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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: radiomark on July 01, 2018, 06:18:44 AM
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I've been watching my son play this season and an amazed by the ill temper and the general nastiness that some of the games have been played in.
little incident yesterday with one of our players.Umpires decision not out,no edge.(proper ACO umpire)
The kid cops a ton of abuse about not walking and is sledged for the rest of his innings.
Seems to be a win at all costs attitude this year even in the village levels of the league.
The rest of our batters copped abuse after that as well
And we wonder why kids don't play.
Shall I stay at home and (no swearing please) my girlfriend or get grief on a cricket field all day.
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Disgusting, we played against two under 13’s lads yesterday. For one of them his first adult game. We as a fielding side encouraged them, clapped when they scored and all gave them a pat on the back and well batted when they were dismissed. First impressions are important, we need to keep the young lads interested in the game. You wouldn’t get away with abusing or bullying kids on any other platform, I certainly wouldn’t let it happen on a cricket field.
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Last tuesday we had a practice t20 match and we had an 11 year old offie in our xi. The kid frustrated the hell out of the opposition and took 2 wickets for 14-15 odd in his 3 overs and had a couple of catches dropped. The entire opposition team gave him a standing ovation after the match and we lifted him on our shoulders and cheered him. Its a gentlemens game. Lets keep it that way
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it's got worse in the last few years.when I used to play in the lower leagues it was all pretty friendly,enjoy the game win or lose.
As cricket loses the casual player its left with the really "keen" player/s who turn a team from a nice bunch of lads to something else.
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I play in a pretty high standard and competitive competition and the worst behaviour and most disgusting comments, 90% percent of the time come from the 30-40 year old guys who, go figure would have kids going through juniors now. Monkey see monkey do.
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Is. It not surprising when you hear coaches telling 12 year olds get in the opposition faces do what it takes to intimidate heard a coach say last season to a 15 year old stop him scoring bowl every ball short and at his body.
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It’s the way the game hasn’t gone. Just look at how seriously teams take it with all the gear, paid players, poaching etc. Add to that the general population is more hostile than ever the ‘friendly’ game is dying.
Youth cricket is bad for it with angry parents and coaches just wanting to destroy oppos etc etc. Sadly it is what it is now and u less the umpires (yes, it has to be them as clubs/capts don’t care) stamp on all verbals it simply will continue to get worse.
WEPL sent an ‘open letter’ last week about the rise in reported behaviour (saldy not from umpires but people emailing them directly to complain as umpires don’t want the hassle).. when challenged they claim it’s down to clubs and capts but we all know teams and capts who simply allow it or actively allow it
I genuinely don’t think it can or will be stopped so it’s a case of join in, accept it but don’t join in the verbals or walk away now..
It does however make me smile when people sledge about ‘pressure’.. try going to a war zone fella.. that’s pressure.. not some random meaningless cricket game. Clown 🤡 this is a pastime.. fun.. but ultimately meaningless
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Abusing or questioning umpires has got worse from what I’ve seen this year, seems to mainly be teams he don’t have an umpire. That and a football mentality has crept into cricket, Kent fans booing SNE yesterday is a prime example
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"Reflects the society we live in" etc.
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It reflects the actions in cricket at elite levels. Players no longer walk, generally. As a kid I was told to respect the game and the spirit of cricket. Young players see cricketers standing their ground, getting in fights, ball tampering, sledging and they copy. Everything drips down.
Couplemof years ago I heard a kid saying he won a penalty playing football by diving. His dad couldn't be prouder! The kid was nine...
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I played a T20 a few months ago and there was a kid of 16 years of age. We engaged in a bit of freindly banter when i was batting but when dismissed, he gave me a send off. I stopped and told him that the banter was fine but to drop the send offs from his game, he didnt ned them, and walked off. His father then got stuck into me from the sidelines. I thought this poor kid doesnt stand achance in life with that sort of example being set for him at home.
The kid apologised when we shook hands at the end of the game and i couldnt be happier!
There is hope out there!
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An open letter to the Southern League was published a couple of days ago.
Rule 42 to be introduced from next weekend
http://www.southernpremierleague.co.uk/news?id=136 (http://www.southernpremierleague.co.uk/news?id=136)
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I find abusing a batsman for not walking to be hypocritical rubbish. Also no need to personally attack youngsters. Having said that , non personal sledging of youngsters is fine by me. If they are good enough to play with the big boys they are going to need to be exposed to it a bit in order to learn how to play through it. I played my first senior cricket at age 12. I copped plenty and it toughened me up a bit . I matured as a cricketer faster as a result.
People just need to do their 'mental disintergration' in a non personal manner and not go overboard( ie you can have a laugh and complement oppo players too) and it should all be fine.
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An open letter to the Southern League was published a couple of days ago.
Rule 42 to be introduced from next weekend
[url]http://www.southernpremierleague.co.uk/news?id=136[/url] ([url]http://www.southernpremierleague.co.uk/news?id=136[/url])
This is a good step, I wish Middlesex did this.doubling of bans is the first step in the right direction and the only one that would work.
Personally I'm in favour of tripling or quadrupling bans for bad behaviour on field.and yes , that would mean in the worst case a player reported would miss half a season.
Drastic measures needed to save the game at club level in my opinion
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'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.
And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.
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As far as I'm aware he didn't hit it.I agree that you should walk if you know you have hit it.
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As far as I'm aware he didn't hit it.I agree that you should walk if you know you have hit it.
It wasn't a comment on the specific incident. Point is, recreational cricketers should respect and trust each other.
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'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.
And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.
I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.
And I agree, no need for sledging! I love some good spirited banter, but anything meant to intimidate or offend shouldn't be tolerated.
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In my opinion DRS hasn’t helped in this. Sport used to reflect life, you take the good with the bad. The last great series was in 2005 , no DRS and bad decisions being taken as “part of the game”. These days the amount of young blokes complaining about decisions is baffling and depressing. Kids don’t want to play, older guys don’t need the grief and umpires are on a hiding to nothing.
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I was saying the same thing this morning.You see endless replays in slow mo on the telly with an edge on snicko .
sometimes umpires of any standard just can't tell in real time and so cant give it if they're not sure.then they cop a load of abuse
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As far as I’m aware the spirit of cricket introduced means all sledging is banned. You can encourage your own players but not make comments about opposition players
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From my experience of stepping into senior league cricket at 14 to what I see now as a senior player couple of decades later, the incidence of sledging towards junior players has vastly improved over that time. What used to be accepted as part of the "toughening up process" simply wouldn't be tolerated now, and rightly so.
Where I see there has been a decline in behaviour is in descent towards umpires and I can see why some leagues struggle to attract sufficient umpires to cover all games. That said, players have a responsibility to help the umpires. If you have nicked one and you stand there and wait to be given out, then you are cheating.
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I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.
And I agree, no need for sledging! I love some good spirited banter, but anything meant to intimidate or offend shouldn't be tolerated.
^This.
Agree on both counts (i guess what i call 'non personal sledging' i should be calling banter ).
Re players walking , yep in social /low grade cricket id walk , but not in high grade cricket with paid umpires.
When i played football or league etc i always played 'to the whistle' ( and so did everyone else) .... there was no "sorry mr referee i knocked on /forward passed /was offside /went out of play , here , have the ball back to give to the opposition".
The main problem with walking /non walking is consistency . We are dealing with humans , so it will never be the case that absolutely everyone would adhere to an honour system .....so better consistency comes from leaving up to the umpires .
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In most of the games that I play in, non-batting members of your own team are the umpires. In those games if you know you have edged one then you absolutely should walk out of respect for your umpiring team mate if for nothing else.
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'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.
And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.
A young lad played a shot (bad sweep), it flicked up and the keeper caught it.. appeal and he stands... stands... stands... ‘not out’.. turns and walks off himself
Fair play lad.. he got himself lots of praise and will earn himself a free beer next time he plays us.. there are a few good pads around we just have a lot of choppers take it way too seriously
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I've been watching my son play this season and an amazed by the ill temper and the general nastiness that some of the games have been played in.
little incident yesterday with one of our players.Umpires decision not out,no edge.(proper ACO umpire)
The kid cops a ton of abuse about not walking and is sledged for the rest of his innings.
Seems to be a win at all costs attitude this year even in the village levels of the league.
The rest of our batters copped abuse after that as well
And we wonder why kids don't play.
Shall I stay at home and (no swearing please) my girlfriend or get grief on a cricket field all day.
Report the perpetrators to the club. If the club don't take action, report the club to the league. if the league don't take action, report the league to the ECB. Sledging is unacceptable at any level of cricket.
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'Sledging' is ridiculous. End of. Ban it.
And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.
Why would you want to ban sledging? Not appropriate at a lower level or with youngsters but we play against certain players who we know we can get them out just be giving them a few words early in their innings. Just as an example, bloke batting for the draw this weekend 15 off about 100-110 balls, i said id give him a fiver if he can hit one off the square. The following ball he runs down the wicket thick outside edge for a caught and bowled. He did complain to both umpires upon being caught about the comment but they told him to 'find some mental strength'. He wouldn't have moaned if he had hit it for a boundary....
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I will say personal sledging doesn't have a place in the game or calling someone **** etc but jokes about anything that's occurred in the game thus far is perfectly allowed and a part of the game in my opinion.
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I will say personal sledging doesn't have a place in the game or calling someone **** etc but jokes about anything that's occurred in the game thus far is perfectly allowed and a part of the game in my opinion.
Agree that light hearted banter is great fun if done in good taste - problems occur though when you've got some cream crackers who don't know where the line is. Is a difficult one to legislate for, as that line moves person to person, but ultimately any kind of chat should be allowed that is non-offensive.
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Why would you want to ban sledging? Not appropriate at a lower level or with youngsters but we play against certain players who we know we can get them out just be giving them a few words early in their innings. Just as an example, bloke batting for the draw this weekend 15 off about 100-110 balls, i said id give him a fiver if he can hit one off the square. The following ball he runs down the wicket thick outside edge for a caught and bowled. He did complain to both umpires upon being caught about the comment but they told him to 'find some mental strength'. He wouldn't have moaned if he had hit it for a boundary....
Its hard to know where the line is, exactly, obviously, but as a rule of thumb I'd say that if its a joke that is shared between batsmen and fielders, then its banter, if its one-way traffic designed to annoy/upset/antagonise the batsman, personal insults that are thinly disguised as "humour", then its sledging and it really isn't welcome at any level.
As for the example you give, then it depends how it was said and in what context. If it was said once, with a smile, then that's fine and the bloke is clearly a bit of a crackpot for allowing that to put him off. If a similar comment was made EVERY BALL, in an antagonistic manner, then that's probably crossing the line and ruining the bloke's Saturday, and hence sledging.
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Its hard to know where the line is, exactly, obviously, but as a rule of thumb I'd say that if its a joke that is shared between batsmen and fielders, then its banter, if its one-way traffic designed to annoy/upset/antagonise the batsman, personal insults that are thinly disguised as "humour", then its sledging and it really isn't welcome at any level.
As for the example you give, then it depends how it was said and in what context. If it was said once, with a smile, then that's fine and the bloke is clearly a bit of a crackpot for allowing that to put him off. If a similar comment was made EVERY BALL, in an antagonistic manner, then that's probably crossing the line and ruining the bloke's Saturday, and hence sledging.
Said that once, but there was a lot of chat towards him for blocking out at over 7 in the game after they lost 3 quick wickets chasing a sub-par total on a road. Although he did last 22 overs so cant have been that bad.
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And an end, please, to this idea that it is somehow okay not to walk when you know you've hit it. No, it isn't. It's a form of cheating.
I was always taught to walk as a kid. And for years I did - indeed, I usually still do, partly because it feels the right thing to do but more because the instinct is ingrained and I've usually take 2-3 steps before my brain says "whoa there boyo".
Have to be honest though, if I were started out again, I'd play to the umpire every ball and nothing more.
If fielding sides were going to call batsmen back when they've been given LBW to one they've clearly hit, to stop appealing for things that are never out etc (and, in some cases, to stop bringing umpires whose definition of the LBW law changes depending on which side is batting) then maybe. But having recently witnessed a side refuse to withdraw an LBW appeal, even though the player who had stepped in to umpire genuinely didn't know that a ball pitching outside leg couldn't be LBW, and even where they admitted that the ball had pitched a good six inches outside...
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I was once given out caught at slip off a wide yorker that hit the bowlers foot hole and flew sideways to 2nd slip. My bat never left my shoulder and never got within 6 foot of the ball.
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I was once given out caught at slip off a wide yorker that hit the bowlers foot hole and flew sideways to 2nd slip. My bat never left my shoulder and never got within 6 foot of the ball.
Haha that is bad. My worst was last year - wind blew the bails off with the ball a foot away. The oppo celebrated, and even gave some stick.
So no, I don't advocate walking. 😂
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I copped a load of abuse Saturday. Firstly from an oppo spinner after taking him to the cleaners, got an expletive laden rant about ruining his figures and that I should get the f out. He then followed it up when I was given not out on a run out by the umpire, who was a panel official, saying I was a certain type of goner. For what it's worth im certain I was in, so just said that I beg to differ. Their keeper was offering me 'advice' during my innings on my technique, nothing bad but just to unsettle me, so I recycled his lines at him about committing to shots etc when he batted.
I admit I am competitive, and will give as good as I get with a few gentle lines, but I would never go on swearing at an opponent or making things personal.
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Walking's a funny one. In football you play to the whistle, so why not in cricket? Trying to take the moral high ground is questionable IMO. People moan about 'being triggered' but then grumble about non walkers. If you leave it to the umps, dodgy and all, you really should have no complaints. They miss some that are out, and give some that aren't out, that's how it goes. If you really feel strongly about it, buy yourself a 'Bradman was a C-word' T-shirt, because he NEVER walked.
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But look at the state of football. Everyone falls over at the slightest whiff of contact and his has made the. Viewing spectacle poorer for it. Many umpires are clubbies and there are a number of difficult decisions to judge. Help out your club and build a reputation as a club that you are playing the game to the rules. If you hit it and it’s caught you’re out. End of. You shouldn’t have to rely on your own umpire not giving you or rely on an elderly league umpire not to hear it. Poor
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But look at the state of football. Everyone falls over at the slightest whiff of contact and his has made the. Viewing spectacle poorer for it. Many umpires are clubbies and there are a number of difficult decisions to judge. Help out your club and build a reputation as a club that you are playing the game to the rules. If you hit it and it’s caught you’re out. End of. You shouldn’t have to rely on your own umpire not giving you or rely on an elderly league umpire not to hear it. Poor
so, when was the last time you called a batsman back because you knew he'd been triggered?
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For the last two weeks we've had grief, first one last week was our skip kicking off at their umpire for calling a wicket that was a no-ball. This week it was about the use of the ball, oppo (home team) apparently always use a new ball between innings and our skipper wasn't having any of it.
Having not scored a run this season (too many poles, it's depressing) and these incidents makes me just take a month off which is what I'm doing..
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For the last two weeks we've had grief, first one last week was our skip kicking off at their umpire for calling a wicket that was a no-ball. This week it was about the use of the ball, oppo (home team) apparently always use a new ball between innings and our skipper wasn't having any of it.
Having not scored a run this season (too many poles, it's depressing) and these incidents makes me just take a month off which is what I'm doing..
Do people not always use a new ball for both innings? Surely it is just a huge advantage to bat second then, especially if you play with a good quality ball that will stay firm for the full overs.
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Do people not always use a new ball for both innings? Surely it is just a huge advantage to bat second then, especially if you play with a good quality ball that will stay firm for the full overs.
We bowled first with a Dukes that got absolutely battered. To be honest I'm too far away from it all to even care right now.
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so, when was the last time you called a batsman back because you knew he'd been triggered?
On 2 occasions last season I told the captain to rescind the appeal. He chose not to. It didn’t sit comfotably so h me.
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I don't play at a great level so for me walking is just part of what I think you should do. I can understand at higher levels when someone is being paid, ethics aren't as important to all players.
If I think a player has hit it and he doesn't walk I just ask them politely if they did. If they say they didn't I'll give them the benefit, sometimes your eyes and ears play tricks. If they admit to it, then they are happy for the umpire to be the sole judge and therefore I will appeal for anything I think he might give. I don't appeal unless I think it is close to being out lbw otherwise. I'll also apologise to a batsman if I appeal and I realise I have got it wrong.
Sledging is generally pretty boring and again, at my level, not acceptable in my opinion. I find it odd that you'd want to be rude to someone, usually who you don't know. The few times I get people commenting on my technique (no-one in my league has a decent technique) or other petty jibes, it has only served to focus me more and generally I bat better.
Some idiot the other day started moaning at me for re-attaching my thigh-guard strap after it came loose running a single. I hadn't yet faced a ball, we were clearly going to lose the game, what did he gain apart from me now thinking he is a (insert your own word).
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On 2 occasions last season I told the captain to rescind the appeal. He chose not to. It didn’t sit comfotably so h me.
If this is correct and you were the bowler, kudos - you'd be about the first! ;)
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I was t the bowler. I never/rarely bowl. It was when the team get together and the bowler/keeper says ‘that clipped his thigh pad not his bat’
I don’t care whether we win or lose. But I would rather lose than win knowing we had cheated. I would rather get a reputation as a fair team than be top of the table due to dodgy decisions.
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I was always taught to respect the umpires decision, good or bad, if I smash it on to my pad and I'm given out, I'm out, if I feather one down the leg side and get given not out, then I am not out. I wouldn't consider myself a cheat. I would take a different approach to a friendly or low grade game with a teammate umpiring, but I play with paid umpires and it's their call who is out and who isn't. Not mine and not the bowlers, I understand that might not be everyone's cup of tea, but I'm certainly not a cheat.
You were taught wrong.
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You were taught wrong.
It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?
Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?
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It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?
Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?
Walk. 100%. Totally not interested in winning by cheating, at any level.
Promotion to what?
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I don’t care whether we win or lose. But I would rather lose than win knowing we had cheated. I would rather get a reputation as a fair team than be top of the table due to dodgy decisions.
Laudable - but how do you reconcile that with the decisions that go the other way and teams who don't share your standards?
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You were taught wrong.
Ah, the absolute certainty of the keyboard warrior.
It might be better to preface your statement with "in my opinion", no?
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Laudable - but how do you reconcile that with the decisions that go the other way and teams who don't share your standards?
The other team won by cheating? Must feel fantastic for them, eh?
Wouldn't it be better to get straight down to it and have a fight? Are weapons allowed?
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Ah, the absolute certainty of the keyboard warrior.
It might be better to preface your statement with "in my opinion", no?
Absolutely not.
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I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).
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I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).
A true cricketer. Someone I suspect I'd find pleasure playing with - for or against.
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It is amazing how emotional the topic of 'walking' is in our beautiful game, no matter who you talk to or where you are talking about it, everyone has differing thoughts and passions about it etc....
For me, it is all about the level you are playing at and therefore the corresponding level of umpire.
If you are playing with a full panel umpire who is getting paid to be there etc.... then you have every right to stand your ground. The umpires are there to do a job, they are choosing to be there and getting paid to be there.
However, if you are playing a level of club cricket where there is an umpire/player who is just doing it for fun/volunteering etc..... then you should always walk.
From the above 2 scenerio's you accept what you get, the good with the bad decision's from both paid umpire's and volunteer's...... we have all seen many a bad decision from a panel umpire and also getting an lbw off a player umpiring can be near impossible some days - so you accept and good with the bad no matter what.
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I've said aim not going to walk anymore due to Getting so many bad decisions but I can't help it.
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I've said aim not going to walk anymore due to Getting so many bad decisions but I can't help it.
To be fair I do walk, but I have zero poker face when batting.
I think me turning round to see if the catch is taken as soon as I snick it and my immediate reaction would be a total giveaway :-[
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You were taught wrong.
That's the great thing about opinions, to me, you are wrong, but the difference is im not being arrogant or rude to strangers on an internet forum whilst claiming to be morally superior.
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I once feathered one. The keeper half heartedly appealed, no one else did. I didn’t walk and I have not forgotten it since. I still regret it as i still feel guilty. If I get a bad decision I feel that over time I will get other decisions that will go my way (LBW’s, close run outs etc).
I agree with this 100%. I feel you should do what feels right for you. What is the point in winning by cheating. Would you get a bat made a few mm wider and wait and see if anyone spotted it? Or use sandpaper to rough up the ball....oh wait....
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It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?
Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?
I'd walk every time if I knew I'd hit it regardless of what was on the line, would play on my mind for ages otherwise. I get it if other people don't want to walk, that's their prerogative but I always walk.
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"In my opinion" (covering my (No Swearing Please) here) I do agree that if an umpire is paid to do a job then it is for him to make the decisions, if he's not paid and volunteering then hopefully both teams will respect the situation and act accordingly. I understand why people would get frustrated but i'd rather see a few dodgy decisions go for either team over the course of the season just to give the game a bit of something, I have been on the end of a few bad decisions whilst bowling and i certainly don't get frustrated if a batsman doesn't walk as they usually know they were out and it plays on their mind enough for them to give you another chance.
But as i said its just my opinion on the cricket i play....
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Absolutely not.
Says it all.
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I'd walk every time if I knew I'd hit it regardless of what was on the line, would play on my mind for ages otherwise. I get it if other people don't want to walk, that's their prerogative but I always walk.
I think that's the key point in all this - can you live with the decision yourself?
Me personally I couldn't and if I feather behind and someone catches it I'm on my way. I did the same as @Gurujames once a long time ago where I definitely nicked it and didn't walk only to be given not out - I felt terrible for the rest of the game and haven't done it since.
I'm not sure what it says about the morals of people who are happy to get away with it knowing full well they're essentially cheating, and I don't buy this 'it evens itself up over time leave it to the umpire' stuff. In club cricket there's no excuse for it whatsoever in my opinion.
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Walking is not against the rules of cricket. So perhaps people should think of it not as cheating but as not being proactively honest ? Something that each individual can make a judgement call on whether they choose to engage in or not.
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I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.
If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
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Walking is not against the rules of cricket. So perhaps people should think of it not as cheating but as not being proactively honest ? Something that each individual can make a judgement call on whether they choose to engage in or not.
That's a good way of describing it.
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It's the individual's decision to walk or not, I'm fine with that when umpires are appointed. However, if said appointed umpire gives you out to a shocker you can't then moan about it. If you're happy to put the ball in their court with decisions, then you have to take the rough with the smooth.
When it's team mates umpiring then you should always walk, it's just not fair to put them in that position.
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Personally i see no difference at all between not walking when you know you have hit it and claiming a catch you know has bounced. Both are cheating in my book
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If you are a walker, you surely don't wait to see what the umpire has given. You hit it, see the catch and immediately walk towards the changing room, just like when you're bowled. Maybe a glance back to see if you have been given, out of curiosity.
A few umpires in our league wait for a few seconds to allow the batsman to walk. It gave me a nervous moment when I got a clear stumping!
I don't agree with the paid umpires argument. They aren't perfect, so honest cricketers help them. If the ball goes for 6 and it is tight, fielders usually let them know. If a catch falls short the fielder lets them know. I'm surprised it isn't more common in international cricket with DRS and media attention. Gilchrist is one of my favourite cricketers because he was so honest. I do love Athers too though.
If I didn't walk in a tight situation to win a cup or league, it would spoil it for me. I don't want to win like that. It isn't that important.
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do bowlers appeal for LBWs when they know there was as inside edge on to the pad? do fielders appeal for caught behind when the batsman misses it? yes.. so why is walking any different? its the umpires job to accept/reject appeals - nobody should walk, unless its a social game, where teams are self-umpiring.
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But Gilchrist admitted his policy was subject to situational variance...
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Different question for the ardent walkers:
1. You nick one. It looks really unclear whether it carried. The fielder claims it. You?
2. Your side get an LBW. The batsman walks off muttering that he hit it. You are captain...
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It's all well and good sitting behind a keyboard taking the moral high ground, but it's not always so clear cut is it?
Here's a scenario for you:
It's the last game of the season. The winner gets promoted while the loser misses out. You are butting in a run chase, and with 3 needed you feather one down the leg side. The umpire gives it not out, thinking it came off your thigh pad.
Do you walk and cost your side promotion or carry on batting?
Yes you walk otherwise you’re cheating to win.
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I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.
If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
Yes
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do bowlers appeal for LBWs when they know there was as inside edge on to the pad? do fielders appeal for caught behind when the batsman misses it? yes.. so why is walking any different? its the umpires job to accept/reject appeals - nobody should walk, unless its a social game, where teams are self-umpiring.
Unless you’re playing professional Cricket it’s a social game.. that’s kind of what’s amusing.. people see, to treat social Saturday’s as some form of excuse to pretend being competitive is to abuse and cheat to win. How about just play Cricket and if you’re better on the day you’ll win.. if not, you’ll lose.. at the end of the day all 22plauers are there as a hobby.. not to have someone they don’t know abuse them or cheat because they pretend they are some how more up for it. Or more competitive.
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Different question for the ardent walkers:
1. You nick one. It looks really unclear whether it carried. The fielder claims it. You?
2. Your side get an LBW. The batsman walks off muttering that he hit it. You are captain...
1. Yes
2. If he says he hit it but no one else did then no.. if it’s obvious the panel umpire is a clown.. bring him back a shot some idiot has just ruined his weekend (sadly happens a lot and does put people off playing)
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Unless you’re playing professional Cricket it’s a social game.. that’s kind of what’s amusing.. people see, to treat social Saturday’s as some form of excuse to pretend being competitive is to abuse and cheat to win. How about just play Cricket and if you’re better on the day you’ll win.. if not, you’ll lose.. at the end of the day all 22plauers are there as a hobby.. not to have someone they don’t know abuse them or cheat because they pretend they are some how more up for it. Or more competitive.
Amen.
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To @six and out yes, I’ve always walked, had an argument with a stumper during and after game as I walked for a thin nick, he smashed the vanilla of gave me a send off and still argued I was stumped after game.
Different question for the ardent walkers:
1. You nick one. It looks really unclear whether it carried. The fielder claims it. You?
2. Your side get an LBW. The batsman walks off muttering that he hit it. You are captain...
1) If I clearly see it’s not carried I’ll ask the umpire to make the decision, if I don’t have a clear view and the stumper claims I walk off.
Ask @HallamKeeper he took one quite low off me, I turned round to see him very low and start celebrating, he looked happy enough so a walked off.
2)
Midweek game, there umpire, massive inside edge, some of our players went up, umpire triggered him. Guy looked so dissapointed.
I looked at guy fielding near me and said “massive inside edge wasn’t it” he said yes. So I rescinded the appeal and bought him back.
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Anyone watching the football?? This is why our game is getting worse behaviour wise.. 22blokes all out there trying to con, influence and cheat. Barely any actual football
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Anyone watching the football?? This is why our game is getting worse behaviour wise.. 22blokes all out there trying to con, influence and cheat. Barely any actual football
I’m watching Rahul become the GOAT of t20 cricket......
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I’m watching Rahul become the GOAT of t20 cricket......
2020 sounds appealing compared to this behaviour .. England losing ?
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2020 sounds appealing compared to this behaviour .. England losing ?
England winning, Columbia have been embarrassing
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England winning, Columbia have been embarrassing
I meant the cricket. I’m still watching this ‘football’ game ..
Also, what’s everyone doing on sat if englsnd do win?? Given most teams will lose a shed load of players who will wa t to watch the footy
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2020 sounds appealing compared to this behaviour .. England losing ?
Rahul with a 53 ball ton. India need 4 with 14 left and 8 wickets in hand....
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Whoever says cheating never wins jut needs to watch Colombia .. it just got them a goal
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Whoever says cheating never wins jut needs to watch Colombia .. it just got them a goal
Haha yes
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Assume England go through ...
What’s everyone’s league doing about timings ?? Given if they don’t change a lot of players simply won’t play
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Shrubbery Somerset league say if both captains Agee the matches can be rearranged for any Sunday or bank holiday before 2 September.
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Well the worcs league haven't allowed change previously when England have played in big footsie games.
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Leagues with umpires will be different to lower leagues as umpires will have to agree
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Our league have said we can start early and have a long tea to coincide with the match
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Over half the 1’s have said unavailable unless we start early or have a long break.. over half the 2’s too..
3’s as well ..
Cricket this weekend for most teams (excluding paid players) will be a joke
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Our league have said we can start early and have a long tea to coincide with the match
Same here (Surrey)
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We've been told it's by agreement. Going to cause a lot of unrest.
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I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.
If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
It's never happened to me so can't comment. If there was no appeal I probably wouldn't walk if I'm honest.
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Different question for the ardent walkers:
1. You nick one. It looks really unclear whether it carried. The fielder claims it. You?
Not clear so I wait for the umpire to decide.
2. Your side get an LBW. The batsman walks off muttering that he hit it. You are captain...
If he clearly hit it I'd call him back. If it's not clear whether he hit it or whether it was bat or pad first then he goes.
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We've been told it's by agreement. Going to cause a lot of unrest.
Not heard anything about our league (4 Counties) but I don't see how you can start early and have an extended tea break.
Match is going to be between 3-5ish... and that's with no extra time and pens.... so how long a tea break do you have 2 hrs!!
It's going to be carnage on Saturday that's for sure with unavailability and everyone asking for the score/what happened etc... during the game whenever a noise goes up.
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We've already had two drop outs on Saturday due to the football
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Our league have said we can start early and have a long tea to coincide with the match
Club did that last time England football were in a big game it was a Sunday freindly started the match came off the pitch at kick off 22 plus blokes around the telly standing up sitting down all with an opinion couldnt hear a thing waste of time
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I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.
If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
I'm mostly a walker, which is to say if I know I've nicked it and there is a big appeal, then I don't wait for the decision, I instinctively start walking off.
However a) sometimes I'm not sure. I didn't feel something but there was a noise, so understand why they're appealing. In this case I wait and see what the umpire thinks.
b) a couple of times I've feathered one down the legside, no-one has appealed, and I've carried on. If there is no appeal then the instinct to walk doesn't kick in.
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do bowlers appeal for LBWs when they know there was as inside edge on to the pad? do fielders appeal for caught behind when the batsman misses it?
No? I don't, anyway. You might start to appeal out of instinct and then cut yourself off and apologise to the batsman.
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I am interested to know from all the guys on here that have said they are 'walkers'.
If you hit it and no one appeals... ie. You are the only one who knows... No one has a clue etc... Do you still walk off.... to everyone's surprise??
Yup.
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When there's proper umpires, I'm not too fussed about whether batsmen walk or not. In games without umpires, funnily enough non-walkers always seem to coincide with teams where players umpiring won't give their own players out. Wouldn't be much point in me sticking around if I nick one as I know the finger would be going up quickly enough anyway!
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The league used to allocate the club when we were at home the same umpires used to be a couple who were nicknamed the fastest finger first because they would look at there watches and once it turned 6.30pm when ball the hit your pads you knew what was coming
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to a degree being exposed to competitive league cricket played by men where mistakes had consequences and just trying your best wasn't always good enough shaped my love for the game
i was treated just the same as any other player, criticism when you could and should have done better and when you made a contribution you felt 10feet tall from the respect and praise from the senior guys on the team
there is clearly a balance and i get that some people have different ideas of how competitive they want their cricket but growing up playing 2nd XI league cricket as a kid was character forming...it wasnt an easy ride of hand holding and blokes modifying their behaviour or skill levels to your level
experiencing conflict, dealing with poor sportsmanship, finding your own way to tough things out...all within the context of a game and on a pitch that you walk off at the end of the day isnt easy but it has its rewards
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to a degree being exposed to competitive league cricket played by men where mistakes had consequences and just trying your best wasn't always good enough shaped my love for the game
i was treated just the same as any other player, criticism when you could and should have done better and when you made a contribution you felt 10feet tall from the respect and praise from the senior guys on the team
there is clearly a balance and i get that some people have different ideas of how competitive they want their cricket but growing up playing 2nd XI league cricket as a kid was character forming...it wasnt an easy ride of hand holding and blokes modifying their behaviour or skill levels to your level
experiencing conflict, dealing with poor sportsmanship, finding your own way to tough things out...all within the context of a game and on a pitch that you walk off at the end of the day isnt easy but it has its rewards
Does competitive have to be abusive, though? You can bowl a quick bouncer and follow it up with a glare, but do you really have to comment on the sexuality and parentage of the batsman, and then have all the slips join in with thinly-veiled threats?
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Just seen This on Twitter ... anyone play in this league??
Do you think more will follow suit?
https://twitter.com/RibblesdaleCL/status/1014582359562342400?s=19
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Just seen This on Twitter ... anyone play in this league??
Do you think more will follow suit?
https://twitter.com/RibblesdaleCL/status/1014582359562342400?s=19
You would doubt the bigger leagues would follow suit. Can't remember ever having a league fixture rearranged ever, and I can't think myself of a valid reason to do so..
It's quite simple, if players want to watch the football, and I totally get why they would, they have to concede the fixture.
In an ideal world, you know you only got 7 players, turn up at the oppo and none of them have turned up, claim the ten points and get down the pub :)
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That's farcical, looks like quite a few pissed off clubs in there!
In Bristol the league's gone for the compromise option and allowed clubs to move start times and/or drop overs to allow for football. We're playing 40 overs with an early start and ridiculously long tea, our 2s are starting a 35 over game at 10.30am! Could catch on that...
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30 overs from 11am for us. Turn straight around & tea in the pub with the Match
Keen village cricketers give up their Saturdays all summer for years at a time - it’s not fair to give up the biggest football match in 22 years as well.
That said I’m sure I played Armitage away in 1996 when England beat Spain on pens - in a friendly timed game
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Our league has moved the games to the 2nd September. I wouldn’t have missed the cricket to watch the football.
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Our league has said games can start as early as 10am (usually 1.30pm) and/or can play T20 provided, in both cases, both teams agree.
Its entirely sensible. Countless players would have made themselves unavailable across a league that is losing players monthly. By doing this it ensures shorter games with strong teams which in my eyes doesn't compromise the integrity of the league. Otherwise we'd have teams fielding weakened teams of 8 or so players and teams being docked points for not turning up.
The league has gone up in many teams estimations, judging by the email responses.as such, we're starting at T20 game at noon, with tea in the clubhouse afterwards to accompany the game.
Leagues have to guage the mood of the playing public. Leagues need to leave their egos at the door and make a sensible, popular decision.
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It is a no-win situation for exec committees. Keep the fixtures as they are and half the players won't play. Allow them to be moved and the other half will complain about bending over backwards to accommodate football.
My league has allowed teams to agree to earlier start times or s longer tea break which seems the most sensible option but there is still criticism from players on both sides of the fence
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to a degree being exposed to competitive league cricket played by men where mistakes had consequences and just trying your best wasn't always good enough shaped my love for the game
i was treated just the same as any other player, criticism when you could and should have done better and when you made a contribution you felt 10feet tall from the respect and praise from the senior guys on the team
there is clearly a balance and i get that some people have different ideas of how competitive they want their cricket but growing up playing 2nd XI league cricket as a kid was character forming...it wasnt an easy ride of hand holding and blokes modifying their behaviour or skill levels to your level
experiencing conflict, dealing with poor sportsmanship, finding your own way to tough things out...all within the context of a game and on a pitch that you walk off at the end of the day isnt easy but it has its rewards
I would agree entirely with this. Being exposed to league cricket from the age of 14 was character forming both inside and outside of sport
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Both our 1st and 2nd team games on Saturday are cancelled because the oppo refused to play. Which is (No Swearing Please) (No Swearing Please) for the players who were looking forward to an enjoyable Saturday of cricket in this beautiful weather.
What an absolute joke. I bet football leagues didn't cancel a round of fixtures when England got to the cricket world cup final in 2016.
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30 overs from 11am for us. Turn straight around & tea in the pub with the Match
Keen village cricketers give up their Saturdays all summer for years at a time - it’s not fair to give up the biggest football match in 22 years as well.
That said I’m sure I played Armitage away in 1996 when England beat Spain on pens - in a friendly timed game
22 years? Didn't we get to the quarters in 2006? That's 12 years.
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We have a T20 game scheduled for Wednesday evening that I am looking forward to. So I'll be enthusiastically cheering on Sweden on Saturday.
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It is a no-win situation for exec committees. Keep the fixtures as they are and half the players won't play. Allow them to be moved and the other half will complain about bending over backwards to accommodate football.
My league has allowed teams to agree to earlier start times or s longer tea break which seems the most sensible option but there is still criticism from players on both sides of the fence
Yep definitely, no win situation, there are 2 sides to this completely.
I have spoken to our captain this morning and we aren't changing at all - still 1.30pm start (although i am not playing as i have a suspected broken toe), the league apparently haven't said anything so our usual rules apply - you can start at 12.30pm if everyone agrees - that isn't going to make a difference though with KO at 3pm.
It will certainly be interesting what sides people put out - and how many games get conceded etc....
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22 years? Didn't we get to the quarters in 2006? That's 12 years.
My mistake. I must have blocked that one out.
Can’t remember who we played that day... I’d have been somewhere in Yorkshire.
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Assume England go through ...
What’s everyone’s league doing about timings ?? Given if they don’t change a lot of players simply won’t play
Well the worcs league haven't allowed change previously when England have played in big footsie games.
We've (Worcs County League) have been told it's up to an agreement between both teams. Early start (11am) and a 10 min turnaround between innings to get a few overs in before the footballerising begins whereupon we'll have up to a 3 hour tea break depending on whether it goes to penalties or not.
We're away this weekend so I'm not looking forward to trying to cobble together a full XI at 9am on a Saturday morning.
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I would agree entirely with this. Being exposed to league cricket from the age of 14 was character forming both inside and outside of sport
I remember the first time I got called up to the 1st team - they were short, rather than nodding to my ability. This was the mid-80s, I was about 16. I came in at 11 for the final 9 balls, as we desperately fought for a draw against Old Sinjuns.
The No. 9 - a senior player - made no effort to get me off strike for the final over, though we both knew it would be bowled by P. Goldberg, the fastest and best bowler in the division by some distance. So, I took guard and managed to deal with the first 4 balls. 3 I didn't see, but they missed. The 4th was a Yorker I dug out. The 5th hit me on the front pad, massive shout, not given. The final ball clean bowled me but was called as a no-ball. Suffering prolonged.
Properly fired up, Goldberg tore in again, and bowled me again. Game over. I walked off in some shock, and nobody talked to me at all for about half an hour. Mental. Welcome to the 1s !
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Great story. The number 9 chickened out of facing, that is pathetic.
When I wanted to play league cricket, I was at school playing first team cricket, but my normal club weren't interested at any level. I ended up playing for a local village club where someone stood down so I could play.
I scored my first ton that day and still play for the club when I can 23 years later.
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That's farcical, looks like quite a few pissed off clubs in there!
In Bristol the league's gone for the compromise option and allowed clubs to move start times and/or drop overs to allow for football. We're playing 40 overs with an early start and ridiculously long tea, our 2s are starting a 35 over game at 10.30am! Could catch on that...
Bris 2's are starting at 9am tomorrow
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starting at 12, break at 3. loooooong tea break and then back out to finish the game.
quite simply, we will have to try and bowl them out, knock them off and then it's England and beer o clock
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Bris 2's are starting at 9am tomorrow
That is some commitment on a Saturday morning! You wonder what'll happen if everyone starts early and it's a massive success, next vote on start times could be interesting.
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starting at 12, break at 3. loooooong tea break and then back out to finish the game.
quite simply, we will have to try and bowl them out, knock them off and then it's England and beer o clock
Same with us. I'd prefer to just have a T20 in the morning then get on the beers and watch the football tbh!
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We have been allowed to start at 10am and play 30/30 with the aim to finish at 2. I don't care about the football but am really looking forward to having a Saturday afternoon and evening.
I don't know many in our league who don't want to start at 11 or 12 and finish no later than 6 every week. But it still starts at 1.30 each week. I think I will play maybe one more season if it doesn't change to allow people a Saturday evening with friends and family. I'd rather a Saturday night than a Saturday morning.
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With you on the 12 pm start and 6pm finish especially in August onwards.
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I’d happily start at 1030/1100 as mornings are just wasted. Evenings free would be better
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Going to have to disagree with the earlier start.
I work Mon-Fri and don’t get home until 6-6:15. Starting at 1 let’s me spend the morning with my son before the game and to me that time is more important than a game of cricket.
He’s in bed by 7-7:30 so I’d lose all chance of seeing him.
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I definitely think Saturdays game should start early@10.30 because of the footy.
Could have an extended break at kick off
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Going to have to disagree with the earlier start.
I work Mon-Fri and don’t get home until 6-6:15. Starting at 1 let’s me spend the morning with my son before the game and to me that time is more important than a game of cricket.
He’s in bed by 7-7:30 so I’d lose all chance of seeing him.
I completely understand that and I know some people have to work Saturday mornings. It is just for me and quite a few other people without families that are turned off the game by the anti-social demands. I think shortening the day would be good, even if we start as late as we do. The game needs to think about keeping up with the modern trend of time-poor people.
I'd like to see the lower-standard leagues consider mixing up the season. Maybe half 45 over matches and the other half 30 or 25 over matches.
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Great story. The number 9 chickened out of facing, that is pathetic.
When I wanted to play league cricket, I was at school playing first team cricket, but my normal club weren't interested at any level. I ended up playing for a local village club where someone stood down so I could play.
I scored my first ton that day and still play for the club when I can 23 years later.
Nice to hear how people started out.
For me, it was a brutal introduction. At the last junior pre-season net session I wasn't given a bat. As we were packing up at the end, the coach asked me where the proverbials I was going as I needed to stay on to net with the seniors if I was going to play for the ones.
Two weeks later, a fairly terrified 13 year old was sent out to open with our pro, against a wily left arm seamer and a West Indian who bowled serious gas. I still don't think I've made a more satisfying 17 off 51 (even if the only run in front of square was a leading edge!)
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Those teams starting early this Saturday and watching the football.I bet we all get the club moaner who would rather carry on playing and tells everyone "I told you we were gonna lose".
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We're starting at 11.30 tomorrow morning with an extended break to watch the football.
What's best under those circumstances, batting or bowling first... Hmmm ???
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We're starting at 9am tomorrow. Glad we're playing at home at least...
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We're starting at 11.30 tomorrow morning with an extended break to watch the football.
What's best under those circumstances, batting or bowling first... Hmmm ???
We're going for 0900, same question.
I'm thinking bat. People might be carefree later on...
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We're going for 0900, same question.
I'm thinking bat. People might be carefree later on...
i just wrote this on the other thread.......
"The thing i find most interesting about this is the leagues/clubs that have said they are going to stop for the football and have an extended tea break, are they -
a) starting at a time so extended tea is half way through/during the 2nd innings?
b) reduced the overs enough so that you will be finished by 8ish?
i say this because you can't bank on the game not going to penalties because you aren't going to be able to pull wild horses away from the game if it goes to extra time and penalties, then the game isn't finishing till approx 5.45pm.... so batting 2nd becomes a real disadvantage due to light etc...."
....definitely bat 1st