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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: Thamesvalley on January 21, 2024, 09:56:50 AM
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Just read news Brook returning home due to personal reasons
Out of whole tour
A shame was looking forward to watching him
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It is a shame but perhaps now means JB will play as a batter with Foakes keeping wicket so another chance for us to format the team with a good batsman and the best keeper. I think myself Bairstow keeping and batting just does not work.
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Yeah agree with that
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ECB now clarified their statement to say he may join the tour later.
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Dan Lawrence in. As above though this surely means we see Bairstow at 5 and Foakes with the gloves.
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Kohli is out of the first two tests for personal reasons.
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Fuckadoodledoo! Have you seen the attack we've picked for the first test! It's brave, but it could be carnage - 2 rookie spinners and our most fragile seamer.
I like the intent, but i might have been tempted to have root as the 3rd spinner and select another seamer - mind you, this is the same approach the Aussies went with.
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Can't say it's not ballsy, that has been the theme with Stokes+McCullum. Lot of pressure on someone as inexperienced as Hartley trying to replicate the impact of Axar Patel.
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Seems a wierd approach.
If it is an absolute bunsen then you only need 2 spinners
Will be interesting to see what India do, they will likely pick 3 spinners and 2 seeamers, but Ashwin and Jadaja can both bat. We don't have that.
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Tom Hartley and Rehan Ahmed will be expected to play as bowling all rounders but it is their bowling rather than their batting which looks a bit thin on the ground. Unless Stokes can bowl a decent allocation of overs - which has to be very unlikely - the attack does seem one bowler short
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Rumour has it... Bairstow is the second seamer...
I hope he is wrong but Derek Pringle's 'twirl' post on X is quite punchy:
"Whatever the collective noun for spinners (a twirl maybe) England are stretching it by playing 3 in the 1st Test v India. If the pitch turns big you need fewer bowlers not more. This smacks of Eng not having a clue who their best spinners are & playing them all as a consequence."
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daft thing is, the conditions in India lend themselves to Joe Root being a useful fifth bowler, which surely should have mitigated against Ahmed playing (especially as Ollie Robinson has looked more threatening as a test spinner than he did!)
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Stokes has already said he is not bowling or very little and that might explain why Dan Lawrence has been called up instead of Jennings. Lawrence could well play a part in the series.
I think India will get after our spinners early so that could make things mighty difficult to have any control on the game.
It’s going to be incredibly hard to get a result I can only remember 2012 when KP was outstanding to get us a win and 1984/5 when Gowers side won out there.
2012 we had Swann and Panesar bowling well together IIRC.
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We look a spinner light 😆
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Be interesting to see how Hartley goes with the ball, Axar has been pretty effective but he is also arguably the best at what he does in the world.
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Bairstow was out using a stickerless bat ?
Surely didn’t lose his ton contract ?
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Has got edge stamp still
But no stickers today .. a bit weird that
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You need at least 2 fast/seam bowlers in India - especially when the one you pick is brittle and is an impact bowler.
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Oh dear! well i thought it might be quite exiting. Stokes drags us out of the poo, but now our spinners being given a little bit of 'tap' - this'll be a real test of Stokes' captaincy.
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England burn all three reviews inside 14 overs. Madness.
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As much as I'd like to see England doing well, Jaiswal is such an exciting player.
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Why is Dawson never in contention to play for England in test cricket? An experienced bowler who has done well in County cricket.
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Should have been one of the first names on the team sheet but face doesn't fit apparently. Don't blame him for taking the SAT20 cash instead.
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If only we had Liam Dawson. :o
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Should have been one of the first names on the team sheet but face doesn't fit apparently. Don't blame him for taking the SAT20 cash instead.
I think he intimated that he wouldn't want to miss out on the money to sit on the bench or carry drinks...
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You need at least 2 fast/seam bowlers in India - especially when the one you pick is brittle and is an impact bowler.
Hard one isn’t it as no archer, stone, Broad any longer so express pace isn’t in great availability currently but I would imagine Indian batsmen would rather face a trio of spinners with the exception of Leech not much experience and Leech has experience but isn’t prolific wicket taker over Wood, Anderson and Woakes plus Leech & root.
Early days only day 1 of 1st test and plenty of excitement already
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Thing is, with rookie spinners you really need as a batting unit to try and get 300 plus on the board to give 'em a chance.
I'm going to try some rare positivity - Hartley and Rehan to share 6 wickets between them and tomorrow we end up with less than 50 in arrears.
Lets see what happens when I awake, however, I really, really hope the young lefty fights back tomorrow and shows what he's about!
(Wonder if Bash the Offie would've made a difference?)
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Another great Lancashire left armer....Kerrigan mrk 2
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Thing is, with rookie spinners you really need as a batting unit to try and get 300 plus on the board to give 'em a chance.
I'm going to try some rare positivity - Hartley and Rehan to share 6 wickets between them and tomorrow we end up with less than 50 in arrears.
Lets see what happens when I awake, however, I really, really hope the young lefty fights back tomorrow and shows what he's about!
(Wonder if Bash the Offie would've made a difference?)
I felt exactly the same mate. Win the toss and you’ve got to get 350 par.
And just hope to wake up with only 50 arrears tomorrow.
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One of those wasted reviews would be very handy about now.
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If Will Jacks was good enough to play in Pakistan, why was he not good enough for the tour to India?
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Yes I am surprised of the squad selection. Not really sure what the England spinner hierarchy order is anymore.
You would think match experience would play a huge part first. So why no Jacks,Dawson, Parkinson1, Parkinson2, even Rashid with all his international/world league experience.
Surely Rashid with all his tricks was worth more of a gamble of going for 5 per over with good return.
Feel sorry for English spinners really, they just get used once and never seen again.
But certain batsman are given the fearless freedom to fail for years without risk of being dropped.
I really hope Rehan Ahmad is picked regularly without fail after this tour for his development sake, as by age 21/22 he could be so experienced with many great years ahead of him.
I appreciate Team England are in a bit of a transition period but Id like to see a 4 year plan. Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.
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Keep up.
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Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.
Lol remind me when the last time England were invincible for decades was?
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😂😂😂
Well there’s no point in aiming to win a few, draw a few and lose a few is there? The Windies, Australia, South Africa to extent all had times of dominating the best of a decade so surely it’s our turn by now! We had some good times with Strauss & Cook leading so I’m sure it can come round again.
We are the only team who cares about test matches so it’s got to be our turn by now. Doubter to believer 💪
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Have South Africa ever dominated at all, nevermind a decade? I’d say really only 80’s Windies and 90/2000’s Australia have and were a fair way off both of them 🤣
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Aside from world domination on the field :) England have already done far better in this match than some of us may have thought
Once again we need someone to dig in and help the main batters regardless of the new Bazball way and Foakes has done it again.
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Love that from Pope, hell of an effort and what a difference from his innings on day one.
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Foakes so unlucky there. Fought well, he's still minus 50 odd in this test tho 😆
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For a man that normally plays spin like he has no eyes, this is a brilliant knock from Pope.
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For a man that normally plays spin like he has no eyes, this is a brilliant knock from Pope.
Just what I was thinking. Maybe Baz has some actual coaching in him after all!
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Blimey you two are tough nuts :). He has struggled again spin before at test level but he has scored at County level since he started.
Yes the standard of spin is poor in the Championship and yes he scores a lot of runs at the flat Oval but he is still outstanding for his age.
I have not seen anyone close to his ability as far a young players go since Joe Root.
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Blimey you two are tough nuts :). He has struggled again spin before at test level but he has scored at County level since he started.
Yes the standard of spin is poor in the Championship and yes he scores a lot of runs at the flat Oval but he is still outstanding for his age.
I have not seen anyone close to his ability as far a young players go since Joe Root.
Harry Brook?
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Pope has massively underperformed
Today was his day good on him …
Let’s see if he can develop into a 45 plus average cricketer
Are his stats at an average of 33 disguised by his 200 plus average versus Ireland … ?
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Yes I am surprised of the squad selection. Not really sure what the England spinner hierarchy order is anymore.
You would think match experience would play a huge part first. So why no Jacks,Dawson, Parkinson1, Parkinson2, even Rashid with all his international/world league experience.
Surely Rashid with all his tricks was worth more of a gamble of going for 5 per over with good return.
Feel sorry for English spinners really, they just get used once and never seen again.
But certain batsman are given the fearless freedom to fail for years without risk of being dropped.
I really hope Rehan Ahmad is picked regularly without fail after this tour for his development sake, as by age 21/22 he could be so experienced with many great years ahead of him.
I appreciate Team England are in a bit of a transition period but Id like to see a 4 year plan. Especially if it brings the start of decades of invincibility again.
Rashid had retired from CC cricket before he got his last call up in 2019 and I’m sure (might be wrong so not sure really) that in his last test he didn’t bowl or bat at all. So I’m not sure he was ever even a thought as 10th choice.
Other than that though I agree, our spinners get great horrifically.
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Important innings for Pope and hopefully the start of justifying his place in the side. A stat being thrown around today is that before this innings, he had only passed 30 on two occasions in the second innings in 29 attempts, which is an astonishingly poor record. At 26, he isn't a young player.
This will be a long tour as any trip to India always is. We have only won one series there in my lifetime and that was when Panesar and Swann were bowling together which in my view was the best spin pairing England have ever had (people might point to Jim Laker and Tony Lock but that was from the uncovered pitches in England era which was a completely different game for a slow bowler). But good to see some genuine fight being put up
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Agree SD about pope
Hopefully he kicks on now
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Harry Brook?
Yes indeed he has some serious talent probably better in short format than Pope.
I know OP has recently been put in the short format but I think he will play the majority in tests
Brook def has the power to do well in both formats.
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I know he's only had a short test career, but he's averaging 62 in 20 innings. If he kicks on under Stokes captaincy, Brook could be unbelievably good. I like Pope though, but he has to start delivering consistently soon. But many expected it to be over today, so fair play to him especially for showing some fight. Although he'll probably need to double it for us to have a chance!
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I know he's only had a short test career, but he's averaging 62 in 20 innings. If he kicks on under Stokes captaincy, Brook could be unbelievably good. I like Pope though, but he has to start delivering consistently soon. But many expected it to be over today, so fair play to him especially for showing some fight. Although he'll probably need to double it for us to have a chance!
Pope since he moved to 3 has def improved, in this innings from all reports it’s one of the best innings against India on their own turf.
Brook will flourish as every one under the new management. I think myself all England need to do is bat him in the right position, not too high so he can play his shots freely. He absolutely has the talent.
Hartley has 3 as I type this, we have a chance today and that’s unwavering backing from Stokes paying off
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Meanwhile, in Australia @Thor Odin’s Son 😆
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Wow! What have I woken up to. Australia lost and England in the middle of amazing bouncebackability. So exciting! 😃😃
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A moment of magic from Stokes :)
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Another great Lancashire left armer....Kerrigan mrk 2
Pure CBF. :D
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Surely that has to go down as one of Englands best wins away from home? To comeback and bowl India out with your best spinner injured, a bloke who'd recorded the worst figures of any debutant in the first innings (I think), a teenager still raw and a very good India batting line up (admittedly missing Kholi), is some achievement!
Stokes and Macullum for England when Southgate goes!!
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England do seem to be single handedly reinvigorating Test cricket! They looked outclassed, outgunned after 1st innings. We’ve had so many close games recently.
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Definatley up there as one of the best wins against India at home from any team.
Hartley got runs and a seven four, Pope put us back in the game so MOM might be a tricky call.
With virtually everything taken behind the stumps too that must boost the bowlers
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Young Hartley.......
*eats Humble Pie....
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I wouldn't worry mate, think we'd all written it Hartley and them all off after the first innings 😆
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Pffft (what do I know :)) - that was a fantastic effort and a great fight-back - so good to see Hartley rise like a Phoenix and amongst the wickets, there may be more resilience to this England side than at first thought!!!
Still don't think the selection was right for this test - for my money, Robinson for Ahmed, Jimmy for Wood and Bash for (an injured) Leach for next test.
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It's getting funkier! Baz talking about the possibility of a 4 man spin attack this series!
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Funky will be when Joe Root drops down to eight to accommodate a returning Harry Brook, but plays as an opening bowler. Seam up.
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Funky will be when Joe Root drops down to eight to accommodate a returning Harry Brook, but plays as an opening bowler. Seam up.
Stokes and Brook bowling spin as 6th and 7th change, Ben Foakes takes the keeping kit off and gives it to Pope so he can turn the arm over with some 55mph mediums, Joe Root is late back from teas because he popped to the shop for a pack of Mayfairs which he proceeds to chain smoke on the boundary at deep square leg. Bazball.
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Leach out of the next test sadly. Could we see Dan Lawrence make a late entrance at some stage this series? If it does end up being worse and worse bunsens as the series goes on I'd quite fancy him frogdarting them in at pace. Plus he's about the most Bazball batsman ever.
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Lawrence def has now a good chance of playing.
Wonder if just if…….we might go in with all spin. Wood was redundant last game plus anything’s possible under the new style Bazball.
India are not going to be able to change the pitches to seam friendly.
It’s going to be going sideways at the toss
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Jimmy and Bash in for wood and Leach - hmmmmm. Could've been Robinson, he could've bowled offies too :)
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England seem sorted. India on the other hand have a lot of questions to answer. Injury to KL and Jadeja doesnt help. In a way, India deserved this result for overlooking test specialists in favour of limited overs cricket stars. A Che Pujara would have made a big difference. Also, the spin options are interesting. Both Kuldeep and Washington are mainly T20/ODI specialist spinners. Will be interesting to see what the bowling line up will look like.
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Am a bit surprised Pujara hasn't been called up, I think he would be helpful given Kohli and KL being absent
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It's all a bit odd. The daft thing is, if they prepared a green seamer they'd annihilate us!
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Jaiswal looks like some player, going to score an absolute mountain of runs you have to think. Bashir giving a good account of himself on debut it seems.
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I like the looks of Bashir but still think he has been thrown into Test cricket a bit undercooked. Its not easy bowling long spells with a plan if you dont have enough experience.
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Think England will be delighted to have them 6 down on that pitch
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Amazing debut by bashir considering his age and he outbowled all the spinners and got two wickets in debut on a flat track
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A wonderfully contested test match. India the deserved winners but it could have genuinely gone either way. Wonderful to see a sporting pitch. Lot of ppl thought BCCI over react to the defeat in the first test with a rank turner but this was a pitch that had something for everyone.
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Agreed - a great test pitch and a good game. Sadly giving up 100+ again on first innings proved too much.
I think it's great that England have been open to new bowlers in recent years. For such an inexperienced attack they've done fabulously well.
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Good first day of test cricket! Great comeback by India after Wood made the early indents. So happy to see Sarfaraz in Indian colours. This kid has a bright future ahead of him. So unlucky to get run out.
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Incredible innings from Duckett. No fear at all.
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No fear and no lack of quality either, some unbelievable shots in there.
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I generally accept DRS as correct, but that Pope LBW was incredibly sus
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Only solace is that at least the defeat was not as bad as if Ashwin had not run down the middle of the wicket early on D2 :D . Ah D2, feels like a lifetime ago - heady days :D !....
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Bairstow hasn’t done much since his amazing summer V india
How long. Has he got left to go ?
Is Brook coming back for the series ?
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Bairstow hasn’t done much since his amazing summer V india
It was mostly against New Zealand. The India Test was a rescheduled one.
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Ahh yes my mistake yes since then
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Ahh yes my mistake yes since then
Might have been South Africa too.
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Bairstow hasn’t done much since his amazing summer V india
How long. Has he got left to go ?
Is Brook coming back for the series ?
Root the same with the bat at least middle order and lower top order been pretty poor this series.
As was said on commentary England lost this game with such a lead given to India on second innings.
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Its sad to see the Bazballers cry about DRS after the loss. Dont blame a system for your loss.
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Does feel like Stokes is being let down by his senior pros a bit here - Root, Bairstow, Foakes (maybe) do owe the team some consistent runs.
You can't play all this glorious cricket yet concede 130 run leads in the first innings, especially in India.
It's a shame because I think the gamble with callow spinners is probably still in credit, plus wood and Jimmy have done pretty well - just gotta get those runs on the board!
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I like JB but can't really see him staying in and maybe rightly so. I can see Lawrence coming in, as not sure Brook is available? If he was, he'd be in surely? They're not gonna drop Root and not should they, he's still the best player they've got.
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I'd have Lawrence in for JB, don't think Brook will play this series at all if he's not back in India yet. Might relieve some bowling pressure from Root and allow him to rest properly too.
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Brooke is out for the tour. Baz has said today that YJB likely keeps his spot.
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interesting deck for the 4th test, looks like india are playing their 12th man
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Got to feel for Dan Lawrence. Clearly YJB is liked a lot by Stokes and McCullum to have kept his spot. Also, I suppose Joe Root has retained his place thanks to his bowling.
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I think Joe Root has retained his place because he's Joe Root and still the best batter we've got. Maybe not on form, but form is temporary. There are certain players you can drop and Bairstow is lucky, but there's no way they'd drop Root just because he's out of form.
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The press are doing what they always do. What did they say before the tour? We will struggle against a very strong team in home conditions. Well, guess what!! TBH the surprise was winning the first one. Plus losing the toss in India has a massive bearing on the game.
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Of all the CBF hot takes I didn't expect to see 'Root's only in cos he bowls'!
I quite liked the shout going round some parts of picking Lawrence for Rehan on the grounds that if the track's as bad as it looks we won't need the extra bowler, but it would have been quite the gamble.
Pitch looks... interesting. If the two sides play as differently as they look, could we see a lot of turning down singles when two different handed players are batting together? India could have a lot more of a left-right split than England. Would love to see some good old village cricket style 'I'll take this end, you take that end' at test level :D
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Looks like Ravi Shastri's comment has sparked something in Root. Good to see him playing his natural game rather than the scoop nonsense. Those tactics can work on fast pitches like in Aus/NZ/SA but definitely not on the sub continent.
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Looks like Ravi Shastri's comment has sparked something in Root. Good to see him playing his natural game rather than the scoop nonsense. Those tactics can work on fast pitches like in Aus/NZ/SA but definitely not on the sub continent.
He better get some wickets now, otherwise he'll only be keeping his place because of his batting! 😆
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Looks like Ravi Shastri's comment has sparked something in Root. Good to see him playing his natural game rather than the scoop nonsense. Those tactics can work on fast pitches like in Aus/NZ/SA but definitely not on the sub continent.
Been no reverse sweeps or hits from England. I presume they don’t feel the pitch is conducive to it.
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Joe Root is so good
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Joe Root is so good
It’s a good job @mo_town isn’t a selector!
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Feels like a sensible next step for this England team, let people play the way that best suits their game and balances the side. Root and Foakes are not guys who naturally go out and whack it just as Duckett and Crawley are not openers who see off 100 balls and take the shine off.
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Of all the CBF hot takes I didn't expect to see 'Root's only in cos he bowls'!
I quite liked the shout going round some parts of picking Lawrence for Rehan on the grounds that if the track's as bad as it looks we won't need the extra bowler, but it would have been quite the gamble.
I seem to remember large swathes of CBF taking much convincing that Dan Lawrence wasn't actually a bowler. (He had taken a few wickets for England Lions with his occasional off-spin.)
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Feels like a sensible next step for this England team, let people play the way that best suits their game and balances the side. Root and Foakes are not guys who naturally go out and whack it just as Duckett and Crawley are not openers who see off 100 balls and take the shine off.
They’ve pretty much alway done it haven’t they? I can ever remember Foakes getting out playing overly aggressively. Root has done a couple of times but I’m not sure that’s would be under direct instructions, maybe more just getting carried away with the vibes 😁
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I reckon Stokes wants them to be positive, but sometimes that doesn't mean whacking it. If Root bats how he generally always has, which isn't slow anyway, others can play their more attacking style and it would actually work really well.
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I do think with Root people fail to appreciate the impact that bowling so many overs will have had on him over the course of this series. He hasn't been at his best (nor have Bairstow and Foakes before this game to be fair, and Stokes has ended upgoing from Brigadier Block to Sergeant Slog in every innings) but there are different types of out of form.
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In the commentary/analysis, they talk about how Root is playing spinners on line, not length. Anything wide of the stumps he is playing off the backfoot, whilst anything straight, he comes forward.
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For those of us endeavouring to resolve issues with form by buying kit, it was pleasing to see Root scoring a hundred after changing from the Masuri Truefit helmet to the t-line model for this test
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For those of us endeavouring to resolve issues with form by buying kit, it was pleasing to see Root scoring a hundred after changing from the Masuri Truefit helmet to the t-line model for this test
And after giving his bat away.
(https://i.ibb.co/Rj8SML9/IMG-1257.png) (https://ibb.co/Drdb63t)
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And after giving his bat away.
(https://i.ibb.co/Rj8SML9/IMG-1257.png) (https://ibb.co/Drdb63t)
I do recall an interview when he was talking about bats saying that he used a short blade long handle set up for a while but switched back to a standard SH set up after a bad run of form
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Bit of glue, that'll be reet!!
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I do recall an interview when he was talking about bats saying that he used a short blade long handle set up for a while but switched back to a standard SH set up after a bad run of form
It was one of the Sky interviews during COVID, I know the one you mean.
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Bash by name Rash by nature. Showed his inexperience there. Hope Jimmy can stick about.
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And after giving his bat away.
(https://i.ibb.co/Rj8SML9/IMG-1257.png) (https://ibb.co/Drdb63t)
Grain monster! Went cross-eyed just counting at this early time in the morning!
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Game is moving forwards quickly......... A 100+ lead on 1st Innings, bowling last on this pitch should set up a possible result.
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It'll be too big for him.
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Game is moving forwards quickly......... A 100+ lead on 1st Innings, bowling last on this pitch should set up a possible result.
Looks like we are going to get a result tomorrow just maybe not the one we hoped for or maybe even expected after Day 2. Good bowling or another poor batting display from England? Few unlucky decisions and dismissals but 145 2nd time round or 85 from the rest other than Crawleys 60 looks poor to me. Questions again about Pope seems to be a once every 20 tests kind of player at the moment, Bairstow, stokes, Foakes all just a bit mediocre currently but let’s see what tomorrow brings
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The (Highly likely now) 3-1 score just reflects the fact that in home conditions India are very difficult to beat. We play interesting cricket, but aren't a great team. Good series though, At least these pitches remove dull draws from the equation.
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Bazball nothing more than delusional copium.
Have England improved under Stokes? Hardly.
Under Root’s captaincy England drew the Ashes at home and lost to India away. Both Australian and Indian sides were stronger.
Under Stokes’ captaincy England drew the Ashes at home and lost to India away. Australian side was much weaker in 2023. This Indian side is one of the weakest in recent years.
So delusional copium leads to much of nothing.
And Ollie Pope is still crap.
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Sorry but crap players don't score 196 against two of India's greatest ever bowlers. Pope is hugely inconsistent but he isn't crap.
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Bazball nothing more than delusional copium.
Have England improved under Stokes? Hardly.
Under Root’s captaincy England drew the Ashes at home and lost to India away. Both Australian and Indian sides were stronger.
Under Stokes’ captaincy England drew the Ashes at home and lost to India away. Australian side was much weaker in 2023. This Indian side is one of the weakest in recent years.
So delusional copium leads to much of nothing.
And Ollie Pope is still crap.
🤔 Hmmmmmm, do we bite? Ok then.
Yeah so with a rookie spin attack, Stokes has marshalled them into winning a test in India and into positions they should have taken advantage of and been level in the series going into the final test. They haven't and need to learn from that. I'd still say that's a success by and large.
They've also done it playing a better style of cricket in the main. They're a work in progress, nobody was claiming they're the finished article but as an England fan, I'm happy with how they're moving forward from where we were.
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Sorry but crap players don't score 196 against two of India's greatest ever bowlers. Pope is hugely inconsistent but he isn't crap.
Cope and seethe
Ollie Pope 16 innings in India
1 fluke innings scored 196
15 other innings averages 16
Shows how poor the CC is when this stiff has been gifted 42 test caps
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🤔 Hmmmmmm, do we bite? Ok then.
Yeah so with a rookie spin attack, Stokes has marshalled them into winning a test in India and into positions they should have taken advantage of and been level in the series going into the final test. They haven't and need to learn from that. I'd still say that's a success by and large.
They've also done it playing a better style of cricket in the main. They're a work in progress, nobody was claiming they're the finished article but as an England fan, I'm happy with how they're moving forward from where we were.
“Inexperienced attack” lmaooo
India were missing Kohli, Pant, Rahul(he was the replacement for both) and Shami
Hit and hoping with Stokes yielded the same results as Root’s captaincy
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“Inexperienced attack” lmaooo
India were missing Kohli, Pant, Rahul(he was the replacement for both) and Shami
Hit and hoping with Stokes yielded the same results as Root’s captaincy
Now I know you're fishing mate 😂
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Good win for India. Great turnaround.
Must be said, Bashir's selection was just brilliant. We have seen so many seasoned spinners get exposed in India but the way he has bowled long spells and got wickets is impressive.
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Great for Bash and Hartley to experience this and to perform as well as they have.
However, we lost this series due to the batting and seasoned pros not standing up - JB, Stokes and Foakes all averaging 20's and I would say Root not at his best until this test.
Shame for the young spinners as they've not really had the runs to work with. However, it's been a stronger performance from england than I expected.
India deservedly in front, but some hope for the future.
Let's go mental for the last test -
Wood and Atkinson in, Lawrence in for JB, Foakes bats at 3 and Pope keeps :)
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This series will go down as the one which unearthed lots of talents. Jaiswal, Sarfaraz, Jurel, Bashir, Hartley.
Also it was good to see Root play a Root-like innings and put all the silly shots away. Classic cricket still has a place in Bazball.
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Hartley is unlikely to play much for Lancashire this season as they have signed Nathan Lyon. That can't be good for his development.
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Cope and seethe
Ollie Pope 16 innings in India
1 fluke innings scored 196
15 other innings averages 16
Shows how poor the CC is when this stiff has been gifted 42 test caps
Oh, the County Championship is getting the blame again is it?
Hartley and Bashir won't even start the season in their county first XIs.
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Oh, the County Championship is getting the blame again is it?
Hartley and Bashir won't even start the season in their county first XIs.
Isn't that more of a reason to blame the County Championship?
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Isn't that more of a reason to blame the County Championship?
The scheduling, maybe? My point was that county cricket can't be that weak if Test cricketers can't get a game.
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Bashir averages 60 with the ball in the CC because it is so weak?
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Perhaps he should consider bowling with the wrong arm or something?
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The scheduling, maybe? My point was that county cricket can't be that weak if Test cricketers can't get a game.
Note a design than a strength issue isn’t it?
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They shoehorn it in around all the other nonsense.
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Wasn’t it something like one win in 17 games under the last regime of root/silverwood?
And the majority of this team are the same players from then
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Top three batters and spin bowling have been long-standing problems.
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I like the positivity points of view offered to take away from this series. For the greater good ahead.
Frustrating England getting into great winning positions and not ramming them home. But the unexpected have performed.
Such a shame Root being the most bazball 4/over player long before bazball came along, felt he needed to go at 8/over. Glad he’s gone back to his natural game.
I hope the players who haven’t got picked yet get a game in the next one. It’s a squad game and might as well give the experience.
But!
I just wonder if England might seriously consider preparing dry, dusty, cracked up, dodgy bouncing pitches at home now too?
Bashir & Hartley could be the new Broad & Anderson?
The seamers seem so fragile currently that spinners could have to bowl the majority of overs.
It would be nice to have 2 great spinners in an England team again. I only hear about the legend of Lock & Laker. So it’s been done before, why not now? Leave the pitch uncovered if it helps, I don’t mind. If England cant bat much longer than 70 overs anyway, might as well try the luck going at 7/over anyway. But at least the away team always has a chance of also being 100/5 for those miracle comebacks or absolute home thrashings.
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If the England management are concerned about bowling opportunities for Bash and Hartley at their clubs, loan them out to other counties to give them some game time and development.
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I just wonder if England might seriously consider preparing dry, dusty, cracked up, dodgy bouncing pitches at home now too?
Is it even possible to produce rank turners in UK? Isnt it all down to the weather conditions? Maybe if UK has a crazy summer like the one couple of years ago.
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I think there is the technology to grow anything these days. Drop in pitch?
Cover the wicket in tents and lights for weeks to dry it out.
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Isn’t a big problem that players can’t play in India first class Ranje trophy for political reasons in our off season as well so we don’t have anywhere to send our spinners for say 2 months in April and May when they are never going to get a county game
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Didn't a few go off to Zimbabwe over the winter and had some success?
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If the England management are concerned about bowling opportunities for Bash and Hartley at their clubs, loan them out to other counties to give them some game time and development.
The England management can't tell the counties what to do. Nor should they be able to.
'Bash'. :D
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Ollie Pope continues to show he should return to his local supermarket to stack shelves:
1, 196, 23, 23, 39, 3, 0, 0, 11
9 innings
296 runs
Average 32.88
Average without the fluke 196 - 12.50
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Ah hit and hoping isn’t working in Dharamsala...
Most of these grifters will be done with test cricket at the end of the next Ashes series.
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The hapless Poms 218 all out.
Stokes a good talker, shame his mouth couldn’t better the results Root achieved under his captaincy…
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What's the definition of stupidity again?
"Doing the same thing again and again, and expecting a different outcome."
Does that mean I'm stupid - hoping again and again that Eng might bat with more responsibility/sensibly according to the pitch/situation, or the Eng batters are, by doing the same again and again, and getting the same returns, but expecting to do better? Tough call.... :D
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The hapless Poms 218 all out.
Stokes a good talker, shame his mouth couldn’t better the results Root achieved under his captaincy…
For an England fan you are scathing of your own team sometimes mate
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For an England fan you are scathing of your own team sometimes mate
I’m literally Australian…but ok
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Stickelback or pike mate ?
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Do wonder if England need to look at the success of picking bowlers to suit conditions and maybe try the same with their batting picks a touch more...
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Looking at the strike rates today, Bairstow apart, it's a bit hard to point the finger at suicidal Bazball batting.
Maybe the Indians are just better than us?
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I’m literally Australian…but ok
I know mate. It's just that you comment more on England than anything or anyone else, so guessed you must have been a fan.
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🤣
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I know mate. It's just that you comment more on England than anything or anyone else, so guessed you must have been a fan.
Well it’s an English forum and no one seemed to care about the ongoing New Zealand/Australia series…
Don’t worry I’ll be gone soon enough :D
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This forum could do with more ANZAC spark/participation/feedback. I wish that CricketBatReviewer guy would join, he'd have a field day. We get some Australian imports in the US and I'd love to know what to make of them.
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Well it’s an English forum and no one seemed to care about the ongoing New Zealand/Australia series…
Don’t worry I’ll be gone soon enough :D
Tbf, we don't really care about the Aussies unless it's the Ashes. Nice to know you boys can't get us poms out of your heads tho! 😆
Like him or not, rate him or not, this was a nice moment today for Bairstow....
https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4OFo__taQ-/?igsh=ZXQ5Z3g2cXMxa2sz (https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4OFo__taQ-/?igsh=ZXQ5Z3g2cXMxa2sz)
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Well it’s an English forum and no one seemed to care about the ongoing New Zealand/Australia series…
Don’t worry I’ll be gone soon enough :D
Now you know how us Scottish cricket fans feel, not a peep about our shambolic double loss to Canada either 😂
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Now you know how us Scottish cricket fans feel, not a peep about our shambolic double loss to Canada either 😂
The hapless Scots lose twice to Canada.
Berrington a good talker, shame his mouth couldn�t better the results Coetzer achieved under his captaincy.
Sorted it for u @Jimbo 😁
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The hapless Scots lose twice to Canada.
Berrington a good talker, shame his mouth couldn�t better the results Coetzer achieved under his captaincy.
Sorted it for u @Jimbo 😁
😂 Maybe we just need better PR and a chirpier captain, not sure the dour Scottish accent does any favours.
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Fresh copium from Jeetan Patel deeming being 255 runs behind “a top effort”.
Seriously what a fudging moron…
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Fresh copium from Jeetan Patel deeming being 255 runs behind “a top effort”.
Seriously what a fudging moron…
That was a specific comment about a spinner who's 20, played 8 FC games and has the shits, taking 4-170 vs some of the best players of spin going, but don't let that stand in the way of your England obsession :D
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India pummelled England yet again. Beautiful to see.
“Stokes is a serial winner” chin up old boy 4 test losses in a row India ps that never happened under Root’s captaincy.
Speaking of Root he stat padded a meaningless 80 odd to go with the stat padded century in Ranchi. Once again Root in, what is described as a “big away series”, Root can’t dominate.
For you delusional ones:
Root 3 series in Australia and 3 series in India - never scored multiple hundreds in any of those series. Heck the stat padder can’t even score a hundred in Australia.
Root is a stat padder. Averages and meaningless 100s/50s are his motivation.
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Job done!.....everyone's talking about Bazball.
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India pummelled England yet again. Beautiful to see.
“Stokes is a serial winner” chin up old boy 4 test losses in a row India ps that never happened under Root’s captaincy.
Speaking of Root he stat padded a meaningless 80 odd to go with the stat padded century in Ranchi. Once again Root in, what is described as a “big away series”, Root can’t dominate.
For you delusional ones:
Root 3 series in Australia and 3 series in India - never scored multiple hundreds in any of those series. Heck the stat padder can’t even score a hundred in Australia.
Root is a stat padder. Averages and meaningless 100s/50s are his motivation.
😂
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A special mention for Ollie “supermarket shelf stacker” Pope
1, 196, 23, 23, 39, 3, 0, 0, 11, 19
315 runs
Average 31.5
Aside the fluke century, average 13.22
43 tests
Average 34.04
Remove that benefit match 205 against Ireland
42 tests
Average 31.63
Truly pathetic
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Thor your correct everything you says is correct.
Dogs have days and fishermen have rods.
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A special mention for Ollie “supermarket shelf stacker” Pope
1, 196, 23, 23, 39, 3, 0, 0, 11, 19
315 runs
Average 31.5
Aside the fluke century, average 13.22
43 tests
Average 34.04
Remove that benefit match 205 against Ireland
42 tests
Average 31.63
Truly pathetic
Everyone loves a bit of root maths
Pope averages 40 at 3 which isn't bad.
He scored a match winning 196, which was breathtaking.
Just depends how you look at things.
India were much better, and our middle order was horrific.
Our spinners did manfully given how little cricket they have played.
Learn a bit, try to bat for 100 plus overs and we will win games.
The opening batters did significantly better ham expected.
Ashwin is a master.
Separately if this name calling carries on I will suspend membership to the forum. There is no need for it.
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I like Pope that much I got one of his bats
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Everyone loves a bit of root maths
Pope averages 40 at 3 which isn't bad.
He scored a match winning 196, which was breathtaking.
Just depends how you look at things.
India were much better, and our middle order was horrific.
Our spinners did manfully given how little cricket they have played.
Learn a bit, try to bat for 100 plus overs and we will win games.
The opening batters did significantly better ham expected.
Ashwin is a master.
Separately if this name calling carries on I will suspend membership to the forum. There is no need for it.
Oh you trying to pretend the innings against Ireland was a real test match?
Pope, against actual test playing sides, averages 36 at number 3. Bang average.
Pope’s “breathtaking” 196 featured 70 uncontrolled shots as per the metric used. So it was brainless hit and hoping. On that day the man above said “ok Ollie you have no talent but I’ll allow you a fluke innings”.
Averaging 13 in the subsequent 9 other innings shows the lack of skill Pope has
Let’s stick with the stats they don’t lie.
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That does assume that Pope won't improve in the foreseeable future. He's young enough to grow into the role and become a staple of the top order.
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Wow let pope make a career for England based on he could improve over next ten years
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That does assume that Pope won't improve in the foreseeable future. He's young enough to grow into the role and become a staple of the top order.
I really wanted him to build a career at 3 as he looks so good when he gets going but I suspect he may to have move down the order to have a long term international future. Suspect Brook will be gunning for 4 when Root retires, so that leaves 5/6 as options for Pope long term.
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I really wanted him to build a career at 3 as he looks so good when he gets going but I suspect he may to have move down the order to have a long term international future. Suspect Brook will be gunning for 4 when Root retires, so that leaves 5/6 as options for Pope long term.
Just looks too frantic at 3 sometimes maybe. I've never been convinced by him tbh, but he's obviously not complete garbage if he's made the scores he has at test level. Although like Root, to be considered any good at all he'll have to do it in Australia obviously! 😉
We got into good positions on this tour, but let things slip at crucial times. Whether that's just because we're not good enough at those times under pressure generally, or just whether we're not good enough to compete with India in their back yard, I'm not sure. India in India is always gonna be a tough ask, they're a class act. I didn't even give us a chance of a test win before the series.