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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: thegowerwaft on October 17, 2021, 03:10:19 PM
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Well played Oman. Scotland having a torrid time.
Looking forward to seeing lots of new players in this tournament and the return of some old favourites (Stirling for Ireland being just one).
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Not sure how long it will be up but highlights have appeared on YouTube:
https://youtu.be/6NN4RgR9Cd8
Well played Chris Greaves! Reverse hit 6 was quite special.
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Fairly comprehensive reply to those who doubt the value the associate teams bring to the big competitions.
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Fairly comprehensive reply to those who doubt the value the associate teams bring to the big competitions.
Absolutely. Really bad development for the game when moves are taken to restrict the associate nations
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Looking forward to Netherlands Vs Ireland.
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Very pleased with Scotland winning against BD. The kind of pitches they were preparing at home where they defeated Aus and NZ just did not prepare their batsmen properly. Those were rank turners where a sub 100 score was defendable! Those wins just inflated their egos but did nothing for them from a prep point of view. It clearly showed yesterday in their chase. Scots played really well, so of course credit to them.
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BEST WORLD CUP EVER :D :D
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Warner gets a first baller against NZ in the practice game....looks like form is permanent and class is temporary in his case! :D
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Eng Vs India warm up game looks like a good finish being lined up. 35 needed from 24.
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Was gonna say Jordan's such a better death bowler from days gone, then a no ball 4 followed by a free hit 4 throws it all away
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BEST WORLD CUP EVER :D :D
https://twitter.com/CricketScotland/status/1450002712146370563
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https://twitter.com/CricketScotland/status/1450002712146370563
Massively enjoyed all the salty Bangladesh fans talking about how "disrespectful" it is 😂
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Eyes on Italy for me with a bit of mixed ancestry, there are at least a couple of genuine sounding Italians in the team along with a mixed bag of others, inciuding Jade Dernbach unfortunatley.
But seriously Could England play without Morgan? Seems the idea is open in the media as a possibility for Eoin himself.
Great Captain, really great but in a 20 over game could a better player have more of an impact?
Livingstone has to be in for me, and Jordan
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Scenes if Bangladesh go out here.
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Interesting game on between Namibia and the Netherlands
As for England I'm not sure if having Malan at first drop in the powerplay is such a good idea, quite evident that in these conditions it's so, so crucial to winning games.
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Eyes on Italy for me with a bit of mixed ancestry, there are at least a couple of genuine sounding Italians in the team along with a mixed bag of others, inciuding Jade Dernbach unfortunatley.
But seriously Could England play without Morgan? Seems the idea is open in the media as a possibility for Eoin himself.
Great Captain, really great but in a 20 over game could a better player have more of an impact?
Livingstone has to be in for me, and Jordan
The genuine sounding Italians aren’t very Italian. If you mean Gian and the lad Grassi?
I have thoroughly enjoyed watching Jersey beat the Italian and German sides with their ring ins.
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Is this on the telly anywhere?
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Sky
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Delighted to see the Dutch side of rings ins pumped too. Go the home grown boys( with the odd exception)!
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Ind - Aus warm up match and India won convincingly. Opened up with spin in the power play and got 3 early wickets, they're going to be tough opposition to beat I think.
Only watched 20 mins of Englands warm up so far and Jason Roy danced around a straight one, first ball of the match. Not good.
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What a start for Ireland
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Ind - Aus warm up match and India won convincingly. Opened up with spin in the power play and got 3 early wickets, they're going to be tough opposition to beat I think.
In all recent ICC tournaments, Ind had close to 100% wins in league games but faltered in some playoff game (bit like SA in past). So not surprising to see Ind beat Eng and Aus in warmup games convincingly. Not sure if they can go the distance though as T20 is even more unpredictable than ODIs and anyone can beat anyone on a given day.
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Interesting game on between Namibia and the Netherlands
As for England I'm not sure if having Malan at first drop in the powerplay is such a good idea, quite evident that in these conditions it's so, so crucial to winning games.
Wow! Namibia and Netherlands have international cricket teams?
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The genuine sounding Italians aren’t very Italian. If you mean Gian and the lad Grassi?
I have thoroughly enjoyed watching Jersey beat the Italian and German sides with their ring ins.
Yes indeed I’m not sure of the qualification but there’s all sorts making up some of the teams.
I have an Italian Grandmother so I haven’t given up hope of International recognition despite being past it and 55 !
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A passport or residency. Somewhat favours countries that throw out passports like confetti and had emigration to cricket playing countries.
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Yes indeed I’m not sure of the qualification but there’s all sorts making up some of the teams.
I have an Italian Grandmother so I haven’t given up hope of International recognition despite being past it and 55 !
Dernbachs mum is Italian in fairness to him.
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Dernbachs mum is Italian in fairness to him.
It’s not really a dernbach thing, I’d say 7/8 of the Italian starting 11 are ‘Italian’ by interiors passport only. I get why sides do it, it’s just not really healthy for growth of the game.
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It’s not really a dernbach thing, I’d say 7/8 of the Italian starting 11 are ‘Italian’ by interiors passport only. I get why sides do it, it’s just not really healthy for growth of the game.
I was referring to the post which mentioned his selection. Gareth Berg for example has done good for Italian cricket whether he's a legitimate italian or not. I can understand people's annoyances but at the same time it's helping to get more international sides involved which surely we're all for.
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Dernbach is indeed more qualified than almost all the Italian team. I remember thinking similar thoughts a while back seeing the Canadian team-a lot of non Canadians.
You’re right it’s not ideal but the overall exposure in a World Cup might benefit overall.
I think Kenya did have a test side so again with the African counties like Namibia potential exposure on TV might work.
Personally I can’t see any negatives expanding the game.
At the moment the financial control of the game and therefore how it runs is deceieded by very few Countries, you could argue it’s just one.
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If these guys are also aiding the development of the wider squads which include more homegrown players then there's also value there. For all that Dernbach isn't exactly a world beater, he's got enormous experience to pass on to the Italian players he's training and playing with.
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I agree that 1-2 guys playing FC cricket in a squad is probably of benifit, but the likes of Italy often end up fielding a side were barely 2-3 of the 11 actually play their cricket in Italy, and if Australia was open for travel there would be even fewer this time too. So it’s a pretty short term fix and massively favourable to countries that give out passports easier and have had emigration to strong cricket countries. None of which is really related to the health of the game domestically in that country.
I get why teams do it, I just don’t really agree with or like it.
Same goes for the likes of Oman or Netherlands at the WC, I’d far rather see a side with mostly home produced players there and gaining from the experience.
I feel that the ICC funding for national side performance, for associates anyway, should have a heavy weighting on the number of home grown players in the side. Something that reflects the strength of cricket in that country, and rewards work to develop it. Rather than just writing a cheque to some bloke playing grade cricket who has an inherited dual nationality.
My kids have British passports, if they grow up to be good biathletes or cross country skiers they could probably represent the U.K., but they’re no more British than our neighbours, speak no English, and would be no reflection on the work being done within the British skiing community.
It’s just an opinion, but I’ll die on this particular hill if need be 🤣
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It was a shame to see the volume of imports in the Namibia-NL game, the odd guy qualifying seems fair enough but when it's nearly half a team it makes a bit of a mockery.
I actually will soon qualify to play for Turkey, who are ranked 81st in the world at T20I. I'm pretty sure I'm more than good enough to make their team and potentially even do ok on the field, but they currently field a full team of actual Turkish players. Wouldn't really blame them if they told me to get lost!
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It was a shame to see the volume of imports in the Namibia-NL game, the odd guy qualifying seems fair enough but when it's nearly half a team it makes a bit of a mockery.
I actually will soon qualify to play for Turkey, who are ranked 81st in the world at T20I. I'm pretty sure I'm more than good enough to make their team and potentially even do ok on the field, but they currently field a full team of actual Turkish players. Wouldn't really blame them if they told me to get lost!
The Namibians aren’t too bad are they, a couple of them are maybe more South African than Namibian, but it’s a touch more blurred lines when it’s a neighbouring land. The Dutch side on the other hand, I reckon only 2/3 of them had even played cricket in the Netherlands before turning pro.
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all of the lower tier nations have to import players to increase the quality, just think where englands rugby/cricket teams would be without southern hemisphere players. its a matter of time before football in this country catches up does the same thing.
i see it as a good thing that older players can help other countries develop their game, as long as it doesnt become 4 players and 7 fielders.
Ireland look like they have gone backwards in the last few years, i would have expected them to be fairly dominant but apart from a few moments they are no better than the rest.
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Big match today .... Scot vs Oman! I think BD will definitely beat PNG, no contest there. But if Oman beat Scot then all 3 teams will be on 4 points. Oman has a better NRR than BD right now so definitely BD need to win big.
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Big match today .... Scot vs Oman! I think BD will definitely beat PNG, no contest there. But if Oman beat Scot then all 3 teams will be on 4 points. Oman has a better NRR than BD right now so definitely BD need to win big.
Unless Bangladesh scrape home against PNG then they'll be going through on NRR. Scotland's NRR isn't great so if they don't beat Oman most likely result is Bangladesh and Oman going through.
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Too much for Papua New Guinea you feel
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Those last few balls just killed any momentum. Take something special for PNG to get close now.
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all of the lower tier nations have to import players to increase the quality, just think where englands rugby/cricket teams would be without southern hemisphere players. its a matter of time before football in this country catches up does the same thing.
i see it as a good thing that older players can help other countries develop their game, as long as it doesnt become 4 players and 7 fielders.
Ireland look like they have gone backwards in the last few years, i would have expected them to be fairly dominant but apart from a few moments they are no better than the rest.
Have to?
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Oman showing their inexperience here. The winner will probably get thrashed by the big teams anyways but atleast this makes for entertaining viewing.
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Oman showing their inexperience here. The winner will probably get thrashed by the big teams anyways but atleast this makes for entertaining viewing.
Think Scotland have the ingredients to cause an upset if they can bring this one home.
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Don't see them beating India, Pakistan or New Zealand. Maybe Afghanistan and Sri Lanka...
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Don't see them beating India, Pakistan or New Zealand. Maybe Afghanistan and Sri Lanka...
Mostly likely Namibia or Ireland rather than SL, unless they chuck it ba the Dutch to get in that group
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Don't see them beating India, Pakistan or New Zealand. Maybe Afghanistan and Sri Lanka...
They've beaten Afghanistan before, MacLeod took Rashid Khan apart and I'd back them to beat either Ireland or Namibia on forn. Agree India and NZ are probably a step too far, Pakistan love an off day though...
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Also didn’t see us beating Bangladesh, and certainly not in these conditions.
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Also didn’t see us beating Bangladesh, and certainly not in these conditions.
Fun fact is that we've never played them in a T20I.
Still backing us to top the group comfortably, there isn't one opposition bowler I think the England top order fears. Then again, they could all throw a spanner in the works by opening with left arm spin...
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I think the big dilemma for England with Stokes and Curran out is if they go batting or bowling heavy.
I imagine the choice is Malan at 3 and Mo at 7, or Mo at 3 and Willey/Woakes at 7.
Neither of them are really good enough for 7 (in T20) especially with Morgan batting in binary, but then Mo/Livingstone as bowlers 5/6 is a bit sub optimal too.
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Bairstow 3 isn't a terrible shout either. Buttler, Roy, Bairstow, Mo, Livingstone, Morgan isn't a bad top 6. Jordan, Woakes and Rashid can all hold a bat too.
Edit: Just tried to work out my ideal team from the squad and best balance I've come up with was
Buttler
Roy
Livingstone
Bairstow
Moeen
Morgan/Billings
Willey
Jordan/Woakes
Wood
Rashid
Mills
Jordan or Woakes depending on conditions, Billings in for Morgan if his poor run continues.
Willey is a perfectly good 7 in T20, gives you two left armers, two proper quicks, three spin options, only one absolute rabbit with the bat. Struggling to balance it better.
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Livingston won’t bat 3, and pretty sure they’re leave YJB at 4, he’s their best player of spin, but I don’t think you’re far off the 11. Willey and Woakes is a bold
Call as they’re both so Start of innings specialists, but as the current game has shown, the PP is massive in these conditions.
Willey is a good T20 bat at domestic level, but his record at international level is sketchy at best.
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Yeah Livingstone looks pencilled in as more of a finisher, not convinced by Malan at 3 though.
Woakes/Willey I'm going purely on the impact that bowlers who can move the ball early seem to have had in similar conditions in the qualifiers.
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Wow! Kudos to Namibia! Ireland really need to introspect after this loss. This is what importing players brings to the associate teams. News of qualifying will only add to increasing the popularity of the game in the country.
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Wow! Kudos to Namibia! Ireland really need to introspect after this loss. This is what importing players brings to the associate teams. News of qualifying will only add to increasing the popularity of the game in the country.
Are you referring to Namibia's success or Ireland's failure, seeing as both have brought in key players who weren't products of their country's development system?
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It hasn’t exactly worked for the Dutch…
Think only Seelar and De Leede were Dutch ‘produced’.
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Talk about a horror show
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Yeah Livingstone looks pencilled in as more of a finisher, not convinced by Malan at 3 though.
Woakes/Willey I'm going purely on the impact that bowlers who can move the ball early seem to have had in similar conditions in the qualifiers.
Yeah, I’d be erring on bowling heavy and Mo at 3 for now.
Willey abs Woakes probably play at Sharjah anyway, the PP is hugely important there as scoring after that looks like very hard work. The Irish made 60 off that and 70 off the rest.
Dutch made 37 off the PP and 7 off the rest, but that’s maybe a bit of an anomaly 🤣
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England Vs West Indies...and so the wishful thinking begins again 🤞
Hoping for a great game.
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Not sure about that Australian team, guess the talk is about Inglis missing out
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Absolute peach from Hazlewood
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QDK... Mate! That was crap
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The fact he's looking at that ball, and doing nothing at all. Jesus.
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South Africa look like a joke of a team. How’s FdP not good enough to make the squad???
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They have just hit self-destruct.
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What on Earth was that run-out
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Australia can't botch this surely
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Smith and Maxwell out - game on..
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Bloody love Moeen
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YES MILLSY
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Well this isnt what I expected
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That was an outstanding bowling and catching performance, and spot on captaincy from Morgan
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That was an outstanding bowling and catching performance, and spot on captaincy from Morgan
Completely agree. Very impressive.
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The batting so far, err
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Absence of Root is looking a bit ropey now...
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A wins a win I guess
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Hard to tell but some of the shots looked like the ball did not come on.
It may not be a dead flat run feast. Morgan again used Rashid brilliantly, lower order can’t pick him and there was some turn.
Glad we got Mills in the team, lots of experience and variation
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Absence of Root is looking a bit ropey now...
Agreed. Right now, Malan's role looks very questionable. In what looks like lower scoring games, Malan chewing up balls in the power play isn't much value and these don't look do far like the type of surfaces where it is easy to increase the strike rate dramatically. Root on the other hand is England's best rotater of strike and would be a useful bowling option on slow low pitches
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Agreed. Right now, Malan's role looks very questionable. In what looks like lower scoring games, Malan chewing up balls in the power play isn't much value and these don't look do far like the type of surfaces where it is easy to increase the strike rate dramatically. Root on the other hand is England's best rotater of strike and would be a useful bowling option on slow low pitches
It is right saying Root would be great on these pitches but he hasn't played T20i for over 2 years and was never going to go.
Malan is such an interesting scenario, they have picked him to make it batting heavy but yet he's not batted in the top 6 when they were chasing 55!
Has he suddenly become our finisher batting at 7?
Or are they going with a solid 1st 3 off Roy, Buttler, Bairstow and then 4, 5, 6 & 7 are depending on conditions and game situation?
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I think today was an exception
We're not gonna be chasing 55 very often so too load the order with hitters to get it won quick
Malan will be at 3 when chasing a more "normal" score
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Just watching the highlights, as well as we bowled there was some ridiculously brain dead cricket from the Windies
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Well played Sri Lanka. Looking forward to India Vs Pakistan. Good days cricket.
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Well played Sri Lanka. Looking forward to India Vs Pakistan. Good days cricket.
The India vs Pakistan game is on the same wicket as we bowled the Windies out on yesterday, so will be interesting what happens.
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What an over from Shaheen
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Oh my word what a beauty
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Why’s cricket gone woke? Third man being called third. Total garbage. This is a mens tournament.
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Why’s cricket gone woke? Third man being called third. Total garbage. This is a mens tournament.
"Gone woke", if you can't see that making the game more inclusive at no real detriment to existing fans and players is a good thing then I don't know what sport you've been following.
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"Gone woke", if you can't see that making the game more inclusive at no real detriment to existing fans and players is a good thing then I don't know what sport you've been following.
Mens tournament played by guess where men
There’s no inclusion needed. Who cares about if a few women are woke.
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Mens tournament played by guess where men
There’s no inclusion needed. Who cares about if a few women are woke.
Hoping that you're just fishing for a reaction here and that your outlook isn't actually that prehistoric. It takes a very small mind to fail to understand the value of a little introspection and effort to make cricket accessible and inclusive for all.
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Pandya dining off a reputation
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Bit of a non event if the toss decides the outcome. Should've played all matches as day matches to stop the dew
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What a win for Pakistan
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Bit of a non event if the toss decides the outcome. Should've played all matches as day matches to stop the dew
No need to be a sore loser - just appreciate the quality of cricket played.
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No need to be a sore loser - just appreciate the quality of cricket played.
England already hold one of the WCs.
We ain’t like one match wonders Pakistan 😂😂😂
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I think I need me a pair of gloves like either Babar or Rizwan. Look gorgeous. Great win by Pakistan... as much as I'd like to gloat... thought Kholi looked good and was gracious in defeat.
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I know that the UAE was the third option picked to host this tournament and that finances have dictated it going ahead, but I do wonder what impact the slow low pitches and dew is going to have on the quality of cricket. Lack of atmosphere in the grounds also not helping.
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England already hold one of the WCs.
We ain’t like one match wonders Pakistan 😂😂😂
And so does Pakistan hold one of the WCs. Before your England and even the ODI world cup much much before England. One match wonders 😂 or does that 1992 final still hurts
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Gray nics sales poised to sky rocket now …
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And so does Pakistan hold one of the WCs. Before your England and even the ODI world cup much much before England. One match wonders 😂 or does that 1992 final still hurts
I wouldn’t waste your time on him. Claims to be an English supporter but clearly has certain biases that suggest otherwise. Let him worry about issues like whether Third Man should be renamed, while the rest of us just appreciate good cricket.
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…thought Kholi looked good and was gracious in defeat.
Absolutely- he continues to impress in all respects.
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Good advert for Gray-Nicolls.
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Gray nics sales poised to sky rocket now …
They've already sold out of Scotland shirts, was hoping they'd last till payday but no...
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Gray nics sales poised to sky rocket now …
I've been toying with getting some pads but loving the green and white gloves. Anyone know what models they are? Rizwan and Babar wore different models but with similar colourway...
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I've been toying with getting some pads but loving the green and white gloves. Anyone know what models they are? Rizwan and Babar wore different models but with similar colourway...
Babar's
https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSJXRnIXxN/?utm_medium=copy_link (https://www.instagram.com/p/CTSJXRnIXxN/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Can't find Rizwan's but presume they are a version of the Vapour Gen 1.3.
There is a GN 2022 thread with a link to the catalogue on it
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Just hope for GN's sake the fans of Babar/Rizwan actually go out and buy GN gear, not the flood of knock offs that will no doubt hit the market imminently
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^ But knock offs are cheaper. That's life. Money talks.
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^ But knock offs are cheaper. That's life. Money talks.
Think most Pak fans outside Pakistan buy genuine items. Fans within Pak if they do buy fake items are normally pushed down that route due to economics and not the desire to get fakes. I think if it was financially viable they would all purchase genuine items.
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Ps forum sponsors please feel free to let me know when you can supply said gloves 😄
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Scotland unfortunately just got a serious wake up call.
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Scotland unfortunately just got a serious wake up call.
Yes that was brutal... but they have loveliest kit... silver lining.
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Scotland unfortunately just got a serious wake up call.
Think the lack of experience against world class spin really shone through.
Consequence of the fact that they get so few games against top sides and associate players so rarely get selected for top franchise cricket.
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Think the lack of experience against world class spin really shone through.
Consequence of the fact that they get so few games against top sides and associate players so rarely get selected for top franchise cricket.
Yep definitely.
I don't think many top sides are chasing 190 against that spin attack on that track.
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Think most Pak fans outside Pakistan buy genuine items. Fans within Pak if they do buy fake items are normally pushed down that route due to economics and not the desire to get fakes. I think if it was financially viable they would all purchase genuine items.
Agreed...was being succinct.
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Yes that was brutal... but they have loveliest kit... silver lining.
Excited to see the NZ teal leaf too
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Think the lack of experience against world class spin really shone through.
Consequence of the fact that they get so few games against top sides and associate players so rarely get selected for top franchise cricket.
Yeah, a solid beating that one. Didn’t help that the umpires seemed to be in a hurry to get somewhere.
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No de Kock is pretty big for the Saffers. CSA in a mess.
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QDK drops out straight after CSA tell them they must take a knee, whatever the story is it isnt a good look for him
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I haven’t watched the game but 16 off 35 at the top of the order seems slow even for talk of the pitches
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What a garbage effort from the Windies
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De kock may not play again in the tournament as you would doubt he would change his mind.
It must be players choice to do it I think but he’s on a hiding to nothing over it and could be portrayed as something he is not.
A real shame
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How a board can dictate something like this is beyond me...it should be upto individual choice and noone should have the right to question one's beliefs.
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De kock may not play again in the tournament as you would doubt he would change his mind.
It must be players choice to do it I think but he’s on a hiding to nothing over it and could be portrayed as something he is not.
A real shame
Fair comment, I would like to hear his side too. There's a lot passion stirred and some unnecessary things being spouted. May just be me but there seems to be a huge wave of support from Indian fans for QDK and anti BLM on twitter which is confusing me... I'd be grateful if anyone from India could give some insight to this or maybe I have seen a glut of posts.
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How a board can dictate something like this is beyond me...it should be upto individual choice and noone should have the right to question one's beliefs.
I agree with you in principle. However, I think with it being South Africa where race has been so central to their history, it is as you can imagine a very sensitive matter. Maybe he should have tried to work it out with the board and find another way to express support that was acceptable to everyone.
Until he gives his side we cant really be sure.
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What a garbage effort from the Windies
Windies have been dreadful in both games and that pretty much puts them out if they lose this, you would think with 2 loses and awful NRR.
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Windies have been dreadful in both games and that pretty much puts them out if they lose this, you would think with 2 loses and awful NRR.
Yup if they lose this cant see them staying, very tough group!
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Shocked how passive some of the Windies batting has been so far. Few of the batsmen seem to be waiting for the perfect hittable ball rather than being positive and looking for ways to score.
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Shocked how passive some of the Windies batting has been so far. Few of the batsmen seem to be waiting for the perfect hittable ball rather than being positive and looking for ways to score.
On paper they’ve got a very strong batting line up, but not putting it together immediately means they now barely stand a chance to make it through
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Fair comment, I would like to hear his side too. There's a lot passion stirred and some unnecessary things being spouted. May just be me but there seems to be a huge wave of support from Indian fans for QDK and anti BLM on twitter which is confusing me... I'd be grateful if anyone from India could give some insight to this or maybe I have seen a glut of posts.
Definitely odd - didn’t think anyone would have a problem with the BLM movement
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Just seen some of the sixes by Aiden Markram. Looked class and too easy for him...
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Cant wait for the Pak vs NZ match after all the last time pull out drama! Should be a spicy affair. Also, as an Indian fan I want to see Pak lose of course :D
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Just seen some of the sixes by Aiden Markram. Looked class and too easy for him...
Making me want his player edition bat 😂
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Cant wait for the Pak vs NZ match after all the last time pull out drama! Should be a spicy affair. Also, as an Indian fan I want to see Pak lose of course :D
:D Of course you do, wouldn't want it any other way. Need get work done before I can go watch it!
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QDK drops out straight after CSA tell them they must take a knee, whatever the story is it isnt a good look for him
No, it is not. Players can now act like prima donnas because of private leagues where they are treated like rock stars.
South Africa easily won against West Indies, other players stepped up.
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New Zealand are ticking away at run-a-ball despite losing wickets. Very good team this New Zealand.
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The variety of this Pak bowling lineup is amazing..so much depth.
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New Zealand are ticking away at run-a-ball despite losing wickets. Very good team this New Zealand.
A run a ball isn’t going to leave them well short though, which isn’t really very good.
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A run a ball isn’t going to leave them well short though, which isn’t really very good.
They were steadily picking up pace when I wrote that...and were looking good, they've lost two wickets now.
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Think Pakistan will take that. Great performance!
Just do it with the bat Now!
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Big wicket. Babar gone.
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Fakhar didn't look comfortable at all...
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That is a brilliant catch from Conway
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That is a brilliant catch from Conway
Amazing... the dreaded Pakistan Jekyll and Hyde act... Its nervous to watch. NZ have done well.
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Great game in the end, luckily the men in green came good. Very nerve racking though... wouldn't be a Pakistan game otherwise... :D
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That is a brilliant catch from Conway
This tournament has had some fantastic catches in already!!
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Some of the catching so far 🤯
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Part-time spin to win
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Suffice to say that this has been an absolute doddle
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thought we were good but bangladesh were terrible.
slightly concerning that chris jordan hasnt looked that great so far, warm up games was poor but am sure he just needs overs.
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thought we were good but bangladesh were terrible.
slightly concerning that chris jordan hasnt looked that great so far, warm up games was poor but am sure he just needs overs.
I think even out of form he’s worth his weight in gold on this team. Not sure any of the replacements can do what he does with the ball, bat or in the field. Maybe Willey could come in if the next game is a shocker for him
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thought we were good but bangladesh were terrible.
Pretty much this, Windies and Bangladesh haven't been great, but that's not England's fault, they have been professional and got the wins.
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What a horror show for Scotland
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Scotland off to a great start 😭
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Ouch just seen Scotland scorecard...
Still love the kit ;)
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Good finish playing out in the Pakistan Vs Afghanistan game.
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Great game taking place between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The old Pakistani lady in the crowd was in tears! Great passion and excitement both on and off the field,and some real talent on show. Great stuff.
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England bury this pathetic Pakistan side. Zimbabar the biggest coward in cricket.
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England bury this pathetic Pakistan side. Zimbabar the biggest coward in cricket.
Cuckoo...
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Big hitting by Asif Ali. Going to take some team to win against Pakistan..
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Great game taking place between Pakistan and Afghanistan. The old Pakistani lady in the crowd was in tears! Great passion and excitement both on and off the field,and some real talent on show. Great stuff.
Great game indeed... Great find for Pakistan is Asif Ali. Afghanistan was always going to be a tough game.
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England bury this pathetic Pakistan side. Zimbabar the biggest coward in cricket.
You’re saying India’s bowling is as bad as Zimbabwe’s?
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You’re saying India’s bowling is as bad as Zimbabwe’s?
Hes saying there should be mental screening for all forum members...
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You’re saying India’s bowling is as bad as Zimbabwe’s?
India’s bowlers don’t play for England. Nice try though
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Hes saying there should be mental screening for all forum members...
I’d say a lot more about someone like you, but you’d probably start crying.
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I’d say a lot more about someone like you, but you’d probably start crying.
No doubt you would... that's to be expected...
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India’s bowlers don’t play for England. Nice try though
Why are you pretending to be English? Your passport might say whatever but it is VERY clear from your vitriol that you are an Indian troll. And that’s a shame because Most Indian fans (and players) have been fantastic and have appreciated the high quality of cricket on offer. You on the other hand, continue to demean yourself by spouting so much nonsense.
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Great couple of games tomorrow. SL Vs SA and England Vs Aus. Will be interesting to see if Aus have started to play in.
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Great couple of games tomorrow. SL Vs SA and England Vs Aus. Will be interesting to see if Aus have started to play in.
Think its a crunch game and will determine 1st and 2 nd places in the group. Warner is in good form... I expect another great game today....
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Think its a crunch game and will determine 1st and 2 nd places in the group. Warner is in good form... I expect another great game today....
Yeah I think England’s batsman haven’t have a good enough test thanks to the thrashings. Hopefully they can hit the ground running because this will be the hardest test by far, so far
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This day game has been so, so poor to watch
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Lot resting on these two, if SA are going to win.
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Not going to win anything the way Bavuma is playing
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Certainly adding pressure on Markram.
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Not going to win anything the way Bavuma is playing
Bavuma may have won this for SL...
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Hasaranga is such a talent
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Hasaranga hat-trick across two spells. That cannot have been done many times.
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Shoddy medium pace death bowling again
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Good insight from Butler "In knock-out cricket sometimes runs on the board can add to the pressure, that can come off in different ways, but a lot of dew can be challenging, a 10-15 run swing. We just have to adapt to conditions."
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How effing good is Chris Woakes
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Chris Woakes!! what a player - bats, bowls and fields like that!
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Glad England are realising now whatever the format he is a quality player.
Massive boost for us if he can stay injury free all winter and next summer
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And another one...
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How effing good is Chris Woakes
very effing good!
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Glad England are realising now whatever the format he is a quality player.
Massive boost for us if he can stay injury free all winter and next summer
When fit, he makes every England team, in every format. Can’t say that for too many players. What a talent!
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Good game set up here. Come on England!!!
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Feel a little for Mills, was always going to be someone they took on. Other than that, an outstanding bowling performance
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Jos is ridiculous
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England the team to beat - no obvious weakness
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Let’s keep some level headedness about England.
However seeing Starc get slapped around like a clubbie has made me very happy
Come on lads!!! :)
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Let’s keep some level headedness about England.
However seeing Starc get slapped around like a clubbie has made me very happy
Come on lads!!! :)
Great to see but a long competition still ahead.
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It’s a bit scary how Jos makes it look so easy taking apart one of the worlds best attacks
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This is brutal
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Early days but looks like its gonna be Eng vs Pak final. These are the only teams which have all bases covered.
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Early days but looks like its gonna be Eng vs Pak final. These are the only teams which have all bases covered.
I don’t think I’m these games it’s possible to pick any favourites.
Games can turn on a single performance.
Really I think any of the main sides can win it on a good day
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What a brutal win. Great performance!
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Long long way to go but... If Eng do make it to the final, will it be on terrestrial TV like the world cup?
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Gosh, as a very long suffering English fan... This is good to watch. Highlights from today's game:
https://youtu.be/bV9TkRAwtv8
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Long long way to go but... If Eng do make it to the final, will it be on terrestrial TV like the world cup?
Fingers crossed for the final and terrestrial TV. Would be great for the sport, if more could watch it.
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Any team left in the final stages can win it I think but we are playing well so far.
I’m not saying any of us can bat like Butler but one thing maybe we can watch and try in the nets is his acceleration into the ball as it’s struck.
I suspect one part of this is a bat not to heavy so you are not too slow bringing the bat down.
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AUS bowling seemed toothless. Good win for ENG.
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I'm surprised more brands aren't using the tournament to launch their new kit... Seems like an obvious opportunity?
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Big brain move having Kishan open and Sharma at #3, the former falling hook line and sinker
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Milne now with an absolute dolly, Jesus Christ
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Milne now with an absolute dolly, Jesus Christ
Oh wow. Could be a huge moment in this tournament.
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I expected India to walk this competition, this suggests otherwise
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Top pressure from NZ. Good game on here.
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Not looking good for India. I expected a real fight from them today. Been disappointing.
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Can't wait to see the excuses; playing the IPL and the players are 'tired', having a week off after their first game, losing the toss
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So you know how whenever we do badly we decide that the T20 Blast etc aren't good enough and that we need to look to the IPL... Maybe India will start looking to the Blast for inspiration. ;) :D :D :D
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Scrapping the last test was not enough time to prepare
Perhaps the forth third and second tests should of been binned
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Absolutely spanked them
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Dale Steyn needs a new stylist….
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Looking on to be :
Aus vs Pakistan
Eng vs New Zealand
Semi finals based on current form..
As a Pak fan I would want to avoid England in semis. Plus its a win win for me with a Pak vs England final... :D
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Hoping SA can pull off a miracle and qualify for the semis - good for the game if two of the “big three” sit out of the final 4. But England look almost invincible and only an epic choke would prevent them from winning.
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Hoping SA can pull off a miracle and qualify for the semis - good for the game if two of the “big three” sit out of the final 4. But England look almost invincible and only an epic choke would prevent them from winning.
SA looked shaky in the last game... think the whole QDK stuff hasn't been good for them. Its a shame... hope they can recover as a team.
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Ind has an archaic T20 strategy where they try to start slow in power play by keeping wickets and then accelerate later. Mostly only works when chasing moderate totals, but in all other instances (which is the majority of games), will fail. If you see the top 6 batsmen, almost all of them are captains of their respective teams in ipl and play anchor roles, so when they play for Ind, few of them have to change their natural role and play aggressive, and that doesn't come off well often. You don't see Jos butler and Jason Roy playing anchor roles in Eng domestic T20 and then try to switch to aggressive mode in internationals. A player like Joe Root can't make it into Eng T20 side, and see how Eng is doing in ODI/T20.
India needs an Eng like moment where they revamp the entire side with younger/T20 specialists. Despite IPL being great etc etc, if you see the top performers in this years IPL in same UAE pitches, none of them are even in the squad, forget about the playing XI. So selection based on reputation versus T20 specialists/form hurt Ind badly. No wonder they fail to make playoffs.
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There was an interesting discussion on the BBC Radio 5 broadcast. Ravi Bopara raised the point that the limited opportunity for Indian players to get games away from India side/ IPL undermined their ability to play limited overs on non-sub continent pitches. Test series there is time to adjust but that is limited in reduced formats. Not sure that I totally agree but an interesting point.
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No of wickets in this tournament
Liam Livingstone - 3
India - 2
What a stat
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Hoping SA can pull off a miracle and qualify for the semis - good for the game if two of the “big three” sit out of the final 4. But England look almost invincible and only an epic choke would prevent them from winning.
Will be interesting to see how England fare after losing a toss and batting first. Seems the way of the game goes towards the bowling first team
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Ind has an archaic T20 strategy where they try to start slow in power play by keeping wickets and then accelerate later. Mostly only works when chasing moderate totals, but in all other instances (which is the majority of games), will fail. If you see the top 6 batsmen, almost all of them are captains of their respective teams in ipl and play anchor roles, so when they play for Ind, few of them have to change their natural role and play aggressive, and that doesn't come off well often. You don't see Jos butler and Jason Roy playing anchor roles in Eng domestic T20 and then try to switch to aggressive mode in internationals. A player like Joe Root can't make it into Eng T20 side, and see how Eng is doing in ODI/T20.
India needs an Eng like moment where they revamp the entire side with younger/T20 specialists. Despite IPL being great etc etc, if you see the top performers in this years IPL in same UAE pitches, none of them are even in the squad, forget about the playing XI. So selection based on reputation versus T20 specialists/form hurt Ind badly. No wonder they fail to make playoffs.
Yes agreed. Poor selection and strategy cost India. But thats always been their strategy...the top order fires, scores big and then bowlers defend. In this tournament, the top order has not fired and they have struggled. Its a risky strategy but its the best they have. Bowling has rarely won matches for them.
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There was an interesting discussion on the BBC Radio 5 broadcast. Ravi Bopara raised the point that the limited opportunity for Indian players to get games away from India side/ IPL undermined their ability to play limited overs on non-sub continent pitches. Test series there is time to adjust but that is limited in reduced formats. Not sure that I totally agree but an interesting point.
I think it is an interesting point but given that the IPL has just finished in the UAE, the Indian side should have more recent experience in these conditions than any other side
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What if the IPL is actually hampering the Indian side and having two more teams will make it worse...
The Indians really are making their golden goose work very hard.
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What if the IPL is actually hampering the Indian side and having two more teams will make it worse...
The Indians really are making their golden goose work very hard.
BCCI wouldn't feel a thing (except for some lip service) if Ind didn't win any ICC trophy as long as IPL rakes in the money. Even players are like that, you see even likes of ABD giving up national duty/potential WC appearance to ensure they can play for franchises for the longest possible.
Having said that, don't think IPL is really the issue here when the best IPL guys aren't playing in T20 WC. Just bad selection and bad captain using an outdated ODI strategy in T20s. Based on current form, remove Rohit and Hardik, get Venkatest Iyer and Ishan Kishan in Xi. And Ruturaj in squad to keep KL on his toes for other opener slot. Among bowlers, Chahal and Harshal patel have done great in IPL in same UAE pitches, they need to be in Xi. Just have Kohli for anchor role, rest all T20 role. Even with these changes, team composition changes and looks much better on form and balance. But problem is Kohli as captain can't let go of his buddies (based on reputation rather than form) When one reporter asked Kohli if Rohit should be replaced by Ishan Kishan, Kohli replied if that is even a question. Remember without Rohit in xi, Ind beat Eng in warm up game, so the questions surely deserves merit/consideration. However, such inflexibility in thinking/lack of innovation defines Kohli's captaincy and has caused his downfall.
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Jos is so bloody good
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UNIVERSE JOS
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Jos is so bloody good
Why bother with 4s when you can hit 6s?
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We finally have a player that has scored a century in all 3 formats. I've been waiting on this niche stat for ages! I thought Malan might beat him to it.
Buttler: 2 Test Centuries, 9 ODI Centuries, 1 T20I Century.
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This is closer than I thought it would be 45 minutes ago!
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That is brilliant from Roy
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Steady on Jos
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We finally have a player that has scored a century in all 3 formats. I've been waiting on this niche stat for ages! I thought Malan might beat him to it.
Buttler: 2 Test Centuries, 9 ODI Centuries, 1 T20I Century.
We already did her name is Heather Knight
https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvVl_FIWVJ/?utm_medium=share_sheet (https://www.instagram.com/p/CVvVl_FIWVJ/?utm_medium=share_sheet)
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Pretty complete side the English at the moment. Going to be hard to beat.
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We are there will be a few of us more cautious England fans who will think we’ve peaked too early.
Seen teams in Knockout cricket play awful at the start and get better as the tournament goes on.
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Great to watch as a Pakistan fan but I actually felt sorry for Smit in that last over... just mismatched.
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Great to watch as a Pakistan fan but I actually felt sorry for Smit in that last over... just mismatched.
Waiting for a certain troll to show up any second ;)
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Waiting for a certain troll to show up any second ;)
There's trolling and there's crossing the line... I'm surprised he's not banned.
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We are there will be a few of us more cautious England fans who will think we’ve peaked too early.
Seen teams in Knockout cricket play awful at the start and get better as the tournament goes on.
Given the nature of t20, It’s never more than 60 pct for any side, but England are by far the best. Only thing that can trip them up is a dodgy pitch, that would neutralize their no holds barred playing style.
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I'm going to be disappointed if its not an England vs Pakistan final.... the missed tour will add an edge to it also. Two great sides should make for a good game.
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if guptil gets going here this could be a huge score
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if guptil gets going here this could be a huge score
Hasn't looked brilliant against the spinners or Sharif. Wheal very disappointing and Evans has been poor again, surprised he keeps getting selected as he's been in poor form for quite a while now.
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NZ should win comfortably.
India vs Afghanistan might turn out top be a potential banana skin for India.
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Hoping that Scotland will give a decent account of themselves, been embarrassed with the bat so far in the Super 12 stage.
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India batting first, almost everyone winning the toss bats second because of the dew
Huge game for India on
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India giving themselves every chance to make a miracle comeback. On track for a big win here - pressure on NZ!
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Its the India I was expecting to see against NZ. They need the RR.
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Tymal Mills out injured for the rest of World Cup. Shame.
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Namibia challenging NZ so far
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Namibia challenging NZ so far
They’ve competed well this tournament
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I was hopeful of an upset after then first 14 overs of the match...and then Poof! Well played nonetheless! India will need to do their bit and rely on the Afghan brothers now :D
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Don't honestly believe Scotland have a hope but it's so good to see guys like Munsey getting a chance against the elite of world cricket.
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Wonder if people will now claim that Scotland also took money from India to help them boost their run rate!
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Wonder if people will now claim that Scotland also took money from India to help them boost their run rate!
Hope Scotland spend it wisely ;)
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SA and AUS both peaking at just the right time - either one will be a handful in the knockout stage.
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I'd say that is Roy done. Gutted
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Yep. A real blow. Left calf gone.
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Well played SA! Will be a hard one if Aus go on to win the tournament. All about hitting peak at the right time. Roy will be missed at the top of the Eng order.
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Really unfair to SA - just lost one game and beat the best team in the tournament! Really is the group of death.
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Really unfair to SA - just lost one game and beat the best team in the tournament! Really is the group of death.
Yup feel for them but that is why the run rate is important. From what sky were saying they should have accelerated against Bangladesh.
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Gutted for Roy. Him and Buttler play so well together...
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This is why Morgan put the foot down in all the group games. Effectively gave Eng 1/2 a point more.
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This is why Morgan put the foot down in all the group games. Effectively gave Eng 1/2 a point more.
Morgan doesn't miss a trick
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We have lost momentum I think and a couple of injuries not helping.
Vince coming in for Roy probably, hopefully Vince still has good vibes from his last outing in an England shirt.
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India going out can only be a good thing for the game as a collective. Great stuff.
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We have lost momentum I think and a couple of injuries not helping.
Vince coming in for Roy probably, hopefully Vince still has good vibes from his last outing in an England shirt.
I can't see a Scottish upset so it will be a very tough semi against NZ.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bairstow opens and Billings plays.
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I can't see a Scottish upset so it will be a very tough semi against NZ.
I wouldn't be surprised if Bairstow opens and Billings plays.
Yes could do, Billings probably the better fielder of the two and can hit it in unconventional areas, Vince is the better bat but a close call.
Love to see Livingstone get enough balls to really do some damage, we are going to need something special against NZ from someone.
I just feel we have lost a bit of confidence and New Zealand and Australia gaining it- Pakistan have looked really good
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Astonished that Scotland didn't see the value in playing Tahir before today. Slow left arm is just so effective this WC.
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Yes could do, Billings probably the better fielder of the two and can hit it in unconventional areas, Vince is the better bat but a close call.
Love to see Livingstone get enough balls to really do some damage, we are going to need something special against NZ from someone.
I just feel we have lost a bit of confidence and New Zealand and Australia gaining it- Pakistan have looked really good
Billings into the middle order and Moeen to open is also an option. Fell like the team needs another 'finisher' down in that middle order with Butler opening and Morgan is average form.
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Astonished that Scotland didn't see the value in playing Tahir before today. Slow left arm is just so effective this WC.
Went with Greaves as he offers so much more with the bat and in the field.
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Went with Greaves as he offers so much more with the bat and in the field.
Not sure that's true - played Greaves, Watt and Tahir today. Seems that Evans got the nod ahead of Tahir and I'm not convinced that balance of the attack was right at all.
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Not sure that's true - played Greaves, Watt and Tahir today. Seems that Evans got the nod ahead of Tahir and I'm not convinced that balance of the attack was right at all.
We played they today as it didn’t really matter. A two seamer attack is a pretty radical option.
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We played they today as it didn’t really matter. A two seamer attack is a pretty radical option.
If we had Davey, Sharif and Wheal available I'd go with them. IMO Evans has been a huge weak link for some time. He was abysmal in the Zimbabwe series prior to the qualifying round as well so not like they didn't have form to base it on.
Much rather have seen Tahir in as Evans doesn't add much with the bat or in the field.
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Billings has to come in for me. I am not convinced that these conditions need one of Vincent or Mallan. It certainly doesn't need both of them
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Think I'd actually just move Bairstow up to open, then maybe bring in Willey for more bowling options.
Butler
Bairstow
Malan
Livingstone
Morgan
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Jordan
Rashid
Wood
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I'd have Ali above Morgan but otherwise pretty close.
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Think I'd actually just move Bairstow up to open, then maybe bring in Willey for more bowling options.
Butler
Bairstow
Malan
Livingstone
Morgan
Ali
Woakes
Willey
Jordan
Rashid
Wood
The thing with playing Willey is I don't see where he bowls because he has to open as the white ball only swings for about 2/3 overs etc... and we have been using Moeen in the PP really well, and Woakes also needs the new ball.
I completely get having an extra bowling option but in Abu Dhabi to we need an extra seamer?
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Death bowling is where they’re lacking now, but not sure there’s anyone likely to come in that helps with that.
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Just going to throw out there that if you pick Willey, he might as well open.
He was brilliant at the top of the order in the hundred and means virtually no changes to the batting order.
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Just going to throw out there that if you pick Willey, he might as well open.
He was brilliant at the top of the order in the hundred and means virtually no changes to the batting order.
His record with the bat in international cricket is pretty grim though. That combined with how important the PP is abs how many other options they have for opening would put me off.
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The other issue with Willey is that he isn't a death bowler. Our up power play bowlers are doing a good job.
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Roy confirmed out, Vince in the squad. Bairstow as an opener then Billings at 4/5 seems like a no-brainer.
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Roy confirmed out, Vince in the squad. Bairstow as an opener then Billings at 4/5 seems like a no-brainer.
There are multiple possibilities. I assume Billings will bat 6/7 with Livingstone moving up into the middle order.
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I get all the above, just think we could use an extra bowler rather than bringing Billings in, as the batting is still very strong and would like to see Livingstone move up. As a skipper, if a bowler or two went round the park I'd prefer to have another option, rather than Billings coming in at 6 or 7 when we should have enough firepower in the batting as it stands.
That said, if we're 3 down early you'd obviously like the extra batter! 😆
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Roy confirmed out, Vince in the squad. Bairstow as an opener then Billings at 4/5 seems like a no-brainer.
Except malan to open and bairstow to 3 makes more sense
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If there was a death bowling option he’d be a stick on. But given there isn’t it’ll almost certainly be Billings.
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Livingstone to open and bring in Benny Howell at 7!
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NZ go into Semi#1 with higher confidence level. It'd be a close game but NZ will come out on top.
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This is going to be a close game it seems
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How bloody good is Chris Woakes
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Decent bowling but Guptill and Williamson both got out playing pretty ordinary shots.
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Absolutely brilliant from Livingstone
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Fair to say that Jordan over has killed us off. Gutted
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How bloody good is Chris Woakes
This comment is a Free Hit now ;)
Just joking mate - was too hard for me to resist
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Wow. NZ. Well played.
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Eng did great to put up good total despite batting first under toughest conditions and then fight till end despite bowling second under dew. Any other team, NZ would have chased in 15 overs. Overall unfortunate that toss deciding all major games.
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The other issue with Willey is that he isn't a death bowler. Our up power play bowlers are doing a good job.
What a nonsense that bowlers are being rigidly pigeon-holed like this.
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Good effort lads... unfortunately things don't always work out...
Worried in case Aus cause an upset tomorrow... Southern hemisphere final may be in order... :(
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Good effort lads... unfortunately things don't always work out...
Worried in case Aus cause an upset tomorrow... Southern hemisphere final may be in order... :(
We will know after the toss :D
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We missed a Mills/Jofra death bowler. I did think another option with the ball would have been useful, but then we didn't bowl Moen either. That said, not sure anyone would have made a difference as Mitchell and Neesham batted very well. We missed our lengths, but you've still got to hit them.
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Overall unfortunate that toss deciding all major games.
ENG vs SA - ENG won the toss and elected to field first.
Toss/dew factors are important but these are professionals and they have to make it work.
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Yes boys!!! :D :D :D
Hopefully Pakistan in the final and a win to shut the Pakistan trolls up for good.
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What a nonsense that bowlers are being rigidly pigeon-holed like this.
Does Willey possess the pace or skillset to bowl effectively at the death? I've yet to see evidence of either in a significant career. Cracking bowler but not a T20 death overs specialist in any sensible estimation.
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We lost momentum and a couple of injuries in this tournament, it was unrealistic to expect Buttler to carry on his amazing form.
Well done NZ they are a good side and deserved winners. Only the most one eyed England fans think we won the 50 over final by anything other than the skin on our teeth so maybe fate was due in this tournament.
Cannot support anyone left in the tournament but if the blackcaps take the final then good for them.
Pakistan v Australia might depend on one individual performance it’s hard to pick a winner.
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Does Willey possess the pace or skillset to bowl effectively at the death? I've yet to see evidence of either in a significant career. Cracking bowler but not a T20 death overs specialist in any sensible estimation.
Maybe one of the other 'powerplay bowlers' could have done the job? Or one of the 'inbetween bit bowlers'?
Bloody Nasser Hussain and his verbal diarrhea. :o
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England bowlers just got their lengths wrong. Everyone makes mistakes. How about NZ form in the last 2 years. Test Champions, an overthrow away from being ODI champions and at the very least T20 finalists. Wow.
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Yes boys!!! :D :D :D
Hopefully Pakistan in the final and a win to shut the Pakistan trolls up for good.
Most Pakistan fans love NZ (and WI) as their second team.
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This NZ team is arguably the best all format team around.
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Rizwan and Malik under the weather: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20-world-cup-2021-mohammad-rizwan-shoaib-malik-miss-pakistan-s-training-on-wednesday-with-mild-flu-1288647 (https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/t20-world-cup-2021-mohammad-rizwan-shoaib-malik-miss-pakistan-s-training-on-wednesday-with-mild-flu-1288647)
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Morgan to retire maybe??
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Morgan to retire maybe??
He says he wants to play in next one.
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Maybe one of the other 'powerplay bowlers' could have done the job? Or one of the 'inbetween bit bowlers'?
Bloody Nasser Hussain and his verbal diarrhea. :o
Powerplay and death overs require different skills, very rare you see sides throwing the kitchen sink at it in the first six.
If the "in-between" bowlers had the necessary skillset and attributes then presumably they would be regularly bowling death overs for England or franchise sides. It's a very specialist skill and lack of it has cost England today.
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What a nonsense that bowlers are being rigidly pigeon-holed like this.
Whether we like it or not, T20 is all about specialists right now, whether batters, bowlers or even fielders (boundary experts/relay catches). If you have Virat Kohli type batsmen from 1 to 6, in T20, it won't get you anywhere. For each of beginning, middle and death overs, need specialist batters and bowlers with some overlap and adaptability obviously as needed based on game situation, pitch condition, opposition, etc.
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The way I look at this is yes we were one of the favourites but so we're India and they had a shocker!
We played some great cricket from the start without Stokes and Archer, and then lost Mills whose replacement Wood wasn't fully fit and went at 11's against SA and 8.5 against NZ and didn't take a wicket in either game!
Add to that Roy's injury and I think we did very well after losing the toss against a very good NZ side, almost and should of probably pulled off an unlikely win after posting 166.
These may sound like excuses but what I sm saying is we must look at what we have done taking everything into account.
Pakistan have played the best cricket I think in the tournament and I hope they win it. I can't get over how much of a factor the toss has been though.
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Personally think England had a very good tournament and just lost out to a very good and full strength side.
England unfortunately suffered injuries during the tournament and I think losing Mills was huge when you look at death bowling as England had it really until the 15th over when NZ were able to take advantage of an inexperienced death bowling line up.
Added in Stokes and Archer not being in the squad at all I think it’s a decent show.
Pakistan have arguably been the best team so far and you would fancy them to win today and then Sunday is a best on the day final as personally think there is very little between NZ and Pakistan.
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I do wonder if people's analysis would be the same if they watched the match without the commentary.
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I feel England is the only team in the world that pigeonholes the players. I dont see any other team mentioning about a specialist death bowler or a powerplay bowler. If a bowler is good enough, he should be able to bowl anytime during the innings.
Also, England's loss just proved the theory that toss is 50% of the match...if you lose the toss against a decent side and bat first, chances are that you are going down unless someone plays a blinder.
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Carlos Brathwaite said on the radio last night that his T20 batting actually went downhill when he stopped playing Test cricket and became a T20 specialist.
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New Zealand just get on with it.
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The game was over at 14 over and England had won it, only a phenominal performance by Mitchell and Needham took it away. I dont think anyone can be held to account for the loss.
Well done to NZ and good luck in the final.
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Agree everyone is going on about where England made a mistake.
Why not just accept it was one of those days where the New Zealand players delivered an exceptional performance.
England players can be proud of their performance. That's T20 for you.
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Australia won toss... hmmm... :(
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Great start thou from Pakistan
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Agree everyone is going on about where England made a mistake.
Why not just accept it was one of those days where the New Zealand players delivered an exceptional performance.
England players can be proud of their performance. That's T20 for you.
Exactly right, we played pretty well in the games, lost momentum and you want to have the same side throughout-Mills and Roy getting injured did not help us.
In these short games one single performance can win it and so it proved.
Would love to has seen England in the final but New Zealand were better on the day than us
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Warner is back..
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Advantage batting second in these games but I think Pakistan have enough to do this.
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Warner is key wicket to get...
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Warner looking good! If he takes it deep they have a solid chance here.
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Warner looking good! If he takes it deep they have a solid chance here.
Well that lasted about 60 seconds.
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Well, didn't see that coming, after Warner wicket, it was always going to be game over, but what a turnaround. Yesterday Neesham and today Wade. Again good fight by Pak despite losing toss.
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True to form, Australia always peaks and just the right time.
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Agree they really do tournaments well...
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More often than not, the team which wins all league games doesn't win WC, have seen that with SA/Ind in past and now Pak. Losing a few early and peaking at right time sets a team up nicely to handle pressure I guess.
Aus is only exception I think - they have excellent temperament in big games.
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I really hope NZ win...
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Iv just read that Conway will miss the final with a broken hand caused by punching his bat when he was dismissed in the semi final, got to be one of the most freakish and stupid injuries even seen and what a game to miss. Don’t follow him a lot but I believe his stats and record is exceptional since he broke into international cricket in the test series over here and he certainly played a big part in there semi final win.
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With the coin toss dominating this tournament, I thought pakistan put up a great fight and made a game of it.
Pakistan won the toss throughout the early stages... so things even out...
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The Aussies chased well last night and the dropped catch plus good batting and slightly nieve bowling cost Pakistan. It can happen in a t20 game.
Although a similar outcome, England went into the game short of a death bowler. To be honest, we have struggled for death bowlers for a while and sadly broke Mills by making him play so many back to back games.
The Aussies winning the competition would be horrible.
Come on the Kiwis.
😂
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The Aussies chased well last night and the dropped catch plus good batting and slightly nieve bowling cost Pakistan. It can happen in a t20 game.
Although a similar outcome, England went into the game short of a death bowler. To be honest, we have struggled for death bowlers for a while and sadly broke Mills by making him play so many back to back games.
The Aussies winning the competition would be horrible.
Come on the Kiwis.
😂
Yep, I wonder if England regret maybe not resting Mills for one of the games given his injury record. Had Wood and Mills both been fit,perhaps they would have been rotated.
The thought of Warner hitting the winning runs and doing one his trademark leaps in celebration,makes me feel rather ill.
Come on the Kiwis 😂
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Mills has been a massive loss. Without him, played 2 lost 2. It's amazing how he's become a vital part of the team in such a short space of time. However, we really shouldn't have conceded 57 runs in 3 overs, from a match winning position. Still don't understand why Moeen didn't bowl either. The Aussies didn't deserve to get out of the group stages, so if they go on an win it will be a travesty!
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Well played Aus (Player of match and series goes to toss though :D)
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Well played Aus (Player of match and series goes to toss though :D)
Finch won 6 out of 7 tosses, chased 6 times, won those 6 games, including the final. The game he didn't win the toss they had to bat 1st against us we destroyed them.
But fair play you can only play what's in front of you and they got it done.
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Yes it became nearly impossible to defend a total fielding second in most games.
Still…we peaked too early and the two finalists got better as the matches went on and in knockout cricket that is exactly how to play.
Think there is another WC coming soon so it will be interesting if the conditions play a big part there.
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We bowled poorly and Australia batted well. Less on the toss I think in this game.
However T20 cricket is so dependent on the toss and something needs to be done. Do we give each team a a certain amount of picks and get rid of the toss? I know there are a lot of things that need to be taken into consideration like opposition and how do we do that fairly but when every team bowls first when they win the toss it needs to be addressed.
Are there any other sports where they have done away with the toss?
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Dew is not a good enough excuse. Both Eng and Pak had their semi final in the bag, and despite the dew, their bowlers should have closed the game out.
fair play to the Aussies. Absolutely ruthless in the knockout stages of a World Cup. Yet again. Other teams need to learn from them.