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[Bulldog Cricket]

For sure Dave no doubt.

[Bulldog Cricket]

I'm not sure I agree with this. I'm not saying its right but men's cricket is the top end of the sport, and test match players would not be tested in the womens game as much as the other way around. The Sarah Taylor thing is almost like the next step, whereas for men it would not be.

I think Dave's point is, if a male player was looking to play county cricket but was not good enough to play for the men could he go and play for a women's county side. I know the answer but it would be the next step for him.

I think it's great by the way that she might get a game.

[Nickauger]

I think my main problem with this, is that she would do a darn sight better if she were to make a success in somewhere like the WEPL or another strong ECB prem, then no-one can argue that she is good enough. Just think its a bit of a publicity stunt, she should (and any other woman, if good enough) have the chance to prove herself against whoever she wishes. THis outdated view of 'I'd be too scared to bounce her' is complete chauvenistic bs imo, as I bet she'd a) smack me a long way out of the ground, and b) probably has a better pair of hands than most too!

[joeljonno]

I think Dave's point is, if a male player was looking to play county cricket but was not good enough to play for the men could he go and play for a women's county side. I know the answer but it would be the next step for him.

I think it's great by the way that she might get a game.

Technically, as Taylor's an international, would the next step down for the guy would be the England women's team?

[gdb19]

I bowled at woman last year and got her out. She did take me for 6 runs, mostly edged through gully. That's more than most of the men managed in the entire season. I'm not proud, I'll take any wicket I can get. Must be nice to be fussy like Leo lol

I bowled at a woman last season and couldn't get her out - more to the point I get the feeling she thought I was rubbish by the way she played back my attempted quicker (ok marginally quicker than very slow) ball.

I did get revenge by hitting her for two big sixes over cow corner but only after she'd got a couple of our lads out. I think she plays regularly and has taken quite a few wickets, she bowled ok and got a bit of swing.

http://telecomsportscc.play-cricket.com/scoreboard/scorecard.asp?id=11457945

I've absolutely no issue with Sarah Taylor playing, if she's good enough and does well then its great. As for not wanting to bounce her if she's good enough to play at that level then all's fair. I'm fair and quite friendly (most of the time) on a cricket pitch and I'd never bounce someone who didn't appear to be capable of handling it (actually I'd never bounce anyone as I'm not quick enough to get it head high) but the county game is different and its professional sport so anything goes.

[RossViper]

This is BS.

I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.

Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.

Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....

I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years???  Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5

 
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.

Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.

Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html


A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,

> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.


Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???


Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)









 

[Nickauger]

This is BS.

I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.

Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.

Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....

I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years???  Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5

 
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.

Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.

Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html


A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,

> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.


Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???


Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)

Well said mate! Don't 100% agree with it but good argument nonetheless!

[Jaymo]

County Mens 2nd X1 cricket is a better standard than Womans international standard.

[joeljonno]

This is BS.

I'm sorry, but I think that everyone is saying how great it is and all that, which is probably true, but it's not really a good thing. Not really.

Look, Sarah Taylor might be good enough or not. Time will tell. I have never seen a woman yet good enough to play first class cricket, or second class cricket, or even be a decent player in a PL - sorry but that does not make me a sexiest or misogynist.

Taylor may well be good enough.... Will she play first class cricket? No way. Sorry but that just the truth. I doubt it. Here's (at least one reason) why....

I might be wrong with this but; do England's Women top players get employed as a full time job - i.e. is she a professional? Does she net and train with pro. coaches all year round, has she been touring around the world playing cricket for a few years???  Lets assuming yes. Sussex are saying that she might just be good enough if they are short, well she might just fill in a gap - sort of at short notice like - Hardly a vote of confidence in her abilities... and it looks like they are not even saying that!

http://www.ecb.co.uk/news/womens/england-women-and-international/taylor,320543,EN.html?Pf=com.otherobjects.cms.model.structure.Folder-L-5

 
Anyway, ..... what about the young lad that's at school or colleague and nets once a week, surly he's a better shout? He might not do as well in a few games - but then again he might go on to play first class cricket.

Second team cricket is poor these days, and I wish her all the luck, its just a shame that there no better options, which i find quite hard to belive, and very sad if true.

Aside from this particular case, I can't see women cutting it in the mens games, the power gap is just too much, and to my earlier point, that's why there are no other sports where men play directly against women. Will womens cricket take off in it own right - again that seems unlikely, but you never know.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-life/9803115/Why-male-cricketers-will-thwart-Sarah-Taylors-sporting-dream.html


A few closing thoughts, before I get the inevitable lambasting,

> The women's game uses a lighter ball, and shorter boundaries.
> The fastest women bowlers in the world are comfortably sub 80mph (even with a ligher ball!)
> The fastest men in the world are comfortably 90mph+.
> The average women's (seam) bowler in county cricket bowls at about the same pace as a 14/15 year old boy.


Just because Leo doesn't want to hurt a woman does not make him a) Macho, b)Sexiest c) A bad person... Just because he see things differently doesn't mean you should rubbish his opinion... I'm guessing you'd all join in in sledging a women cricketer as well???


Just saying dude, have fun.... its just a game ;-)


 

The first link suggests that if ST and Sussex and the ECB agrees and ST then trains with the 2s and then is appraised that she is good enough and then both junior wks are unavailable due to school, then she might get a game.

Seems a lot to go through for the potential of the odd game and yet there are still people thinking it's not a good idea. Why try and get a 14 year old who will also still be at school. It just seems sensible to use available assets if they come up to scratch in practice.

[RightArmRapid]

To decide not to bowl fast is discrimination on the basis og sex. It doesn't make him a bad person but it is sexist to think that way. Wish sufficient training the power gap can be bridged. It's cricket for god sake half of the players are wusses (with regards to power) not a good comparison when compared to the likes of rugby or basketball where the gulf in strength when comparing the male and female sides of the sport. If she tries and fails then at least she had her chance but I don't think it should be blocked entirely.

[Howzat]

Wish sufficient training the power gap can be bridged.

It's pretty much physiologically impossible!

Oh and agree with that Times article completely, the reporter sums up nicely what I have been attempting to put across:

A massive part of their tactics is physical intimidation, i.e. bowling fast and so that it bounces towards the head or chest. If she hits a bowler for a boundary then they might want to bowl a 'bouncer' at her in normal circumstances, but the vast majority of them are just not going to want to injure a woman, (a nice touch of benevolent sexism) so it places the other players in a tough situation.

[RightArmRapid]

It's pretty much physiologically impossible!

Nah, a vast amount of cricketers are relatively weak. In cricket at least the power gap can be bridged through training. At least in some cases (Fast bowlers not included).

[RightArmRapid]

No offence to any of the lads here but serena williams would probably kick 95% of our butts.

[alba caerulea]

I don't agree that the power gap can be bridged through training. It is impossible, tell me one sport where the women's world record is better than the men's at a given event. It doesn't happen. Human biology doesn't allow it

The point is that not all great batters are muscle men. Sunil Gavaskar was built like a shrew and yet stood up to the West Indian quicks as well as anyone.

I also don't agree that Serena would beat 95% of people on here. I think she'd beat everyone. Without dropping a game

[RightArmRapid]

I don't agree that the power gap can be bridged through training. It is impossible, tell me one sport where the women's world record is better than the men's at a given event. It doesn't happen. Human biology doesn't allow it

The point is that not all great batters are muscle men. Sunil Gavaskar was built like a shrew and yet stood up to the West Indian quicks as well as anyone.

I also don't agree that Serena would beat 95% of people on here. I think she'd beat everyone. Without dropping a game

This is true within power sports where competitiors must be very strong.bin these cases the power gap cannoy be bridged, point i am making is if you look at a female powerlifter, she will be weaker than a male powerlifter but stronger than say a male tennis player or cricketer. Cricket isn't a power sport and the majority of men playing it aren't necessarily very strong. What i am trying to say is in the case of cricket the power gap doesn't have to be all that large and can be bridged through hardcore training (with the exclusion of fast bowling).