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Equipment => Helmets => Topic started by: Mfarank on September 04, 2019, 11:16:53 AM
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Hey guys. please check out my thoughts on this upcoming helmet. It is soon going to be the first brand from Pakistan to conform to BS7928:2013. as of yet, this is their top of the range helmet and costs less than GBP20 excluding postage. I gave them a try because they stand apart from those who make garbage replicas of masuris and shreys in the region
https://youtu.be/KKpcU6SP61k (https://youtu.be/KKpcU6SP61k)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjN6G7L6/1.jpg)
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https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/helmets (https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/helmets)
Not on the list.
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https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/helmets (https://www.icc-cricket.com/about/cricket/rules-and-regulations/helmets)
Not on the list.
Its not on the list because it doesn't conform to the standard yet. I said soon to be because they're in the process. Please watch the video :)
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So, how does this "stand apart from those who make garbage replicas of masuris and shreys" exactly?
It looks like a cheap replica of a Shrey to me...
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So, how does this "stand apart from those who make garbage replicas of masuris and shreys" exactly?
It looks like a cheap replica of a Shrey to me...
Because i have seen the cheap replicas and i have used the best shrey has to offer and i have used this. There is a big difference between taking inspiration and ripping off.
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Less than £20 is that right? Surely they dont all come in that camo design?
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So the peak is flexing from pushing a ball through by hand.
This is not 'almost there' as suggested in the video. The test involves firing a ball at high speed from near point blank range.
The helmet will require a redesign, and a price rise as a result.
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So the peak is flexing from pushing a ball through by hand.
This is not 'almost there' as suggested in the video. The test involves firing a ball at high speed from near point blank range.
The helmet will require a redesign, and a price rise as a result.
That is indeed true. It does flex and in a test it is likely to fail. Though i feel a stronger material used could change that dramatically. And offcourse the cost will increase as the compliance comes. It is still decent option for amateur cricket
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Less than £20 is that right? Surely they dont all come in that camo design?
That is correct. And they have about 4 different types of camo designs. And they can also do a complete custom job for whatever you want it to look like. My teammate has ordered one with the PCB logo on it
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@Mfarank are you an owner or just on commission? ;)
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@Mfarank are you an owner or just on commission? ;)
None of the above actually. They just caught my eye and im glad someone from my country is finally attempting to get the BSI certification. They used to make helmets compliant with the 1999 standard before and I have been guiding and encouraging the owner to get accreditation and arranged a copy of the 7928:2013 standard for them.
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@Mfarank are you an owner or just on commission? ;)
I actually purchased the helmet at full price just to review it, and will be giving it away to a teammate who cant afford a decent helmet
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They stand apart from those who make garbage replicas of masuris and shreys in the region
It's a shrey looking helmet with a masuri looking grille that they are selling and making profit on at 20 quid..
it might look nice, but they need to be cutting an outrageous amount of safety and quality corners to do so.
you get what you pay for, especially when it comes to safety equipment.
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It's a shrey looking helmet with a masuri looking grille that they are selling and making profit on at 20 quid..
it might look nice, but they need to be cutting an outrageous amount of safety and quality corners to do so.
you get what you pay for, especially when it comes to safety equipment.
I cant disagree to that. But you gotta understand the region to know what im talking about. Everyone is trying to make counterfeit shreys and masuris. The shell is shrey inspired but the faceguard is more like Forma than masuri. As i mentioned in the video, i cant recommend it for 100% safety but it gets full marks for build quality.
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There’s a big problem here that everyone is ignoring!!
Why on earth did you film in portrait dude?? Landscape on YouTube!!
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There’s a big problem here that everyone is ignoring!!
Why on earth did you film in portrait dude?? Landscape on YouTube!!
Hahaha wifey shot the video on her smartphone. Trying different options. Beats the gopro attached to the head i was doing before. Open to suggestions to improve. Really love what Marc from cricketbatinfo is doing and im trying to do the same for the middle east region
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The peak bent with a little bit of force from a ball. I wouldn't want this anywhere near my kit bag...
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The peak bent with a little bit of force from a ball. I wouldn't want this anywhere near my kit bag...
Not a little bit force actually. I was using a considering amount of force and the flex is only in the corners. Doesnt flex from the front. The ball still cannot be forced through the gap by hand even with considerable force. In comparison, i used to own an albion original 98 and the ball would easily go into the gap with little force
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So it's cheaply made, isn't safe and looks similar to other things on the market.
What differentiates it from the previously mentioned crappy imitations?
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I thought you were going to say the real problem was using the weighing scales on a fluffy rug :D
Appreciate the effort on the video but light, flimsy and cheap isn’t a confidence inspiring combo. Do they really plan to get the helmet tested? It would be a big effort and expense for such a cheap product and can’t make good business sense (moral sense aside).
Also, if you do more review videos then it is good to have a disclaimer if you are trying to promote a product and have involvement to help transparency (sorry if I missed that bit the video was a bit long so I was skipping)
Im not trying to promote the product in any way. Whats in the video is just my honest opinion on it. It is targetted towards a region where most people cannot afford gbp20 on a helmet. 99.9% of the garbage in pakistani local market is absolutely useless. This helmet is light, but it is not flimsy or cheap looking in any way. They're not testing this particular model for sure, but they're using the standard to make necessary changes to this design to make it "safe". Only time will tell whether they can succeed or not.
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Well done on doing a video @Mfarank , not the easiest thing to do.
I personally find it amazing they can produce a helmet for that price, regardless of region/target audience
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Well done on doing a video @Mfarank , not the easiest thing to do.
I personally find it amazing they can produce a helmet for that price, regardless of region/target audience
Thanks mate 😊
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First of all the review is good. I agree is not easy to make these videos.
From product standpoint - a helmet does last for some time. So its better to spend more and get a better product where one is secure. no guarantee how safe the shell is.
So if the company wants to cater to the market where people will blindly buy looking at the looks, want double grill just for the heck of it, and don't want to spend money - it will work in that segment.
Still personally i feel something like helmet, buy a decent one to start with and be safe and have a good product that will stay in good condition after usage.
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From product standpoint - a helmet does last for some time. So its better to spend more and get a better product where one is secure. no guarantee how safe the shell is.
Still personally i feel something like helmet, buy a decent one to start with and be safe and have a good product that will stay in good condition after usage.
I just got a new GN helmet for our junior team. Here's a snippet of what is written in the instructions : -
Gray Nicolls reccomend replacing your helmet protector:
- after a severe impact from a cricket ball.
- after a hard knock or squashing it.
- after 2 years. Even with careful use, the performance of the product may diminish.
So even if you buy a 'quality' helmet, if you go by the book, you're up for a new helmet every 2 years maximum.
Everyone will have their own opinion on when to replace a 'perfectly good' helmet, so I can certainly see a spot in the market for a cheap helmet, particularly when the makers of the more expensive ones admit that they are not built to last.
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None of the above actually. They just caught my eye and im glad someone from my country is finally attempting to get the BSI certification. They used to make helmets compliant with the 1999 standard before and I have been guiding and encouraging the owner to get accreditation and arranged a copy of the 7928:2013 standard for them.
No cricket helmet has ever been manufactured to any BS standard in Pakistan.
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No cricket helmet has ever been manufactured to any BS standard in Pakistan.
No Pakistani branded helmet has ever been manufactured to any BS standard. Alot of manufacturing is outsourced though
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No Pakistani branded helmet has ever been manufactured to any BS standard. Alot of manufacturing is outsourced though
Have MST ever manufactured a cricket helmet to BS standards?
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Have MST ever manufactured a cricket helmet to BS standards?
As per the owner, They used to produce to the 1999 standard for a well known brand at the time.
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As per the owner, They used to produce to the 1999 standard for a well known brand at the time.
There is no BS Standard 1999 for cricket helmets.
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There is no BS Standard 1999 for cricket helmets.
There is one actually. I had an albion original 98 and it did comply with the 1999 standard. It said on the box and inside the shell.
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There is one actually. I had an albion original 98 and it did comply with the 1999 standard. It said on the box and inside the shell.
BSI are unaware of standard 1999 https://shop.bsigroup.com/SearchResults/?q=BS%207928
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BSI are unaware of standard 1999 https://shop.bsigroup.com/SearchResults/?q=BS%207928
My bad. 1998 not 1999 :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFjTR4Zj/Screenshot-20190905-094659-01.jpg)
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My bad. 1998 not 1999 :)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NFjTR4Zj/Screenshot-20190905-094659-01.jpg)
Albion went to alot of trouble to print 1999 packaging ;)
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BS7928:1998 was superseded by BS7928:2013 that includes the penetration test aspect of it. To pass the 1998 you had to perform under a level in a drop test that was carried out twice on the same area of impact.
It’s a bit of a throw away comment regarding the ripping off of other brands as they have used the same old shape/style from others and just bastardised it in some manner then Added their own logo to it.
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when I first started in the helmet market Slazenger were the main seller in the market with a £16 helmet made for £3 at cost which shows the lack of attention that was being paid to the safety aspects at the time and why the standard was updated.
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BS7928:1998 was superseded by BS7928:2013 that includes the penetration test aspect of it. To pass the 1998 you had to perform under a level in a drop test that was carried out twice on the same area of impact.
It’s a bit of a throw away comment regarding the ripping off of other brands as they have used the same old shape/style from others and just bastardised it in some manner then Added their own logo to it.
Well at the very least they put their own logo on it considering what happens in the region im sure you know lol. Unless shrey have a copyright on the shell design and masuri have a copyright on the eyeline grill, i dont see a problem with their design. Its neat
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Well at the very least they put their own logo on it considering what happens in the region im sure you know lol. Unless shrey have a copyright on the shell design and masuri have a copyright on the eyeline grill, i dont see a problem with their design. Its neat
I do not know of a single testing house that will even dare test a helmet that infringes on copyright.
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http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45525.0 (http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45525.0)
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[url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45525.0[/url] ([url]http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=45525.0[/url])
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Yup i had my pitchfork out and was in deep argument with the owner of MST and encouraging him to get hold of the standard which he eventually did. I'd say if this company ends up making a compliant helmet, it will be a joint cbf effort
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I’ve been consulting to another cricket brand in order to help them design a helmet that will pass the latest safety standard, knowing the end goal certainly helps!
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Yup i had my pitchfork out and was in deep argument with the owner of MST and encouraging him to get hold of the standard which he eventually did. I'd say if this company ends up making a compliant helmet, it will be a joint cbf effort
Have MST been appointed a certification officer yet for testing purposes?
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Have MST been appointed a certification officer yet for testing purposes?
Not yet. After i provided my feedback on their helmet, they have gone back to the drawing board with a copy of the standard in hand and are resigning from scratch