streaky
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 30, 2017, 10:02:45 AM
Can a knot be below the surface?
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 30, 2017, 10:07:50 AM
When you start work on a raw cleft you never sure what you are going to find.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 30, 2017, 12:19:28 PM
When you start work on a raw cleft you never sure what you are going to find.

 
A knot must be showing on one side or other, mustn't it? A knot can't exist in the middle of a piece of wood?
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Gurujames on June 30, 2017, 12:59:37 PM
This is true.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: t2ylo on June 30, 2017, 01:01:24 PM
I would expect to pay under £40 for any willow that blemished
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Seniorplayer on June 30, 2017, 01:36:36 PM

A knot must be showing on one side or other, mustn't it? A knot can't exist in the middle of a piece of wood?

Comment more to do with other defects in willow
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on June 30, 2017, 03:56:43 PM
This is true.

So The Doctor's explanation is nonsense?
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: SOULMAN1012 on June 30, 2017, 04:03:45 PM
So The Doctor's explanation is nonsense?

It certainly isn't nonsense no. As was stated 4oz was removed from the bat which is a huge amount, the knot could be below the surface (unusual but possible) also could have been a tiny pin knot until that amount of wood was removed.
B3 are a really good brand so let's be reasonable there is no reason to think they deceived anyone etc, I would imagine a large % of our bats have knots, stains etc under the stickers
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: GoodLeave on June 30, 2017, 05:40:46 PM
Appreciate this was a refurb, but wouldn't it have been picked up first time around? It's not like the knot appeared after the stickers were put on.

I find it hard to believe that knots can be covered up by wood growing over them. By all means, prove me wrong. I hope someone does.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: skip1973 on June 30, 2017, 11:52:47 PM
A few are acting as though the stickers been moved to a different spot to hide a blemish in some sort of deceitful way. The knot would have always been there, when more wood was taken out some of the eye of the knot ( very brittle ) has come out and been tidied up with filler.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: brokenbat on June 30, 2017, 11:59:53 PM
A few are acting as though the stickers been moved to a different spot to hide a blemish in some sort of deceitful way. The know would have always been there, when more wood was taken out some of the eye of the knot ( very brittle ) has come out and been tidied up with filler.

Exactly. FOUR ounces is a LOT of wood. Was a bit cheeky for the original poster to not mention that.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: bostoncricketer on July 01, 2017, 01:02:59 AM
He even mentioned it was a 2 stripe. Haven't seen refurbs carry the stripe sticker.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: potzy248 on July 01, 2017, 01:29:13 AM
Seems all legit and the Doctor has been open about it. I just hope you all jump to the defence of other brands when this occurs...
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: i12breakfree on July 01, 2017, 02:35:27 AM
Seems all legit and the Doctor has been open about it. I just hope you all jump to the defence of other brands when this occurs...
u said it ... completely agree
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: skip1973 on July 01, 2017, 02:53:23 AM
I find the mental side of it interesting that a bat can be very good but if you find a blemish under a sticker on the back of it, it suddenly becomes no good.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: potzy248 on July 01, 2017, 04:22:19 AM
I find the mental side of it interesting that a bat can be very good but if you find a blemish under a sticker on the back of it, it suddenly becomes no good.

I don't think anyone said that.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Australian fast bowler on July 01, 2017, 05:19:09 AM
I find the mental side of it interesting that a bat can be very good but if you find a blemish under a sticker on the back of it, it suddenly becomes no good.

100% agree with this, probably many bats would have had similar things being covered by stickers and unless is the case here you remove them all and refurb, many would be none the wiser,

I do agree however it does not look good. Is the age all thing that many still will go for looks over performance
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: jimmy23 on July 01, 2017, 06:01:01 AM
He even mentioned it was a 2 stripe. Haven't seen refurbs carry the stripe sticker.

It was a 2 stripe big edge warner purchased 8 months ago that I wanted a weight reduction on to which I was advised for it be changed to a small edge warner.
If you read back through the posts I have already said I have no issue with performance or it suddenly becoming a 'bad bat'.
I simply asked if it was normal.

Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Shinpathy on July 01, 2017, 06:05:11 AM
I think with extra big sized clefts, you cant expect them to look amazing  :)
Ive got a shocker looker of a kaboom as well, but at least it pings very well.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: The Doctor on July 01, 2017, 08:19:16 AM
He even mentioned it was a 2 stripe. Haven't seen refurbs carry the stripe sticker.

B3 Refurbs will always have the original grade put back on them.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: skip1973 on July 01, 2017, 08:42:45 AM
I don't think anyone said that.
i just skimmed back quickly and at least 3 people said they wouldn't tolerate a blemish like this, that CEAT I believe was returned because of blemish as well.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Shinpathy on July 01, 2017, 09:10:17 AM
This one is very nasty for a players grade GN willow lol.... Big clefts...

(https://i.gyazo.com/7c7b374e425c59dae02f5a3cc4af0ea9.jpg)

(https://i.gyazo.com/8575460caa2668a434af8194833d8bf8.jpg)

(https://i.gyazo.com/7c81760fa0e07e39ddfab733a1626414.jpg)
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Aussiecollector on July 01, 2017, 02:33:54 PM
Kabooms are not a surgeons scalpel , they are a power hitters tool of trade , power & performance over straight grains , the 50plus were more asthetically pleasing , a more traditional players bat who could use the weight , they were graded this way , 2 have both is to understand each bats performance , the flighty loud flashy sportscar & the v8 twin turbo bently , both have the horsepower but each appeals to a different driver , bring on this years models & take a test drive of your favourite.
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Shinpathy on July 01, 2017, 02:42:03 PM
Well spoken ;)
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: potzy248 on July 01, 2017, 06:44:31 PM
i just skimmed back quickly and at least 3 people said they wouldn't tolerate a blemish like this, that CEAT I believe was returned because of blemish as well.

Thats right, tolerate a blemish like that. Not thats it no good. The fact they wouldn't want the bat is not down to its performance.  :)
Anyway...

Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: Bats_Entertainment on July 01, 2017, 07:18:11 PM
And there was me thinking bats were for hitting balls with...
Title: Re: Is this normal
Post by: JB on July 01, 2017, 08:13:39 PM
I wouldn't be bothered in the slightest by this. Put the sticker back on and forget it is there, it's still the same great bat that you first bought!!

If it picks up well and plays well then what else matters????